[00:27] waldo323: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/753052/strip-html-from-strings-in-python [01:28] any pythonists notice urandom gone from os module after upgrading to precise (I think that is what did it) ? [01:32] bah, just had to redo virtualenv :( [01:32] not nearly as nice as rvm [01:32] but still better than nothing. [03:42] Oh FFS [03:42] rick_h: I think I figured out the problem [03:43] the redirect that I'm doing is somehow being treated as ASCII, not unicode. [03:43] That's why nosetests is working [03:43] and why the redirect fails [10:50] snap-l: wtf, terminal not unicode? does it even hit your terminal when you do a redirect? [11:13] Blazeix: http://blog.brightbox.co.uk/posts/next-generation-ruby-packages-for-ubuntu [11:40] rick_h: I have NFC why the redirect was causing the problem [11:41] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2007-February/037279.html [11:43] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4545661/unicodedecodeerror-when-redirecting-to-file [11:47] snap-l: guess it's time to add a -o flag to your script [11:48] rick_h: Nah, it's an easy fix to wrap stdout. [11:48] most of the time I don't need it redirected, so that's why it never came up [11:51] rick_h: Thank you very much for looking into this last night, though. I guess I need to learn more about 2.x's unicode support. [11:51] snap-l: yea, definitely. You'll hit it a lot at work as you work with things [11:51] morpace does a significant amount of spanish/chinese stuff that'll hit unicode issues [11:52] check out qmail sometime. It's got to handle unicode on the db side, in the file uploads, etc [11:52] ugh [11:53] just move it all to python3 [11:53] now you're talking! [11:54] beat me to my first python3 code [11:56] really? [11:56] you still haven't used it? [11:56] brousch: just for other people's packagse I've had to hack with/do releases for [11:56] brousch: but no, I don't have a script in my toolbox with #!/usr/bin/env python3 [11:56] pyramid is on py3. you have no excuse [11:56] brousch: sure I do [11:56] https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/blob/develop/requirements.txt [11:57] geez [11:57] bookie is bigger than it seems :) [11:58] break out all requirements without py3 into their own oldcrap.py service [11:59] heh, but then you coudln't build/serve JS files, do readable parsing, encrypt passwords, do sqlalchemy migrations, etc [12:00] it's down to a handfull of packages though [12:01] I could look at making the new readable service thing python3 except the readable library isn't python3 and heroku doesn't support it [12:02] damn, backup to nas still going. 38hrs and running [12:02] almost up to 600GB...damn slow thing [12:02] that's right, heroku doesn't have it yet. GAE either [12:03] i think webfaction does, but they're not free [12:26] I have used the word Goose-greaser in a work e-mail [12:27] do you work on a pultry farm? [12:27] or a poultry farm? [12:28] wow, I'm a little bit dying to know how you fit that into something [12:29] yeah, snap-l, how did you fit a greased goose into something? and into what did you fit it? [12:29] and did it fit better with the greasing? [12:30] and what did you use as grease? [12:31] It's working off of a cooking analogy that was given to me [12:31] ie: it's easier to have 10 cooks get 1/10th of the flour you need than for 10 cooks to spread crisco on a goose. [12:32] It's like the analogy equivalant of manna from heaven. [12:32] ummm, wow [12:32] ugh, I don't feel like working today [12:32] seems like a 10 man goose greasing would go quickly [12:32] I just want to hack on my own code [12:36] rick_h: that makes for a long day [12:37] brousch: yea, well had to start my day by rolling back a code change and getting two new sets of code reviews to fix more stuff so ugh [12:37] code reviews sound incredibly boring [12:37] they're actually pretty good [12:51] http://www.daniweb.com/software-development/news/420497/why-software-engineer-is-officially-americas-best-job [12:52] didn't realize that broadcaster and butcher were such bad gigs [12:55] Broadcasters love to bitch [12:55] frankly I wouldn't want a job as a broadcaster, though. Too much pressure to operform, and the constant looming threat that your job may evaporate overnight [12:56] especially now that "traditional media" is getting supplanted. [12:57] My friend that worked on West Michigan radio is quite happy working on car restoration [14:34] http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/demotivational-posters-history.jpg [14:35] ok, I'm not into windows bashing atm, but that's kind of funny [14:44] rick_h: then you're not using it enough ;) [14:48] brousch: I never use it! [14:48] see, that's why you have no urge to bash it [14:48] works for me :) [14:49] what does your wife use? [14:58] brousch: she uses windows and ubuntu [14:59] but I've gotten myself out of most involvement [14:59] me too. then she went 6 months without updating and caught something [14:59] now the regular beatings will begin again [14:59] heh [15:10] lol @ caught something. [16:11] penguicon should just say it's an unconference [16:11] brousch: +1 [16:12] an unconference with the planning done before hand, quasi-unconference [16:12] heh [16:17] well then they just need to set the date and location and not worry about talks [16:17] I don't know how well that works for multi-day things [16:18] which day do I show up, how long do I stay. I think unconference would work best with a limited scope [16:18] <_stink_> yeah, i think they have a happy medium [16:18] <_stink_> i have to say i'm encouraged by the schedule so far [16:18] <_stink_> more like ~4 years ago [16:19] rick_h: you come all days and stay the whole time [16:19] brousch: ummm, nope [16:19] barcampify it [16:21] Nah, I think it needs the scheduling [16:21] I mean, would ou want a flashmob of furries in the middle of your ipv6 talk? [16:21] That would not be a route to happiness. [16:22] * waldo323_ shudders... furries [16:22] isn't notacon planned more like an unconference? [16:22] ipv6 talk... route to happiness, lol [16:23] <_stink_> snap-l++ [16:25] I think we'd be open to having portions of penguicon setup for open tech talks, not sure how barcamp works /me goes to google [16:27] hmm if there is space when would we want a barcamp event and for how long? and what would we need? [16:27] no talks scheduled before the conference. you have a grid of time slots and rooms and people sign up as they go [16:28] I think that'd be a cool way to do the tech track. Make it a bit split of space. Show up with a board and 'tracks' for things like networking, hacker, development or something nad just fill the board/do it [16:29] you'd to make sure the rooms you pick for tech have projectors [16:29] by track, makers bring real crap [16:29] if you're not showing code just talk, be engaging [16:30] make all the agile folks do their presenations without their pretty images on slides [16:30] today is cutoff for the program book but we could still potentially add barcamp slots [16:30] naw, wouldn't mess with this year [16:30] ok [16:31] but I wonder if it would help the tech track next year, unconference within a conference [16:31] i like it [16:31] I might even be willing to help with something like that if it was limited scope. Kind of a Sat for your tech needs thing [16:33] Just got a CD from INdia [16:34] sat as in satellite? [16:34] for metalcast? [16:34] waldo323_: Sat as in saturday [16:34] rick_h: Yep [16:34] e.g. not Fri-Sun all day [16:34] ah [16:35] http://burnthewater.bandcamp.com/ [16:35] that would be great [16:35] cool snap-l [16:36] Yeah, loving this global community we have [16:36] "This EP was recorded using a 10$ mic, 120$ guitar, a cheap ZOOM processor onto a (really old) Celeron pc. So all donations to this EP directly goes to the artist for funding his upcoming projects/albums." [16:36] DUde charged $2 for the disc [16:37] granted, it's a CD-R, but still, I'm impressed. [16:37] 061483 [16:37] BINGO! [16:37] damn [16:37] ;) [16:37] been doing so good lately at not hitting it [16:54] is there any bad blood between foocamp and barcamp? [16:54] does foocamp still exist? [16:57] not sure, doesn't look like it but i wanted to know more than the websites are saying if it was known [16:58] esp if we were able to get someone from o'reilly [16:59] seemed like there may or may not be from http://barcamp.org/w/page/402874/FooCamp [17:00] i haven't heard of any bad blood. heck o'reilly was a sponsor at barcampgr [17:00] http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120410/07284618438/open-textbook-startup-sued-allegedly-copying-distinctive-selection-arrangement-presentation-facts-existing-titles.shtml <- Fuck Pearson, FUck Cengage, and Fuck Macmillian. [17:00] ok cool [17:01] no to snap-l's [17:02] er the fact that its happening anyway... opentextbook shouldn't be bogged down with that icky-ness [17:03] it is a little bit cheesy [17:05] I agree with the fsck statements, but this case is a bit weird and I'm not sure what is goign to happen [17:05] it will have repurcussions which ever way it goes [17:06] :| [17:12] greg-g: This is the same look and feel bullshit that Apple did in the 1980s with the macintosh [17:12] IT's the presentation of information [17:12] kind of [17:12] except they say directly: we take their content, and find replacements for everything, and repackage it as a repalcement book [17:14] greg-g: and they haven't sued every other publisher? :) [17:15] :) [17:15] publishers advertise how their stuff is unique and cutting edge [17:15] boundless says it is a replacement aligning to the same content [17:17] basically, the publishers could have chosen to sue Open.Michigan for doing similar things (re-creating illustrations in our OER) but they chose to go after the one that has A) the worst visuals (ie: how the judge and public will see them, and how easy it'll be to make them look bad, I mean, for fucks sake, the CEO's headshot includes a 4 inch pop'ed collar!) and B) they can get statutory damanges from boundless, not so for UMich [17:18] This and the SOPA stuff have sealed it for me [17:18] They are decidedly against that which they stand for [17:18] what do they stand for? [17:19] they stand for profit making, that is all [17:19] they choose to do it by selling stuff to schools [17:19] Freedom of expression [17:19] learning [17:19] where does it say that? [17:19] They're a publisher [17:19] and.... [17:19] if there's no freedom of speech, they don't exist. [17:20] publishers started out as the mouth peice of the monarchy [17:20] think that publishers have some sort of freedom is a thing which only existed in the US after we kicked the brits butts [17:20] and then, we were considered pirates [17:20] heh [17:22] the statute of anne, the first law governing the making of copies (ie: copyright law) was a law that gave monopolies to the publishers that the queen liked. If the queen didn't like them, she chose not to give them the ability to print. [17:22] (that's just your factoid of the day re copyright ;) ) [17:30] so, snap-l, I would love to think that today's publishers stand for something that could be considered an "ideal" but I have become EXTREMELY jadded recently and see that any corporation is only out for one thing: profit. If it doesn't make them profit, they don't do it, nevermind if there is some other higher meaning. [17:31] snap-l: just saying: sorry if I came across in any way other than "publishers are only out for money, ideals don't mean anything to them, thus, this lawsuit is perfectly logical for them" [17:31] There are publishers that don't act like assclowns [17:31] GOod publishers [17:31] and I want to support that [17:31] and tell the asshats where they can go [17:32] they only act nice to sucker in the freetards [17:32] right, but I don't think O'Reilly/whoever would be terribly happy if someone made a service that purported to be making replacement books based on their structure :/ [17:32] brousch: I didn't want to say it.... ;) [17:33] it's only logical [17:33] brousch: but that elludes to something that I've unfortunately used: the business case for opennes. Subsuming the ethical case with cold hard economics :) [17:35] well, a business is in business to make money. if they weren't, they'd be a nonprofit [17:35] right [17:35] and suddenly i understand apple [17:35] ? [17:37] they exist to make money, not to make users happy [17:37] right [17:37] this is news? [17:38] i haven't put much thought into it [17:38] they make addictive products and sell them in a way only cults could love, which is great to make money [17:38] I don't want to be the bad guy, but if I setup a class I earned a living teaching, and someone copied the class structure, notes, order, and offered it next door...I'm not sure I'd be a happy camper either [17:38] I really think I see similarities between Apple conferences and MLM/Pyramid Scheme conferences [17:39] rick_h: for free! [17:39] rick_h: totally understand. But there is this concept in (C)-law that is referred to the "idea/expression divide" which basically just states that the only thing that is protected/restricted by copyright is the expression, not the underlying idea. [17:40] greg-g: yea, I understand. And the fact that publishers have a history that make people cranky with them to start doesn't help [17:40] if there wasn't that divide, Wikipedia couln't have existed because someone, somewhere, had already written about all those topics [17:40] but that's why I say it's a but slimy vs illegal [17:40] rick_h: You have no idea how education works, and how many teachers yoink things. :) [17:40] rick_h: /me nods [17:40] and how many educators believe they're not bound by copyright [17:40] heh, yeah, yoinking happens everywhere ;) [17:41] snap-l: I have an idea or three, but I find it too easy to put the thing in terms I could agre with them with [17:41] rick_h: AS a publisher who cares about selling books, I'd be pissed [17:41] as a publisher who cares about education, I'd be flattered. [17:42] Guarantee you, if you took 5 intro to blah books, they'd all look extremely similar [17:42] snap-l: yea, but take it away from books. I make a bike part that makes bikes a little bit safer. Someone comes along and gives away a version that's close, free (cause safety is deserved by all) and .0125" smaller than mine so it's not a direct copy [17:42] and if this case succeeds, it'll have far-reaching effects on trade dress [17:42] rick_h: And that's where patents come in [17:43] which don't apply to ideas, just to manufacturing [17:43] yea, I guess, but the layout/structure/order/visuals/etc of a book meant to teach is a bit more than an idea [17:43] and the reason they can copy it is because it's manufactured and put on shelves [17:43] Back to books: if someone decided that the D&D monster manual was some form of copyrightable trade dress (Stats, picture, description) there'd be a lot of crying [17:45] Classes follow a certain flow. You'd be hard pressed to learn about advanced physics without first learning about force / motion [17:46] oh no, we made the jump to bike analogies while I wasn't looking! [17:47] ;) [17:47] wtf happened to cars? [17:47] Granted there may be some extreme similarities between the two books, but frankly this is ridiculous [17:47] greg-g: bwuhahaha [17:47] brousch: apparently rick_h is now a hippie too :) [17:47] brousch: didn't you hear, the auto industry is dead [17:47] haha [17:47] It's a text book. There's going to be similarities [17:47] hey, I almost bike more than ride in the car these days [17:47] rick_h: NICE! [17:48] snap-l: yea, but this isn't *some* it's *copying* [17:48] ... the idea not the expression, but yeah [17:48] "It's a desktop metaphor. Clearly it's Apple's copyrighted material" [17:48] lemme find some good examples from Open.Michigan [17:49] lemme finish this important email first. :) [17:49] heh, no work! [17:49] greg-g: This is not important. :) [17:51] i think greg-g actually gets paid for this now [17:51] "muggle education" or something [17:58] hm, this looks pretty nice http://semantic.gs/ [17:59] i hate grids where i have grid info in my divs [18:00] not flexible width...die in a fie [18:01] fire that is [18:01] it can be fluid [18:01] ok, nvm my bad for quick read [18:01] @total-width: 100%; // Switch from pixels to percentages [18:02] https://open.umich.edu/wiki/Casebook [18:02] see the Charts, Graphs, Scietific Images, Chemical Structures, etc sections [18:03] * greg-g had a hand in that https://open.umich.edu/wiki/index.php?title=Casebook&action=history [18:05] greg-g: that's interesting [18:08] it'll break you mind wrt how you think about copyright and content if you let it :) [18:08] greg-g's motto https://twitter.com/#!/hadleybeeman/status/190093792366440448 [18:09] greg-g: yea, my argument is totallythe whole "how I *feel* about this ethically" vs legally [18:09] rick_h: lol [18:10] rick_h: and I respect that, but just know that when I push back or give hypotheticals to try and poke holes in the lack of consistency... just remember that tweet :P [18:10] :) [18:11] greg-g: i prefer to let Free Culture break my mind on those topics, tyvm [18:11] jrwren: to each their own ;) [18:12] honestly, since this channel isn't publicly logged anymore, I'm surprised we were sent a nastry gram just because of that wiki page [18:12] s/were/weren't/ [18:12] oh? [18:12] * _stink_ posts all his logs [18:13] yeah, I mean, it is backed up by court cases that support our arguments, but, that page represents the very thing which boundless is being sued over [18:13] greg-g: you mean just linking that page? [18:13] This channel is logged [18:14] jrwren: rather, the stated policy (-ish) of Open.Michigan [18:14] snap-l: publicly? [18:14] oh, hey, ubuntulo12 is here [18:14] ubuntu-mi is logged [18:14] ah, crap. there goes my political career [18:14] I thought he left [18:14] Yeah, was fixed near the begining of the year. [18:14] dangit [18:14] I sent you all a memo [18:15] you know i don't read memos [18:15] ergo... [18:15] :) [18:15] heh, well then http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/11/%23ubuntu-us-mi.txt [18:21] Not following where we'd get flamed, though [18:25] we? sorry, bad grammer/punctuation on my part. I meant: I'll say this in here since we're no longer logged: surprised we (Open.Michigan) wasn't sent a nastrygram for just the existence of that page (and examples of where we published content based on its assumptions/assertions) [18:25] ah, that makes more sense [18:25] * greg-g goes back to grammar skul [18:27] lol [18:27] * jrwren puts greg-g in the english grammer slammer [18:27] <_stink_> slammar? [18:29] and you'll get a C! [18:31] greg-g: that page only confuses me. [18:32] e.g. on the michigan seal. [18:32] In addition, it is a creative piece of expression, although as a government work, it is not protected by copyright law. [18:33] but by that standard, every professors publication is a government work. [18:33] yet the are (c) and published by journals. [18:34] jrwren: you're my source of understanding corporations/free market: how does the last sentence in this article make logical sense: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/04/doj-terms-settlement-ebook/ [18:34] jrwren: state gov != fed gov. Only fed gov't work (some exceptions) is not restricted by (C) [18:35] state gov and city/muncipal govs retain (C) in their creations [18:40] greg-g: interesting, thanks. [18:40] greg-g: it doesn't. [18:40] the restrictions include: work the fed govt contracted can be restricted by (C) (sometimes) and works that the fed govt acquired [18:40] greg-g: last sentence is (R) free market propoganda b.s. [18:41] last paragraph, even. [18:41] also, it is only PD in the US, the Fed govt can enforce its international copyright in works it created if it so chose [18:41] jrwren: that's what I thought, thanks :) [19:20] "he Pepper Spray Used, the MK-9, First Aerosol Projector, Was Not an [19:20] Authorized Weapon for Use by the UCDPD" [19:21] How do cops get supplied unauthorized weapons?! [19:21] this may not be news for the Michigan crowd, but you may have saw the UC Davis pepper spray incident? [19:21] the report from the independent commission is out today http://reynosoreport.ucdavis.edu/reynoso-report.pdf [19:21] greg-g: I believe it went national [19:22] ah, probably did. I get so scewed of what is national/local anymore with the intarweb [19:22] Heh [19:22] But yeah,this is going to be interesting [19:22] But I'm not surprised [19:23] i'm sure cops have different weapons for different circumstances - like big ass guns when a perp has a rocket launcher [19:23] s/rocket launcher/lollipop/ [19:24] brousch: yes, but they are all pre-approved [19:24] you don't just go down to the gun store to arm a police station [19:24] cops must be trained in the use of their approved weapons [19:24] key paragraph: [19:24] right, but they have to choose what to use for each circumstance [19:24] "Lt. Pike is also responsible for the specific pepper spray weapon he used, the MK-9, and [19:24] the manner in which he used it. The MK-9 is not an authorized weapon under UCDPD [19:24] guidelines. UCDPD officers were not trained in how to use it correctly. And Lt. Pike did [19:24] probably have a big pile of them in the trunk [19:24] not use it correctly. The MK-9 is a higher pressure type of pepper spray than what [19:24] officers normally carry on their utility belts [19:24] (MK-4). It is designed for crowd dispersal [19:25] rather than field applications and “[t]he recommended minimum distance for . . . [19:25] application of the MK-9 is six feet.” Lt. Pike appeared to be spraying protesters at a much [19:25] closer distance than 6 feet [19:25] right, so it's an approved weapon, but wasn't used properly [19:25] brousch: yeah, they do, from an approved list. [19:25] no, it wasnot an authorized weapon. period [19:25] well then he's hosed [19:25] "The MK-9 is not an authorized weapon under UCDPD guidelines" [19:27] All this to prove conclusively that this guy is an asshole [19:27] of course the guidelines could say something like "the MK-4 is not approved for peaceful hippies, but is approved for rowdy fratboys" [19:27] greg-g: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop [19:28] but yeah, still an asshole [19:29] snap-l++ [19:29] when cops don't follow their own guidelines, I stop respecting cops (fyi: this happened years ago) [19:29] bullies, the lot of them [19:33] i can't blame them sometimes. my future brother in law is a cop and some of the stories he tells are crazy [19:33] he's at wayne state [19:34] <_stink_> sorry [19:35] you get rowdy, he will get to spray you [19:37] sure, hopefully with an approved weapon in the way he was trained to do it. [19:37] and "get to spray you" is putting it in a way that seems nefarious [19:38] "have to spray you" sounds more like what a cop should say [19:38] * greg-g should log out of IRC for the rest of the week [19:39] you have gotten very grumpy since you moved ;) [19:39] <_stink_> i like it. [19:40] I think I have, too [19:40] grumpy, and nit picky with language, etc [19:40] they must take things too seriously out there. need to have more fun [19:41] I think it's a mixture of also dealing with annoying conference planners/hotel representatives when ITS NOT EVEN MY JOB [19:41] <_stink_> :O [19:42] I'M NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY [19:43] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847271320/ogre-designers-edition [19:44] brousch: really? go home :) [20:28] Y'know, if facebook really wants to get into mobile, I think Nokia is pretty cheap nowadays. [20:28] Make them the official phone of facebook, and BOOM! [20:29] You can sepia the negative out of the instagram purchase. [20:29] hm, and MS and FB aren't really competitors [20:29] It's a win win win win win [20:37] greg-g: you would think cops are trained in use of their weapons, but I'd not consider them trained [20:38] "All this to prove conclusively that this guy is an asshole" [20:38] *cough* cop *cough* [20:38] jrwren: I carefully chose my words [20:38] not all cops are assholes [20:39] agreed. [20:39] that said, I have run into some that definitely drag down the lot [20:39] but as long as we are making generalizations... [20:39] heh [20:44] when i was a child, i was always taught that police are here to help. to serve and protect. [20:44] i'm not teaching my kid that. [20:45] i'm teaching her that cops are out to get you. [20:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM [20:45] they'll try to pin something on you. [20:45] jrwren: ^^ [20:45] they have to implement terrible laws [20:45] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5gRIud57jQ [20:45] :) [20:45] I have that on CD [20:46] because I'm a BOSS [20:46] nice. [20:48] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLBEZoagX6o [20:48] * greg-g can play that game, too ;) [20:50] or, maybe better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xnTW-4SVeE&feature=related [20:53] man that last song I linked is so good [20:54] dpz is always good. [20:55] :) [20:55] bad version, the ending there is annoying (stupid youtuber) this one is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_YKpSAJ3_o [21:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2mZVOd0jWY [23:20] rick_h: have you seen http://www.meteor.com/main ? [23:20] interesting, though the client-side db client gives me pause :) [23:38] Blazeix: yea, seen the traffic, not watched the video [23:38] from what I've read it's rather immature and I've got enough going atm [23:41] oh yeah, it's totally not ready for prime time, but it's an interesting step in dev workflow [23:44] yea, I saw about about the people behind it and I guess I should check it out [23:44] but honestly, had a @#$@ day and just not interested atm lol [23:45] aw, sorry [23:45] all good, just explaining why I'm not my super eager "ooh something new to learn" self :) [23:45] ruby beating the crap out of you, i understand :) [23:46] hah [23:46] rick_h: luckily, all the brogrammers on HackerNews won't touch it because it is GPL, you'll have the run of the place when you have time ;) [23:46] greg-g: heh yea saw some of that discussion as well [23:46] and when can we quit the brogrammer stuff? I'm getting close to a rant I think [23:46] the interwebs have been boiling things lately [23:46] "man! they're so lame, not letting me take their code and putting it into my properitary product and not give them anything! Such lame-os!" [23:47] Blazeix: shouldn't you be in a acar on the way here? [23:47] rick_h: fair [23:47] (re: brogrammers) [23:47] wait, if I keep using the term will that make you record a new rant? [23:47] brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer brogrammer [23:48] (its like buffalo) [23:48] no, because when this kettle boils I'm likely to say things that will get me in trouble [23:48] haha [23:48] then pretend you didn't see all those brogrammers I typed [23:48] between the women in programming stuff, the drinking while at conferences stuff, "hey dude, I hear you like some tests in your tests" crap... [23:48]