| rick_h | waldo323: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/753052/strip-html-from-strings-in-python | 00:27 |
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| jrwren | any pythonists notice urandom gone from os module after upgrading to precise (I think that is what did it) ? | 01:28 |
| jrwren | bah, just had to redo virtualenv :( | 01:32 |
| jrwren | not nearly as nice as rvm | 01:32 |
| jrwren | but still better than nothing. | 01:32 |
| snap-l | Oh FFS | 03:42 |
| snap-l | rick_h: I think I figured out the problem | 03:42 |
| snap-l | the redirect that I'm doing is somehow being treated as ASCII, not unicode. | 03:43 |
| snap-l | That's why nosetests is working | 03:43 |
| snap-l | and why the redirect fails | 03:43 |
| rick_h | snap-l: wtf, terminal not unicode? does it even hit your terminal when you do a redirect? | 10:50 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: http://blog.brightbox.co.uk/posts/next-generation-ruby-packages-for-ubuntu | 11:13 |
| snap-l | rick_h: I have NFC why the redirect was causing the problem | 11:40 |
| snap-l | http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2007-February/037279.html | 11:41 |
| snap-l | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4545661/unicodedecodeerror-when-redirecting-to-file | 11:43 |
| rick_h | snap-l: guess it's time to add a -o flag to your script | 11:47 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Nah, it's an easy fix to wrap stdout. | 11:48 |
| snap-l | most of the time I don't need it redirected, so that's why it never came up | 11:48 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Thank you very much for looking into this last night, though. I guess I need to learn more about 2.x's unicode support. | 11:51 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, definitely. You'll hit it a lot at work as you work with things | 11:51 |
| rick_h | morpace does a significant amount of spanish/chinese stuff that'll hit unicode issues | 11:51 |
| rick_h | check out qmail sometime. It's got to handle unicode on the db side, in the file uploads, etc | 11:52 |
| rick_h | ugh | 11:52 |
| brousch | just move it all to python3 | 11:53 |
| rick_h | now you're talking! | 11:53 |
| rick_h | beat me to my first python3 code | 11:54 |
| brousch | really? | 11:56 |
| brousch | you still haven't used it? | 11:56 |
| rick_h | brousch: just for other people's packagse I've had to hack with/do releases for | 11:56 |
| rick_h | brousch: but no, I don't have a script in my toolbox with #!/usr/bin/env python3 | 11:56 |
| brousch | pyramid is on py3. you have no excuse | 11:56 |
| rick_h | brousch: sure I do | 11:56 |
| rick_h | https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/requirements.txt | 11:56 |
| brousch | geez | 11:57 |
| rick_h | bookie is bigger than it seems :) | 11:57 |
| brousch | break out all requirements without py3 into their own oldcrap.py service | 11:58 |
| rick_h | heh, but then you coudln't build/serve JS files, do readable parsing, encrypt passwords, do sqlalchemy migrations, etc | 11:59 |
| rick_h | it's down to a handfull of packages though | 12:00 |
| rick_h | I could look at making the new readable service thing python3 except the readable library isn't python3 and heroku doesn't support it | 12:01 |
| rick_h | damn, backup to nas still going. 38hrs and running | 12:02 |
| rick_h | almost up to 600GB...damn slow thing | 12:02 |
| brousch | that's right, heroku doesn't have it yet. GAE either | 12:02 |
| brousch | i think webfaction does, but they're not free | 12:03 |
| snap-l | I have used the word Goose-greaser in a work e-mail | 12:26 |
| brousch | do you work on a pultry farm? | 12:27 |
| brousch | or a poultry farm? | 12:27 |
| rick_h | wow, I'm a little bit dying to know how you fit that into something | 12:28 |
| brousch | yeah, snap-l, how did you fit a greased goose into something? and into what did you fit it? | 12:29 |
| rick_h | and did it fit better with the greasing? | 12:29 |
| brousch | and what did you use as grease? | 12:30 |
| snap-l | It's working off of a cooking analogy that was given to me | 12:31 |
| snap-l | ie: it's easier to have 10 cooks get 1/10th of the flour you need than for 10 cooks to spread crisco on a goose. | 12:31 |
| snap-l | It's like the analogy equivalant of manna from heaven. | 12:32 |
| rick_h | ummm, wow | 12:32 |
| rick_h | ugh, I don't feel like working today | 12:32 |
| brousch | seems like a 10 man goose greasing would go quickly | 12:32 |
| rick_h | I just want to hack on my own code | 12:32 |
| brousch | rick_h: that makes for a long day | 12:36 |
| rick_h | brousch: yea, well had to start my day by rolling back a code change and getting two new sets of code reviews to fix more stuff so ugh | 12:37 |
| brousch | code reviews sound incredibly boring | 12:37 |
| rick_h | they're actually pretty good | 12:37 |
| rick_h | http://www.daniweb.com/software-development/news/420497/why-software-engineer-is-officially-americas-best-job | 12:51 |
| rick_h | didn't realize that broadcaster and butcher were such bad gigs | 12:52 |
| snap-l | Broadcasters love to bitch | 12:55 |
| snap-l | frankly I wouldn't want a job as a broadcaster, though. Too much pressure to operform, and the constant looming threat that your job may evaporate overnight | 12:55 |
| snap-l | especially now that "traditional media" is getting supplanted. | 12:56 |
| snap-l | My friend that worked on West Michigan radio is quite happy working on car restoration | 12:57 |
| snap-l | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/demotivational-posters-history.jpg | 14:34 |
| rick_h | ok, I'm not into windows bashing atm, but that's kind of funny | 14:35 |
| brousch | rick_h: then you're not using it enough ;) | 14:44 |
| rick_h | brousch: I never use it! | 14:48 |
| brousch | see, that's why you have no urge to bash it | 14:48 |
| rick_h | works for me :) | 14:48 |
| brousch | what does your wife use? | 14:49 |
| rick_h | brousch: she uses windows and ubuntu | 14:58 |
| rick_h | but I've gotten myself out of most involvement | 14:59 |
| brousch | me too. then she went 6 months without updating and caught something | 14:59 |
| brousch | now the regular beatings will begin again | 14:59 |
| rick_h | heh | 14:59 |
| jrwren | lol @ caught something. | 15:10 |
| brousch | penguicon should just say it's an unconference | 16:11 |
| greg-g | brousch: +1 | 16:11 |
| greg-g | an unconference with the planning done before hand, quasi-unconference | 16:12 |
| rick_h | heh | 16:12 |
| brousch | well then they just need to set the date and location and not worry about talks | 16:17 |
| rick_h | I don't know how well that works for multi-day things | 16:17 |
| rick_h | which day do I show up, how long do I stay. I think unconference would work best with a limited scope | 16:18 |
| _stink_ | yeah, i think they have a happy medium | 16:18 |
| _stink_ | i have to say i'm encouraged by the schedule so far | 16:18 |
| _stink_ | more like ~4 years ago | 16:18 |
| brousch | rick_h: you come all days and stay the whole time | 16:19 |
| rick_h | brousch: ummm, nope | 16:19 |
| brousch | barcampify it | 16:19 |
| snap-l | Nah, I think it needs the scheduling | 16:21 |
| snap-l | I mean, would ou want a flashmob of furries in the middle of your ipv6 talk? | 16:21 |
| snap-l | That would not be a route to happiness. | 16:21 |
| * waldo323_ shudders... furries | 16:22 | |
| waldo323_ | isn't notacon planned more like an unconference? | 16:22 |
| greg-g | ipv6 talk... route to happiness, lol | 16:22 |
| _stink_ | snap-l++ | 16:23 |
| waldo323_ | I think we'd be open to having portions of penguicon setup for open tech talks, not sure how barcamp works /me goes to google | 16:25 |
| waldo323_ | hmm if there is space when would we want a barcamp event and for how long? and what would we need? | 16:27 |
| brousch | no talks scheduled before the conference. you have a grid of time slots and rooms and people sign up as they go | 16:27 |
| rick_h | I think that'd be a cool way to do the tech track. Make it a bit split of space. Show up with a board and 'tracks' for things like networking, hacker, development or something nad just fill the board/do it | 16:28 |
| brousch | you'd to make sure the rooms you pick for tech have projectors | 16:29 |
| rick_h | by track, makers bring real crap | 16:29 |
| rick_h | if you're not showing code just talk, be engaging | 16:29 |
| rick_h | make all the agile folks do their presenations without their pretty images on slides | 16:30 |
| waldo323_ | today is cutoff for the program book but we could still potentially add barcamp slots | 16:30 |
| rick_h | naw, wouldn't mess with this year | 16:30 |
| waldo323_ | ok | 16:30 |
| rick_h | but I wonder if it would help the tech track next year, unconference within a conference | 16:31 |
| waldo323_ | i like it | 16:31 |
| rick_h | I might even be willing to help with something like that if it was limited scope. Kind of a Sat for your tech needs thing | 16:31 |
| snap-l | Just got a CD from INdia | 16:33 |
| waldo323_ | sat as in satellite? | 16:34 |
| rick_h | for metalcast? | 16:34 |
| rick_h | waldo323_: Sat as in saturday | 16:34 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yep | 16:34 |
| rick_h | e.g. not Fri-Sun all day | 16:34 |
| waldo323_ | ah | 16:34 |
| snap-l | http://burnthewater.bandcamp.com/ | 16:35 |
| waldo323_ | that would be great | 16:35 |
| rick_h | cool snap-l | 16:35 |
| snap-l | Yeah, loving this global community we have | 16:36 |
| snap-l | "This EP was recorded using a 10$ mic, 120$ guitar, a cheap ZOOM processor onto a (really old) Celeron pc. So all donations to this EP directly goes to the artist for funding his upcoming projects/albums." | 16:36 |
| snap-l | DUde charged $2 for the disc | 16:36 |
| snap-l | granted, it's a CD-R, but still, I'm impressed. | 16:37 |
| rick_h | 061483 | 16:37 |
| snap-l | BINGO! | 16:37 |
| rick_h | damn | 16:37 |
| snap-l | ;) | 16:37 |
| rick_h | been doing so good lately at not hitting it | 16:37 |
| waldo323_ | is there any bad blood between foocamp and barcamp? | 16:54 |
| brousch | does foocamp still exist? | 16:54 |
| waldo323_ | not sure, doesn't look like it but i wanted to know more than the websites are saying if it was known | 16:57 |
| waldo323_ | esp if we were able to get someone from o'reilly | 16:58 |
| waldo323_ | seemed like there may or may not be from http://barcamp.org/w/page/402874/FooCamp | 16:59 |
| brousch | i haven't heard of any bad blood. heck o'reilly was a sponsor at barcampgr | 17:00 |
| snap-l | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120410/07284618438/open-textbook-startup-sued-allegedly-copying-distinctive-selection-arrangement-presentation-facts-existing-titles.shtml <- Fuck Pearson, FUck Cengage, and Fuck Macmillian. | 17:00 |
| waldo323_ | ok cool | 17:00 |
| waldo323_ | no to snap-l's | 17:01 |
| waldo323_ | er the fact that its happening anyway... opentextbook shouldn't be bogged down with that icky-ness | 17:02 |
| rick_h | it is a little bit cheesy | 17:03 |
| greg-g | I agree with the fsck statements, but this case is a bit weird and I'm not sure what is goign to happen | 17:05 |
| greg-g | it will have repurcussions which ever way it goes | 17:05 |
| llua | :| | 17:06 |
| snap-l | greg-g: This is the same look and feel bullshit that Apple did in the 1980s with the macintosh | 17:12 |
| snap-l | IT's the presentation of information | 17:12 |
| greg-g | kind of | 17:12 |
| greg-g | except they say directly: we take their content, and find replacements for everything, and repackage it as a repalcement book | 17:12 |
| snap-l | greg-g: and they haven't sued every other publisher? :) | 17:14 |
| greg-g | :) | 17:15 |
| greg-g | publishers advertise how their stuff is unique and cutting edge | 17:15 |
| greg-g | boundless says it is a replacement aligning to the same content | 17:15 |
| greg-g | basically, the publishers could have chosen to sue Open.Michigan for doing similar things (re-creating illustrations in our OER) but they chose to go after the one that has A) the worst visuals (ie: how the judge and public will see them, and how easy it'll be to make them look bad, I mean, for fucks sake, the CEO's headshot includes a 4 inch pop'ed collar!) and B) they can get statutory damanges from boundless, not so for UMich | 17:17 |
| snap-l | This and the SOPA stuff have sealed it for me | 17:18 |
| snap-l | They are decidedly against that which they stand for | 17:18 |
| greg-g | what do they stand for? | 17:18 |
| greg-g | they stand for profit making, that is all | 17:19 |
| greg-g | they choose to do it by selling stuff to schools | 17:19 |
| snap-l | Freedom of expression | 17:19 |
| snap-l | learning | 17:19 |
| greg-g | where does it say that? | 17:19 |
| snap-l | They're a publisher | 17:19 |
| greg-g | and.... | 17:19 |
| snap-l | if there's no freedom of speech, they don't exist. | 17:19 |
| greg-g | publishers started out as the mouth peice of the monarchy | 17:20 |
| greg-g | think that publishers have some sort of freedom is a thing which only existed in the US after we kicked the brits butts | 17:20 |
| greg-g | and then, we were considered pirates | 17:20 |
| greg-g | heh | 17:20 |
| greg-g | the statute of anne, the first law governing the making of copies (ie: copyright law) was a law that gave monopolies to the publishers that the queen liked. If the queen didn't like them, she chose not to give them the ability to print. | 17:22 |
| greg-g | (that's just your factoid of the day re copyright ;) ) | 17:22 |
| greg-g | so, snap-l, I would love to think that today's publishers stand for something that could be considered an "ideal" but I have become EXTREMELY jadded recently and see that any corporation is only out for one thing: profit. If it doesn't make them profit, they don't do it, nevermind if there is some other higher meaning. | 17:30 |
| greg-g | snap-l: just saying: sorry if I came across in any way other than "publishers are only out for money, ideals don't mean anything to them, thus, this lawsuit is perfectly logical for them" | 17:31 |
| snap-l | There are publishers that don't act like assclowns | 17:31 |
| snap-l | GOod publishers | 17:31 |
| snap-l | and I want to support that | 17:31 |
| snap-l | and tell the asshats where they can go | 17:31 |
| brousch | they only act nice to sucker in the freetards | 17:32 |
| greg-g | right, but I don't think O'Reilly/whoever would be terribly happy if someone made a service that purported to be making replacement books based on their structure :/ | 17:32 |
| greg-g | brousch: I didn't want to say it.... ;) | 17:32 |
| brousch | it's only logical | 17:33 |
| greg-g | brousch: but that elludes to something that I've unfortunately used: the business case for opennes. Subsuming the ethical case with cold hard economics :) | 17:33 |
| brousch | well, a business is in business to make money. if they weren't, they'd be a nonprofit | 17:35 |
| greg-g | right | 17:35 |
| brousch | and suddenly i understand apple | 17:35 |
| greg-g | ? | 17:35 |
| brousch | they exist to make money, not to make users happy | 17:37 |
| greg-g | right | 17:37 |
| greg-g | this is news? | 17:37 |
| brousch | i haven't put much thought into it | 17:38 |
| greg-g | they make addictive products and sell them in a way only cults could love, which is great to make money | 17:38 |
| rick_h | I don't want to be the bad guy, but if I setup a class I earned a living teaching, and someone copied the class structure, notes, order, and offered it next door...I'm not sure I'd be a happy camper either | 17:38 |
| greg-g | I really think I see similarities between Apple conferences and MLM/Pyramid Scheme conferences | 17:38 |
| brousch | rick_h: for free! | 17:39 |
| greg-g | rick_h: totally understand. But there is this concept in (C)-law that is referred to the "idea/expression divide" which basically just states that the only thing that is protected/restricted by copyright is the expression, not the underlying idea. | 17:39 |
| rick_h | greg-g: yea, I understand. And the fact that publishers have a history that make people cranky with them to start doesn't help | 17:40 |
| greg-g | if there wasn't that divide, Wikipedia couln't have existed because someone, somewhere, had already written about all those topics | 17:40 |
| rick_h | but that's why I say it's a but slimy vs illegal | 17:40 |
| snap-l | rick_h: You have no idea how education works, and how many teachers yoink things. :) | 17:40 |
| greg-g | rick_h: /me nods | 17:40 |
| snap-l | and how many educators believe they're not bound by copyright | 17:40 |
| greg-g | heh, yeah, yoinking happens everywhere ;) | 17:40 |
| rick_h | snap-l: I have an idea or three, but I find it too easy to put the thing in terms I could agre with them with | 17:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h: AS a publisher who cares about selling books, I'd be pissed | 17:41 |
| snap-l | as a publisher who cares about education, I'd be flattered. | 17:41 |
| snap-l | Guarantee you, if you took 5 intro to blah books, they'd all look extremely similar | 17:42 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, but take it away from books. I make a bike part that makes bikes a little bit safer. Someone comes along and gives away a version that's close, free (cause safety is deserved by all) and .0125" smaller than mine so it's not a direct copy | 17:42 |
| snap-l | and if this case succeeds, it'll have far-reaching effects on trade dress | 17:42 |
| snap-l | rick_h: And that's where patents come in | 17:42 |
| snap-l | which don't apply to ideas, just to manufacturing | 17:43 |
| rick_h | yea, I guess, but the layout/structure/order/visuals/etc of a book meant to teach is a bit more than an idea | 17:43 |
| rick_h | and the reason they can copy it is because it's manufactured and put on shelves | 17:43 |
| snap-l | Back to books: if someone decided that the D&D monster manual was some form of copyrightable trade dress (Stats, picture, description) there'd be a lot of crying | 17:43 |
| snap-l | Classes follow a certain flow. You'd be hard pressed to learn about advanced physics without first learning about force / motion | 17:45 |
| greg-g | oh no, we made the jump to bike analogies while I wasn't looking! | 17:46 |
| greg-g | ;) | 17:47 |
| brousch | wtf happened to cars? | 17:47 |
| snap-l | Granted there may be some extreme similarities between the two books, but frankly this is ridiculous | 17:47 |
| rick_h | greg-g: bwuhahaha | 17:47 |
| greg-g | brousch: apparently rick_h is now a hippie too :) | 17:47 |
| rick_h | brousch: didn't you hear, the auto industry is dead | 17:47 |
| greg-g | haha | 17:47 |
| snap-l | It's a text book. There's going to be similarities | 17:47 |
| rick_h | hey, I almost bike more than ride in the car these days | 17:47 |
| greg-g | rick_h: NICE! | 17:47 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, but this isn't *some* it's *copying* | 17:48 |
| greg-g | ... the idea not the expression, but yeah | 17:48 |
| snap-l | "It's a desktop metaphor. Clearly it's Apple's copyrighted material" | 17:48 |
| greg-g | lemme find some good examples from Open.Michigan | 17:48 |
| greg-g | lemme finish this important email first. :) | 17:49 |
| rick_h | heh, no work! | 17:49 |
| snap-l | greg-g: This is not important. :) | 17:49 |
| brousch | i think greg-g actually gets paid for this now | 17:51 |
| brousch | "muggle education" or something | 17:51 |
| brousch | hm, this looks pretty nice http://semantic.gs/ | 17:58 |
| brousch | i hate grids where i have grid info in my divs | 17:59 |
| rick_h | not flexible width...die in a fie | 18:00 |
| rick_h | fire that is | 18:01 |
| brousch | it can be fluid | 18:01 |
| rick_h | ok, nvm my bad for quick read | 18:01 |
| brousch | @total-width: 100%; // Switch from pixels to percentages | 18:01 |
| greg-g | https://open.umich.edu/wiki/Casebook | 18:02 |
| greg-g | see the Charts, Graphs, Scietific Images, Chemical Structures, etc sections | 18:02 |
| * greg-g had a hand in that https://open.umich.edu/wiki/index.php?title=Casebook&action=history | 18:03 | |
| rick_h | greg-g: that's interesting | 18:05 |
| greg-g | it'll break you mind wrt how you think about copyright and content if you let it :) | 18:08 |
| rick_h | greg-g's motto https://twitter.com/#!/hadleybeeman/status/190093792366440448 | 18:08 |
| rick_h | greg-g: yea, my argument is totallythe whole "how I *feel* about this ethically" vs legally | 18:09 |
| greg-g | rick_h: lol | 18:09 |
| greg-g | rick_h: and I respect that, but just know that when I push back or give hypotheticals to try and poke holes in the lack of consistency... just remember that tweet :P | 18:10 |
| rick_h | :) | 18:10 |
| jrwren | greg-g: i prefer to let Free Culture break my mind on those topics, tyvm | 18:11 |
| greg-g | jrwren: to each their own ;) | 18:11 |
| greg-g | honestly, since this channel isn't publicly logged anymore, I'm surprised we were sent a nastry gram just because of that wiki page | 18:12 |
| greg-g | s/were/weren't/ | 18:12 |
| jrwren | oh? | 18:12 |
| * _stink_ posts all his logs | 18:12 | |
| greg-g | yeah, I mean, it is backed up by court cases that support our arguments, but, that page represents the very thing which boundless is being sued over | 18:13 |
| jrwren | greg-g: you mean just linking that page? | 18:13 |
| snap-l | This channel is logged | 18:13 |
| greg-g | jrwren: rather, the stated policy (-ish) of Open.Michigan | 18:14 |
| greg-g | snap-l: publicly? | 18:14 |
| greg-g | oh, hey, ubuntulo12 is here | 18:14 |
| snap-l | ubuntu-mi is logged | 18:14 |
| brousch | ah, crap. there goes my political career | 18:14 |
| greg-g | I thought he left | 18:14 |
| snap-l | Yeah, was fixed near the begining of the year. | 18:14 |
| greg-g | dangit | 18:14 |
| snap-l | I sent you all a memo | 18:14 |
| greg-g | you know i don't read memos | 18:15 |
| snap-l | ergo... | 18:15 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:15 |
| greg-g | heh, well then http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/11/%23ubuntu-us-mi.txt | 18:15 |
| snap-l | Not following where we'd get flamed, though | 18:21 |
| greg-g | we? sorry, bad grammer/punctuation on my part. I meant: I'll say this in here since we're no longer logged: surprised we (Open.Michigan) wasn't sent a nastrygram for just the existence of that page (and examples of where we published content based on its assumptions/assertions) | 18:25 |
| rick_h | ah, that makes more sense | 18:25 |
| * greg-g goes back to grammar skul | 18:25 | |
| jrwren | lol | 18:27 |
| * jrwren puts greg-g in the english grammer slammer | 18:27 | |
| _stink_ | slammar? | 18:27 |
| jrwren | and you'll get a C! | 18:29 |
| jrwren | greg-g: that page only confuses me. | 18:31 |
| jrwren | e.g. on the michigan seal. | 18:32 |
| jrwren | In addition, it is a creative piece of expression, although as a government work, it is not protected by copyright law. | 18:32 |
| jrwren | but by that standard, every professors publication is a government work. | 18:33 |
| jrwren | yet the are (c) and published by journals. | 18:33 |
| greg-g | jrwren: you're my source of understanding corporations/free market: how does the last sentence in this article make logical sense: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/04/doj-terms-settlement-ebook/ | 18:34 |
| greg-g | jrwren: state gov != fed gov. Only fed gov't work (some exceptions) is not restricted by (C) | 18:34 |
| greg-g | state gov and city/muncipal govs retain (C) in their creations | 18:35 |
| jrwren | greg-g: interesting, thanks. | 18:40 |
| jrwren | greg-g: it doesn't. | 18:40 |
| greg-g | the restrictions include: work the fed govt contracted can be restricted by (C) (sometimes) and works that the fed govt acquired | 18:40 |
| jrwren | greg-g: last sentence is (R) free market propoganda b.s. | 18:40 |
| jrwren | last paragraph, even. | 18:41 |
| greg-g | also, it is only PD in the US, the Fed govt can enforce its international copyright in works it created if it so chose | 18:41 |
| greg-g | jrwren: that's what I thought, thanks :) | 18:41 |
| greg-g | "he Pepper Spray Used, the MK-9, First Aerosol Projector, Was Not an | 19:20 |
| greg-g | Authorized Weapon for Use by the UCDPD" | 19:20 |
| greg-g | How do cops get supplied unauthorized weapons?! | 19:21 |
| greg-g | this may not be news for the Michigan crowd, but you may have saw the UC Davis pepper spray incident? | 19:21 |
| greg-g | the report from the independent commission is out today http://reynosoreport.ucdavis.edu/reynoso-report.pdf | 19:21 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I believe it went national | 19:21 |
| greg-g | ah, probably did. I get so scewed of what is national/local anymore with the intarweb | 19:22 |
| snap-l | Heh | 19:22 |
| snap-l | But yeah,this is going to be interesting | 19:22 |
| snap-l | But I'm not surprised | 19:22 |
| brousch | i'm sure cops have different weapons for different circumstances - like big ass guns when a perp has a rocket launcher | 19:23 |
| snap-l | s/rocket launcher/lollipop/ | 19:23 |
| greg-g | brousch: yes, but they are all pre-approved | 19:24 |
| greg-g | you don't just go down to the gun store to arm a police station | 19:24 |
| greg-g | cops must be trained in the use of their approved weapons | 19:24 |
| greg-g | key paragraph: | 19:24 |
| brousch | right, but they have to choose what to use for each circumstance | 19:24 |
| greg-g | "Lt. Pike is also responsible for the specific pepper spray weapon he used, the MK-9, and | 19:24 |
| greg-g | the manner in which he used it. The MK-9 is not an authorized weapon under UCDPD | 19:24 |
| greg-g | guidelines. UCDPD officers were not trained in how to use it correctly. And Lt. Pike did | 19:24 |
| brousch | probably have a big pile of them in the trunk | 19:24 |
| greg-g | not use it correctly. The MK-9 is a higher pressure type of pepper spray than what | 19:24 |
| greg-g | officers normally carry on their utility belts | 19:24 |
| greg-g | (MK-4). It is designed for crowd dispersal | 19:24 |
| greg-g | rather than field applications and “[t]he recommended minimum distance for . . . | 19:25 |
| greg-g | application of the MK-9 is six feet.” Lt. Pike appeared to be spraying protesters at a much | 19:25 |
| greg-g | closer distance than 6 feet | 19:25 |
| brousch | right, so it's an approved weapon, but wasn't used properly | 19:25 |
| greg-g | brousch: yeah, they do, from an approved list. | 19:25 |
| greg-g | no, it wasnot an authorized weapon. period | 19:25 |
| brousch | well then he's hosed | 19:25 |
| greg-g | "The MK-9 is not an authorized weapon under UCDPD guidelines" | 19:25 |
| snap-l | All this to prove conclusively that this guy is an asshole | 19:27 |
| brousch | of course the guidelines could say something like "the MK-4 is not approved for peaceful hippies, but is approved for rowdy fratboys" | 19:27 |
| snap-l | greg-g: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop | 19:27 |
| brousch | but yeah, still an asshole | 19:28 |
| greg-g | snap-l++ | 19:29 |
| greg-g | when cops don't follow their own guidelines, I stop respecting cops (fyi: this happened years ago) | 19:29 |
| greg-g | bullies, the lot of them | 19:29 |
| brousch | i can't blame them sometimes. my future brother in law is a cop and some of the stories he tells are crazy | 19:33 |
| brousch | he's at wayne state | 19:33 |
| _stink_ | sorry | 19:34 |
| brousch | you get rowdy, he will get to spray you | 19:35 |
| greg-g | sure, hopefully with an approved weapon in the way he was trained to do it. | 19:37 |
| greg-g | and "get to spray you" is putting it in a way that seems nefarious | 19:37 |
| greg-g | "have to spray you" sounds more like what a cop should say | 19:38 |
| * greg-g should log out of IRC for the rest of the week | 19:38 | |
| brousch | you have gotten very grumpy since you moved ;) | 19:39 |
| _stink_ | i like it. | 19:39 |
| greg-g | I think I have, too | 19:40 |
| greg-g | grumpy, and nit picky with language, etc | 19:40 |
| brousch | they must take things too seriously out there. need to have more fun | 19:40 |
| greg-g | I think it's a mixture of also dealing with annoying conference planners/hotel representatives when ITS NOT EVEN MY JOB | 19:41 |
| _stink_ | :O | 19:41 |
| brousch | I'M NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY | 19:42 |
| snap-l | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847271320/ogre-designers-edition | 19:43 |
| greg-g | brousch: really? go home :) | 19:44 |
| snap-l | Y'know, if facebook really wants to get into mobile, I think Nokia is pretty cheap nowadays. | 20:28 |
| snap-l | Make them the official phone of facebook, and BOOM! | 20:28 |
| snap-l | You can sepia the negative out of the instagram purchase. | 20:29 |
| brousch | hm, and MS and FB aren't really competitors | 20:29 |
| snap-l | It's a win win win win win | 20:29 |
| jrwren | greg-g: you would think cops are trained in use of their weapons, but I'd not consider them trained | 20:37 |
| jrwren | "All this to prove conclusively that this guy is an asshole" | 20:38 |
| jrwren | *cough* cop *cough* | 20:38 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I carefully chose my words | 20:38 |
| snap-l | not all cops are assholes | 20:38 |
| jrwren | agreed. | 20:39 |
| snap-l | that said, I have run into some that definitely drag down the lot | 20:39 |
| jrwren | but as long as we are making generalizations... | 20:39 |
| snap-l | heh | 20:39 |
| jrwren | when i was a child, i was always taught that police are here to help. to serve and protect. | 20:44 |
| jrwren | i'm not teaching my kid that. | 20:44 |
| jrwren | i'm teaching her that cops are out to get you. | 20:45 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM | 20:45 |
| jrwren | they'll try to pin something on you. | 20:45 |
| snap-l | jrwren: ^^ | 20:45 |
| jrwren | they have to implement terrible laws | 20:45 |
| jrwren | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5gRIud57jQ | 20:45 |
| jrwren | :) | 20:45 |
| snap-l | I have that on CD | 20:45 |
| snap-l | because I'm a BOSS | 20:46 |
| jrwren | nice. | 20:46 |
| greg-g | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLBEZoagX6o | 20:48 |
| * greg-g can play that game, too ;) | 20:48 | |
| greg-g | or, maybe better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xnTW-4SVeE&feature=related | 20:50 |
| greg-g | man that last song I linked is so good | 20:53 |
| jrwren | dpz is always good. | 20:54 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:55 |
| greg-g | bad version, the ending there is annoying (stupid youtuber) this one is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_YKpSAJ3_o | 20:55 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2mZVOd0jWY | 21:17 |
| Blazeix | rick_h: have you seen http://www.meteor.com/main ? | 23:20 |
| Blazeix | interesting, though the client-side db client gives me pause :) | 23:20 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: yea, seen the traffic, not watched the video | 23:38 |
| rick_h | from what I've read it's rather immature and I've got enough going atm | 23:38 |
| Blazeix | oh yeah, it's totally not ready for prime time, but it's an interesting step in dev workflow | 23:41 |
| rick_h | yea, I saw about about the people behind it and I guess I should check it out | 23:44 |
| rick_h | but honestly, had a @#$@ day and just not interested atm lol | 23:44 |
| Blazeix | aw, sorry | 23:45 |
| rick_h | all good, just explaining why I'm not my super eager "ooh something new to learn" self :) | 23:45 |
| Blazeix | ruby beating the crap out of you, i understand :) | 23:45 |
| rick_h | hah | 23:46 |
| greg-g | rick_h: luckily, all the brogrammers on HackerNews won't touch it because it is GPL, you'll have the run of the place when you have time ;) | 23:46 |
| rick_h | greg-g: heh yea saw some of that discussion as well | 23:46 |
| rick_h | and when can we quit the brogrammer stuff? I'm getting close to a rant I think | 23:46 |
| rick_h | the interwebs have been boiling things lately | 23:46 |
| greg-g | "man! they're so lame, not letting me take their code and putting it into my properitary product and not give them anything! Such lame-os!" | 23:46 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: shouldn't you be in a acar on the way here? | 23:47 |
| greg-g | rick_h: fair | 23:47 |
| greg-g | (re: brogrammers) | 23:47 |
| greg-g | wait, if I keep using the term will that make you record a new rant? | 23:47 |
| greg-g | brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer | 23:47 |
| greg-g | (its like buffalo) | 23:48 |
| rick_h | no, because when this kettle boils I'm likely to say things that will get me in trouble | 23:48 |
| greg-g | haha | 23:48 |
| greg-g | then pretend you didn't see all those brogrammers I typed | 23:48 |
| rick_h | between the women in programming stuff, the drinking while at conferences stuff, "hey dude, I hear you like some tests in your tests" crap... | 23:48 |
| rick_h | gah! | 23:48 |
| Blazeix | rick_h: yeah, still at work :) I should be there around 8:30 | 23:50 |
| greg-g | rick_h: get the politics out of your code, eh? | 23:51 |
| rick_h | well at least be reasonable about it. | 23:52 |
| greg-g | :) | 23:52 |
| rick_h | I mean...wtf...people like to drink when the socialize and not talk code 24/7 at a conference...who knew? | 23:52 |
| rick_h | anyway, building up a lot of aingst, need to turn off HN/Reddit/etc | 23:52 |
| Blazeix | yeah, you need to be careful with the word 'brogrammer' | 23:53 |
| Blazeix | it seems to be turning into a synonym for 'someone who disagrees with me' | 23:54 |
| rick_h | lol | 23:54 |
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