[06:37] ping ralsina, do you know if bug 946626 will be fixed before precise? Or should I try to modify the translations to make them fit? [06:37] Launchpad bug 946626 in Ubuntu One Control Panel "ubuntuone-control-panel does not adapt to length of translated messages" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946626 [08:05] Happy Tues^WWednesday, all! [08:23] morning! [11:19] good morning [11:22] gatox, morning! [11:22] gatox, can I ask you to do reviews and let me know the errors you get when running the ubuntuone-control-panel tests, I get all green.. [11:22] gatox, I suspect you will get issues :P [11:23] mandel, jeje ok [11:23] gatox, you don't have a static ip or something so that I could get an account in that machine, right? [11:24] gatox, would be more efficient than this hehe [11:24] mandel, nop [11:24] gatox, fuuuuuuu [11:24] :) [11:28] gatox, here are the MP for the reviews, each of them fixes a subset of the failing tests (so that the changes were not too big): [11:28] https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-broken-tests/+merge/99770 [11:29] https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-webclient-tests/+merge/101410 [11:29] https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-activation-tests/+merge/101411 [11:44] ralsina, ping? === teknico_ is now known as teknico [12:46] good morning! [12:46] mandel: pong [12:47] ralsina, I think we are very close to start merging the windows tests fixes and get sso pasing tests on jenkins, can I have some reviews? [12:47] mandel: sure! [12:47] * mandel ralsina mas, echame una mano para que alecu y dobey miren lo de u1-dev-tools :) [12:47] mandel: let's do it now before I spend the rest of the day doing perf. reviews :-/ [12:48] mandel: sure, will do [12:49] ralsina, ok, so, ideally, you need to add to you path lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver [12:49] ralsina, which fixes adds a number of test cases to clean the resource properly [12:49] ralsina, and the mp are: [12:49] https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-broken-tests/+merge/99770 [12:49] https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-webclient-tests/+merge/101410 [12:49] https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-activation-tests/+merge/101411 [12:51] mandel: ok, this is going to take a while ;-) [12:52] ralsina, I know.. [12:53] I could do a code review and let gatox do the actual test runs since he has the evil vm [12:53] and I really don't want to boot into windows [12:53] ralsina, yep.... i'm doing that already [12:53] ralsina, sure! [12:53] ralsina, i'm mandel's bot [12:53] ralsina, just don't accept them cause we need the devtools landing first :) [12:54] gatoxit's better than being mandel-brot [12:54] ralsina, BUAH, chiste matematico.. [12:56] mandel: yes. But it's because Mandelbrot is DEAD [12:56] or mandel-broth [12:56] that would be bad [12:56] ahhhhhhhh now i understand [12:57] i thought that maybe was something nassty... and i was afraid to ask :P jeje [12:58] lol [13:02] mandel: this code is a bit out of my depth :-/ [13:02] ralsina, ok, no worries [13:02] mandel: I am very unfamiliar with the code, and I suspect I don't understand the real problem [13:11] ok, time for my lunch! [13:15] i need to do some important errands..... i'll be back in a while (i'll stay a little more today) === gatox is now known as gatox_brb [13:20] ping ralsina, do you know if bug 946626 will be fixed before precise? Or should I try to modify the translations to make them fit? [13:20] Launchpad bug 946626 in Ubuntu One Control Panel "ubuntuone-control-panel does not adapt to length of translated messages" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946626 [13:20] trijntje: we didn't fix it in time, sorry :-( [13:21] trijntje: we'll try to make a SRU for it soon after release, though [13:21] ralsina: ok, thanks, good to know. I'm not sure if I'll be able to squeeze the translation even more, so maybe I'll just leave it as it is and wait for the fix [13:22] trijntje: great, thanks for trying [13:25] ralsina: sure, thank you for looking into it ;) [13:25] oh crap [13:25] perf reviews [13:27] hola mandel! === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:29] the b^Hpeer reviews are due today === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:51] briancurtin: pig [13:51] I mean ping [13:51] ralsina: pong [13:51] briancurtin: how about we do a windows release today? :-) [13:51] briancurtin: I want to go through all the steps with you so I don't have to do it anymore ;-) [13:52] ralsina: i like the sound of that [13:52] briancurtin: 1) we need to do a patch for this branch with the version numbers updated: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-windows-installer/update-from-trunk/+merge/101466 [13:52] briancurtin: this release is 3.0.0 [13:54] ralsina: so should i start by building installers based off of trunk, plus the Cloud To Computer hack branch from yesterday, plus this branch, plus 3.0.0 version change? [13:54] briancurtin: no, we'll do it from the stable branch + that hack branch [13:54] ah [13:54] briancurtin: this patch is to make dobey merge it into stable with the correct version numbers [13:55] ralsina: *what* version number exactly? [13:55] dobey: the XML that builds the installer contains the version number (used for many things, including installer filename) [13:56] dobey: also, it appears in windows' "installed software" thingie [13:56] another thing we should automate [13:57] ralsina: i can change that xml file when i bump the version in the setup.py [13:58] ralsina: so that doesn't need to happen in this branch [13:59] dobey: on what setup.py? [13:59] dobey: the one on windows-installer? [13:59] ralsina: yes [14:00] for doing eg. ./setup.py sdist to make the tarball :) [14:00] dobey: but we have not you know, writtten the code to do that. If we don't do it on this branch, we will be building the release from something that is not tagged [14:00] dobey: that's not how this thing works [14:00] ralsina: huh? [14:00] dobey: that's not even remotely close to how this thing works ;-) [14:00] ralsina: i think you are confused [14:00] ralsina: this branch has no tag [14:00] dobey: probably [14:01] ralsina: when i make the tarball, i will commit the version bump to the branch by hand, and tag it [14:01] dobey: I want to use the tarball we are "releasing" of -windows-installer to build this release for windows [14:01] dobey: ah, ok then [14:01] dobey: all the places that need touching on version bump are described in the README [14:02] ok [14:02] hopefully ;-) [14:02] ralsina: unless i'm mistaken, should i wait for dobey to make the tarball and commit the version bump before proceeding? [14:02] briancurtin: yes, that is right [14:03] ralsina: and re: your comment on the ubuntuone-client branch; i thought we agreed to leave that as-is and rely on revnos.txt for now, and we'd automate/fix that issue after precise [14:03] briancurtin: i think you also need to wait for the releases of ubuntuone-control-panel and ubuntuone-client as well, which aren't done yet [14:03] dobey: just for this once, so the user gets the correct version on the logs, please? [14:03] dobey: then we automate it after P [14:03] ralsina: ok, but i'll also do that with the version bump of configure.ac, rather than in this branch [14:04] dobey: fine by me, +1ing both branches then [14:04] ok [14:04] and there's also https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-control-panel/update-from-trunk/+merge/101470 [14:04] if you hadn't noticed it yet :) [14:05] dobey: there, +2 on those, looking at u1cp now [14:10] dobey: +1 on u1cp [14:11] ok. as soon as they land, i'll get the tarballs done. then work on getting the uploads done [14:12] and hopefully actually get the peer reviews done today as well [14:12] dobey: if I missed one, let me know [14:12] dobey: I have to do 14 allhands tasks today. Gonna be a long day [14:13] * mandel back [14:14] alecu, buenos dias! [14:14] dobey, :) [14:14] hola mandel! [14:14] you'll love this one: [14:14] "Teacher: Billy, can you say the word ‘politics’ in a sentence?" [14:14] "Billy: Sure, Polly the Parrot swallowed a clock and now Polly ticks." [14:15] alecu, hahahahaha [14:15] hahah [14:15] alecu, yes I do hehe [14:21] hi mandel [14:21] dobey, hello! how is it going? [14:21] dobey, do you have a busy day, can I beg for reviews? [14:21] i have a very busy day, yes [14:22] and yes, your branches are on my list to review :) [14:22] dobey, cool, but if you have a busy day, we can wait 'til tom, I know there is work to be done for the linux review [14:22] mandel: but first, i will have to review *you* [14:23] dobey, sorry I ment linux release [14:23] dobey, just say I'm hairy :P [14:23] dobey, and I can't spell hehe [14:23] yep, need to finish releases, and do perf reviews [14:25] So, my mom uses Ubuntu One a lot. Has relied on it for quite a while for note taking, and has built up an extensive number of notes. Hundreds? [14:26] Just wanted to say I'm a little disappointed w/ you guys for pulling a Google and just killing off a service that people had become dependent on. You'd think you could at least just hide it for people who aren't using the notes sync :( [14:26] You know. do it a bit more slowly. Or. Maybe, and Google at least does this, give like a 6 month warning period so people can try to find an alternate service without something they rely on vanishing. [14:26] And, yeah, I know that Ubuntu One tomboy sync still works, but without the ability to access notes from work, she's crippled. [14:26] So now I'm reading the API trying to figure out how hard it would be to reimplement a subset of the functionality you removed :( [14:30] back === gatox_brb is now known as gatox [14:31] nemo, yeah, it was a really hard decision to make. We did broadcast it many months before, maybe we should of done a better job at communicating, sending out emails [14:31] nemo, essentially, it had a lot of problems and users were loosing data [14:31] fixing it was a huge amount of work, which we can't afford to invest [14:32] nemo, but you are right, it's really bad that we have to shut it down [14:33] beuno: correct place to do it is in the Notes interface [14:33] ideally a migration path to an alternately hosted service [14:33] nemo, indeed, and we're building a notification capability into the website [14:34] or sharing the code you used for the notes interface [14:34] would simplify my task now of replacing it [14:34] a rewrite will be tedious [14:34] well. how hard is it to build in a notification. edit the template for the website, add "Hey! We are shutting this down in 6 months!" [14:34] nemo, well, the problem is it's based on top of couchdb, couchdb really doesn't scale well [14:34] * nemo sighs [14:34] so we've shyed away from sharing the code [14:34] well. I only need it to function for one person :) [14:34] there's no need for it to scale, at all [14:35] ohhh [14:35] wait. what? [14:35] You still support notes sync! [14:35] so the db is still active! [14:35] yeah [14:35] If I trigger an API call, from my website, you'll still honour it [14:35] assuming she is authenticated... [14:35] yeap [14:35] so. how have you solved the load issues? [14:35] all the people still using tomboy notes are still syncing [14:36] also. I find it amusing that couchdb did not scale well, given one of the arguments of the anti-SQL crowd (pardon me, NoSQL) is that their databases scale better :) [14:37] alecu, just in case: http://www.mapofthedead.com/ [14:37] nemo, well, added more hardware and shut down a few services, shelved a few new ones we've had. As it stands, it works well most of the time, working hard to build U1DB to replace it [14:37] hm [14:37] nemo, it was amusing to us as well. Well, amusing may not be the right word :) [14:37] beuno: does this mean if I tell her to wait a few months, it might come back? [14:37] nemo, and this is not NoSQL in general, this was specifically couchdb :) [14:38] beuno: eh. I'm sticking w/ PostGreSQL :-p [14:38] alecu, dobey: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver can use reviews [14:38] nemo, well, we may not bring back a notes web ui, so I wouldn't count on that, no [14:38] beuno: hrm :-/ [14:38] alrighty, sooo. gonna have to write some kind of replacement [14:39] ralsina, looking [14:39] the problem is Yahoo! is probably less likely to survive than Ubuntu [14:39] nemo, but we will make it easy for others to build these applications :) [14:39] and Google shut down theirs [14:39] And the nice thing about ubuntu is it synced to a desktop app [14:39] was really convenient that way [14:39] kind of a unique service [14:39] indeed [14:39] it wasn't something we looked forward to doing [14:40] in the end, there's only so much we can do with a small team [14:40] well. migration path, and actually editing the website to put a notice in [14:40] would have done a world of good [14:40] yes, learn and improve :) [14:40] the latter one would have taken... 1 minute? [14:40] oh well :-/ [14:40] briancurtin, there is nothing like XVFB on windows, right? [14:40] beuno: oh. and super super nice. leaving it active for people who have a ton of notes in sync [14:40] and just hiding it for everyone else [14:40] mandel: i'll have to look up xvfb...no idea what it is [14:40] beuno: you could still do that one actually ;) [14:40] surely that would avoid load issues [14:40] nemo, the problem is, people were loosing data [14:40] mandel: ohh, no there isn't [14:40] nemo, so leaving it on was a terrible experience [14:40] I heard about that [14:40] but she wasn't :) [14:40] m'k [14:41] mandel: at least as far as im aware of [14:41] briancurtin, ins rendering on a buffer the ui, it might not exist.. [14:41] beuno: so. it'd be even better then if I synced to something other than UbuntuOne - rehosted it all on my machine [14:41] beuno: is the codebase for ubuntuone open sourced by any chance? [14:41] briancurtin, mandel: you could use a terminal server and rdp for it but it would be incredibly annoying [14:41] mandel: it might be because im not a UI guy, but i've never heard of anything like that [14:42] nemo, not the server, no [14:42] durn [14:42] * nemo ponders [14:42] ugh. guess I'll just have to reimplement the API on my local SQL db :-/ [14:42] nemo, and why not just use tomboy? [14:42] beuno: she *DOES* use Tomboy [14:42] she uses tomboy a lot [14:42] ralsina, briancurtin I wanted to remove the need to draw the ui in the tests on the screen, but nevermind [14:43] the problem is she counts on all the hundreds of items she inserted into tomboy to be accessible when she's not at her ubuntu machine [14:43] beuno: that means, when she's signed into a web browser at the hospital [14:43] nemo, I see, remote access [14:43] aquarius, any ideas here? ^ [14:43] beuno: I guess I'll start with a read-only interface to ubuntu one. a basic one might be as simple as a bookmarklet [14:43] I'll checkout your file upload. maybe I can insert a web page that when clicked on does local XHR [14:44] ralsina: yes, the branches are on my list; but priorities :) [14:44] beuno: then, look into replacing the read/write [14:44] nemo, beuno I though that he could simply install http://live.gnome.org/Snowy and the do a webui on top of that if needed [14:44] * aquarius reads the backscroll [14:44] mandel: I checked that out [14:44] I saw "alpha" [14:44] and "you will lose data" [14:44] and thought I'd look into alternate stuff [14:44] mandel, back again.... connection problems [14:44] nemo, beuno, since couchdb is an implementation detail for us and AFAIK we use the snowy protocol and store in couchdb [14:45] nemo, so, is it important that your mum can *edit* notes from a browser? [14:45] aquarius: well. read is most critical [14:45] if I could restore that to her, she'd be a lot better off [14:45] I don't know if she often edits from work, but I imagine it'd be nice [14:45] nemo, OK. Take a look at u1.to [14:45] gatox, can you pull from the fix-activation branch and run the tests again? [14:45] aquarius: does tomdroid sync notes with u1? [14:45] mandel, yep! [14:45] aquarius: oh. cool! [14:45] though i guess cell phone + hospital might not be acceptable [14:46] aquarius, is u1.to open source? === gatox_ is now known as DiegoSarmentero [14:46] nemo, it's a private project by Chipaca and I -- it's not an official Ubuntu One thing. However, it has (very rudimentary) read-only access to your notes. === DiegoSarmentero is now known as gatox_ [14:46] aquarius: sweet sweet sweet [14:46] thank you very much [14:46] I want to call her right now, but she's probably still asleep [14:46] timezones and all [14:47] nemo, the code for u1.to is at launchpad.net/youoneteeoh, so if you're a hacker and are interested in improving the notes support, I'd love to help you with that -- I want to myself (I liked the web UI for notes, too, for my mobile phone) but I just haven't had time [14:47] nemo, does your mum have a smartphone, or is she using an actual on-computer browser? [14:47] aquarius: actual computer. but I think she has a smart phone too [14:47] I just don't think it works in the hospital (shielded) [14:47] I believe her phone is running android [14:47] we don't meet that often :) [14:48] she actually installed ubuntu on her laptop herself [14:48] she loves it, apart from the "grey screen of death" as she terms it where occasionally her X session freezes up. I need to look into that [14:48] nemo, on Android, there are two apps which sync notes (sort of) with U1: tomdroid and Chalk. Neither are great yet (they're both under-resourced), and they're both read-only, but they may be alternatives [14:48] I'd recommend updating from 11.04 except, well, she despises the Unity interface. I got a panicked phonecall from her after her 11.04 upgrade [14:48] and XFCE4 is not nearly as friendly as gnome 2 [14:49] nemo, so, u1.to exists and is already there, but I need to stress that it's a private project run by chipaca and I, not something official, so it might crash or be unavailable or whatever :) [14:49] aquarius: hm. 'k. [14:49] aquarius: eh. I'll mention [14:49] you're a dev, so you are probably semi-official anyway [14:50] nemo, the notes code in u1.to uses the Snowy notes API, so if you wanted to write a separate notes app and maintain its uptime yourself, that might be a place to start; the notes API isn't hard, is documented at http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy/Synchronization/REST/1.0, and u1.to is an example of using it from a django view :) [14:50] dobey, mandel, alecu, gatox, briancurtin, thisfred_ (and Harry!) : standup in 10' [14:51] aquarius: yeah. the API seemed so easy, that that was why I thought a bookmarklet might be practical [14:51] aquarius: editing, seemed a bit more problematic, even if I didn't support the XML internal to the note for things like links [14:51] yo! [14:51] nemo, hopefully there's enough there that your mum can either use one of the existing things or that you're able to use our APIs to provide for her; if you're interested in building your own thing (or hacking on u1.to's code) then I'd be more than happy to give some pointers or advice on that === gatox_ is now known as gatox [14:52] nemo, yeah, one of the big reasons that the U1 web app for notes became unmaintainable is that it's very, very hard to translate Tomboy XML into editable HTML and then back into Tomboy XML again, losslessly. [14:53] well [14:53] she doesn't really need HTML [14:53] a text-editor only would be fine, apart from the links syntax [14:53] And the links syntax isn't that critical. [14:54] nemo, yeah; if you are prepared to limit her to a subset, then something which translates tomboy XML into, say, Markdown format (or just text) would be relatively easy to do, I agree [14:54] deciding whether I want to do that is part of why I haven't had time to continue with u1.to's notes view :) [14:54] tomboy XML can contain arbitrary things (Tomboy plugins can define their own XML tags to go in notes, for example) [14:54] yeah. I don't think she uses any plugins [14:55] she just wanted searchable notes on her machine that were available "in the cloud" [14:55] ok. she uses the sync plugin, but apart from that... [14:55] defining a limited syntax (that is: saying "if you use this weird thing in your notes, the web notes view will blow up") makes the problem quite a bit easier; that's not something we can define at an Ubuntu One level, obviously, but in a more limited case like u1.to or a standalone server that you write, it's potentially doable :) [14:55] is funny how many notes interfaces there are online that just overcomplicate this concept. like google thinking that google docs was a good replacement for google notes [14:55] nemo, I agree with you entirely on that point :) [14:56] aquarius: well. not blow up. but "strip the weird syntax leaving you with a plain text note" [14:56] that seems relatively easy to do [14:56] text is more critical than markup. losing text is bad [14:56] supporting links might not be too hard [14:56] aquarius: do you have the code to u1.to somewhere? [14:56] I'm a relatively extensive tomboy user, and in all these years and 100+ notes I've used lists and strikethrough and very occasionally bold and italic and that's it; I don't even use links, myself ;) [14:56] nemo, yep, the code is at launchpad.net/youoneteeoh [14:57] oh. right [14:57] thanks [14:57] aquarius: hm. since you use those things, have you looked into supporting those features? [14:57] nemo, so, as I say, if you're interested in building something or hacking on an existing something like u1.to, then I'd be happy to give pointers. Hopefully u1.to itself will at least partially alleviate the problems [14:57] one thing with online RTEs is they generate crap HTML [14:57] nemo, I have looked into supporting them -- the reason I have not is purely a matter of time. [14:58] so converting back to XML leads to exploding bad docs [14:58] aquarius: eh. first thing is to see how well read-only satisfies her needs :) [14:58] Hedgewars sucks up a ton of time. especially during GSoC [14:58] and of course work [14:58] nemo, yeah, what I'd probably want is somethnig which translates tomboy XML into markdown. All HTML RTEs are dreadful (see earlier point about reasons that the Ubuntu One notes web view was hard to maintain) [14:58] and family [14:59] aquarius: yeah. wiki syntax would be more than adequate [14:59] translating to markdown would be fine for *me*, certainly, but I'm not a typical person, I'm a developer :P [14:59] aquarius: naw. she'd have no trouble w/ that [14:59] ordinary people instinctively use * for bullets already [14:59] kudos to your mum, then :) [14:59] well. she did install ubuntu herself :) [14:59] she's in her late 50s sooo. \o/ [14:59] ok. I installed it the first time, but she's really gotten used to it [14:59] me [15:00] me [15:00] nemo, nice! [15:00] she even figured out how to rip a DVD herself :) (noooo, not illegally - some preacher she likes) [15:00] went to ubuntu software centre, installed dvd rip, put file on desktop [15:00] figured out that doubleclicking on it in gnome offered an option to play it... [15:00] nemo, so, if you run into problems or want to hack on stuff, you can find me here, or various other places (twitter as @sil and http://kryogenix.org/contact) [15:01] m'k. welp. thanks. been a big help already [15:01] my dad's grasping that sort of level of dealing with technology, to his credit [15:01] I told her about u1.to, and I'll take a look at your code [15:01] nemo, excellent! [15:01] nemo, you're a python hacker? [15:01] me [15:02] aquarius: naw. I despise python. sorry [15:02] mandel, alecu ralsina dobey ? [15:02] but I modify it as needed. [15:02] meh [15:02] me [15:02] aquarius: herm. python. so is this hosted in mercurial? :) [15:02] nemo, no worries -- the reason I ask is that u1.to is python/django. What's your tool of choice? (Implementing something which talks to the notes API will be fairly trivial in any language, and there are openid and oauth libraries for pretty much anything these days) [15:03] me [15:03] ok....... i'll go..... alecu last [15:03] aquarius: eh. I'm flexible. For web interface I'd probably pick PHP, but other options are Java and Perl. I *have* been considering doing more w/ node.js though. [15:03] DONE: [15:03] Fixed remove current device issue, Fixed opening syncdaemon only when it's necessary, Run A LOT of tests for mandel :P. Working on Bug #973702 [15:03] TODO: [15:03] Finish with Bug #973702 keep fixing some UI issues. [15:03] BLOCKED: [15:03] nemo, although if you wanted to build something *just* for your mum then you could hardcode one of her oauth tokens into it and then just slap basic auth on the front and put it on nemo.com or wherever ;) [15:03] No [15:03] Launchpad bug 973702 in Ubuntu One Control Panel trunk "The "Settings" panel should have its items set to wrap" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973702 [15:03] thisfred_, go [15:03] DONE: wrapped up lp:~thisfred/u1db/c-SPLIT_ALL_THE_WORDS / started on improving tests TODO: finish test improvements BLOCKED: no NEXT: briancurtin [15:03] DONE: mostly finished the first rev of installer automation, had a half day so that's it [15:03] TODO: finish up this installer script, prepare windows release once its ready [15:03] BLOCKED: none [15:03] NEXT: dobey [15:03] me [15:04] nemo, although if you wanted to build something *just* for your mum then you could hardcode one of her oauth tokens into it and then just slap basic auth on the front and put it on nemo.com or wherever ;) [15:04] yep. got it :-p [15:04] herb, looks like people from cordoba like standups :P [15:04] oops, double entry :) [15:04] λ DONE: releases [15:04] λ TODO: finish releases, uploads, peer reviews, reviews, SRUs, finish u1db packaging [15:04] λ BLCK: none. [15:04] mandel: go [15:04] DONE: Read a lot about ssl certs. Added an extra deferred to make tests cleaner. Proposed all branches to fix the sso tests. [15:04] TODO: look at the failures in control panel and u1-client. Talk with briancurtin and start automating things. [15:04] BLOCKED: no [15:04] COMMENTS: country is going down to hell, is fun to watch :) [15:04] ralsina, please [15:04] DONE: some allhands, reviews TODO: 14 more allhands tasks, reviews, guide brian through windows release process BLOCKED: allhaaaaaaaaaands! NEXT alecu [15:04] DONE: reviews, 1-1, resumed working on security bug [15:04] TODO: keep working on security bug, discuss some issues regarding this with mandel [15:04] BLOCKED: no [15:05] joshuahoover: could you add briancurtin as a CC in the windows release RT? I am guiding him to lead it this time. Also, windows release today! ;-) [15:05] right, also DONE: 1-1 with alecu [15:05] ralsina: yep...and great news! [15:05] ralsina, and with me 1-1 [15:05] ralsina, busy day :P [15:06] gatox: he, and crappy memory [15:06] * ralsina forgot to take notes yesterday [15:06] * ralsina takes note: remember to take notes [15:07] ralsina, if only there was a note taking application that you could use in the web.. /cc beuno [15:07] hehehe [15:07] jejejeje [15:07] mandel, good one [15:07] mandel: I have a notebook just for that. [15:08] mandel: it's portable and never runs out of batteries [15:08] aquarius: WRT hardcoding oauth token. I didn't realise oauth worked like that. [15:08] mandel: can probably store like 200kb of notes! [15:08] I honestly haven't looked into the specifics of how it works [15:08] another "been meaning to" [15:08] ralsina, I loose the pen, which is like running out of batteries [15:08] aquarius: I figured tokens expired [15:08] nemo, there are three steps to oauth: get a request token, ask the user to authorise that token so that it can be swapped for a real access token, and thereafter use that access token to sign requests [15:09] nemo, so, if you're building a site thatanyone can use (as u1.to is) then your site needs to handle getting tokens for an arbitrary user [15:09] nemo, but if you're building nemosmumsnotes.com and no-one else will ever use it, you can just do the first two steps once and then hardcode the token into the backend ;) [15:09] cool [15:10] anyway: EOM [15:10] nemo, not that I'd necessarily *recommend* this approach, but if you're not interested in building a public tool but instead just want to help your mum (which is reasonably noble in itself) then why not :) [15:10] heh [15:10] And people: remember your allhands deadlines! [15:10] aquarius: well. I'd *like* to help the public, but, resources are limited :( [15:11] nemo, I know the feeling; I have exactly the same problem, which is why u1.to's notes view is unformatted and incomplete and sometimes a bit broken and read-only. :) [15:11] aquarius: I like to think that my contributions to Hedgewars and Mozilla and Audacious Media Player and various debugging and patches on free software stuff [15:11] has built up sufficient karmic balance ;) [15:11] aquarius: heh. I kinda noticed ;) [15:11] nemo, you're already ahead of the game, then ;) [15:11] aquarius: the publish interface is kinda neat [15:11] shame the formatting gets blown up [15:12]