[07:39] <toscalix> Hi, I have kubuntu  11.10 with kde 4.8.2 from backports. I want to install calligra. When I type aptitude install calligra, there are unresolved dependencies that lead me to uninstall many key kde packages
[07:39] <toscalix> I guess the default calligra installation if for those who do not have the latest kde version but the official one, right?
[07:41] <Riddell> toscalix: where did you install 4.8.2 from and where are you installing calligra from?
[07:41] <toscalix> checking.....
[07:42] <Riddell> apt-cache policy calligra
[07:42] <Riddell> apt-cache policy kdelibs-dev
[07:42] <Riddell> apt-cache policy kdelibs5-dev
[07:44] <toscalix> apt-cache policy calligra: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ oneiric/main i386 Packages
[07:44] <toscalix> apt-cache policy kdelibs-dev: unable to localte package kdelibs-dev
[07:45] <toscalix> Installed: (none)
[07:45] <toscalix>   Candidate: 4:4.8.2-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1
[07:45] <toscalix>   Version table:
[07:45] <toscalix>      4:4.8.2-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 0
[07:45] <toscalix>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ oneiric/main i386 Packages
[07:45] <toscalix> that is tha out of apt-cache policy kdelibs5-dev
[07:45] <toscalix> those are the official ppa repos, right?
[07:45] <toscalix> for backports
[07:48] <Riddell> toscalix: paste.kde.org is your friend :)
[07:48] <Riddell> toscalix: paste  sudo apt-get install calligra
[07:48] <toscalix> checking
[07:51] <toscalix> http://paste.kde.org/456026/
[07:51] <toscalix> first time I use it...thanks
[07:52] <Riddell> toscalix: paste  sudo apt-get install calligra
[07:53] <toscalix> http://paste.kde.org/456032/
[07:53] <toscalix> there you go
[07:54] <Riddell> toscalix: that's aptitude not apt-get
[07:54] <Riddell> but it indicates there's a clash with koffice
[07:54] <toscalix> yes sorry
[07:54] <Riddell> annoying I thought I'd got rid of koffice clashes
[07:54] <Riddell> toscalix: paste  sudo apt-get install calligra
[07:55] <toscalix> ...
[07:56] <toscalix> http://paste.kde.org/456038/
[07:56] <Riddell> toscalix: no problems there
[07:56] <toscalix> yes
[07:56] <toscalix> agree
[07:56] <Riddell> diagnosis: use apt-get instead of unsupported aptitude
[07:56] <toscalix> hummm
[07:56] <toscalix> thanks
[07:57] <toscalix> installing
[07:57] <Riddell> apt-get and aptitude are two implementations of the same debian policy, they have different algorithms so often one will work when the other breaks
[07:57] <toscalix> Ilearnt a new thing...thanks
[07:57] <Riddell> but apt-get is the one tested by us packagers
[07:57] <toscalix> ok, I'll keep that in mind
[07:58] <Riddell> so if you ever see someone recommended aptitude in a support forum politely kick him out :)
[07:58] <toscalix> I will...
[07:58] <toscalix> in the name of Riddell
[07:58] <toscalix> ja
[07:59] <Riddell> dpm: calligra was recompliled to generate .pot templates, have they appeared?
[07:59] <CIA-42> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Jonathan Kolberg * 138 * (3 files in 2 dirs) Zsh completion update
[08:01] <dpm> morning Riddell, I can't see them there yet: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra-l10n/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[08:01] <Riddell> dpm: they're built from "calligra" not "calligra-l10n"
[08:01] <Riddell> lots here https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[08:02] <dpm> Riddell, ok, let me approve them
[08:04] <Riddell> yay
[08:04] <Riddell> dpm: it turns out we haven't been generating .pot files all cycle :(
[08:05] <Riddell> this probably means lots of our templates are out of date
[08:05] <Riddell> I wonder if I should just do a mass upload of everything KDE
[08:06] <dpm> Riddell, actually, that matches the feedback from some translators: they mentioned that KDE templates weren't up to date, but in the brief investigation I did I couldn't find out what the problem was.
[08:07] <Riddell> dpm: if I do a mass upload of KDE bits to update the .pot files will I need to do a mass upload of the .po translation files after?
[08:07] <Riddell> or will launchpad just pick up the translations from the missing strings
[08:07] <Riddell> shell scriptage help needed: http://paste.kde.org/456044/
[08:08] <Riddell> that breaks on first line if more than one .pot file exists
[08:08] <dpm> give me a minute to remind myself how the KDE import works, brb
[08:08] <Riddell> how do I get it to test for .pot file existing without breaking on more than one?
[08:12] <jussi> agateau: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!
[08:13] <agateau> jussi: thanks! :)
[08:13]  * jussi is really pleased
[08:13] <jussi> btw, are we still thining of renaming Kubuntu? 
[08:13] <toscalix> agateau: congrats
[08:13] <jussi> Tm_T: ping
[08:13] <bulldog98> agateau: congrats
[08:13] <agateau> toscalix: thanks!
[08:13]  * agateau needs an auto-thanks bot :)
[08:14] <Tm_T> jussi: yes? (:
[08:14] <jussi> :D
[08:14] <agateau> thanks bulldog98
[08:14] <jussi> Tm_T: I was thinking about renaming Kubuntu, how do you think something with "Sini" in it would work?  ie. SiniOS or so? 
[08:15] <Tm_T> Sine?
[08:15] <agateau> what does Sini stand for?
[08:15] <Tm_T> agateau: blue(y) in finnish
[08:15] <agateau> oh, nice
[08:15] <Tm_T> "sinitaivas" is "blue sky"
[08:15] <Tm_T> and so on
[08:15] <Tm_T> it's also female name around here
[08:16] <jussi> blue is actually sininen, but when you say somethign is blue, its sini$something
[08:16] <Tm_T> ye
[08:16] <jussi> Tm_T: yeah, my sister in law's name in Sini
[08:17] <dpm> Riddell, so according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle, the only way to sort this out is to 1) do a mass upload of the KDE apps, so that the .pot files are imported, and then 2) do an upload of the kde-l10n-* packages, so that the .po files are imported. I believe we could skip step 2) and LP would still pick up the missing strings, but I would still do it just in case there are new templates, since for 
[08:17] <dpm> those the .po files will not have been imported
[08:18] <Riddell> dpm: yep thought so
[08:18] <Riddell> dpm: ok mass upload it is, this'll please the release team :)
[08:19] <dpm> oh dear
[08:19] <Tm_T> jussi: "sinios" makes me think of sirius (:
[08:19] <jussi> Riddell: nothing like pissing off the release team before you leave the company... :P
[08:19] <Riddell> jussi: the release team is an ubuntu team, and I'm not leaving ubuntu
[08:20] <Riddell> so I'll have to annoy them in the nicest possible way :)
[08:20] <jussi> oh, bah. :D
[08:20] <Tm_T> we are not leaving Ubuntu either AFAICS (:
[08:20] <jussi> no, we arent
[08:20] <Tm_T> sinibuntu
[08:20] <Tm_T> voihan ihmebantu
[08:21] <jussi> oh dear, please do leave the "buntu" out of the name...
[08:21] <Riddell> should we rename that will be a requirement since the point is not to have a trademark restriction
[08:21] <Tm_T> jussi: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ihmebantu
[08:22] <Riddell> my current thinking is just to carry on and if some trouble emerges just change it
[08:22] <jussi> Sinios is my first (and probably not last) suggestion
[08:22] <Tm_T> jussi: it's not bad suggestion
[08:22] <Tm_T> (other than the fact that it contains "OS" which I don't necessary like)
[08:23] <Riddell> I like: Ceilidh, but I doubt anyone can spell it outside of Scotland
[08:24] <Tm_T> Riddell: sometimes it looks like people can't spell ubuntu either, so no difference (:
[08:24] <jussi> Riddell: whats the pronunciation of that? :P
[08:25] <bulldog98> Tm_T: kubuntu isn’t better with that :(
[08:25] <Tm_T> yup
[08:25] <bulldog98> many guys say K-Ubuntu
[08:25] <Tm_T> jussi: I'd pronounce it like "kiilidh" (in finnish way)
[08:26] <Riddell> jussi: kay-lee
[08:26] <jussi> hehe
[08:27] <jussi> Riddell: you are trying to confuse people arent you ? :P
[08:27] <Riddell> jussi: it's a perfectly well kent word in Scotland!
[08:28] <jussi> :D
[08:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer will learn all about ceilidhs when he comes here
[08:28] <jussi> I still like Sini or a variation thereof...
[08:28] <Tm_T> does "sine" has some meaning in english?
[08:29] <jussi> yes
[08:29] <Tm_T> other than type of curve(?)
[08:29] <jussi> no
[08:29] <jussi> although same sound as sign
[08:29] <Tm_T> it's a sign!
[08:29] <jussi> s/sound/pronunciation/
[08:30] <Tm_T> jussi: sinillä siivous sujuu
[08:30] <Tm_T> http://www.sinituote.fi/Suomeksi/Sinituote_Oy/Sinituote_Oy_in_english.iw3
[08:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: some nifty expression from cymraeg perhaps? would be a way to avoid K atleast (;
[08:34] <dpm> Riddell, ok, all Calligra templates have now been approved, you'll now just need to upload calligra-l10n and it should all just work
[08:35]  * dpm crosses fingers
[08:35] <Riddell> dpm: lovely thanks
[08:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: Llanfairpwllgwyngyll maybe?
[08:36] <Tm_T> sounds good to me
[08:36] <jussi> awesome :P
[08:36] <jussi> Riddell: what does it mean?
[08:37] <jussi> "Sinista" :D
[08:37] <jussi> (From Blue)
[08:37] <Tm_T> jussi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll
[08:38] <Riddell> jussi: it's the short version of Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
[08:38] <jussi> peh
[08:38] <Riddell> a rename to that would certainly get a few comments on slashdot :)
[08:38] <Tm_T> or just "that freakingly long placename" for most of the people
[08:40] <bulldog98> if we should rename we should keep it simple :P
[08:41] <bulldog98> something like the K
[08:41] <Tm_T> let's go with "spark"
[08:41] <Tm_T> oh, wait
[08:41] <Tm_T> bulldog98: no, compulsory K is evil
[08:41] <bulldog98> Tm_T: what’s about shark?
[08:41] <bulldog98> Tm_T: but it would sound like key :(
[08:42] <Tm_T> TheBestOS
[08:42] <jussi> Snigger
[08:42] <Tm_T> where do I collect the price?
[08:42] <bulldog98> the one
[08:42] <jussi> Tm_T: prize...
[08:42] <Tm_T> jussi: that, yes
[08:43] <bulldog98> maybe blues :)
[08:44] <Riddell> soprano up
[08:46] <Riddell> dpm: would it work to just give you the .pot files to import directly?
[08:48] <dpm> Riddell, the .pot files for all of the KDE packages, you mean? If that's what you mean, yes, but it would take me a whole day to manually upload them into Launchpad. I'm ok with doing manual .pot uploads every now and then, but I don't think I could spend the time to do it for every single KDE source package, even if it's a one-off
[08:49] <Riddell> 09:48 < seb128> Riddell, well it's easier a million clicks or a millions builds and updates throwing at the archive,buildds,users
[08:49] <Riddell> dpm: I'd rather do a million builds
[08:49] <Riddell> if that is the mimum manual workload
[08:50] <bulldog98> dpm: can’t you script the upload?
[08:50] <dpm> bulldog98, I could if there was a Launchpad API for translations :)
[08:51] <bulldog98> hm maybe you should poke for that :)
[08:51] <Riddell> I doubt there's anyone to poke to do that
[08:51] <dpm> bulldog98, so you're assuming I haven't extensively done that already? :)
[08:51] <bulldog98> hm maybe you should put more pressure onto that :)
[08:52] <dpm> so you didn't notice the *extensively* part, either? :)
[08:52]  * bulldog98 sometimes doesn’t read all
[08:52] <dpm> in any case poking at people is often not the way to get things fixed as we know in open source
[08:53] <dpm> we had a community member working on the API a while ago, but had to abandon the project due to other commitments
[08:54] <Riddell> dpm: join #ubuntu-release to help me persuade the people this is needed
[08:55] <dpm> ok, coming over...
[08:55] <dpm> Riddell, bulldog98, I actually have a script to do uploads, but I haven't used it in a while so it's rather untested. Let me dig it out...
[08:56] <yofel> agateau: congrats :)
[08:56] <agateau> yofel: thanks!
[08:57] <yofel> Riddell: got the script error sorted out?
[08:57] <Riddell> yofel: yes thanks
[08:58] <Riddell> if [ "$(ls -A po/)" ]; then  this seems to do it nicely
[08:58] <yofel> right, that's about what I woul've suggested 
[09:43] <Mamarok> agateau: wow, great! Congratulations!
[09:44] <agateau> Mamarok: thanks!
[09:46] <Mamarok> jussi: Tm_T: I fear Sini is too close to Siri, we wouldn't want to be associated with Eva's fruit
[09:46]  * Mamarok likes Céilidh, as we are all gathering together
[09:48] <Mamarok> and  /ˈkeɪlɪ/ shouldn't be difficult to pronounce
[09:49] <Mamarok> and we should ask Marillion to sing for us :)
[10:00] <Riddell> Mamarok: easy to pronounce but hard to spell
[10:00] <Mamarok> Riddell: no
[10:00] <Mamarok> I can spell it
[10:01] <Mamarok> and since I am a champion in misspelling words all the time that means something
[10:01] <Riddell> yes but you know 50 languages!
[10:01] <Mamarok> only 5
[10:01] <Riddell> most people know only 2 and English speakers know only 1
[10:01] <Riddell> none of which are Gaelic
[10:01] <Riddell> just had a phone call from these guys, http://www.emerge-open.com/  interested in doing commercial support for kubuntu
[10:02] <Mamarok> wow, everybody is interested in us, great :)
[10:05] <Riddell> and they put their profits back into open source so it be good for us in many ways
[10:05] <markey> folks, there is something major wrong with some recent updates for 11.10
[10:05] <markey> it breaks nvidia-current
[10:05] <markey> and I had to reinstall plasma-desktop to get kde working
[10:05] <markey> same thing just happened to my work mate
[10:07] <Riddell> new nvidia packages listed on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2012-April/thread.html
[10:07] <Riddell> but not our area I'm afraid, I think there's a #ubuntu-x channel for that
[10:07] <Riddell> else just use #ubuntu-devel
[10:09] <markey> actually, it seems the problem is just plasma-desktop
[10:09] <markey> just saying, if someone has issues with starting kde
[10:10]  * Riddell fires up an ec2 for testing
[10:10] <markey> this fixed it for me and my work mate: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install plasma-desktop"
[10:16] <Mamarok> Riddell: I think I have an idea now why this is oing wrong, I still have a lot of oneiric packages, for what reaon I don't know, the sources.list has precise all over
[10:16] <Mamarok> reason*
[10:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: which do you want to have?
[10:16] <Mamarok> precise of course
[10:18] <Riddell> Mamarok: and you've run the release upgrade tool?
[10:19] <Mamarok> yes
[10:19] <Riddell> Mamarok: anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d for oneiric?
[10:20] <Mamarok> ah, plenty
[10:20] <Mamarok> is it enough to just remove those?
[10:21] <Riddell> remove them and see if  apt-get dist-upgrade  sorts it out
[10:23] <Mamarok> seems so
[10:24] <Mamarok> I get 255 upgrades
[10:24] <Mamarok> how come these were still around?
[10:24] <Riddell> mind and check to make sure it's not removing things you care about
[10:25] <Mamarok> it is removing nothing
[10:25] <Riddell> I've no idea, the release upgrade tool should update /etc/apt/sources.list.d sources too
[10:27] <Mamarok> we will see if that helps
[10:28] <Mamarok> but that takes a while, seems all Qt files are in there
[10:34] <dpm> Riddell, ok, I've tested the script and it works for a single template. It will need some preparation, though. Here are some notes: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/926214/
[10:34] <dpm> Let me know what you think, and if you see any way of reducing the manual work
[10:45] <Riddell> dpm: thanks
[10:45] <Riddell> dpm: "A csv list of sourcepackage, template, tarball" what do you mean by tarball?
[10:45] <Riddell> oh I should make a tar with all the templates for each source?
[10:47] <dpm> Riddell, yes, I'll need tarballs as the files to upload. Let me check if they need to be individual tarballs for each source package or whether a tarball containing multiple templates will do
[10:49] <dpm> The reason why I need tarballs is because if I upload 'rekonq.pot' directly the 'i18n/' part in 'i18n/rekonq.pot' is lost, and the translations from the kde-l10n-* packages would then not be imported
[10:50] <dpm> so the only way to preserve the path info is to put the .pot file into a tarball with the correct path
[11:02] <dpm> Riddell, ok, the LP guys tell me it needs to be a single .pot file per tarball, so for the rekonq source package, as it's got 2 templates, I'd need 2 tarballs, containing one of the templates each
[11:09] <Riddell> dpm: like this? people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/rekonq-kwebapp.tar.gz people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/rekonq.tar.gz
[11:11] <dpm> Riddell, yeah, but without the 'rekonq-kwebapp' and 'rekonq' folders in the tarball. The po/ dir should be the top level dir
[11:15] <Riddell> dpm: like this? people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/rekonq-rekonq.tar.gz people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/rekonq-kwebapp.tar.gz ?
[11:18] <dpm> Riddell, that's perfect, yes. Also, if you can name the tarballs as in sourcepackage<separator>template, then I don't need a csv file
[11:19] <dpm> Riddell, I've also noticed that we can only do manual uploads if there is an existing template, so in some cases a source package upload will still be necessary. See caveat 2. on http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/926249/
[11:20] <Riddell> dpm: will we be able to find out where there's no existing template easily?  after upload?
[11:21] <dpm> Riddell, yeah, the script will throw an error, I'm testing this right now
[11:23] <Riddell> download all the packages, should take a while..
[11:45] <vprints> if Your thinking about renameing Kubuntu then i suggest the name "Estobuntu" :D
[11:46] <Riddell> vprints: I think that might clash with another project, can't remember what it's called just now
[11:47] <vprints> :)
[12:10] <Mamarok> Riddell: sadly that didn't solve my plasma-desktop issue
[12:10] <Mamarok> I will ask the plasma folks
[12:14] <Mamarok> I just hope they are a bit more responsive as usual
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:27] <Riddell> dpm: how's this? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/l10n/
[12:28] <yofel> Riddell: when's final freeze? evening?
[12:30] <Riddell> yofel: I've not kept up with that I'm afraid
[12:30] <Riddell> but it tends to be late european time
[12:31] <BluesKaj> new Kwin in the repos for 12.04
[12:31] <yofel> can we still get the splash in? I've never done anything that required an UIFe yet
[12:31] <Riddell> yofel: oh yes let's not forget that
[12:31] <Riddell> yofel: just file a bug and I'll approve, job done
[12:31] <Riddell> yofel: and tell me what to upload if you don't have the rights on plymouth
[12:32] <dpm> Riddell, awesome, thanks! There's something that would make my life a lot easier: would it be possible to have a sorcepackage vs template separator that it's not '-'? In cases like kde-baseapps-dolphin.tar.gz it makes it difficult to guess where the sourcepackage ends and the template name starts
[12:32] <yofel> ok, I'll prepare a new package for plymouth, slangasek uploaded another one in the meantime
[12:32] <dpm> eg. one option could be to use '+'
[12:33] <yofel> I'll try to wrap something up for KDM too, but not sure if I'll make it. it's not critical at least
[12:35] <Riddell> dpm: one sec
[12:37] <dpm> ok
[12:38] <Riddell> dpm: uploading now to http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/l10n/
[12:38] <dpm> Riddell, ok, cool, let me know when it's finished and I'll start with the uploads
[12:39] <Riddell> dpm: finished
[12:40] <dpm> cool, thanks! let me fetch them, try uploading to staging and let's cross fingers :)
[12:40] <yofel> Riddell: do I need to mail ubuntu-doc for our splash?
[12:40] <Riddell> yofel: no you need to ask dwonderly and littlegirl and we have and they're fine with it
[12:41] <yofel> Riddell: bug 979824
[12:46] <dpm> Riddell, the smiley is a nice touch, but how do I separate the sourcepackage and template when the filename looks like kdeplasma-addons?%98?librtm.tar.gz on the filesystem?
[12:47] <yofel> dpm: source is left of the smiley from what I see
[12:48] <dpm> yofel, I can't quite follow
[12:48] <yofel> dpm: source package for kdeplasma-addons?%98?librtm.tar.gz is kdeplasma-addons
[12:48] <Riddell> ls *tar.gz | sed s,☺.*,,
[12:48] <dpm> err, well, obviously
[12:49] <dpm> yofel, I meant how to separate them programmatically
[12:49] <yofel> ah, misunderstodd the question :P
[12:49] <Riddell> dpm: he %98 is probably just your download client changing the character
[12:49] <dpm> ok, I'll use sed
[12:49] <dpm> yeah, I just used wget
[12:50] <Riddell> + packages uploading now http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/l10n/
[12:50] <dpm> sedding does not seem to work, I get step�%98�step_qt.tar.gz
[12:50] <dpm> ok, cool thanks, much easier
[12:52] <Riddell> dpm: I'd have thought a translations guy could handle unicode :)
[12:53] <dpm> Riddell, but it seems wget can't
[12:54] <dpm> and I prefer spending the time doing the actual work and get onto other things rather than fighting with unicode
[13:12] <Mamarok> where can I change the feedback settings for crashes? I might have plasma-desktop crashing and disabled the feedback
[13:17] <Mamarok> I assume it is in launchpadlib but for some strange reason I can't access it, not even with sudo rights
[13:18] <dpm> Riddell, ok, templates mass-upload to staging running... 
[13:19] <Riddell> Mamarok: crashes are usually handled by drkonqi ~/.kde/share/config/drkonqirc
[13:19] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes, but I remember having had apport seeing a crash, I am sure I even reported it
[13:20] <Mamarok> and there is an option in apport to ignore reports
[13:21] <Riddell> check in /var/crash/ for any reports
[13:21] <Riddell> but they should be caught by drkonqi
[13:22] <Mamarok> nothing in there, but .launchpadlib's cache reports a plasma desktop crash I had: launchpadlibrarian.net,97223287,_usr_bin_plasma-desktop.1000.crash-application,json,21b9eb2ec3b9051e9e11f5cfcf97bee8
[13:23] <Mamarok> only I erased that as it had problems with a package to get a proper retrace
[13:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Could you fix the kde-workspace stuff in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt - I couldn't do it when I was accepting via the LP gui.
[13:33] <Mamarok> Riddell: seems to be bug 851985 which is marked as private
[13:50] <yofel> does someone remember how one forces plyo
[13:51] <yofel> ... plymouth to use the text splash?
[13:59] <Riddell> Mamarok: bug 851985
[13:59] <Riddell> yofel: virtualbox just does it?
[13:59] <Riddell> otherwise not sure
[13:59] <Riddell> ScottK: ack
[14:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:03] <Mamarok> Riddell: hm, that was not my bug and I can't find my report anymore
[14:06] <Mamarok> Riddell: found my bug again: bug 955826
[14:57] <Riddell> dpm: how's the import going?
[15:02] <dpm> Riddell, the import to staging finished a while ago, taking 22 minutes. Let me have a look at the log, I see some templates that will require a package upload
[15:07] <dpm> Riddell, here are the template uploads that failed because of a missing template in LP, which means the corresponding source package will need to be uploaded. You can ignore calligra, as the templates are not in staging yet, but they are in production and the uploads shouldn't fail then
[15:07] <dpm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/926544/
[15:09] <Riddell> dpm: lovely thanks
[15:50] <dpm> Riddell, ok, I've checked a few template uploads in LP staging and they seem to be ok, so I'm starting the upload of the templates to production
[15:50] <dpm> it should take about 25 mins
[15:51] <Riddell> dpm: thanks
[16:21] <dpm> Riddell, ok, template uploads done.
[16:21] <dpm> - Full log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/926643/
[16:22] <dpm> - Packages that need to be reuploaded: http://paste.ubuntu.com/926650/
[16:23] <soee> hi, guys somethin is broken with nvidia in latest 12.04 update?
[16:24] <jussi> soee: yeah, markey mentioned something before
[16:24] <jussi> hang on
[16:24] <jussi> soee: [13:10:43] <markey> this fixed it for me and my work mate: "sudo apt-get --reinstall install plasma-desktop"
[16:25] <soee> i can bearly read this :) i have resolution 640x480 on my 23"
[16:25] <soee> ok let me try
[16:26] <soee> ok i can't reinstall :/
[16:26] <jussi> why?
[16:26] <soee> dependency problesm
[16:26] <jussi> did you apt-get update first ?
[16:26] <soee> yes
[16:27] <soee> http://pastebin.com/iVkt5nEZ
[16:28] <jussi> and what does apt-get install -f give?
[16:29] <soee> http://pastebin.com/xzXyH2Yr
[16:39] <ScottK> Riddell: All accepted.
[16:48] <BluesKaj> how does one pastebinit selected text in the terminal , without copy and pasting to text file and typing the path into the terminal , or this even possible?
[16:49] <tsimpson> probably with: cat << EOF | pastebinit
[16:50] <tsimpson> paste some text, and place "EOF" on an empty line at the end
[16:52] <soee> argh dependencies are broken for good :<
[16:54] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: won't work with multiline texts
[16:54] <shadeslayer> you'll need a '\' character at the end of every line :P
[16:54] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, I'm taliking about existing text output in the terminal
[16:55] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: you don't need to escape the lines, bash just waits for a line with "EOF" and then stops
[16:55] <yofel> soee: meh, missing epoch in one place
[16:56] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: here's what I do : Select Text > Ctrl + Shift + C || Drag > Middle click on plasmoid || Drop
[16:56] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: oh true, I thought BluesKaj wanted to copy paste something into the terminal and send it to pastebinit
[16:56] <yofel> soee: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libkwinnvidiahack4_4%3a4.8.2a-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[16:56] <yofel> soee: then try apt again
[16:57] <shadeslayer> composting is broken for me, but then again, I haven't updated in a long long time
[16:58] <soee> yofel, something started but again at the end: 
[16:58] <soee> Wystąpiły błędy podczas przetwarzania:
[16:58] <soee>  kde-window-manager-common
[16:58] <soee>  kde-window-manager
[16:58] <soee> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:58] <soee> errors while processing
[16:58] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, plasmoid ?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah the pastebin plasmoid
[16:59] <BluesKaj> don't have it
[16:59] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: add it to your bottom panel :P
[16:59] <shadeslayer> or any panel you like
[16:59] <yofel> soee: sudo dpkg -i --force-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager{,-common}_4%3a4.8.2a-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[17:02] <soee> yofel, looks like this helped, let ma do update
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Need to get 540 MB of archives. \o/
[17:04] <shadeslayer> that's what happens when you don't update for a week I guess
[17:06] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: no 1 or 2 days can be enought :P
[17:09] <ScottK> Don't worry.  You'll get to do it again after all the no change rebuilds for translations Riddell just uploaded and I accepted.
[17:09] <shadeslayer> @_@
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Something to look forward to next weekend I guess
[17:10] <soee> ok reboot
[17:10] <soee> brb
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Only 4 more days till Uni gets over \o/
[17:10] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: only 4 days till Uni starts again :(
[17:11] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: being in a uni does have it's  benefits ... for eg. getting visa's is easier .. but then that probably doesn't apply to you because you live in the EU
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Rant threads everywhere :(
[17:12] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yep
[17:12] <bulldog98> btw is kontact for you guys also needing ~1m until the window is painted properly?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you around to help me debug stuff?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> ( Android specific stuff actually )
[17:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: apachelogger has been marked officially MIA
[17:14] <shadeslayer> :/
[17:14] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, ok , thanks , the kde.org upload target setting in pastebin plasmoid fails but the paste.ubuntu.com works fine 
[17:14] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah, paste.kde.org fails once or twice for me as well
[17:15]  * shadeslayer looks at TODO
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Also, someone proficient in the internal workings of Android?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> specifically, my su binary is segfaulting :/
[17:17] <shadeslayer> [kubuntu-members] ensure Dolphin's samba filesharing sharing works: TODO << Seems to be working for me
[17:18] <shadeslayer> !testers 
[17:18] <yofel> dunno, I never used it.
[17:18] <shadeslayer> Please confirm whether or not this works : [kubuntu-members] ensure Dolphin's samba filesharing sharing works
[17:19] <yofel> Riddell, ScottK: I uploaded kubuntu-default-settings, plymouth ubuntu30 is in kubuntu-ninjas if one of you could please upload that
[17:20] <BluesKaj> ok shadeslayer , will take a look
[17:20] <ScottK> yofel: Busy with stuff.  Hopefully Riddell will have time soon.
[17:21] <soee> yofel, ok system works fine now :) thank yoy. the only problem is i have no effects :/
[17:23] <soee> brb
[17:26] <yofel> Riddell: we all missed that the breaks/replaces of libkwinnvidiahack4 in kde-workspace is missing the epoch, as you just uploaded ubuntu3 to precise-proposed, should I upload ubuntu4 there too?
[17:27] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings] Philip Muškovac * 488 * debian/changelog add bug number for UIFe and release 1:12.04ubuntu4
[17:30] <soee> hmm i have to start kwin from konsole to be able to use effects 
[17:30] <yofel> soee: what does it say in the effect settings?
[17:30] <soee> well i have it on
[17:37] <yofel> ScottK: I just uploaded kde-workspace again which fixes what happened to soee above, that slipped through the ubuntu2 review
[17:37] <ScottK> Thanks
[17:37] <ScottK> I'll look at it when it hits the queue.
[17:37] <yofel> thanks
[17:51] <ScottK> yofel: Talk to slangasek about combining your plymouth change with another one planned for tomorrow.
[17:57] <kabob> Before I try out the latest build of Kubuntu, does anyone know how it should perform on an EeePC?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> iirc yofel has a EeePC
[17:59] <yofel> hm?
[17:59] <yofel> ah
[17:59] <yofel> kabob: works fine for me - but you might want to disable the blur effect in the destkop effects settings
[18:00] <yofel> bulldog98 has an eeePC too
[18:00] <bulldog98> yofel: works with blur enabled too
[18:01] <kabob> yofel:  No problem with that.  I usually cut back on KDE's desktop effects desktop.
[18:01] <yofel> bulldog98: really? I guess something's wrong with my settings then
[18:01] <kabob> *on the desktop
[18:01] <yofel> bulldog98: you have an 945GME too?
[18:02]  * yofel runs with XRender so most stuff is off but he still gets transparent konsole
[18:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: primetime.sh: 461: primetime.sh: ./adb: not found << Have you faced these kind of errors in scripts?
[18:02] <bulldog98> yofel: how to check?
[18:02] <shadeslayer> ( the adb binary is in the same folder as the script )
[18:02] <yofel> bulldog98: lspci | grep VGA
[18:03] <bulldog98> yofel: jep rev 3
[18:04] <bulldog98> yofel: I run OpenGl
[18:04] <yofel> guess I'll debug this sometime then
[18:05] <yofel> I usually just blame mesa when something goes wrong
[18:05] <bulldog98> yofel: what’s the german name for blur?
[18:06] <yofel> blurred is verschwommen/unscharf, so "unscharf machen" I think - or however that's translated in gimp
[18:06] <bulldog98> yofel: hadn’t it turned on, but now it’s on and no problems
[18:07] <yofel> bulldog98: you can open kickoff etc. fine?
[18:07] <yofel> it only applies to plasma
[18:07] <ScottK> yofel: Workspace is in.
[18:07] <bulldog98> yofel: hm I have to oldscul opener
[18:08] <yofel> bulldog98: well, any plasma widget - take network
[18:08] <bulldog98> and I open most stuff with Alt+F2
[18:08] <bulldog98> yofel: works
[18:08] <yofel> ah well
[18:08] <yofel> I'll debug that after putting my thinkpad on btrfs
[18:09] <bulldog98> have fun
[18:10] <yofel> can't be worse than debugging kdepim
[18:12] <Quintasan> It amazes me how smooth is 4.8.2
[18:12] <Quintasan> Really
[18:13] <Quintasan> I used to hear my HDD start spinning when searching within KRunner and now magicaly I do not.
[18:15] <shadeslayer> sigh, why won't this stupid script work
[18:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: that script error happens when adb isn't in $(pwd)
[18:19] <shadeslayer> but it is
[18:19] <yofel> your script makes runtime location assumptions
[18:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: this is what I found : http://www.hackersgarage.com/adb-no-such-file-or-directory.html
[18:19] <yofel> is adb executable?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: -rwxrwxr-x 1 shadeslayer shadeslayer 363197 Jan 24 03:52 adb
[18:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: file adb ?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped
[18:21] <yofel> check ldd if something's missing
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yofel:         not a dynamic executable
[18:22] <yofel> huh?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> temp|⇒ ldd -u adb
[18:22] <shadeslayer>         not a dynamic executable
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yeah, not sure why that's happening as well
[18:22] <yofel> *blink*
[18:24] <yofel> sorry, I'm clueless
[18:24] <shadeslayer> likewise @_@
[18:27] <kabob> I just noticed an inconsistency in the testing docs.  It says to test loading a site in Konquerer.
[18:28] <yofel> kabob: I wouldn't be surprised if that's just outdated, which page?
[18:28] <kabob> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Kubuntu/Introduction
[18:28] <kabob> The page also refers to adept, not muon.
[18:29] <yofel> yeah, outdated
[18:29] <yofel> I'll fix the worst parts
[18:31] <kabob> Okay.  If there is anything in particular I can do to help, I'm willing to.
[18:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/456332/
[18:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: @_@ - that's not a symlink, right?
[18:35] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:38] <yofel> we don't support NFS shares, right?
[18:38] <yofel> ah, nvm
[18:43] <yofel> kabob: page updated mostly, as we're lacking people working on Q/A, nobody really payed attention to the pages. So your help is really appreciated
[19:01] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, so far so good with samba shares on wife's W7 pc
[19:01] <shadeslayer> yay
[19:06] <kabob> yofel:  If you've got a list of tasks for Q/A or knows someone who does I'll gladly volunteer some time to it.  I've tried every release since feisty.  Just haven't stuck with it till oneiric.
[19:07]  * kabob lost net connection for a bit
[19:08] <shadeslayer> kabob: Samba Shares need testing
[19:08] <shadeslayer> kabob: right click folder > Properties > Share tab 
[19:09] <shadeslayer> See /topic for other TODO's
[19:13] <yofel> kabob: I don't have a list in mind currently. One thing is what shadeslayer said, otherwise general 12.04 testing. And we'll need ISO testers in about a week I think
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: installing ia32-libs fixed the issue
[19:23] <yofel> someone make ld print sane errors please.........
[19:23] <shadeslayer> yeah, why don't you ask the same person to create ponies while he's at that :P
[19:23] <shadeslayer> s/ponies/unicorns/
[19:25] <rbelem> Riddell, bulldog98, winactive is working nice :-D
[19:25] <yofel> yay, some good news today :)
[19:25] <rbelem> bulldog98, i will merge your startactive patch to the first patch
[19:25]  * rbelem hugs yofel 
[19:25] <rbelem> \o/
[19:26] <rbelem> yofel, what is missing now is the lockscreen
[19:27] <yofel> the qml one?
[19:27] <rbelem> yofel, i have to ifdef the patch
[19:27] <rbelem> yofel, yup
[19:27] <yofel> ah right
[19:29] <BluesKaj> rbelem, winactive ?
[19:30] <yofel> kwinactive
[19:39] <rbelem> yofel, do you think startactive should depend on kde-window-manager-active?
[19:39] <rbelem> brb
[19:54] <bulldog98> rbelem: where is the lockscreen located?
[20:07] <bulldog98> yofel: what to do with marble-touch, since it uses meego stuff?
[20:10] <yofel> bulldog98: sorry, I didn't take a close look at it yte
[20:10] <yofel> *yet
[20:11] <bulldog98> maybe we should just drop the binary, since we don’t have meego qml stuff in archive right?
[20:28] <bulldog98> rbelem: the about app is working with mouse, but refuses to accept touch
[20:41] <rbelem> bulldog98, in a branch in kde-workspace
[20:41] <bulldog98> hm
[20:42] <rbelem> bulldog98, everything is working with mouse here, i did not test with touchscreens yet
[20:42] <rbelem> no hardware
[20:43] <bulldog98> rbelem: yes mouse works, but touchscreens says (Console) Got touch without getting TouchBegin for id #
[20:43] <bulldog98> -> no touchable switch from the about tab to authors or license
[20:44] <bulldog98> and no flicking in license with touch (mouse works for that)
[20:47] <rbelem> bulldog98, no clue about what should be done
[20:48] <bulldog98> rbelem: some how it also says "Cannot load library icui18n: … not found"
[20:48] <bulldog98> is the first message
[20:50] <rbelem> bulldog98, it is a harmless warning
[20:50] <bulldog98> rbelem: and for what is that library?
[20:52] <rbelem> bulldog98, unicode thing
[20:53] <bulldog98> rbelem: why isn’t it installed?
[20:56] <bulldog98> why do I get a QObject::connect: No such signal AppView::titleChanged(QString)?
[20:57] <tsimpson> does it exist?
[20:57] <jalcine> Is that method marked as a signal?
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> http://woboq.com/blog/new-signals-slots-syntax-in-qt5.html
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> <3
[21:32] <tsimpson> oh, that looks nice
[21:33] <bulldog98> tsimpson: that isn’t really the problem
[21:34] <bulldog98> the problem is that something in FlickableWebView.qml is wrong
[21:34] <bulldog98> rbelem: ^
[21:34] <bulldog98> under applications/about/package/conte…/ui/
[21:48] <yofel> qt5++
[21:53] <bulldog98> yofel: +1
[21:57] <bulldog98> rbelem: the browser also does not work with touch
[21:57] <bulldog98> seems like clicking is not possible
[21:57] <bulldog98> because hovering works
[22:02]  * bulldog98 -> toBed();
[22:04] <MountainX> Kubuntu 12.04 is not shutting down properly for me. It hangs at the blue screen with Kubuntu logo. Where's best place to discuss this?
[22:12] <BluesKaj> MountainX, at #ubuntu+1 . they also handle kubuntu 12.04 support
[22:24] <micahg> akregator in precise is crashing like crazy on this phoronix article: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_precise_desktop&num=1
[22:24] <micahg> dr konqi refuses to install debug symbols saying they can't be found
[22:24]  * micahg doesn't have time to debug further at the moment
[23:16] <MountainX> how should I report a bug that happens on shutdown. No idea what package is involved and the GUI is no longer running.
[23:18] <Riddell> MountainX: report on upstart maybe
[23:29] <Riddell> yofel: k-d-s and plymouth uploaded
[23:30] <Riddell> rbelem: does something need uploaded from you?