[01:06] Hello all. I'm trying to make an oldish computer usable to help kids learn to program with scratch. [01:06] What do you need help with? [01:06] The specs are: Pentium III 1000 MHz 384 MB ram, 40 GB HDD [01:06] Lubuntu can use that [01:07] Got a few people here running older ones, yep. [01:07] I'm wondering whether this is enough to run comfortably Lubuntu, a web browser with Java and Scratch. [01:07] It should run fine under lubuntu [01:08] What is Scratch written in? [01:08] I'm presently running Xubuntu with this computer (the one I'm using to type right now!) but it's sluggish. [01:08] Lubuntu should run faster [01:08] I believe is actionscript, but I'm not sure [01:09] user_: i think it will run Lubuntu fine. [01:09] Alright, well java might be the fastest, but should all work in the end. [01:10] I've been told that Lubuntu is harder to configure than Xubuntu. What could be the difficulty ? [01:10] I will link you to a giude for after instillation [01:10] Just a tad, and it's a little more file based config, but only with openbox. [01:11] I used fluxbox for a long time so lubuntu is like nothing to me XD [01:12] This should be a system where the OS is out of the way as much as possible so that the kids can focus on Scratch. [01:12] and not on tinkering with the OS. [01:12] should be fine [01:12] Well, I have it running like that for my dad, he's over 60. [01:13] Hey! I'm almost there too! LOL [01:14] I feel young [01:14] you might be, it's all in the attitude [01:15] 16 so [01:15] But I think I am mature for my age. [01:15] My mom is using ubuntu and she's 83. The only thing is that when I ask her whether she likes it better than Windows she can't tell the difference!!! LOL [01:16] You can join us in #lubuntu-offtopic as well. [01:16] Ups. Sorry for going off-topic here. [01:17] herpy: can you link me to the info you mentioned? Thxs. [01:17] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ ? [01:18] Thank you. [01:18] He may have been talking about something else though. [01:18] He mentioned a guide for after installation [01:19] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880394 [01:19] I need to be able to add a repository to synaptic and to install java to a web browser. [01:19] user_: those ar ethe best people to put on linux actually.. because 1. as long as they can surf the web , send email, maybe chat on occasion or upload pictures from their camera, they don't care what OS they use... and 2. because they are NOT tech savvy, they don't run the risk of being constantly exposed to malware, viruses, etc. [01:20] the worst people to convert, are the ones who start using Linux, and the first thing they want to do is make it more like Windows (how do i run my Windows apps, in windows I do this.. why isn't it this way in Linux) [01:21] Yeah, I found it was easy to switch her to Ubuntu. Especially because I was giving her the computer [01:22] user_, ubuntu with unity or preunity? [01:22] well and again, it's not a complex switch, when windows is totally confusing.. Linux will be no more/less confusing... it just won't be as vulnerable (which makes things easier for you since you're likely the support mechanism) [01:22] I used Windows till I was 12. Then converted to linux. Easy for my if I say so myself [01:22] The next one is my brother. I'm not in the business of evangelizing people with Open Source software but I do it because I don't have to provide as much support. [01:23] GridCube: pre Unity. [01:23] :) i see [01:23] I'm still uncomfortable around Unity. I know I've got to get used to it but haven't have the energy. [01:23] To tell you the truth I am not fond of unity, which is why I use lubuntu [01:23] trust me, i've put several elderly people on Ubuntu.. they don't care about anything... it all works, they aren't getting viruses, they can shop online, they can send/receive pictures, and do some light web surfing.. thats all they want. [01:24] I wish I could just install Knoppix on their computers. [01:24] i'm not fond of unity either... i stopped talking to any of my friends who use Unity, because obviously they are insane.. :) [01:24] It has all the eye candy they may want, runs fast, is easy. [01:24] why knoppix? (just curious) [01:24] well heck, if you want eyecandy, go Kubuntu [01:24] If you want eye candy go compiz [01:25] I got that running in lubuntu sucessfully [01:25] lol [01:25] herpy: with what kind of hardware? [01:25] My cpu is reletivly new [01:26] amd 64 bit with 4 gigs of ram [01:26] 1TB Hdd [01:26] the eye candy is not for me but for my brother / mother, etc. People I want to help but don't want to provide support very frequently. [01:26] And an ati/amd fglrx graphics card [01:26] Then send them here [01:26] or the fourms [01:26] Ahh, not the kind of specs for the computers I'm loading and giving away here. [01:27] if you want eye candy then go with the e17 windows manager [01:27] for low spec [01:27] e17 under Lubuntu? [01:27] Easy to obtain with a simply sudo apt-get install e17 [01:28] Ok. Thanks I'll try that one too. [01:28] But that's if you want eye candy [01:28] It's not cumbersome to admin? [01:28] if you need really low spec, i'd look at crunchbang linux. [01:28] (if it's still around) [01:28] Eye candy not for me, for the ppl I want to help out. [01:28] I would not say so, I played around with it [01:28] user_: you cant have eyecandy and low specs... you have to be realistic [01:28] CVrunchbang is still alive and well [01:28] Crunchbang* [01:28] KM0201, #! aint really lowspecky actually [01:28] KM0201: AntiX and slitaz are hard to beat. [01:29] antix is good. [01:29] slitaz is good too [01:29] never tried it [01:29] whats it based on? [01:29] mmm let me check [01:29] If you want low spec then try either antix or go with Vector Linux which is slackware based [01:29] lubuntu is the best [01:29] Slitaz is it's own. [01:30] KM0201: thanks, I know for this computer I'm talking about I need something simple, unobtrusive. That's why I though of Lubuntu. [01:30] i like Lubuntu, no intent to change, but he keeps saying he wants "very light but w/ visual effects", etc.. it doesn't go hand in hand. [01:30] user_: oh ok, when i think "effects" i think compiz type crap [01:30] for my relatives' computers I might need something better. [01:30] user_: again, define "better" [01:31] if they are the type that are going to be annoyed by Lubuntu's simplicity, they aren't gonna like Linux period and will be asking you to reinstall windows [01:31] You can setup Lubuntu to be all shiny as well, 神癒礁湖 had a few good blog posts on different ways. [01:31] better in the sense that the computer should have at least 512 MB [01:32] well, explain exactly what you want to do on a machine w/ 512mb of ram [01:32] slitaz and Crunchbang* is no more update [01:32] both my brother and mother just want the computer to use webmail, facebook and that kind of stuff. [01:32] AngelForget: Thanks. good to know. [01:33] user_: then explain to me why you need to bloat their OS to do those few things? [01:33] AngelForget: Slitaz (while being offtopic) *just* released their new version, they're alive. [01:34] KM0201: I don't need to bloat a thing. Users usually like eye-candy. I want to provide a good experience. I don't need to define good for you. Do I? [01:34] no, of course not [01:34] but.. my point is.. if you want eye candy, you have to be realistic in the specs of your machine [01:34] if you have 512mb of ram, you can't expect to run a bunch of eyecandy [01:34] I agree 100% with you. [01:35] Low spec computer, great expectations. That's why I look for linux flavours. [01:35] If they want eyecandy that bad then get a refurbished cpu with at least 2 gigs ram on it [01:35] herpy: exactly [01:35] user_: thats exactly my point, using Linux, doesn't change the fact that eyecandy requires resources [01:35] are alive because many people think they make the best choice of having a system that is very light but then travano to have problems with the various components of the PC [01:36] slitaz looks complex [01:37] I think I've got what I was looking for and some more. You people helped me a lot. Thank you. Have a nice evening. [01:37] it is, but i made it run on a pentium II [01:37] hmm [01:38] with 128mb ram [01:38] :P [01:38] you too user! [01:38] user_: Have a nice night! [01:38] GridCube: Silly gridder. [01:38] :P [01:38] lubuntu is run inside pentium II [01:39] :D [01:39] awesum [01:39] oldest machine i have is a 1ghz AMD, 1gig of ram. [01:39] works very well. [01:39] back in the day, i had a 700mhz laptop w/ 512mb of ram. [01:39] 40gig hard drive i think [01:39] but the motherboard went out on it. [01:40] Might be a good idea to start checking that people have hardware compatible with PAE kernel. [01:40] in xubuntu we got nonpae kernels [01:41] Same here, but 12.10 they'll remove totally, so I hear. [01:41] mmhm [01:41] i wonder if this all are not topics for offtopic [01:41] what do you mean, "nonpae" [01:42] seems perfectly relevant to me [01:42] i think to many people make a big deal out of "on topic" and "off topic".. if people are asking questions and we are just chattering, thats one thing [01:42] but.. nobody is here asking a question [01:43] KM0201, we use the standard kernel that does not force you to have a pae compatible system [01:43] thus "nonpae" [01:43] Some people don't ask questions if they feel they will break the current talk. [01:43] oh ok GridCube [01:43] Unit193: well, shame on them. [01:43] If you have a question then ask it [01:44] i don't [01:44] that's my motto [01:44] oh, exactly [01:44] i totally agree [01:44] how do i set the date and time [01:44] you can use ntp [01:44] (Plus the other one isn't logged) [01:44] it'll keep you adjusted to your locale [01:45] oh [01:45] (this is helpful if you change for DST, etc..) [01:46] can i run windsow app on lubuntu [01:46] You can using wine, but it's always better to find native progrma. [01:46] programs too. [01:46] wine is so hit/miss [01:46] i have wine but it doesn't seen to work [01:48] what program? [01:48] the wine appdb is also helpful. [01:49] wine [01:50] yes wine [01:50] is the program for runnig the windows sortware [01:50] Maximoto: i mean, what program are you trying to run inside wine [01:51] by the way, here's instructions to set your clock to the ntp server (i just typed them up for you) [01:51] http://pastebin.com/7KqST9mJ [01:52] oh yeah the clock just updated itself funny huh [01:53] ok [01:53] what program are you trying to run inside wine? [01:53] !appdb [01:53] hmm [01:54] browsers, player, anything that is usrful [01:54] !appdb [01:54] The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help [01:54] lol [01:54] wha thappened to ubottu? [01:54] KM0201: Server down, it's a backup. [01:54] oh ok [01:57] so can i get visualbox [01:57] what is visualbox? [01:58] i saw it for ubuntu it can run any app you wise to use for any os [01:58] well i never heard of it, but... any statement like htat, is bound to be false [01:58] or do you mean Virtualbox [01:58] Virtualbox you mean? [01:59] and even then, that statement is false when compared to virtualbox as well. [01:59] :D i guess so [01:59] what do you mean what does it do [01:59] Cause virtual box runs operating systems in a virtual machiene [01:59] Maximoto: virtualbox is just a way to run two operating systems at the same time, but you hae to have the disks, etc.. to install the OS inside virtualbox. [01:59] Maximoto: virtualbox.org [02:01] wow you people like to give links and my browser is crap but the INTERNET is fast [02:01] Maximoto: what do you mean "like to give links".. if you want to read about virtualbox, thats where you read about it [02:02] Virtualbox is a virtualizer for x86 and amd64 architectures. It's available in the package "virtualbox" in the !repositories, and you can download the Virtualbox Extension Pack for additional, non-Free functionality at http://virtualbox.org . Additional details can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox [02:02] pfft... how dare you post links! [02:03] And browsers can be crap on slower computers, disabling flash and java can help. :P [02:03] Unit193: now that's what i needed to see. [02:03] KM0201: how can i? [02:03] Cool, from the bot. [02:05] Unit193: so how do i get os to run in it [02:05] Maximoto: you create a virtual machine, and run the virtual machine inside virtualbox [02:05] You setup a virtual HD, and get a iso to install to it. [02:08] all nice, i would like to downgraded my 11.04 to 10.04 how do i, no good browsers available by the way [02:09] Reinstall, that's the only way. [02:09] how do i [02:09] Maximoto: no good browsers on 11.04? vs 10.04? they both have the same browsers available [02:09] what browser are you haing so much trouble with? [02:10] chromium [02:10] weird, chromium works fantastic here [02:12] Maximoto: i'm curious what maks you think going to 10.04 would resolve this problem [02:13] don't know but i need a os that use less ram [02:13] Maximoto how much ram does your system haver? [02:13] *have [02:13] everything works fine expect the browser [02:14] 101MB sad [02:14] 101mb? (like, 101mb.. or was that a typo) [02:14] if thats the case, i'm amazed Lubuntu even booted [02:14] yeah 101 [02:15] well, i don't know what you expect Lubuntu to do about that. [02:15] you don't have near enough RAM to run any modern browser [02:15] thats not to do w/ browsers being crap, thats your machine being crap [02:15] and with that little ram [02:15] yes [02:15] you can forget running virtualbox [02:15] yes [02:18] KM0201: runs pretty fine to me... :) that's all that matters to me just need a good browser [02:18] Maximoto: again, "good browser" [02:18] no "good browser" is going to run on 101mb of ram [02:19] i will make one hahaha [02:19] Maximoto: Best you're going to be able to do is elinks2, midori, or arora. [02:20] oh none aren't available i check it out [02:21] i'm not sure i'd consider elinks2 "good".. i don't have any real experience with midori or arora [02:21] wow this place is quiet [02:22] KM0201: I don't think I'd call any of those "good" at this time. [02:22] lancesrage: that could be a good thing (things work so well, nobody has problems to discuss..lol) [02:22] lancesrage: that's what i said when i got here [02:22] Unit193: yeah, i'm not familiar with the other two.. [02:22] i do sadly :( [02:22] lancesrage: well, we don't just sit in here and idle chat most of the time.. ask your question [02:22] *smashes face into keyboard* [02:22] k [02:23] i cant figure out how to partition more space to the windows partition [02:23] i have 4.7 free space and cant add it to the drive [02:23] you'll need to boot a live cd/USB.. and use a partition editor to do that. [02:24] only problem i dont have the xp disk to fix it after wards [02:24] or a cd burner to make said disk [02:24] but.. depending on your partition layout, this could be a massive PITA.. it might be easier, backup data your linux partitions, delete them, size your windos partition to the size you want, then reinstall Linux on the empty partition. [02:24] thats probably what i would do. [02:25] dont have the linux disk anymore all my stuff got lost in my last move :( [02:25] then you're SOL [02:25] you can't partition a disk in use. [02:25] ikr [02:25] or download/burn a new disk [02:25] or USB, if you have a 2gig flash drive handy [02:26] i have tried the usb install before i never got it to work [02:26] what do you mean "never got it to work" [02:27] following the instructions on the page for usb install the computer said there was no OS data on the device [02:27] is your machine capable of booting USB? [02:27] yes [02:27] cuz usually that error comes when you rmachine can't boot USB> [02:28] i wish ubuntu could play games :( i would never need windows again [02:28] windows can play games [02:28] *ubuntu can play games [02:28] just not windows games [02:29] windows games ARE SO much cooler [02:29] ikr [02:29] i use to have NFS, GOW, and GTA [02:30] just guess ill have to ask a friend to burn a new ubuntu disk and wipe the hdd seems best atm :| [02:30] im trying to get allods online running again [02:30] but ran out of room on c drive [02:31] due to so many updates i have missed [02:31] what os are you running now [02:31] xp sp2 [02:31] and you want to run? ubuntu [02:32] i have ubuntu as dual boot [02:32] but... wait what's your problem again? :d [02:32] :D [02:32] Maximoto: he needs to give more space to xp. [02:32] Anyone here had experience making Sierra Wireless USB stuff work with Lubuntu? [02:32] he needs a live cd/usb to do that [02:32] i need to add more space from a 4.7gb unalocated space to C drive in windows [02:33] KM0201: to reinstall it right? [02:36] lancesrage: yeah you need what KM0201 said [02:37] this games are so boring and cool games other than the games that come on it? [02:37] Maximoto, games? [02:37] ah yeah [02:38] Maximoto: yes, to reinstall [02:38] well, reinstalling will be easiest [02:38] or he can use the live cd/usb, booot it, and spend 27hrs relocating his current partitions [02:39] lol ill just wipe and reinstall :P [02:39] have to find a friend who can burn the disks i need from the isos i have [02:39] lancesrage: youd on't need to wipe XP... just wipe your lubuntu partitions, resize your xp partition to the size you want, then put lubuntu back on the remaining free space. [02:40] i dont have te disk for it [02:40] usb boot is impossiable too [02:44] lancesrage: but you can boot from a cd [02:49] maximoto i dont habve the cd anymore and my computer does not have a cd burner [02:49] aaah he left :( === P4R4N01D1 is now known as P4R4N01D [07:49] I am testing Lubuntu 12.04 in a virtual machine since a while. I am wondering why the windows are always opened maximized. For example, when I open PCManFM, it always opens maximized. How can I change this behavier? [07:51] make shortcut in homedir "exec= pcmanfm /path_to/folder" it open folder in new tab. how to open in the same tab? [07:55] Was fixed in a newer version, rename .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml to something else [07:55] See if that fixes it. [07:57] Unit193, is this the answer for my question or for JohnDoe_71Rus's [07:58] Woops, yours. [07:58] ah thx, I will try it [07:58] JohnDoe_71Rus: You placed a desktop file in a folder to make it easier to get around? [07:59] If so, use a symlink. [08:00] make *.desctop in home dir. with this comand and folder icon [08:03] yeah, that fixed it Unit193 =) [08:03] Great, I'm sure you figured out anything you changed will no longer be in there. [08:04] yes, there is now a new lubuntu-rc-xml file [08:47] how can i customize lubuntu environment? [08:48] meet: what do you want to customize? :) [08:48] like how to add icons to the desktop, remove some of the clutter on the bottom right screen near the power button, etc [08:48] i want to make it as simple as possible. my mom is gonna use it. and i dont want her to complain that winxp is better than this :D [08:48] meet: go to the applications menu, hover above the application you want on your desktop => add to desktop [08:48] :) [08:49] meet: to remove the clutter, right click => remove or something similar :) [08:49] ok. smile i want your opinion. [08:49] ubuntu 10.10 or lubuntu? [08:50] lubuntu. it's easier than ubuntu 10.10 :) [08:50] great. and will all ubuntu packages work here too? [08:51] yes :D exept for the dropbox gnome-packages :) but you won't need that i think :) and syncing works.. just the integration (right click => share) is missing [08:52] meet: additional questions? :) [08:53] ok. and i have got .deb files on my laptop. so can i use them directly for the desktop installion. b'cos i have got a slow internet connection here and downloading all of them again will be a pain [08:53] yes ;) they will work IF the dependency's are installed :) [08:53] gr8! [08:53] yeah ;) [08:54] so dependencies mean the lib8 etc files right? [08:54] and i suppose they are not too big in size [08:54] the files who are needed by the .deb files to work properly = dependencies :) [08:55] meet: which .debs do you have? :) [08:55] mainly wine [08:55] and chrome [08:56] google chrome or chromium? :) [09:01] meet: i'm here almost the whole day so if you have questions :D [09:14] thanks a lot smile :) [09:14] i got chrome [09:15] the one with colorful logo :D [09:20] meet: okay! :D [09:23] where can i find the .deb of softwares installed through software center [09:29] smile should i use wubi to install lubuntu alongside winxp? [09:29] it will be easier right? [09:30] meet: hmm.. i wouldn't do that. :p [09:30] meet: if you have already windows, lubuntu installing in dual boot is easy. :) [09:31] meet: "where can i find the .deb of softwares installed through software center" => maybe you want to look at packages.ubuntu.com (or .org, don't know) :) [09:32] in dual booting does lubuntu install in the same drive as winxp [09:32] because i am not comfy with partitioning and all. [09:33] meet: same drive, another partition :) you can use gparted to prepare your disk OR you can use the built-in partioner (Lubuntu Setup) :) [09:33] sry for all these questions. but i got c: and d: as two partitions. both of 40gb [09:33] winxp on c [09:34] so should i go with d: for lubuntu [09:34] and will it erase all the existing data on d [09:35] have you got enough free space on d:? :) [09:36] It will erase all data, but you can make D: smaller and create an E: or F: ;) [09:36] for Lubuntu :) [09:37] @ meet [09:37] and why not wubi? [09:38] it's slower and in the past, i had more problems with wubi than a "native" (normal dual boot) install [09:39] i just created a bootable usb for lubuntu. i will test drive lubuntu on that old machine. what all aspects should i check? [09:41] jhello [09:41] meet: if internet is working, if the desktop is loading properly (graphics resolution = ok? ) :) [09:41] orangblume: hi. Questions? :) [09:41] yes much [09:41] over there in ubuntu channel they wont help me [09:41] :( [09:41] orangblume: i'll help you if i'm able to do it :) one question / time :) [09:42] But first should i tell something about me:D [09:42] okay.. :) [09:42] well i never used linux before but for now i installed lubuntu. unfortunately there is nooo arial or times new roman [09:43] orangblume: the ubuntu font looks very good. :) [09:43] that may be but i have to use arial or tiems new roman [09:44] orangblume: i'll try to help you :) [09:44] (is trying something out) [09:45] orangblume: i'm trying "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts" - i'll let you know if it works :) [09:46] yes cool [09:48] hehe smile what do you do for a living? or are u a lubuntu developer or something? [09:48] :D [09:51] meet: lubuntu translator & experienced debian/ubuntu/linux mint user :) [09:51] i'm not yet working :) [09:54] would like to the job u r doing now, but unfortunately i dont have that much knowledge [09:54] :D [09:54] and lubuntu uses which environment? [09:54] meet: LXDE :) [09:55] lxde. ok. better than gnome? [09:55] fast environment, better than gnome 3 :) [09:55] lxde is a little bit better than gnome 2 :) [09:56] gnome 3 sucks :| but that's just my opinion :) [09:56] I agree with smile [09:57] NQTropic: Xfce in fall back mode is even better :o and that already sucks. ;) [09:58] how much is recommended size of the partition i am going to install lubuntu should be [09:59] meet: I would say +- 15-22 GB :) [09:59] 15 is good? thats nice [09:59] I use 16Gb for / and then 2Gb swap and rest for /home [09:59] yes. but if you want to install a lot of programs you will need more :p [10:00] my / has 3.2Gb used [10:00] meet: if you store all your data on your D and Lubuntu is on E or F, you will have enough space :) [10:00] NQTropic: really cool isn't it ;) [10:01] smile, yes I prefer it [10:01]