[01:52] <MutantTurkey> graphics card from 2001 whoya
[01:57] <MutantTurkey> err but now a problem
[01:57] <MutantTurkey> pretends not to see my other outputs
[01:59] <InHisName> graphics card from 1901 --> graph paper and pencil
[02:30] <mikedep333> MutantTurkey, lol, often the older graphics cards are the best supported
[02:31] <mikedep333> in fact, like 4 years ago I bought a Radeon x700 (released in 2004) because that series of chipsets was so well supported by the open source ATI drivers
[02:32] <mikedep333> oh, speaking of antiquated tech
[02:32] <mikedep333> I'm cleaning out stuff in my room & my brother's room in my dad's house.
[02:32] <mikedep333> because he will be selling it soon to move in with his girlfriend
[02:32] <mikedep333> and I found a pocket dictionary!
[02:32] <mikedep333> *electronic
[02:33] <mikedep333> it had the qwerty keyboard and all, and the passive LCD screen
[02:33] <MutantTurkey> mikedep333: YES
[02:33] <MutantTurkey> seriously
[02:33] <MutantTurkey> it's awesome
[02:33] <MutantTurkey> has 3 outputs
[02:33] <MutantTurkey> pretty impressive for 2001
[02:33] <MutantTurkey> beats the gforce2
[02:33] <mikedep333> which one?
[02:33] <mikedep333> or chipset
[02:34] <mikedep333> in 2002 I bought a Geforce 4 MX440 in stores
[02:34] <mikedep333> I should have bought a Geforce 3 Ti 200 for a few dolloars more online
[02:34] <mikedep333> the 4 MX series was actually based on the Geforce 2 series
[02:35] <mikedep333> it was directx7 rather than directx8 (which actually had some pixel & virtex shaders)
[02:35] <mikedep333> (usable under opengl)
[02:47] <MutantTurkey> don't you hate when you remove the fan to see how hot your P4 will get then forget to put it back in and your system chrashes
[02:47] <MutantTurkey> lol
[02:54] <mikedep333> lol
[02:54] <mikedep333> better than with an Athlon XP
[02:54] <mikedep333> where your chip could get permanently damaged
[02:55] <mikedep333> although with a P4
[02:55] <mikedep333> it's supposed to merely slow down
[03:19] <MutantTurkey> yeah it just stlows down
[03:19] <MutantTurkey> i had a few athlons
[03:19] <MutantTurkey> none of them are still around
[09:47] <rmg51> Morning
[10:23] <JonathanD> Morning
[12:59] <InHisName> morning
[13:27] <adom> morning all
[13:28] <adom> dunno if anyone here can help me out, but i think there's someone on our network screwing around with packet sniffing or something...i think so because no email account sites will load on the network.
[13:28] <adom> only happeneing in our building, and only on email sites; outlook.com, hotmail.com, aol.com, mail.com, etc
[13:28] <adom> gmail working fine for some reason
[13:29] <JonathanD> well thats a little more than fishy.
[13:29] <JonathanD> At what point is it failing?
[13:29] <adom> i dont want to jump the gun, but this seems like someone trying to intercept requests for email sites
[13:29] <JonathanD> dns?
[13:29] <adom> the page looks like its loading but then the page is empty
[13:29] <adom> just a white page with the full URL
[13:30] <JonathanD> but does it resolve to the correct address in the first place? :)
[13:30] <adom> yeah
[13:30] <adom> outlook.com resolves to the full address you'd normally see
[13:30] <JonathanD> By building, what do you mean?
[13:30] <JonathanD> Work appartment, or what?
[13:30] <adom> intel studies department. where i work as sysadmin.
[13:30] <adom> 80+ machines including servers
[13:30] <adom> our own domain
[13:30] <JonathanD> well, crud.
[13:31] <JonathanD> Do you have websense or something similar?
[13:31] <JonathanD> adom: you said outlook.com comes up blank?
[13:32] <adom> the page is blank, yeah
[13:32] <adom> never heard of websense
[13:32] <adom> googling
[13:33] <JonathanD> websense is a filtering thing. There are others.
[13:34] <adom> well, aol.com is giving a server not found error
[13:35] <adom> wait, wait
[13:35] <adom> i might have jumped the gun...it looks like only outlook.com/hotmail.com are acting weird
[13:35] <adom> aol.com is coming up server not found for some reason, but it looks like it might be unrelated?
[13:35] <JonathanD> outlook and hotmail are on the same stuffs. I think.
[13:39] <adom> yeah
[13:40] <jedijf> my wife couldn't get to her hotmail yesterday
[13:41] <jedijf> i didn't explore/care part of the ignoring while looking attentive routine that i've mastered, but now that you mentioned it.......
[13:42] <JonathanD> I get an error going to outlook.com about my account being invalid.
[13:42] <JonathanD> I don't think I have an account, so I don't know what thats about.
[13:45] <InHisName> both send me to outlook.live.com  login page
[13:54] <adom> hmm
[13:55] <adom> so can anyone validate the outlook.com/hotmail.com are working fine for them?
[13:55] <adom> also anyone that can confirm aol.com is up and running fine?
[13:55] <JonathanD> aol works for me.
[13:55] <JonathanD> outlook.com is doing something odd.
[13:55] <adom> explain pls
[13:55] <adom> or pic
[13:56] <JonathanD> I get a white screen for a while.
[13:56] <JonathanD> 30 seconds or so
[13:56] <adom> does the blank screen go away?
[13:56] <adom> cuz thats what im getting
[13:56] <JonathanD> Then The Windows Live Network is unavailable from this site for one of the following reasons:
[13:56] <JonathanD> It does go away.
[13:58] <JonathanD> and then I get error message
[13:59] <adom> thats pretty much exactly what we're getting here and on my home network (im ssh tunneled in to my home server), except we dont get the error after 30 seconds
[13:59] <adom> it just stays blank
[13:59] <JonathanD> I think it's borked, adom
[13:59] <JonathanD> I can try from another net, if you want, though.
[13:59] <adom> sure id appreciate it if you have the spare time
[14:00] <JonathanD> assuming my server isn't asleep...
[14:00] <adom> wake it up!
[14:00] <JonathanD> my server is asleep.
[14:00] <JonathanD> blargit.
[14:00] <JonathanD> let me try tunneling to my NAS instead.
[14:01] <JonathanD> Or maybe my internet is down...
[14:01] <JonathanD> something isn't working right ,thats for sure.
[14:01] <adom> thats what you get for trying to help someone, your own network goes down
[14:01] <adom> that'll teach ya
[14:03] <jedijf> adom: i just logged in to msn
[14:03] <adom> i just took my phone of wifi and tried and outlook.com and aol.com are loading fine for me
[14:03] <adom> wtshit
[14:05] <adom> to me, this feels like some script kiddie on my network trying to redirect login.live.com requests to his own phishing site or something, but when SSH tunnelled into my home machine i get the same thing
[14:05] <adom> i wonder if packet sniffing/redirection still works on SSH tunnelled browsers?
[14:06] <JonathanD> depends on where it's done, I suppose.
[14:06] <adom> i mean, its just SSH tunnelling via command line, not full VPN...
[14:08] <JonathanD> are you tunneling to a proxy?
[14:08] <JonathanD> via ssh?
[14:08] <adom> yeah, tunnelling to my home server via ssh
[14:08] <adom> then set up firefox to use localhost and tunnel port.
[14:08] <JonathanD> The only way I can think of that would be intercepted, is if it's done on your local machine.
[14:08] <adom> i know its working because i checked the IPs
[14:08] <JonathanD> like, via malware.
[14:09] <adom> right. unlikely. linux.
[14:09] <JonathanD> once your traffic is in the ssh tunnel, it can't very easily be tampered with.
[14:09] <adom> good point tho
[14:09] <adom> yeah
[14:09] <JonathanD> can you tunnel to somewhere else?
[14:09] <adom> probably, unsure where to try tho
[14:16] <rmg51> everything seems to be working from my end
[14:17] <adom> yeah we're talking on the phone with main campus IT to see whats going on. they say they're loading it fine, but they just did network work this weekend when all this started happening
[14:18] <adom> starting to sound like a case of the other IT department not wanting to admit they screwed something up
[14:19] <adom> to explain; we have our own servers/network (dns, AD, GPO, etc etc), but its under main campus' DNS/network
[14:19] <adom> we have our own domain, and they have their own domain
[14:19] <adom> we have our own IP address as well
[14:19] <adom> but any network work they do affects us
[14:20] <adom> so if they, say, change their DNS server somehow, they might mess with DNS settings for us and not realize it.
[14:22] <adom> It's really weird though, in the 2.5 years I've worked here as sysadmin, main campus IT has NEVER made a mistake. Or at least they've never admitted to one...
[20:13] <MobileTurkey> yeesh need moar ram
[20:13] <MobileTurkey> this process is sucking down all of my 16 gigs.
[20:14]  * adom doesn't have more than 4GB on any of his systems. :(
[20:14] <adom> techinically 3.5 or whatever for the 32bit ones
[20:14] <adom> i.e. all but my mint system i just installed
[20:16] <MobileTurkey> adom: 64bit does have some advantages :-)
[20:16] <adom> def
[20:17] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: you have 16 on lappy?
[20:17] <jedijf> or worky?
[20:17] <JonathanD> whew
[20:17] <MobileTurkey> worky
[20:17] <adom> i just need a decent 64bit machine with 64GB of RAM
[20:17] <MobileTurkey> not my worky
[20:17] <JonathanD> That'd sure be nice.
[20:17] <MobileTurkey> this guy doesn't even work here any more and its still his machine
[20:17] <adom> couldnt you technically do that with a USB flash drive used as RAM?
[20:17] <MobileTurkey> i am stuck on this PPCiece of hell machine and there's a dual processor quad core Xeon sitting 10 feet away with a 5 foot screen
[20:17] <MobileTurkey> :|
[20:18] <JonathanD> you could use a USB flash as swap. It probably wouldn't work that well.
[20:18] <adom> yeah prob not
[20:18] <jedijf> backwards
[20:18] <MobileTurkey> i was like "professor since i'll be doing all of my processing on his machine, should I just move over there" " oh no just ssh in"
[20:18] <adom> haha
[20:19] <jedijf> lol ... no intern germs
[20:19] <adom> off to job #2
[20:32] <jedijf> lol cop just kicked a car that drove by him too closely
[20:33] <MobileTurkey> lol
[20:52] <MobileTurkey> this guy is doing heavy math based computational stuff and didn't even have SSE enabled or any optimization level
[20:53] <MobileTurkey> not to mention ran everything in the gdb debugger.