[02:45] <malv> i <3 xubuntu
[02:46] <malv> a no-drama linux distro
[02:47] <malv> i think this will be the next distro for our research lab
[02:49] <GridCube> :)
[03:37] <n2diy> Recently my box went "crazy", to many problems to mention. The fix was "killall xfwm" and most things returned to normal. But now I can't view any videos on youtube or yahoo, etc... Ideas?
[04:35] <n2diy> My box went weird on me, I finally got it working again after killing my window manager, but now i can't play youtube videos or listen to pandora. I reinstalled adobe flash, but still no joy, help?
[04:35] <Unit193> After killall, I'd guess you started it back up? xfwm --replace works better as well.
[04:36] <Unit193> In terminal, type dpkg -l |grep flash   and apt-cache policy adobe-flashplugin
[04:36] <n2diy> Unit193, xfwm restarted on its own, ok on the term commands.
[04:37] <Unit193> I'll need to see it, pastebin should work.
[04:38] <n2diy> ! pastebin
[04:38] <Unit193> pastebin.com
[04:41] <n2diy> Been awhile since I used pastebin, let me try again.
[04:42] <n2diy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/924329/
[04:43] <n2diy> Unit193, that's the first command, do you need the second one too?
[04:44] <Unit193> Just tell me that it told you a version and I'm good.
[04:45] <n2diy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/924331/
[04:45] <Unit193> I see.  sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer  is my attempt, flash has been giving issues but I personally have seen none.
[04:46] <n2diy> Unit, ok, purge the installer?
[04:46] <Unit193> Err... Do you have Natty or Maverick? That shows both as repo.
[04:46] <Unit193> Yep, but not adobe-flashplugin
[04:46] <n2diy> Unit193, umm, 11.04.
[04:47] <Unit193> After you purge, restart the browser and try again.
[04:48] <Sysi> try rm -rf ~/.macromedia
[04:49] <n2diy> Unit193, ok, Sysi, let me try the restart first.
[04:50] <Sysi> what browser are you using btw?
[04:52] <n2diy> Sysi, Firefox.
[04:52] <n2diy> Things are getting weird again, pandora tries to load, but times out. When I try and close the pandora tab, Firefox closes.
[04:53] <n2diy> Disregard my last, loose nuts behind the controls here.
[04:54] <Unit193> !info pianobar
[04:55] <Unit193> Hmmm... Actually, natty won't have an updated one, I don't think.
[04:57] <n2diy> Unit193, ok, still no joy with pandora or videos.
[04:58] <n2diy> Should I try removing /.macromedia?
[04:59] <Unit193> I've got nothing else, so yep.
[04:59] <n2diy> Unit193, done, logout, restart?
[04:59] <Unit193> Just restart the browser.
[05:00] <n2diy> k
[05:02] <n2diy> Unit193, no joy.
[05:16] <n2diy> Unit193, I'm installing seamonkey, maybe things will work with that?
[05:17] <Unit193> Get Chrome.
[05:18] <JacobVengeance> Get Chromium*
[05:18] <n2diy> Unit193, didn't like Chrome, seamonkey is ready, let me give it a try.
[05:18] <Unit193> JacobVengeance: I said Chrome.
[05:18] <Unit193> n2diy: I also don't, but it comes bundled with pepperflash.
[05:19] <JacobVengeance> Unit193, I improved it.
[05:20] <Unit193> Not if it doesn't come with the part that would actually fix it, no.
[05:20] <n2diy> Unit193, seamonkey crash trying to open pandora!
[05:21] <malv> lightdm is taking forever to start for some reason
[05:21] <malv> on the beta
[05:22] <Unit193> malv: I've heard of that, no idea though. Have you tried #ubuntu+1?
[05:24] <n2diy> Unit193, seamonkey crashes trying to open facebook, think I ought to log out and in again?
[05:24] <Unit193> I don't know at this point, I can only now say to try Chrome as it has pepper. :/   Worth a shot though.
[05:26] <n2diy> Unit193, I'm going to log out and in, if that doesn't work I'll try chrome.
[05:29] <n2diy> Unit193, ok, going to remove seamonkey, and install chrome.
[05:30] <Unit193> Sorry mate, I got nothing else.
[05:31] <n2diy> Unit193, np, where do i get chrome, synaptic isn't aware of it?
[05:31] <Unit193> https://www.google.com/chrome?platform=linux
[05:31] <n2diy> k
[05:33] <maoranma> Chrome is Google's software, so most repos don't include it, you can sometimes find Chromium however, which is the open source version, iirc
[05:33] <Unit193> Correct, but it doesn't have pepperflash.
[05:34] <Unit193> The goal is flash, not getting chrom{e,ium} as he doesn't like it all that much.
[05:34] <maoranma> Oh, right
[05:35] <bazhang> !find chromium-browser
[05:35] <bazhang> !info chromium-browser
[05:35] <bazhang> not to be confused with chromium
[05:36] <Unit193> Heh, that's quite true.
[05:36] <bazhang> !info chromium
[05:36] <bazhang> whoopsie
[05:37] <bazhang> missed the -bsu
[05:37] <Unit193> !info chromium-bsu
[05:37] <bazhang> heh
[05:38] <JacobVengeance> Did you try Midori for the flash problem?
[05:43] <n2diy> Unit193, ok, DLed chrome, extracted it, and it's not in my menus now, and won't start from the terminal?
[05:43] <Unit193> Did you get the .deb?
[05:44] <Unit193> It should install rather than extract.
[05:44] <Unit193> (If you don't want Google's repository, do "sudo touch /etc/default/google-chrome" before installing the package.)
[05:44] <n2diy> Unit193, ok, DLed the deb to my home dir., and then right clicked on it, and said extract here.
[05:45] <Unit193> Open a terminal and type   sudo dpkg -i {Deb file here} && sudo apt-get install -f
[05:46] <n2diy> k
[05:46] <Unit193> bazhang: (Or is that not the preferred way? gdebi isn't installed by default that I know of)
[05:47] <bazhang> Unit193, why the install -f ? it should install fine with the first command
[05:48] <Unit193> That's in case it's missing any depends by chance, and it'll do nothing if there aren't.
[05:50] <bazhang> n2diy, why not just add the repo if you are going to use chrome
[05:51] <Unit193> I gave the option as it doesn't ask, I didn't tell him either way.
[05:51] <n2diy> Unit193, ok, through an error on libcurl3 not found, installed that, re-ran the commands, everything looked ok, but still no menu item and 'chrome" not found in the terminal.
[05:52] <KiLLaBytE_> n2diy: it's 'google-chrome'
[05:52] <n2diy> ah
[05:52] <Unit193> Wow, that works.
[05:55] <n2diy> ok, google-chrome is running, now i have to figure out how to navigate it. This is why I didn't like it two years ago.
[05:56] <Unit193> I still don't. :P
[06:00] <n2diy> Unit193, pandora is playing! Firefox is munged?
[06:01] <Unit193> n2diy: Different flash versions, crappy adobe.
[06:02] <n2diy> Unit193, oh, I didn't want to hear that.
[06:02] <Unit193> <Comment redacted>
[06:05] <Unit193> So you're all fixed up except the fact you'll have to use Chrome to get flash for now?
[06:05] <n2diy> Unit193, yea, and missing Firefox. :)
[06:06] <n2diy> that and the yahoo video I wanted to watch was moved somewhere! :/
[06:06] <KiLLaBytE_> i'm pretty sure you can modify Firefox's config to use Flash. In Chrome, type chrome://flash to see where libflashplayer.so lives, then use that in Firefox's about:config
[06:07] <Unit193> Flash was detrected, just wasn't working.
[06:07] <Unit193> Pepper flash is what Chrome used.
[06:07] <n2diy> KiLLaBytE_, ok, getting late here, I'm going to chill, and then hit the sack. Tomorrow, who knows, maybe I'll learn to like chrome?
[06:20] <n2diy> With Firefox I can click on the right side of the address bar, and my frequently visited websites are listed, can chrome do that?
[06:26] <KiLLaBytE_> n2diy: in Chrome you can see "most visited" sites on a new tab, as well as recently closed tabs
[06:50] <baizon> guys i have a problem :(
[06:50] <baizon> i cant install libreoffice
[06:53] <baizon> damn :(
[07:06] <forestpiskie> baizon: why?
[07:08] <baizon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/924433/
[07:10] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update   and do you have any odd repos listed in sources.list or under sources.list.d/?
[07:10] <baizon> no
[07:10] <forestpiskie> I got it all here - 12.04 - got an update this morning
[07:11] <baizon> forestpiskie: and did libreoffice made and upgrade?
[07:11] <baizon> an*
[07:11] <forestpiskie> yep all ok
[07:11] <baizon> hmm
[07:12] <forestpiskie> did it in synaptic - but I've not had broken packages at all
[07:13] <baizon> ok
[07:13] <forestpiskie> just tried to install the rest of libreoffice - I only have some of it - all fine here
[07:16] <baizon> not working with synaptic
[07:16] <baizon> getting the same error
[07:17] <forestpiskie> which package is holding it up then?
[07:18] <baizon> all of them
[07:21] <forestpiskie> baizon: I assume this is 12.04 - what standard repos do you have DISABLED
[07:21] <baizon> all are enabled
[07:21] <baizon> i got this bug
[07:21] <baizon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/978499
[07:21] <forestpiskie> I have backports and proposed disabled
[07:22] <forestpiskie> I'll enable them and see if I get the same then
[07:22] <baizon> i have proposed disabled
[07:22] <baizon> but backports enabled
[07:22] <forestpiskie> ok
[07:24] <forestpiskie> seems to be fine here
[07:25] <forestpiskie> installed
[07:25] <baizon> ok
[07:25] <forestpiskie> mind you I'm not 64bit
[07:27] <baizon> now i got it
[07:27] <baizon> yes indeed
[07:27] <baizon> libreoffice-core : Depends: libreoffice-common (> 1:3.5.2) but 1:3.5.1-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
[07:27] <baizon> thats the problem
[07:27] <forestpiskie> k
[07:30] <baizon> now its working
[07:30] <baizon> thank god :)
[07:31] <forestpiskie> :)
[10:54] <martinphone> odd: after alt+f2 nautilus my desktop shows itself with the background I used back in ubuntu, no more blue trees background...
[10:58] <pAt_> martinphone, not only that, if you right click on the desktop then, you will have the u
[10:58] <pAt_> ubuntus dialog
[11:00] <martinphone> pAt_, ? I only see a short menu, including the option to change background
[11:00] <martinphone> how odd, I can sort icons by name...
[11:01] <martinphone> thats not a xubuntu feature...
[11:01] <ablomen> martinphone, natilus should have something like a --no-desktop option, check nautilus --help
[11:02] <ablomen> nautilus, by default, also handles the desktop
[11:02] <ablomen> which it should not do in xfce
[11:03] <martinphone> ablomen, my crappy installation at work
[11:04] <martinphone> im copying 5gb of data, but I dont the the transfer rate, can that be done? I only see a time estimate
[12:35] <saurabh_123> Hello, how can we install xfapplet in xubuntu?
[12:35] <saurabh_123> its not present in synaptic
[12:38] <saurabh_123> anybody?
[12:44] <csenger41> hey
[12:44] <csenger41> anyone could help me setting a 5 button mouse to double with one of the side buttons?
[12:49] <SandJ> @saurabh_123: would you achieve what you want by installing the xfce4-goodies package?
[12:49] <saurabh_123> its not present in xfce-goodies packages
[12:50] <saurabh_123> already checked
[12:50] <qpnaosc> hello
[12:57] <cupiepop\\> hello?
[13:00] <cupiepop\\> hello???????
[13:01] <Pici> hi.
[13:01] <cupiepop\\> finally
[13:02] <cupiepop\\> how do you like the new Xubuntu?
[13:02] <Pici> New?
[13:02] <cupiepop\\> how old is it then?
[13:03] <Pici> Are you referring to the beta of 12.04?
[13:04] <cupiepop\\> no i did not even know that was out yet.
[13:18] <qpnaosc> hello
[13:18] <qpnaosc> how is everyone?
[13:18] <babble> :)
[13:19] <qpnaosc> I'm having trouble booting up
[13:19] <qpnaosc> was wondering if anyone could help
[13:21] <babble> can you see your boot volume if you boot from a livecd?
[13:23] <qpnaosc> erm
[13:23] <qpnaosc> boot volume?
[13:23] <babble> what happens right now, if you try and boot your system? what error message are you getting?
[13:23] <qpnaosc> I can't boot from a live cd, it keeps telling me "boot failed: press a key to retry"
[13:23] <babble> that's likely trying to boot from your internal disk, which probably just needs a grub repair.
[13:24] <qpnaosc> "error: out of disk"
[13:24] <babble> have you used the BIOS screen to actually switch to a different device when attempting to boot from CD?
[13:25] <qpnaosc> my boot hierarchy has CD drive first
[13:25] <qpnaosc> what do you mean, switch to a different device?
[13:25] <babble> and you're still getting errors when booting from a known-good livecd?
[13:25] <qpnaosc> yes
[13:26] <babble> it may be worth making a new live system to boot from.
[13:26] <qpnaosc> true
[13:26] <babble> download a fresh ISO and make a live USB thumb drive
[13:26] <babble> give yourself a 1-2gb casper writeable filesystem on the thumb drive and install boot repair on it when you get to a desktop
[13:27] <qpnaosc> I really think it's something to do with my computer, however
[13:27] <babble> boot repair will scan your grub setup on the nonworking internal drive and reinstall grub
[13:27] <qpnaosc> I used another disk to reinstall xubuntu on one of my hard disks in the hope that it would repair itself
[13:27] <babble> that's an outside possibility, but it's worth at least trying from a newly-downloaded live image first
[13:27] <babble> if you've done a clean installation of xubuntu and you still can't boot, that does sound like a hardware issue.
[13:29] <qpnaosc> now I'm only getting two options in my boot device priority list
[13:30] <qpnaosc> CD/DVD and Network:IBA
[13:31] <babble> sounds like the internal drive may be having issues.
[13:31] <qpnaosc> internal drive? what does that mean?
[13:33] <qpnaosc> damn, I don't want to get a new computer
[13:33] <qpnaosc> it gives me a grub rescue promp
[13:33] <qpnaosc> t
[13:33] <babble> your hard drive, the disk you've been booting from the whole time.
[13:33] <babble> then the drive is there.
[13:33] <qpnaosc> yes
[13:33] <babble> you need to boot from a livecd, and run boot-repair, as I said.
[13:33] <qpnaosc> well, I'll try to find another livecd
[13:34] <qpnaosc> it's just that I'm not sure I trust this computer to burn another livecd
[13:34] <babble> it will be easier if you do as I suggested and make a live USB thumbdrive to boot from
[13:34] <babble> give yourself 1-2gb of room for a writable filesystem on the usb drive (you'll see this as an option in startup disk creator)
[13:34] <babble> in that writeable area, you can install additional applications.
[13:35] <babble> https://launchpad.net/~yannubuntu/+archive/boot-repair
[13:35] <qpnaosc> I'm looking at this page:
[13:35] <qpnaosc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300647
[13:35] <babble> I'm not going to slog through a forum thread, sorry.
[13:35] <babble> I have done what I'm suggesting.
[13:35] <qpnaosc> ok
[13:39] <Jameson> hello :)
[13:39] <Jameson> it`s normal that xubuntu live cd asks user name and password
[13:39] <Jameson> btw version 11.10
[13:40] <babble> the livecd should boot directly to a desktop
[13:41] <Jameson> tnx , but where is problem then ?
[13:41] <babble> have you tried booting from a different, known good livecd or live usb drive?
[13:42] <qpnaosc> I'm downloading xubuntu livecd right now to put on my thumb drive
[13:44] <Jameson> this problem is with USB
[13:45] <Jameson> i put xubuntu on USB pendrive
[13:46] <babble> how did you make the usb drive?
[13:48] <Jameson> with usb startup disk creator
[13:48] <saurabh_123> jameson try unetbootin
[13:49] <babble> most of the time, startup disk creator will do the right thing. occasionally something hangs. try remaking your live system and see if you get the same issue.
[13:49] <babble> that or unetbootin is a fine option.
[13:50] <Jameson> i`m remaking it now
[13:54] <qpnaosc> being somewhat of a noob, I am being confused by the internet
[13:54] <qpnaosc> I have the ISO downloaded
[13:54] <qpnaosc> I'm on a mac
[13:54] <qpnaosc> and when I click on it, a thing comes up saying "no mountable file systems"
[13:54] <qpnaosc> I'm trying to put it on my USB drive
[13:55] <babble> unetbootin for OS X is here:
[13:55] <babble> http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/568/unetbootin-mac-568.zip/download
[13:55] <babble> you cannot simply try and mount the image
[13:55] <babble> you need to make a bootable system
[13:55] <qpnaosc> ok, thanks
[13:55] <babble> are you attempting to install linux as a dual boot system on your Mac or are you installing linux on a PC?
[13:55] <qpnaosc> I'm installing linux on a PC
[13:56] <babble> unetbootin will build a live system to install from
[13:57] <qpnaosc> right
[13:58] <qpnaosc> it's automatically telling me that the drive to install it to is /dev/disk1s1
[13:58] <qpnaosc> should I trust it? This isn't my computer
[13:59] <babble> you need to a) insert a usb thumb drive and b) use Disk Utility on OS X to find the BSD mountpoint for that USB drive
[13:59] <babble> disk1s1 is the first mounted disk, first partition, i.e. typically your internal hd
[14:00] <babble> if the USB drive is the only other mounted drive on your system, it will likely be disk2
[14:00] <qpnaosc> ok, thanks
[14:01] <qpnaosc> I've got the USB drive inserted and OS X is recognizing it
[14:01] <babble> open Disk Utility
[14:01] <babble> look in Applications > Utilities
[14:01] <babble> mounting the USB drive on the desktop isn't necessarily important
[14:04] <Jameson> well i recreate it with this startup disk creator and it works
[14:04] <qpnaosc> ok, it looks like /dev/disk1s1 is the USB drive
[14:12] <qpnaosc> babble, xubuntu is starting up from the usb
[14:13] <qpnaosc> well, it was... yes, it is now
[14:13] <qpnaosc> damn, where is my mouse
[14:14] <qpnaosc> ok, this is good
[14:17] <qpnaosc> thanks for your help, babble
[14:17] <qpnaosc> how do I install boot repair once I've got xubuntu running?
[14:22] <qpnaosc> ah, okay, the link
[14:26] <cupiepop\\> hi again
[14:26] <cupiepop\\> hello????????????
[14:28] <cupiepop\\> hello??????????????????????????????????
[14:28] <cupiepop\\> is anybody here????
[14:29] <Pici> There are always people here, but you aren't going to get help by just asking 'is anyone here'
[14:30] <cupiepop\\> does Xubuntu 12.04 have a unity version
[14:32] <martinphone> whats the point? if you want unity use ubuntu
[14:32] <maoranma> Xubuntu is for Xfce, hence the X.
[14:32] <martinphone> mao + ranma?
[14:33] <martinphone> ranma as in yappapa yappapa yisansei?
[14:34] <maoranma> Ranma as in "reckless horse"
[14:34] <maoranma> But I'm familiar with the anime, yes
[14:37] <maoranma> martin + phone, phone as in... RING RING RING RING RING RING RING, Bananaphone! Boopdoopdodoopeidoop!?
[14:38] <Nick> hi i am nick
[14:38] <maoranma> Hello... Guest26242.
[14:38] <Guest26242> Hello
[14:38] <cupiepop\\> hello my name is my nick
[14:39] <cupiepop\\> i have two NASA passwords
[14:40] <martinphone> lol
[14:40] <cupiepop\\> and i am going to launch a empty rocket into the ocean
[14:40] <bazhang> !ot
[14:40] <cupiepop\\> enjoy your extra taxes...
[14:40] <cupiepop\\> lal
[14:40] <cupiepop\\> lol
[14:40] <bazhang> cupiepop\\, thats enough
[14:41] <cupiepop\\> ok
[14:41] <cupiepop\\> what does !ot mean?
[14:41] <qpnaosc> hello
[14:41] <bazhang> cupiepop\\, read the message following it..
[14:41] <Guest26242> Hello
[14:42] <qpnaosc> babble, I have tried your suggestions
[14:42] <cupiepop\\> hello
[14:42] <babble> did you install boot-repair in the live system?
[14:42] <qpnaosc> yess
[14:42] <qpnaosc> sorry, yes
[14:42] <Guest26242> i live in New York
[14:42] <babble> did boot-repair say that it was able to successfully repair grub on your internal drive?
[14:43] <Guest26242> babble we can`t help you
[14:43] <nitropop> i live in the rockies
[14:43] <babble> Guest26242: I'm not asking for help.
[14:43] <bazhang> Guest26242, thats not helpful
[14:43] <qpnaosc> yes, it did
[14:43] <qpnaosc> so I rebooted
[14:43] <bazhang> nitropop, I've asked you to stay on topic
[14:44] <qpnaosc> sadly, I got the error: out of disk again.
[14:44] <babble> qpnaosc: if you're still having trouble booting from the internal drive, it sounds like you may be having a hardware issue.
[14:44] <Guest26242> why can`t i see
[14:44] <nitropop> ok i will.... what is the topic of this channel?
[14:44] <qpnaosc> with the hard disk itself, babble?
[14:44] <bazhang> Guest26242, did you have an actual support question?
[14:44] <babble> qpnaosc: that's what it sounds like, unfortunately.
[14:44] <bazhang> nitropop, xubuntu support
[14:44] <Guest26242> Nay
[14:44] <babble> I can't say for certain, but it sounds as if it may be
[14:45] <nitropop> o ok
[14:45] <Guest26242> i am being asked too many questons
[14:45] <bazhang> Guest26242, #xubuntu-offtopic for chit chat NOT here
[14:46] <Guest26242> bye
[14:46] <qpnaosc> hmm. it's just that more than one of my hard disks appears to have stopped working at the same time
[14:46] <babble> qpnaosc: that's a little unusual, but I've had it happen, on occasion.
[14:46] <nitropop> i am going to spit fire at babble
[14:46] <qpnaosc> gparted can see them
[14:46] <nitropop> topic gone
[14:47] <qpnaosc> when I open it from the live cd
[14:47] <ubder> Hi! is this the right place to Chit Chat?
[14:47] <qpnaosc> ffs
[14:47] <bazhang> ubder, you know its not
[14:47] <ubder> what does ffs mean
[14:47] <babble> qpnaosc: parted may well be able to see that you have a drive installed, but there may be something else going on.
[14:48] <qpnaosc> for f***'s sake, ubder.
[14:48] <qpnaosc> ah
[14:48] <ubder> i am going to kill
[14:48] <ubder> Just kidding
[14:48] <qpnaosc> babble, do you know how I could check that out? Or should I just get a professional to look at it?
[14:49] <babble> qpnaosc: hardware issues I'm largely useless at, sorry
[14:49] <babble> you'll very likely want to have it seen to
[14:49] <ubder> we are chit chating not asking questons
[14:49] <ubder> smem
[14:50] <qpnaosc> ok
[14:50] <qpnaosc> thanks
[14:50] <qpnaosc> I might see if I can find anything under grub rescue commands, or would that be redundant?
[14:50] <istok> bazhang, i have a question, not about xubuntu, but about what just happened. - 1) do you have to @ inorder to remove the user 2) how do you do that, as it wasn't a ban, you made them part.
[14:50]  * istok is curious
[14:51] <ubder> hi ouyes!
[14:51] <babble> qpnaosc: I think it's likely redundant
[14:51] <babble> qpnaosc: did you do a full grub reinstall in boot-repair? (look in the grub tab)
[14:51] <qpnaosc> as soon as I rebooted, it asked me to remove the boot device, and now I've lost the program, so I'll have to reinstall, I think
[14:51] <babble> in any case, did you say that you've done a full, clean reinstallation of xubuntu on that drive and it's stil lnot bootable?
[14:51] <ubder> grub did you mean grubs?
[14:52] <qpnaosc> yes
[14:52] <babble> if it's still not bootable, I suspect it's a hardware problem.
[14:52] <ubder> where is automan?
[14:53] <qpnaosc> right
[14:54] <ubder> is your butt big or smakll
[14:54] <ubder> i mean small
[14:55] <istok> oh, so you're not even going to answer me.
[14:56] <bazhang> istok, #ubuntu-irc if you wish to discuss
[15:02] <qpnaosc> thanks for your help, babble :)
[15:02] <babble> qpnaosc: sorry I wasn't actually helpful. :/
[15:04] <qpnaosc> hah, you were, my computer could have been a lot more helpful, though.
[15:04] <babble> hehe :)
[15:22] <justakill> with xubuntu 64bit the version of python that comes with it is 32bit or 64bit?
[15:24] <babble> justakill: the actual python package is processor dependent:
[15:24] <babble> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/python2.7
[15:24] <babble> there are built packages for amd64 (x86-64) and i386 (x86)
[15:25] <Sysi> i686 packages are available for 64bit too, they can be used with 32bit libs
[15:25] <Jameson> hey guys , can you give me some idea  for my english lesson pesentation ? ( my topic linux, but i want specific)
[15:26] <babble> Sysi: is there a particular reason I want to run 32-bit python on a 64-bit system?
[15:27] <Sysi> if you want to test app on 32bit python?
[15:27] <bazhang> Jameson, ##english would be more appropriate
[15:27] <babble> ahh, of course :)
[15:58] <lovehappens> anyone here to help ??
[15:58] <lovehappens> can i install macbuntu on my xubuntu 12.04 ?
[16:06] <babble> the sourceforge description says it will install on a debian/gtk based system, so probably.
[16:06] <babble> however, the packages in the files section are marked 10.04 and 10.10, so I suspect that they've been packaged on Ubuntu 10 releases.
[16:07] <babble> it looks like it's doing a collection of compiz settings to emulate an OS X-like UI
[16:12] <lovehappens> yes when i apply that method it says compatibilty issues
[16:13] <babble> like I said, just from guessing at the version numbers on the packages on sourceforge, I would guess that it was built on Ubuntu 10.
[16:16] <lovehappens> yes you are right
[16:16] <babble> if that's the case, it's likely that it depends on various bits of Ubuntu 10
[16:17] <babble> or particular compiz configs in Ubuntu 10
[16:17] <lovehappens> hmmm
[16:17] <lovehappens> so i have to wait untill they come up witha new one for 12.04
[16:18] <babble> unless you know what you're doing, making a customized compiz configuration and hand-configuring whatever else it's using, that's probably your best bet
[16:18] <lovehappens> can you tell me how can i register my nick on mirc ?
[16:18] <lovehappens> i m new to linux don't know anything about it yet. so i guess i should wait.
[16:20] <Artemis3> perhaps you should ignore the script, and start using the theme, adjust window manager settings, bottom panel, etc.
[16:21] <babble> there's nothing they're doing that you *can't* do by hand.
[16:21] <Artemis3> with XFCE moving the window buttons to the left is a simple drag and drop operation (unlike stupid gnome)
[16:21] <babble> if you haven't yet, install compiz config setting manager.
[16:22] <babble> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[16:23] <Artemis3> they also copy the fonts and logo, not sure how legal is that lol the gtk theme is the most visual changing aspect
[16:23] <Artemis3> and the icons and window manager settings
[16:24] <Artemis3> i think the background image for the panel as well
[16:24] <Artemis3> i usually don't bother, mac looks isn't that important ^^
[16:25] <babble> apple's customized versions of Myriad and Lucida Grande are likely copyrighted, but others are easily obtainable.
[16:25] <babble> OS X and Apple logos will get them in trouble if anybody ever starts paying attention
[16:27] <lovehappens> hmmm
[16:27] <lovehappens> i just pasted that command for package manager
[16:28] <babble> no, compiz config settings manager.
[16:30] <lovehappens> yup
[16:30] <lovehappens> 94 % done
[16:32] <martinphone> where do I edit internet preferences? its not in settings
[16:34] <babble> which internet preferences do you mean?
[16:35] <babble> if you mean your network connection preferences, the network manager is in the Settings group in Xubuntu
[16:35] <babble> Apps > Settings > Network Connections
[16:36] <lovehappens> i can not see my volume in the tray :-/
[16:37] <babble> the notifications area in xubuntu doesn't show volumes by default
[16:38] <lovehappens> i dont know
[16:38] <lovehappens> may be i hv done something with it
[16:38] <justakill> i was wondering which version of python you get in synaptic with xubuntu?
[16:38] <justakill> pygame sorry
[16:39] <martinphone> babble, is for editing proxies
[16:39] <justakill> i guess all packages are processor dependant?
[16:39] <justakill> as babble told me before
[16:40] <babble> justakill: things that are packaged python *scripts* are processor independent, because the run on top of the installed python on your system.
[16:40] <babble> justakill: the actual python interpreter will be 64-bit by default on a 64-bit xubuntu installation.
[16:41] <babble> martinphone: if you have gnome control center installed, you can edit the systemwide proxy settings in Network
[16:42] <martinphone> babble, there is not a default xubuntu app for doing so?
[16:43] <babble> martinphone: the network control should be installed by default, as is the gnome settings manager, if I recall correctly.
[16:43] <martinphone> ok... ill look for it
[16:44] <justakill> babble: What do they mean by this "windows 64bit users note: use the 32bit python with this 32bit pygame"? On xubuntu i don't have to worry about this?
[16:44] <babble> justakill: you likely *do* need to use 32-bit python.
[16:45] <babble> install ia32 libraries and the 32-bit python packages.
[16:46] <justakill> babble: thx i will look into it
[16:46] <babble> in synaptic, look for ia32-libs and install that, plus its dependencies.
[16:46] <martinphone> justakill, are you in 64bits?
[16:46] <justakill> martinphone: yes
[16:47] <martinphone> ill be too in a week or less...
[16:47] <babble> then, in synaptic, install the python2.7 package marked :i386
[16:47] <martinphone> I never though I would be needing 32bits architerture..
[16:47] <justakill> babble: seems to be installed already probably installed a 32 bit program already and it had this as required
[16:48] <babble> I use some 32-bit apps in a 64-bit xubuntu installation. it works just fine.
[16:48] <babble> if you have ia32-libs installed already, install the 32-bit python as well
[16:49] <babble> you'll need to specify a path to the 32-bit python interpreter instead of the regular launcher for your 32-bit dependent app
[16:49] <justakill> babble: yea was going to ask you how both python will work together
[16:50] <babble> by default, your paths and ldconfig should be set up to use 64-bit python if you just do python /path/to/something.py on the commandline or from a launcher.
[16:51] <babble> but you should be able to do /path/to/python-32 from the commandline and pass /path/to/something.py on launch
[16:51] <justakill> babble: hmm i can't find the python 32bit
[16:51] <babble> I'm looking at it in synaptic right now.
[16:51] <babble> python2.7:i386
[16:54] <justakill> babble: when i click for install it seems to want to uninstall everything including firefox stuff like that???
[16:54] <babble> well, don't do that
[16:54] <babble> try just launching the game with your installed python and 32-bit libs installed.
[16:54] <justakill> babble: yes i figured
[16:56] <justakill> babble: well i know it can run, its just i'm having bad framerates was wondering if it had anything to do with that
[16:56] <babble> I can't say for certain, but I don't think so
[16:56] <justakill> babble: but as you say its python modules basically it shouldn't be affected by the 64 bit interpreter
[16:57] <justakill> babble: well i would think
[16:57] <babble> justakill: most of the time, that's true.
[16:57] <babble> justakill: in some specific cases (games would be one) it's likely that they're calling a library or something that's compiled
[16:58] <francesco_> Hi, I have a problem with the soundcard. I cannot hear anything even tough all the controls in alsamixer are at the max level.
[16:58] <justakill> babble: ok
[16:58] <matteo75fe> how does the ping command? Thank you.
[16:59] <martinphone> hi there matteo75fe , ciao!
[16:59] <matteo75fe> hi
[17:00] <matteo75fe> you open the "mixer" then select the controls you check and see that under the mute.
[17:01] <francesco_> no, the controls aren't muted.
[17:01] <francesco_> double checked
[17:02] <babble> have you tried killing pulseaudio?
[17:02] <babble> pulseaudio -k
[17:02] <babble> in a terminal
[17:02] <matteo75fe> I have a question: if I leave it open on your router for port 6667 irc, risk an unwanted intrusion?
[17:03] <martinphone> babble, im about to format a USB stick with the idea of making a bootable one with xubuntu 12.04 beta 2 64 bits and, during the process, nuking my machine, can I make the bootable stick with EXT4 or must it be FAT32 or NTFS?
[17:03] <francesco_> babble, there's no such process
[17:03] <babble> Startup Disk Creator will do a FAT formatted volume, as that should be compatible with the widest range of pc's
[17:03] <babble> francesco_: try launching it in a terminal and see what error you get
[17:04] <martinphone> francesco_, didnt the live cd-usb had an option to make a fresh installation by deleting all that is stored in the machine?
[17:06] <francesco_> babble, if you wrote an answer, could you please paste it again? I missed it
[17:06] <martinphone> francesco_, didnt the live cd-usb had an option to make a fresh installation by deleting all that is stored in the machine?
[17:06] <matteo75fe> by by I go to dinner..
[17:06] <babble> francesco_: try launching it in a terminal and see what error you get
[17:06] <francesco_> babble, pulseaudio?
[17:06] <babble> yes
[17:07] <francesco_> babble, no errors
[17:08] <martinphone> how long can make startup disk last in erasing an 8GB USB Stick?
[17:08] <babble> it should have given you a pid for the pulseaudio daemon
[17:08] <francesco_> babble, now it works :D
[17:08] <babble> there you go :)
[17:08] <babble> pulse just didn't launch for one reason or another.
[17:08] <francesco_> babble, so I have to find out if it will start on next startup
[17:09] <babble> it should.
[17:09] <babble> there's either an init or an upstart job for it
[17:09] <francesco_> I'll reboot and check, see u later
[17:09] <babble> the daemon probably just crashed.
[17:09] <babble> that happens sometimes.
[17:11] <Artemis3> it might also be bad to unmute ALL controls, sometimes one of them needs to be muted (if spdif or such) to work...
[17:12] <francesco_> babble, everything's fine, thank you!
[17:13] <babble> the pulseaudio daemon probably crashed for one reason or another. it happens.
[17:24] <twoten> I just installed xubuntu and I get a blank screen with no signal when grub starts until the desktop appears
[17:24] <twoten> and when I try to switch to a console like ctrl-alt-F4 the screen is blank as well
[17:25] <twoten> no wait, I get a text screen at the consoles
[17:26] <twoten> but I need to boot into recovery mode so I can set user and root passwords
[17:26] <twoten> but grub show a blank screen as well as the bootup time
[17:27] <twoten> it seems like there's no one here doesn't it?
[17:32] <Artemis3> !patience | twoten
[17:32] <Artemis3> you could try changing your grub config, force a resolution (eg 640x480)
[17:33] <Artemis3> twoten, just edit /etc/default/grub and comment out the # in #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
[17:36] <Namib> Artemis3, Yeahhhh!!! now works!!
[17:36] <Namib> Artemis3, i love you! thank you very very much!
[17:37] <Artemis3> good, but do you see things after grub before login?
[17:38] <Artemis3> oh well nvm
[17:39] <Namib> grub let me choose from some Xubuntu and Xp
[17:39] <Artemis3> yes then your problem is solved?
[17:39] <Namib> i've tried to choose xp and works, now i try to choose Xubuntu
[17:41] <Namib> Yes I think!
[17:41] <Artemis3> good
[17:41] <Namib> Now seems to work everythings right
[17:41] <Namib> I'm really taknful to you!!
[17:41] <Artemis3> glad to help
[17:43] <Namib> :) I hope to be useful me too one day!
[17:43] <Namib> Good bye
[17:50] <Mokura> I have a question: since bold Verdana looks awkward in bold/bold italic in certain sizes upward, is there any way to write a .fonts.conf rule to replace that font only in those cases?  Or is global font replacement the only method possible?
[17:50] <Mokura> as in: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration#Replace_fonts
[18:19] <martinphone> is it normal that startup disk last for an hour (and counting) deleting the disk?
[18:23] <martinphone> what does org.freedesktop.UDisks.Error.Inhibited: Daemon is inhibited mean? from make startup disk
[18:25] <martinphone> gtg now
[18:26] <iliketurtles_> hey guys my new llano has a gltich where I get a black screen upon booting xubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 beta 2,   I am not going to spend 10 hours trying screw with the CLI to fix it.   So I have a spare Radeon 5670 and a Nvidia GT 240,  for linux who has the better drivers at the moment
[18:27] <baizon> i would say nvidia :)
[18:28] <iliketurtles_> ok thanks :)
[18:59] <loppy> hi
[19:24] <thebishop> hi all, I'm thinking about using xubuntu for my music studio (ps: i know about ubuntu studio), is it easy enough to install a low-latency/realtime kernel in 12.04?
[19:25] <baizon> what linux distribution did you use before xubuntu?
[19:26] <Unit193> thebishop: May I ask what's wrong with Studio?
[19:27] <thebishop> baizon, tons.  <3 ubuntu but currently using Fedora 16 with CCRMA repo for music recording.
[19:27] <xubuntu594> comment ça marche ?
[19:28] <thebishop> Unit193, built-in packages don't work with my FFADO-supported sound card for some reason.  The card's features are recognized, but Jack won't start (something about streaming threads failing).  I tried installing svn versions of jack and ffado, but i think they're conflicting with the packaged versions.  I'm considering Xubuntu to get the low-resource utilization of Ubuntu Studio without the pre-packaed audio components
[19:28] <thebishop> but i will need real-time, so that's a factor
[19:29] <loppy> hi
[19:29] <thebishop> tangentially, CCRMA is an amazing project.  I wish they switched to Ubuntu
[19:31] <Unit193> Alright, nothing that I can help with at all then, sorry mate.
[19:33] <xubuntu594> HI ! try to use audacity under xubuntu xfce, but no sound (p8z68-V Pro (realtek AC 892) and core I7 2600K and MSI FX 560 TI. How to do ? need help plz
[19:33] <thebishop> xubuntu594, what's the output of "lspci | grep Audio" ?
[19:34] <loppy> yes my Xubuntu is acting slow and wont operate correctly and i can't log into my main account.
[19:34] <thebishop> loppy, is your hdd full?
[19:34] <loppy> let me check.
[19:34] <xubuntu594> cant aswer, must reboot
[19:34] <thebishop> df -h if you need to do it on command line
[19:35] <xubuntu594> ok, later thank you
[19:35] <loppy> that was the problem thank you.
[19:35] <thebishop> :)
[19:42] <niker> hello
[19:43] <thebishop> niker, sup
[19:44] <martinphone> hi, any idea about the "org.freedesktop.UDisks.Error.Inhibited: Daemon is inhibited" I mentioned eariler? do I get that because the usb stick is owned by root?
[19:44] <martinphone> that message is from startup disk creator
[19:45] <loppy> hi
[19:46] <loppy> * Topic for #xubuntu is: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | Xubuntu 11.10 is out! Please get it from http://xubuntu.org/get | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | No one around? Use the mailing list at http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:46] <loppy> * Topic for #xubuntu set by knome!knome@ubuntu/member/knome at Wed Oct 19 16:41:15 2011
[19:46] <loppy> -ChanServ- [#xubuntu] Welcome to #xubuntu. This channel is logged. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[19:46] <loppy> * #xubuntu :http://xubuntu.org
 hello?
[19:46] <loppy> * Offering SOS5INSTALL.iso to ChanServ
[19:46] <loppy> * Notify: ChanServ is online (Ubuntu Servers).
 hello???????
[19:46] <loppy> * Offering KINDERGARTEN_LEVEL_2.iso to ben_says
 hi.
 finally
[19:46] <loppy> * DCC SEND SOS5INSTALL.iso to ChanServ timed out - aborting.
 how do you like the new Xubuntu?
 New?
 how old is it then?
 Are you referring to the beta of 12.04?
[19:47] <martinphone> why does he do that?
[19:47] <thebishop> loppy, you ok, bro?
[19:47] <thebishop> martinphone, is hdd was full.  that can make anyone... irregular
[19:47] <Mokura> Is there a way to do a more specific font replacement in .fonts.conf?  Like I want to replace bold/bold-italic Verdana past a certain font size.
[19:48] <Mokura> Or can you only replace an entire font family?
[19:48] <thebishop> Mokura, maybe you can trick it with symlinks
[19:49] <Mokura> Oh?
[19:49] <thebishop> i'm less familiar with xfce.  does it use gnome's appearance menu?
[19:49] <niker> ok
[19:49] <Mokura> hm
[19:49] <thebishop> niker, what's up
[19:49] <Mokura> I've never had to work with symlinks and fonts before, and I'm fairly sure Verdana is all one file.  Unless I'm gravely mistaken in how fonts work.
[19:50] <niker> eating popcorn
[19:50] <thebishop> Mokura, i think you are.  all fonts are separate ttf files (see for yourself: /usr/share/fonts)
[19:50] <Mokura> hm
[19:51] <Mokura> I shall see then
[19:51] <thebishop> i'm not sure what apps are aware of font-family groupings.  there's no metadata defining those relationships as far as i know
[19:51] <Mokura> basically
[19:51] <thebishop> they happen to be organized in folders, but i'm not sure if any apps treat that specially
[19:51] <thebishop> like i've got a "ttf-lucida" folder, for the lucida font-family
[19:52] <niker>  Wow
[19:52] <martinphone> do I have to restart the system so chown and chmod commands are reflected in a plugged in usb stick? I unplugged it, plugged it back, but it still say "owned by root"
[19:52] <Mokura> Well, I copied my fonts from a windows installation
[19:52] <Mokura> but I'll go check
[19:52] <thebishop> Mokura, you have to update your font cache if you copied them manually
[19:53] <thebishop> Mokura, fc-cache
[19:53] <Mokura> Console command?
[19:53] <thebishop> yep
[19:53] <Mokura> righto
[19:54] <niker> i am twenty years old
[19:54] <thebishop> niker, congrats
[19:55] <niker> my real name is Nick
[19:55] <thebishop> niker, you want a lollipop?
[19:56] <Mokura> fc-cache complains about an invalid token
[19:56] <niker> yes
[19:56] <Mokura> it might have been the rule I tried to set up
[19:56] <Mokura> one moment and I'll paste it in the paster
[19:56] <thebishop> ok
[19:57] <thebishop> first
[19:57] <niker> ok
[19:57] <thebishop> Mokura, try running with sudo
[19:57] <thebishop> sudo fc-cache
[19:57] <thebishop> Mokura, sudo = root permissions
[19:57] <Mokura> I know
[19:57] <thebishop> :)
[19:58] <Mokura> paste.ubuntu.com/925407
[19:58] <niker> i do want a lollipop
[19:58] <Mokura> oh, it didn't complain that time
[19:58] <Mokura> odd
[19:58] <Mokura> but if I'm writing font-conf rules wrong now's a great time to find out
[19:58] <thebishop> niker, http://www.rodsbot.com/images_maps_cache/286-map-assoc.jpg
[19:59] <thebishop> Mokura, don't config is for setting system-wide fonts?
[19:59] <thebishop> *font
[20:00] <Mokura> well, it has an effect in firefox too
[20:00] <Mokura> http://www.infinality.net/files/font.html <- select Verdana in this and look at bold/bold italic in 14px+
[20:00] <Mokura> the diagonals are too thick, so I'm trying to replace that particular instance with bitstream vera sans
[20:00] <Mokura> but it doesn't want to take
[20:01] <Mokura> (I'm also using the fonts.conf from the ubuntu wiki and tweaking it)
[20:04] <Mokura> What I did was I took my fonts from windows and just pasted them into /usr/share/fonts, but I'm guessing I could try making a new symlink for /truetype/msttcorefonts ?
[20:04] <Mokura> ...or I could be blind and not see that Verdana is already multiple files.
[20:04] <Mokura> Durr.
[20:11] <Mokura> ...doing a straight replacement of "Verdana Bold" for "Bitstream Vera Sans Bold" still doesn't work :/
[20:11] <Mokura> in conf, rather
[20:13]  * Mokura headdesks
[20:18] <Mokura> I give up for now
[20:18] <Mokura> it's infuriating but it's not a dealbreaker
[20:18] <Mokura> thanks anyway.
[20:28] <martinphone> can startup disk creator be used on windows machines?
[20:28] <martinphone> if not, what with should I make a live usb with under windows?
[20:28] <martinphone> I keep getting error 13, permission denied when trying to make the bootable usb stickl
[20:28] <martinphone> stick
[20:31] <thebishop> martinphone, unetbootin is pretty good
[20:31] <martinphone> does any of you know if babble will be back in an hour or so?
[20:39] <n2diy> Well Firefox and Chrome conflict if you run them at the same time?
[20:39] <holstein> n2diy: shouldnt be any issues
[20:40] <thebishop> n2diy, i do this all the time with work/personal gmail login
[20:41] <n2diy> ok, flash quit on me in Firefox, so I loaded chrome to handle that, but I still prefer surfing with FF, thanks.
[20:50] <martinphone> when installing 12.04 from live usb, can I choose how many partitions to make and their size?
[20:51] <forestpiskie> should be able to martinphone
[20:51] <holstein> martinphone: i forget, but if you dont find the options you want, try teh alternate
[20:51] <holstein> the*
[20:51] <forestpiskie> I usually use gparted before I start installer though
[20:52]  * holstein is +1 on gparted
[20:52] <martinphone> how am I supposed to use gparted if im making a clean install?
[20:52] <holstein> martinphone: you are not really "supposed" to
[20:53] <holstein> you can use gparted prior to loading up the live installer, and use the custom partitioning you make while using gparted... which should be on the live CD
[20:53] <Cygnus-X1> Thats a good question.  There isn't anywhere in the installer for custom partitioning?
[20:53]  * Cygnus-X1 only installs xubuntu from the alternate cd.
[20:53] <Cygnus-X1> I haven't used the live cd since 8.10
[20:54] <Cygnus-X1> Maybe earlier.
[20:55] <martinphone> holstein, like I make a new partition now, install from live usb to this new partition and then reformat the older partition...
[20:57] <holstein> martinphone: if you dont find the options you want on the live CD, tyr the alternate.. you can do more customized options with it.. otherwise, just use gparted to set it up in advance... however you choose to use gparted
[20:58] <martinphone> keep in touch
[21:51] <malv> droid sans is not a good font
[21:51] <malv> deja vu sans is much clearer, imho
[23:05] <martinphone> can 12.04 beta2 64 bits be downloaded as a torrent?
[23:09] <martinphone> can 12.04 beta2 64 bits be downloaded as a torrent?
[23:11] <martinphone> or babble , any suggestion to change usb permissions from root to dexter?
[23:11] <martinphone> i tried chmod and chown...
[23:11] <martinphone> but nothing
[23:13] <malv> why is Xubuntu not so popular?
[23:13] <malv> it seems as though it has a rather sleek appearance out of box without any of the gnome-shell/unity quirks and bugs
[23:13] <babble> you can set a umask or a uid in fstab for the volume.
[23:14] <pleia2> martinphone: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/beta-2/ has all the links (including 64-bit desktop torrent)
[23:14] <martinphone> thx pleia2
[23:15] <babble> or if you can afford to reformat the drive, you can set your regular user as the owner of the volume when you format it using Gnome Disk Utility as I said yesterday when you asked
[23:17] <martinphone> does it really matter the difference between the x86 download and the amd64 download?
[23:17] <babble> are you running a 64-bit system with 4 or more gigs of ram?
[23:17] <babble> if so, you probably want 64 bit.
[23:18] <martinphone> and, if I have an intel centrino 2, mine is x64... right?
[23:18] <babble> if not, you probably won't see a difference either way
[23:18] <martinphone> babble, yes, you told me so, but nevertheless, and with 4 gb  im aiming for 64bits
[23:18] <babble> what is your computer's model and model number?
[23:19] <babble> if you have 4gb of physical memory installed, you'll lose a bit if you run a 32-bit linux with virtual memory turned on.
[23:19] <babble> (32-bit operating systems have a RAM ceiling of 4gb, whether that's all RAM, or some RAM and some swap)
[23:19] <martinphone> clevo m771sun
[23:20] <martinphone> is that enough?
[23:20] <babble> that doesn't tell me anything useful.
[23:20] <babble> who manufactured your computer?
[23:20] <martinphone> ahtec -
[23:20] <martinphone> but the back of the laptop says clevo
[23:21] <babble> it looks like Clevo is the OEM.
[23:21] <babble> Ideally, I need something with an end user website so I can try and determine what you're using.
[23:21] <martinphone> but, doesnt amd make reference to that manufacturer and x64 to intel?
[23:22] <babble> AMD likely means you have a 64-bit processor, yes.
[23:22] <babble> if you can successfully boot a 64-bit livecd on it, yes, you have a 64-bit cpu
[23:29] <martinphone> babble, i've been googling for m77sun clevo, but the closest thing I get is http://www.meetgadget.com/gadget/12320/Clevo+M771SU
[23:30] <babble> is that your computer? if not, why are you asking me to look at it?
[23:30] <martinphone> cause i cant find it
[23:30] <babble> can you or can you not successfully boot your particular machine with a 64-bit livecd?
[23:30] <babble> showing me something that may or may not be your computer isn't going to give me any useful information.
[23:32] <martinphone> not there yet
[23:37] <martinphone> im sorry babble but i got to go
[23:37] <martinphone> thanks anyway