[00:12] <len-1204> frewsxcv, welcome, what atsraljava was not saying is that he has a project waiting for you ;-)
[00:17] <astraljava> len-1204: Yeah, I'll ease him slowly back in. :)
[00:17] <astraljava> len-1204: We need to discuss about that one of these days anyhow, I'm not sure I've understood the other problem correctly.
[00:18] <len-1204> astraljava, I am actually thinking of a few bits of code we could use...
[00:18] <len-1204> Whihc problem is that?
[00:18] <len-1204> s/Whihc/Which/
[00:19] <astraljava> len-1204: The second problem with gcdmaster, not the gtk3 porting.
[00:19] <len-1204> Ok, I didn't know there was a second problem.
[00:19] <astraljava> I've probably just read the emails too quickly, and will most likely 'get it' when I read them with thought, but since you're here now...
[00:19] <astraljava> Hmm... let me check the correspondence again.
[00:20] <len-1204> I was saying that both the gnome bits and the gtk2 bits need changing.
[00:20] <astraljava> "So this is mostly GUI stuff? So two porting issues, G2 and gtk2 to gtk3."
[00:20] <len-1204> I got the idea the reason it was being dropped was because the gnome2 libs were going away.
[00:21] <astraljava> Oh ok, yeah I haven't really looked that into why it was dropped.
[00:22] <len-1204> So it is one problem, but there are the two parts, change gnome2 to gtk3 and I think there is gtk2 stuff as well.
[00:24] <len-1204> I think gtk2 is still there for now, but if changes are to be made better to look to the future.
[00:25] <astraljava> For sure. Yeah sadly I can't find very technical info regarding the dropping, other than 'GNOME 2 libs going away'. Oh well, we'll find out when we start hacking. :)
[00:27]  * astraljava finds it amusing to pour coffee into a black mug in poor lighting
[00:28] <len-1204> astraljava, is there another browser besides firefox and chrome?
[00:30] <astraljava> len-1204: What do you mean? There are plenty.
[00:30] <len-1204> I just put opera in, but I would like to find something more open. Firefox still has a bug converting time to system format.
[00:30] <len-1204> Yeah, I want something firefox like... other than firefgox that doesn't dragn in
[00:30] <len-1204> lots of libs
[00:31] <astraljava> Oh ok. Well, there's midori, whatever they call the KDE4 browser these days, and many other webkit-based ones.
[00:31] <len-1204> I was trying to stay away from pulling the kde libs.
[00:32] <len-1204> Is there a debian or gnome project?
[00:32] <astraljava> epiphany and midori might work for you.
[00:33] <len-1204> I'll try thanks.
[00:33] <astraljava> What's the firefox time issue?
[00:35] <len-1204> It is a javascript thing that takes server time and changes it to my local time in system format. It gets the date, month and year mixed up.
[00:35] <len-1204> So every message in january is dec 1.
[00:35] <len-1204> It works fine in other browsers...
[00:36] <astraljava> gah...
[00:36] <astraljava> Is that why the threading breaks on your messages?
[00:36] <len-1204> I put a bug in but have heard nothing back
[00:36] <len-1204> I have finger trouble ;-)
[00:37] <len-1204> I sometimes follow the forums at permies.com
[00:38] <astraljava> :) No I mean your responses to a thread don't follow the headers, and appear as new.
[00:38] <len-1204> here? or in email?
[00:39] <astraljava> Email. :) Hahah! Just realized the source of confusion and the rather hilarious response. :D
[00:40] <astraljava> What do you use for emailing? A webmail site?
[00:40] <astraljava> Doesn't really matter, but it helps people sorting mail by threads, to follow the conversation.
[00:40] <len-1204> Email would be my client which is squirrel mail.
[00:41] <astraljava> Ok. squirrel doesn't seem to respect headers. Bad rodent.
[00:41] <len-1204> It may be the way I have it set up. The subject may be the wrong format
[00:42] <len-1204> It is our private webmail thing. It has been a great help for transfering files when away from home.
[00:43] <astraljava> Unlikely, it looks correct in mutt, but there are no headers left on your messages regarding the thread.
[00:43] <len-1204> Ah..
[00:43] <astraljava> Yeah like I said, it's no biggie, just was wondering about it.
[00:43] <astraljava> ...though now I just noticed that I've seem to delete the rest of the thread, apart from your latest response.
[00:45] <len-1204> I was deleting things for a while... now I have 28 pages of messages...
[00:51] <astraljava> Heheh. :) Yeah it's good to do a little spring cleaning every once in a while. :)
[00:52] <astraljava> I did the same on my hobby-related email and on the other-personal-things email. Now I'm down to ~5000 emails combined.
[00:53] <len-1204> After the release I will delete most of it. I guess it is logged somewhere anyway.
[00:53] <astraljava> Oh for sure. lists.ubuntu.com offers you archives of all the mailing lists.
[00:53] <len-1204> how come epiphany is a game?
[00:54] <astraljava> Heheh. :) Yeah sorry, the package is epiphany-browser. :) Forgot about it.
[00:55] <len-1204> Ok... try again ;-)
[00:58] <len-1204> I seem to have both installed... just have the game in the menu though.
[01:07] <len-1204> astraljava, both have the same *.desktop file name... so only one can be on the system at the same time if you want both on the menu.
[01:10] <astraljava> Hahah, smells like a bug report.
[01:28] <frewsxcv> astraljava: who's project lead nowadays
[01:31] <astraljava> Scott Lavender, aka ScottL or scott-work or scott-upstairs, depending on which alter-ego is present at any given time-of-day.
[02:30] <astraljava> TheMuso: Thanks for yet another upload of lowlatency! Why is the version numbering differing from the mainline, though? Not that it matters, just want to understand.
[02:33] <TheMuso> astraljava: Ok, so 3.2.0 should be self-explanetory. The 23, is the aBI number, which has to remain in line with the mainline kernel ABI number, for head sync. The number after that is the number of uploads of that 3.2.0 kernel. Alessio's version was already bumped a few, so I just left off from his packaging.
[02:36] <astraljava> Ok. Yeah wondered about the .31 vs. .36 but makes sense. Thanks again!
[03:25] <micahg> TheMuso: have you been in touch with alessio, he seemed to think there was some issue between the two of you
[03:27] <micahg> TheMuso: please see http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/30/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html
[04:01] <astraljava> ScottL: I better give you a heads-up already. It looks as if I won't have my own apartment yet by the time precise gets released, so I most likely won't be able to help ISO testing the candidates.
[04:10] <astraljava> ScottL: I could write to both mailing lists about this, as there's the special occasion this being an LTS release and all that. I'll wear my QA hat on while typing. :D
[12:49] <scott-work> astraljava: i saw your email, thank you very much, hopefully this will pull some people into testing
[12:50] <scott-work> plus we might consider just noting what things we are testing and started to get information about what we want to test
[12:52] <astraljava> scott-work: I've been meaning to write testcases more geared towards our distribution, but time permitting, I'll see what I can do.
[12:52] <scott-work> don't fret over it, it will get done, we just need to keep it in mind and get it done when appropriate :)
[12:53] <scott-work> i think people have worried too much about what should be done and overcommit
[12:53] <scott-work> my feelings are more toward the long view
[12:53] <astraljava> Sure. :) Well, I don't know whether you have this expression in English, but loosely translated from finnish, "Hunger grows while eating."
[12:53] <scott-work> i am hoping that user documentation, testing procedures, lowlatency maintenance, and a few other key issues will be address in the p-cycle
[12:53] <scott-work> aye
[12:54] <scott-work> i'm not aware of an enlish equivalent, but i believe i can udnerstand the sentiment
[12:54] <astraljava> You mean q, but yeah. Those should be addressed. I'm just itching to sink my claws into gcdmaster. :)
[13:53] <scott-work> oh, yeah, q-cycle :P
[13:53] <scott-work> good!  we certainly could use gcdmaster back
[13:54] <scott-work> but i think len, or ailo, or holstein proved that it can be done with ardour, cd markers, and brasero too
[13:54] <scott-work> but i know gcdmaster let's you make extensive manual changes as well
[15:49] <frewsxcv> if you guys have iso's available for testing, i'm willing
[17:07] <holstein> frewsxcv: its not even so much "you guys"
[17:07] <holstein> they get built
[17:07] <holstein> we dont really build them necessarily
[17:08] <holstein> so, they are there... there was a nice thread on the email list that astraljava put out about where/how to test
[17:08] <holstein> and we would greatly appreciate it frewsxcv :)
[17:09] <astraljava> frewsxcv: If you're not on the mailing lists, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com is the ISO tracker, dailies are being tested now. Images can be found at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current