[03:54] <BiosElement2> So how's it going folks?
[04:13] <Unit193> Well, I'm not fond of messing with gpg...
[04:16] <BiosElement2> Ouch
[04:17] <BiosElement2> Yeahhh, I avoid gpg like the plague. Probably have 6 spare ones haha
[04:17] <Unit193> First time I did it, added the email with .com rather than .org, and I need that key on more than one computer. -_-
[04:29]  * yano signs everything
[04:30] <Unit193> That's not the issue, but last email I sent had it.
[16:57] <thafreak> so, i keep saying it here, but i have to say it again
[16:57] <thafreak> saltstack.org
[16:57] <thafreak> you setup remote machines as minions
[16:57] <thafreak> and they basically wait around for instrucitons from you
[16:58] <thafreak> neat thing is, the minions connect back to the master and poll a message queue for instructions
[16:58] <thafreak> so they can be behind a firewall or nat'd or whatever, and you can still command them
[16:58] <thafreak> also has built in config management, similar to puppet
[16:59] <paultag> thafreak: oh, wait, really?
[17:00] <paultag> thafreak: let's take this into whube, I have ideas.
[19:21] <thafreak> any security oriented folks in the NEO?
[19:21] <thafreak> http://www.wadsworthcity.com/the-city/employment-opportunities/city-employment/information-technology-security-specialist.html
[19:21] <thafreak> i know the director of IT, can put in a word
[19:24] <Unit193> Dangit, my mistake is on record.... https://launchpad.net/pianobar
[19:24] <Unit193> (From a bit back)
[19:25] <paultag> Unit193: haha
[19:25] <Unit193> paultag: Shuddup... ;)
[19:25] <paultag> Unit193: do you need something done? I happen to be friends with Luke
[19:25] <Unit193> I forgot to put it in junk...
[19:25] <Unit193> paultag: Only to say "oops", I keep a patched version in my junk that has all the nice features.
[19:26] <paultag> Unit193: don't want to upstream it?
[19:26] <Unit193> paultag: I'd be fine with that, but I have no powers and that's not exactly something they'd want in.
[19:27] <paultag> Unit193: did they reject it?
[19:27] <Unit193> paultag: Nope, didn't submit. I removed before I got yelled at. :P
[19:28] <paultag> Unit193: then how do you know what upstream wants?
[19:29] <Unit193> paultag: It's based off the patch promy had in the issue tracker, just kept up to date on changes on both sides.
[19:29] <paultag> so submit it to the issue
[19:31] <Unit193> Because it's already known, but I'd be happy to if that'd help!  Compare https://github.com/PromyLOPh/pianobar/issues/214#issuecomment-3884433   with   http://pastebin.com/HkreYpJR
[19:32] <paultag> mmm
[19:44] <Unit193> But if it'd help, otherwise....
[20:16] <AndyGraybeal_> anyone into GIS here?
[20:17] <canthus13> Ghost Investigation Society?
[20:17] <Unit193> Gastric Intestinal Surgery?
[20:17] <AndyGraybeal_> i was thinking more of Geography...
[20:18] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: I am
[20:18] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: why, what's up?
[20:18] <AndyGraybeal_> do you have this PPA installed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS
[20:18] <paultag> nack
[20:18] <paultag> I do my stuff by hand
[20:18] <AndyGraybeal_> i just bought some land and my deed is wrote with english i don't understand.
[20:19] <AndyGraybeal_> i deals with commencing chains and thence westerlies.
[20:19] <paultag> haha
[20:19] <paultag> my stuff is limited to basic postgis / tilemill stuff
[20:19] <paultag> and dumping public gis data into my stuff
[20:19] <AndyGraybeal_> i was hoping i could get some bad ass software and a little gps info and be on my way ;)
[20:20] <AndyGraybeal_> i don't see any lat/lon info on this deed at all!!!!
[20:20] <paultag> haha, oh lordy
[20:20] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: you can get your county / state's land plot data
[20:20] <paultag> I've not looked into ohio's gis stuff
[20:20] <paultag> but that's public domain
[20:20] <AndyGraybeal_> we have someting that is called 'athensgis'  it is handy
[20:20] <paultag> so you should be able to request the actual plot coords
[20:21] <AndyGraybeal_> is there a website?
[20:21] <paultag> oh cool
[20:21] <canthus13> AndyGraybeal_: If you've got a really, really old deed, the measurements can be really stupid.
[20:21] <AndyGraybeal_> aah request stuff.. like actually talk to humans. hmm.
[20:21] <canthus13> paces from trees that are long-gone, structures that burned down 200 years ago...
[20:21] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: I have massgis for MA
[20:21] <paultag> if you can't find it online, usually *someone* will know something about GIS on the state level
[20:21] <paultag> if you ask enough
[20:21] <AndyGraybeal_> canthus13, luckily i don't have any 'paces' yet. :)
[20:22] <canthus13> AndyGraybeal_: Heh.
[20:22] <AndyGraybeal_> i get very bored reading it, it's hard to concentrate and read it through.
[20:22] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: dude
[20:22]  * canthus13 has seen some colonial-era deeds from MA and VA that were marked off based on rocks, trees, paces, buildings, imaginary lines drawn from one object to another...
[20:22] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: http://downloads.ddti.net/athensoh/Metadata/ath_parcels_metadata.htm
[20:22] <AndyGraybeal_> after every paragraph it does state: "more or less" or "more less"
[20:22] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: that should have your actual plot bounds on it
[20:22] <AndyGraybeal_> awesome
[20:23] <AndyGraybeal_> your googlefu is tremendous
[20:23] <paultag> I work with state goverments
[20:23] <paultag> I have an unnatural way with state websites
[20:23] <AndyGraybeal_> so this is .. what exactly?  i'm sorry i'm an idiot
[20:23] <AndyGraybeal_> is this like a .xml file?
[20:23] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: you should be able to get a .shp file
[20:24] <paultag> which is importable to most GIS DBs / consumers
[20:24] <paultag> let me download it
[20:24] <AndyGraybeal_> where do i find this .shp file (and what softare do you use in ubuntu?)
[20:24] <paultag> btw it's very very up to date
[20:24] <paultag> like amazingly up to date
[20:24] <paultag> huge props to your county
[20:24] <paultag> you should thank someone
[20:24] <AndyGraybeal_> yay my county :)
[20:24] <AndyGraybeal_> have you seen athensgis.com yet?
[20:24] <paultag> that's where i found this
[20:24] <paultag> it's in insanely good shape
[20:24] <AndyGraybeal_> aah..
[20:24] <paultag> you should really thank someone
[20:25] <AndyGraybeal_> yes, it's great
[20:25] <AndyGraybeal_> i am using athensgis, but i'm like.. it's not helping
[20:25] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: yeah, download http://downloads.ddti.net/athensoh/parcels.zip
[20:25] <AndyGraybeal_> i found one pin on my land.
[20:25] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: unzip it, and you'll have a bunch of .shp / .shx / .prj / .dbf etc
[20:25] <paultag> those can be used with most tools
[20:25] <AndyGraybeal_> nice
[20:25] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: I advocate using tilemill with OSM data
[20:25] <AndyGraybeal_> paultag, what do you recomend for ubuntu?
[20:25] <AndyGraybeal_> tilemill okay, i've not heard of htis
[20:26] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: TileMill, personally - or PostGIS
[20:26] <AndyGraybeal_> rock!
[20:26] <paultag> It's for rendering the data
[20:26] <paultag> this was my hello-world with tilemill - http://blog.pault.ag/post/17036484637/mapping-the-ubuntu-community
[20:26] <paultag> now, I'm fairly OK with it, much better then that
[20:27] <paultag> but TM rocks
[20:27] <paultag> (and all nodejs!)
[20:27] <AndyGraybeal_> okay awesome thank you
[20:27] <paultag> sure thing
[20:28] <paultag> this is tilemill with MA data - http://i.imgur.com/MTgfW.jpg
[20:28] <paultag> http://i.imgur.com/oM4XF.jpg
[20:28] <AndyGraybeal_> i'm tihnkking about buying temporary steaks for the ground
[20:28] <paultag> YMMV, but your county looks to have really really good data
[20:29] <AndyGraybeal_> i don't know what to think about a fence
[20:29] <AndyGraybeal_> a friend of mine is making concrete markers that stand about 6 ft out of the groud
[20:30] <paultag> oh jeez
[20:30] <AndyGraybeal_> *ground for his land
[20:30] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: land stuff can be shady
[20:30] <AndyGraybeal_> aah, explain
[20:30] <AndyGraybeal_> wow nice images!
[20:30] <paultag> oh I mean, just getting it that accurate
[20:30] <paultag> in meatspace
[20:30] <paultag> GPSs suck, and often a few feet off :)
[20:30] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: thanks!
[20:31] <AndyGraybeal_> meatspace is a new term to me
[20:31] <AndyGraybeal_> i don't like it yet.
[20:31] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: I'm sure the town would be more then happy to come by and stake out the real land, then your neighbors won't hate you -- they'll hate the city for it :)
[20:32] <AndyGraybeal_> i think that costs a lot of money
[20:32] <paultag> really? bummer
[20:35] <AndyGraybeal_> well, i think
[20:35] <AndyGraybeal_> i don't think the town offers the service
[20:35] <AndyGraybeal_> i think a surveyor does, unless you know different.
[20:36] <paultag> mmmm, I don't, in fact :)
[20:36] <AndyGraybeal_> i guess, i just want to find my pins.
[20:36] <paultag> my GIS love is purely virtual atm :)
[20:43] <AndyGraybeal_> gah 256MB ;)
[20:43] <AndyGraybeal_> this is okay, it's just interesting.
[20:45] <AndyGraybeal_> paultag, do you know what southerly means?
[20:45] <AndyGraybeal_> does it just mean 'to the south' or does it mean something more specific?
[20:45] <paultag> I don't know, sounds like just due south
[20:46] <AndyGraybeal_> that's what i think too
[20:47] <AndyGraybeal_> how do you read something like: 80degrees 56' 15" ?  (is it just 80 degrees, 56feet, 15inches)?
[20:47] <AndyGraybeal_> it looks like it is a direction, not a length
[20:47] <AndyGraybeal_> because soon after that there is a measurement in chains or feet
[20:48] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: it's a lat or lon coord
[20:48] <AndyGraybeal_> for serious?! awesome!
[20:48] <paultag> yeah
[20:48] <AndyGraybeal_> this is good.
[20:48] <paultag> lat/lon is done by degrees / hours / minutes / seconds
[20:48] <paultag> which is how you read that :)
[20:48] <AndyGraybeal_> rock on.
[20:49] <paultag> :)
[20:49] <AndyGraybeal_> you are awesome, thus i am awesome.
[20:49] <paultag> nah, this is all you, buddy
[20:49] <paultag> you're awesome :)
[20:49] <AndyGraybeal_> then this makes life very easy!
[20:49] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: if you need to convert it to the decimal notation - http://www.geology.iupui.edu/resources/students/geology_resources/lat_long.htm - but Google will actually figure both out
[20:50] <paultag> I prefer decimal notation myself, but both are valid
[20:50] <AndyGraybeal_> why is it 'hours' and 'minutes'?  like time?
[20:50]  * paultag shrugs
[20:50] <paultag> not really sure. I'm sure there's an interesting story there
[20:51] <AndyGraybeal_> i guess it relates to 24hour being the full breadth of the world.
[20:52] <paultag> ah! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc
[20:52] <AndyGraybeal_> nice find
[20:53] <paultag> :)
[20:55] <AndyGraybeal_> hmm. so like.. how would 'north 33degrees 18' 40"  ' equal a lat/lon .. is it simply a direction?
[20:55] <paultag> It's expressed in north / south of the equator
[20:55] <paultag> and east / west of grenwich
[20:55] <paultag> erm, greenwich
[20:55] <AndyGraybeal_> yea, nods.
[20:56] <AndyGraybeal_> can i read you an excerpt.. maybe you can tell me the lat/lon ?
[20:56] <paultag> let me find a query for you
[20:56] <paultag> sure
[20:56] <AndyGraybeal_> i'm still confused
[20:56] <AndyGraybeal_> okay, this is a 5 acre plot
[20:56] <AndyGraybeal_> we have two
[20:57] <AndyGraybeal_> commencing at an iron pin found at the northwest corner of section 5; thence north 88degrees 41' 20" east along the northsection line 882.44 ft, to an iron pin, said iron pin being the place of beginning for the tract of land.
[20:57] <AndyGraybeal_> that is the first sentance of tract 1
[20:58] <paultag> is there anything that's with west on it?
[20:58] <AndyGraybeal_> lemme just post the wohle thing . if you don't mind
[20:58] <paultag> sure
[20:58] <AndyGraybeal_> er.. all of tract 1
[20:59] <AndyGraybeal_> Being a part of the northwest quarter of Section 5, Town 5, Range 12, more or particularly described as follows: Commencing at an iron pin found at the northwest corner of Section 5; thenc north 88degrees 41' 20" east along the north section line 882.44 ft. to an iron pin, said iron pin being the place of beginning for the tract of land herein described; passing throughan iron pin at 180.0 feet; thence continuing along th
[20:59] <AndyGraybeal_> e north section line; north 88degrees 41' 20" east 437.56 feet to an iron pin; thence south 0degrees 19' 20" west 650.0 ft to an iron pin; thence south 88degrees 41' 20" west 320.0 feet to an iron pin, thence north 0degrees 19' 20" east 470.0 ft to an iron pin; thence north 33degrees 18' 40" west 212.17 feet to the place of beginneing and containing 5.015 acres, more or less.
[20:59] <canthus13> AndyGraybeal_: good luck finding the pins. :)
[20:59] <AndyGraybeal_> canthus13, thanks bro!  i got a gps my bro-in-law is bringing over sunday
[20:59] <AndyGraybeal_> he works for the state
[20:59] <AndyGraybeal_> it's got gis software running on it :)
[21:00] <AndyGraybeal_> i got 18 beers waiting ;)
[21:00] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: those look like relitive coords
[21:00] <canthus13> AndyGraybeal_: Hope it's really, really accurate. Land disputes get nasty.
[21:00] <AndyGraybeal_> paultag, okay then.. awful
[21:00] <paultag> canthus13++
[21:00] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: one sec.
[21:00] <AndyGraybeal_> canthus13, i'm not disputing anything i just want to find my pins.
[21:00] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: is that the entire deed?
[21:00] <canthus13> AndyGraybeal_: If the pins are really, really old there won't be anything but rust.
[21:01] <canthus13> ...and you might have to dig for the rust.
[21:01] <AndyGraybeal_> paultag, that is tract1.  i have tract2 which is extremely long, and i'm not going to type it.
[21:01] <paultag> right
[21:01] <paultag> yeah this won't work right
[21:01] <AndyGraybeal_> tract1 is 5 acres, tract2 is 19.. and tract1 is basic rectangle.. tract2 is polygon crazy
[21:02] <canthus13> Of course, you may get lucky and find that a previous owner has done the work for you and remarked everything a bit more visibly. then you just have to measure and figure out if the newer markings are correct.
[21:02] <AndyGraybeal_> er wait, tract2 is 14 acres (i hjvae 19 total)
[21:02] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: you need to find Section 5, Town 5, Range 12, and the NE corner of Section 5, find the pin, then travel north to 88° 41' 20" W
[21:02] <paultag> erm, N
[21:02] <paultag> not W, wait that can't be right
[21:03] <AndyGraybeal_> paultag, okay, this is what i was thinking
[21:03] <paultag> AndyGraybeal_: it's missing a second coord
[21:03] <paultag> because 88 seems OK for an EW measurement
[21:03] <AndyGraybeal_> then maybe i typed wrong, lemme correct
[21:04] <AndyGraybeal_> ah foudn typo i think
[21:05] <AndyGraybeal_> nope
[21:06] <paultag> Cleveland, from my best guess is about 81° 41' 59" W  41° 29' 16" N
[21:06] <paultag> just for a frame of ref'
[21:06] <AndyGraybeal_> k
[21:06] <paultag> 88 W is in Illinois
[21:06] <paultag> just BTW
[21:06] <AndyGraybeal_> so these are just directions, not lat/lon?
[21:06] <paultag> I believe so
[21:06] <AndyGraybeal_> k crap :)
[21:06] <AndyGraybeal_> this is fine
[21:08] <paultag> :)
[21:08] <paultag> although
[21:09] <paultag> 88° 18' 40" does look like a compass bearing
[21:09] <paultag> and it does give feet
[21:09] <AndyGraybeal_> yea, compass
[21:09] <paultag> might need a day at the field with a metal detector, a compas and a lot of time
[21:10] <paultag> and beer
[21:10] <paultag> lots of beer
[21:10] <AndyGraybeal_> metal detecter..... yes.
[21:13] <AndyGraybeal_> i wonder if someone in athens sells them
[21:13] <AndyGraybeal_> there is so much trash on my land
[21:14] <AndyGraybeal_> beer bottles, cans, coffee mugs, all sorts of trash
[21:14] <AndyGraybeal_> er not coffee mugs, coffee cans
[21:16] <paultag> bummer :(
[21:17] <AndyGraybeal_> yea
[21:19] <AndyGraybeal_> okay, i got tilemill, ready for geo-data to commence.
[21:21] <paultag> :)
[21:22] <AndyGraybeal_> something is failing ;)
[21:39] <andygraybeal_> yea, for whatever reason tilemill is not running
[21:47] <andygraybeal_> i found a handdrawn map with the pins marked
[21:47] <andygraybeal_> er, atleast i think
[21:54] <andygraybeal_> aah, 'shape' files :)
[21:54] <paultag> sorry, I've been afk
[21:54] <paultag> yeah :)
[21:54] <paultag> tilemill can be a bit of a bear
[21:54] <paultag> is it not running at all?
[21:54] <paultag> did you install from the PPA?
[21:54] <andygraybeal_> yea, installed from ppa
[21:55] <paultag> odd
[21:55] <andygraybeal_> yes, something must be wrong with my system i'm still troublehsooting
[21:55] <andygraybeal_> also reading about gis.
[21:57] <andygraybeal_> i'm on 11.10
[21:57] <paultag> Description:	Ubuntu 11.10
[21:57] <paultag> here anyway
[21:57] <paultag> I broke it since install, but it used tow ork
[21:57] <paultag> erm, to work* :)
[21:59] <andygraybeal_> yea, postgis doesn't work either
[21:59] <andygraybeal_> something must be wrong with my systme :)
[22:01] <andygraybeal_> looks like my 'gnome-menus' is messed up
[22:01] <andygraybeal_> or something .. hah. who knows.
[22:04] <andygraybeal_> uninstalled and reinstalled, still not running
[22:19] <andygraybeal_> looks like something here: http://support.mapbox.com/discussions/tilemill/396-segmentation-fault-soon-after-startup-in-ubuntu-1110 and then goes to this: https://github.com/mapbox/tilemill/issues/1064
[22:20] <andygraybeal_> mm. but i hvae vs 0.9.0
[22:40] <andygraybeal_> ah, conflicting ppa's!
[22:44] <andygraybeal_> yay, it's working
[22:44] <andygraybeal_> wow, it's very beautiful interface, i love the colors
[22:45] <canthus13> you two had said more in the past hour or so than I've seen in here in several months combined.
[22:46] <andygraybeal_> i wonder if it's considered noise.
[22:46] <andygraybeal_> but whatever, i have a hard time finding general channels on irc
[22:46] <canthus13> I don't... but if you ran this discussion on the mailing list, people would quit the Loco in droves.
[22:47]  * canthus13 thinks it's perfectly valid in here. :)
[22:47] <andygraybeal_> irc is for chat, i wonder if that will change?
[22:47] <canthus13> it's just nice to see some sort of discussion in here.. not just 'day changed xxx' for days on end.
[22:47] <andygraybeal_> if someone has something more ontopic, i will be quiet. :)
[22:48] <canthus13> :P
[22:48] <andygraybeal_> it's nice to find local people
[22:48] <andygraybeal_> i'm getting tired of huge channels
[22:48] <canthus13> andygraybeal_: but if you're looking for general chat, there's ##club-ubuntu, which is... frowned upon by the ubuntu irc council. (or elky, anyway, who thinks she IS the council...0
[22:48] <canthus13> but it's a fun channel with lots of general chat and bawdiness. :)
[22:49] <canthus13> there's also #ubuntu-offtopic for more restrained chat.
[22:49] <canthus13> and then there's here, where you're giving the appearance that this channel isn't dead. :D
[22:49] <andygraybeal_> i'm in the #colug  (columbus lug), #aalug (athens area lug), just entered the #reddit-columbus and this one :)
[22:50]  * canthus13 is in much more... irregular channels. :)
[22:50] <andygraybeal_> i'm just saying the local ones, that's what i like
[22:50]  * canthus13 nods.
[22:50] <andygraybeal_> oh also the #osu_osc channel
[22:50] <andygraybeal_> i'm stalking yano
[22:50] <canthus13> If there were a toledo channel, I'd be the only one in it.
[22:50] <andygraybeal_> hahaha :)
[22:50] <canthus13> what a coincidence! yano's stalking me. :)
[22:50] <andygraybeal_> i went to UT for like a semester
[22:51] <canthus13> fun place to deliver pizza.
[22:51] <andygraybeal_> haha, yes, i wonder if yano is stalking me as well
[22:51] <canthus13> he seems to have appeared in most of those 'irregular' channels that I frequent.
[22:51] <canthus13> ...maybe he's CIA.
[22:51] <canthus13> o.O
[22:51] <andygraybeal_> yes, i'm convinced.
[23:08] <andygraybeal_> paultag, http://gis3.oit.ohio.gov/geodata/ <-- motha load
[23:10] <andygraybeal_> my county is like 5GB :)
[23:10] <andygraybeal_> hahahahahha
[23:10] <andygraybeal_> this is awesome
[23:14] <paultag> andygraybeal_: hahaha, awesome