[00:00] <jeremiah__> you prbly wont help. i bet 5 bucks
[00:00] <jeremiah__> more like wont be able to help
[00:01] <neooo> So what is the best gui ? also can i make the native ubuntu just like xubuntu and kubuntu?
[00:01] <jeremiah__> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI M64-S [Mobility Radeon X2300]
[00:03] <KM0201> neooo: no real "best" GUI... it's all opinion... you can install xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop on your current installl, and be able to select your GUI at the login screen, but that ends up a discombobulated mess in my opinion.
[00:05] <Daekdroom> Yeah. You'll have a huge amount of apps installed.
[00:09] <KM0201> Daekdroom: i wish there was a way to keep all that separate.
[00:10] <jeremiah__> KM0201, i take it as you wont help.
[00:10] <jeremiah__> or cant
[00:11] <KM0201> can't
[00:11] <KM0201> sorry
[00:11] <KM0201> i thought i had replied to you
[00:11] <KM0201> jeremiah__: and you say "additional drivers" doesn't show an ATI drive you can install?
[00:11] <neooo> KM0201, so its the default gui that i should stick with?
[00:11] <jeremiah__> doesn't show a thing.
[00:12] <neooo> jeremiah__, whats the issue? matbe i can help
[00:12] <KM0201> well, "I" would... if you want to try the other GUI's (KDE, XFCE,LXDE).. download their respective ISO's (kubuntu.org , xubuntu.org , lubuntu.net) and try them on a live USB.. if you like one over the other, then i would just clean install it over Ubuntu
[00:12] <KM0201> jeremiah__: hmm
[00:13] <KM0201> only thing i can figure, is seeing if ATI has a driver on their site.
[00:13] <Daekdroom> X2300 does not have support by the AMD Catalyst driver since 9.04, I think
[00:13] <KM0201> ah, i see
[00:14] <KM0201> i didn't think that device was that old
[00:14] <Daekdroom> The open source driver, however, should work very well with it.
[00:14] <neooo> brb, nned to reboot
[00:14] <KM0201> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/946572
[00:14] <KM0201> jeremiah__: does that look like what you're experiencing?
[00:15] <jeremiah__> neooo, ubuntu freezes for me time to time and i have installed ubuntu 12.04, 11.10 twice, both of them from diff. discs and they kept freezing for me, and one time didn't boot. that was for the first three. it has not died yet for this one.
[00:15] <jeremiah__> KM0201, yes, that is what happens. how do i switch?
[00:15] <KM0201> switch what?
[00:16] <jeremiah__> to tty
[00:16] <KM0201> oh.. alt +.. f1,f2, f3, f4, f5, and i think f6 brings you back (i don't use tty that often)
[00:16] <jeremiah__> that is what happens, it freezes, but my mouse still moves
[00:16] <jeremiah__> ????
[00:17] <KM0201> you asked how to switch to tty
[00:17] <jeremiah__> explain
[00:17] <arand> !tty
[00:17] <jeremiah__> i didn't understand
[00:17] <KM0201> there you go, thank you arand
[00:18] <jeremiah__> so why swicth to a terminal looking thing? someone told me to do this but never gave a reason.
[00:19] <KM0201> some people just like to use it.
[00:19] <KM0201> you asked how to switch, so we told you.
[00:20] <jeremiah__> but what does it do?!
[00:20] <jeremiah__> i don't think changing screen resulution will fix it....
[00:20] <KM0201> no, it's not a resolution issue.
[00:21] <KM0201> Daekdroom: said to try installing the driver... (i think you have to do that from ATI's site).. i've never done that, and don't have the first clue how.
[00:21] <jeremiah__> so what do i do when i open tty?
[00:21] <KM0201> frankly, i'd just dump 3D, and go w/ one of the 2D desktops (lxde or xfce) and not worry about it... i'm assuming this machine is not for gaming
[00:21] <KM0201> jeremiah__: i told you, i don't know, i don't use ATI
[00:21] <neooo> lol, does ubuntu even needs AMD card's drivers?
[00:21] <Daekdroom> He CAN'T install the driver from ATI's website.
[00:22] <KM0201> oh.
[00:22] <Daekdroom> The Catalyst driver doesn't support that card anymore
[00:22] <KM0201> why not?
[00:22] <KM0201> ohhhh..ok
[00:22] <jeremiah__> why?
[00:22] <Daekdroom> and neooo is right.
[00:22] <KM0201> then i'd just switch to 2D..
[00:22] <Daekdroom> The opensource driver Ubuntu ships is VERY good.
[00:22] <Daekdroom> KM0201, you don't get it! He doesn't have to!
[00:22] <KM0201> i'm saying if it's a graphics card problem (which that bug report seemed to suggest)
[00:22] <Daekdroom> The only ones that really need the driver from the AMD website are those that have cards the opensource driver doesn't support well yet.
[00:23] <Daekdroom> (and those that want to play games, or need good powersaving)
[00:23] <neooo> like me, who has nvidia
[00:24] <neooo> btw, are there any good multiplayer games?
[00:24] <Daekdroom> Yeah. Nvidia's drivers support some very ancient cards (but they don't do anything to help the opensource driver develpment)
[00:25] <neooo> yeppp, i have 8400gs
[00:25] <neooo> lol
[00:25] <KM0201> i don't mind a "closed" driver, so long as it is well maintained and supported.. and frankly, Nvidia's is.
[00:27] <neooo> any good multiplayer game?
[00:27] <KM0201> i used to really like urban terror
[00:28] <KM0201> but haven't played in a long time
[00:28] <KM0201> then there was that other one that was popular.
[00:29] <KM0201> alien arena
[00:29] <KM0201> tremulous
[00:29] <KM0201> i never cared for tremulous
[00:29] <KM0201> but back in the day, i played urban terror and alien arena a lot
[00:30] <neooo> hmmm
[00:31] <neooo> i have played Urban terror in windows
[00:31] <neooo> nice game
[00:31] <KM0201> yeah, urban terror was one of my favs
[00:31] <KM0201> i spent a lot of time on that game
[00:31] <neooo> but when i use windows i play Tf2
[00:31] <neooo> the best
[00:31] <KM0201> but i reclassified my old PC to a file server, and only use laptops now, and i hate playing games on laptops
[00:32] <neooo> everyone does
[00:33] <KM0201> i've beenc onsiderng getting me a 360
[00:33] <neooo> this one looks good
[00:33] <neooo> teewords
[00:33] <neooo> get a 360 what?
[00:33] <KM0201> xbox 360
[00:33] <KM0201> i don't have a console
[00:33] <neooo> oh
[00:33] <neooo> my parents wont let me
[00:34] <KM0201> looks like a kids game to me (teeworlds)
[00:34] <KM0201> you might like tuxracer
[00:34] <KM0201> or supertuxkart (mario kart clone).. i liked that one also.
[00:36] <Bluefoxicy> alright boys and girls
[00:36] <Bluefoxicy> who uses Google Calendar?
[00:36] <KM0201> not i
[00:37] <Bluefoxicy> I added a CalDAV to Evolution for Google Calendar but it's not showing up in the calender thing on Gnome Shell
[00:37] <Bluefoxicy> click the date at the top and it just says no events for tomorrow, when my google calendar clearly has an event tomorrow
[00:37] <Bluefoxicy> ... but gnome shell does give me pop up reminders...
[00:43] <gorgonzola> hello peoples! i just updated to precise from oneiric on a del xps, and i'm getting hard locks whenever i try too boot the new 3.2 kernel. how can i save the kernel buffer to fill a bug report?
[00:43] <gorgonzola> ie, save the output immediately before the hard lock
[00:44] <jeremiah_> how do you fix coreutils, debianutils, gcc-4.6-base, libgcc1, libssl1.0.0, libstdc++6, libuuid1, python-apt, python-apt-common, tar
[00:55] <jeremiah__> how do you fix coreutils, debianutils, gcc-4.6-base, libgcc1, libssl1.0.0, libstdc++6, libuuid1, python-apt, python-apt-common, tar
[01:06] <Logan_> jeremiah__: What do you mean?
[01:12] <jeremiah__> ubuntu brought up an error, asked to report it, clicked yes, and it said it couldn't send report because these were broken
[01:13] <Logan_> Try running: sudo apt-get install -f
[01:15] <jeremiah__> errg. hang on. i am installing something else and it is busy so i have to wait....
[01:39] <jeremiah__> Logan_, still here?
[01:39] <Logan_> Hi.
[01:40] <jeremiah__> ok. good. i am now running it...
[01:41] <jeremiah__> now what?
[01:42] <Logan_> Did you receive a response?
[01:42] <jeremiah__> yes
[01:43] <jeremiah__> I think i have it installed though. it says 0 newly installed and all dat stuff
[01:43] <fall0ut> is dmraid broken on the 12.04 installer?
[01:44] <jeremiah__> fall0ut, are ye talking to me?
[01:45] <pangolin> jeremiah__, doubtful, usually on irc people address the user directly, when they don't it is a general statement or question in this case to the channel
[01:46] <jeremiah__> pangolin, logan is talking to me but he is not addressing me.
[01:46] <jeremiah__> and most people do that.
[01:46] <pangolin> true. I did say usually :)
[01:47] <Logan_> Hi.
[01:47] <fall0ut> it appears to be broken heh
[01:47] <jeremiah__> Logan_, hi.
[01:47] <Logan_> fall0ut: Are you using the latest daily build?
[01:47] <fall0ut> I'm using beta2 CD
[01:48] <Logan_> If something's broken on Beta 2, then it's probably fixed on the daily.
[01:48] <fall0ut> lemme try the latest
[01:48] <fall0ut> beta2 doesn't see any dmraid disks
[01:48] <fall0ut> and you can activate dmraid yourself from the console
[01:49]  * Logan_ is not sure. :-P
[01:49] <Logan_> Did it work in previous versions of Ubuntu?
[01:50] <fall0ut> no clue
[01:50] <fall0ut> new install
[01:50] <Bluefoxicy> i got it
[01:50] <Bluefoxicy> had to run r
[01:51] <Bluefoxicy> yay, gnome shell integration with google calendar :)
[02:04] <_klk_> hi all, i'm having trouble setting up a wireless connection on ubuntu server 12.04
[02:05] <_klk_> here is the iwconfig output:
[02:05] <_klk_> http://pastebin.com/RgEvqEQQ
[02:06] <ssfdre38> hey do you know why i get this error when i try and do a apt-get dist-upgrade http://paste.ssfdre38.com/1
[02:06] <_klk_> and here is the /etc/network/interfaces
[02:06] <_klk_> http://pastebin.com/zjP1rZcT
[02:07] <_klk_> when i do sudo ifup wlan0 i only get msgs of the following type in syslog:
[02:07] <_klk_> Apr 11 19:00:27 capdev0 dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 14
[02:08] <_klk_> does anyone have any tips for debugging this?
[02:18] <semitones> hello :)
[02:19] <semitones> Is the update process frozen at this point? Or is it still changing/improving
[02:19] <Daekdroom> There are a lot of bugfixes coming.
[02:19] <Daekdroom> And some feature freeze exceptions here and there.
[02:24] <semitones> oh, ok, i might as well wait until then :P
[02:42] <atpa8a> hmm
[02:42] <atpa8a> sysfs is not permanent, is it?
[02:43] <atpa8a> or persistent, i should say
[02:44] <tjr-> I'm trying to get more information on a bug during installation during the 'Setup and Install Package' step.  All the information the log says is "Depends: xxx but it is not installable".  How can I try and get more information about hwy it is not installable?
[03:04] <atpa8a> hmm
[03:05] <atpa8a> any idea how to make changes to sysfs stick?..
[03:21] <drp> Hi guys.  Can anyone give me an idea of 802.11n usb dongle support in 12.04?  Are there known working manufacturers or chipsets?
[03:22] <holstein> drp: you can try them live... id save the reciepts... you never know when a chipset gets changed or whatever
[03:24] <drp> :)  Ok, thanks.  The last time I really looked into this is 10.04, and the answer was bascially the same.
[03:25] <holstein> drp: the answer will never change
[03:25] <holstein> drp: the vendors that produce them *can* support linux anytime.. broadcom actually is or was recently
[03:26] <holstein> drp: still i believe it when i see it.. and save the recipts.. or buy hardware from a place like system76
[03:29] <drp> You bet, thanks for your time holstein.
[03:31] <holstein> drp: sure... good luck!
[03:49] <plustax> hey guys quick question. im doing sudo do-release-upgrade -d;  on my 1gram eeepc netbook from 10.04 to 12.04. Think this is a good idea? A little late now its already doing it but I want to make sure my computer can even run it
[03:52] <bazhang> not a good idea
[03:52] <bazhang> try a live usb first
[03:53] <plustax> a bit late for that lol. we'll see how it goes I suppose. Ill be sure to report for future screw-ups
[03:53] <plustax> in the mean time im downloading an image in case I need it
[04:04] <Belial`> plustax, you did a backup first, right?
[04:11] <plustax> Belial`, no, but I dont care. nothing on it to backup
[04:22] <astraljava> plustax: I have absolutely no idea why you chose to ask this late, then. :) But all the best to you and your system. *grin*
[04:22] <plustax> astraljava, lol I turned it off. liveusb fresh install time lol
[04:32] <vn> hi, is there a date fixed on which precise is the stable?
[04:34] <plustax> a couple weeks tops
[04:35] <astraljava> vn: Stabilization phase is on-going, final freeze happens tonight (UTC time). Who's to say, though, how late bugs are still found?
[04:35] <astraljava> I mean, software business would be pretty easy if it was _hat_ predictable. :)
[04:36] <astraljava> that*
[04:37] <vn> indeed, I'm just bored at work, cant wait to proceed to apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:43] <astraljava> vn: If you're bored, I highly recommend to upgrade. Chances are your boredom vanishes immediately. :D
[04:44] <astraljava> Or how is it said, "highly recommend upgrading"? That sounds a bit better, yeah.
[04:51] <vn> heh
[04:51] <vn> ofc but not a good idea necessarily for production env' ;)
[04:58] <len> It's usually not that risky upgrading when it's this close to release; especially when you're not using proprietary video drivers and the upcoming release is an LTS.   So upgrading now wouldn't exactly make you a daredevil :)
[05:00] <vn> not even using GUI stuff...
[05:00] <vn> its basically LAMPs, bind9, mailman, BEX clients, vmware-tools, ..
[05:02] <astraljava> Yeah well, it's a production system, do not play with an unnecessary risk. I'd even hold off a month after the release before upgrading.
[05:03] <len> vn, that's not the kind of stuff that's that exciting to upgrade.  :)  What new features are you looking for?  Will you really notice that much of a difference?
[05:05] <taneli> hmm.. 12.04 won't boot any more after this mornings update?
[05:07] <vn> astraljava: yea, my plan exactly...sadly
[05:07] <vn> len: nothing much seriously..
[05:07] <vn> is apt-get dist-upgrade still the way to go?
[05:12] <len> vn, If you're just looking for something to do, why not just load a copy onto someone's old decommissioned workstation and test it out?
[05:14] <vn> im not that bored but I guess I could yep
[05:25] <taneli> for some reason, grub had lost everything
[05:25] <taneli> manually specifying things let me boot
[05:25] <taneli> any idea why this would happen?
[05:25] <taneli> there was a kernel update
[05:57] <cjs> So, My T42 won't boot the 32-bit install CD due to the kernel wanting PAE and the processor not having it. I hear rumours that PAE support is being totally dropped.
[05:57] <cjs> http://news.softpedia.com/news/i386-non-PAE-Kernel-To-Be-Removed-from-Ubuntu-12-04-234434.shtml
[05:59] <micahg> cjs: try a lubuntu or xubuntu ISO
[05:59] <cjs> Hm. So non-PAE support is still available, it's just not installable via the regular ISO?
[05:59] <micahg> yes, for 12.04
[06:01] <KM0201> cjs: lubuntu is just downright sexy
[06:02] <cjs> I use the XFCE session manager, so I can live with installing Xubuntu. Though it always seemed to act a bit different from Ubuntu with the xfce desktop package installed.
[06:02] <cjs> lubuntu just had too much broken stuff for me when I tried it with 11.10.
[06:03] <Artemis3> Xubuntu is working very nicely
[06:04] <cjs> Hey, did they fix the issues with the panel and full screen?
[06:04] <KM0201> i don't care for xfce4
[06:04] <Artemis3> what issue?
[06:04] <cjs> On all my laptops, maximizing a window (in fvwm) puts part of it behind the panel, and on at least one, full-screen video still has the panel over top of it.
[06:04] <cjs> This was never a problem with gnome-panel.
[06:05] <Artemis3> i use xfwm that comes with xfce...
[06:05] <Artemis3> and there is no such issue
[06:06] <Artemis3> alt f11, or full screen apps such as wine, screen savers, vlc, no problems
[06:06] <Artemis3> with and without composite effects
[06:09] <cjs> Yeah, so I wonder if the xfce window manager and panel deal with this in a non-standard way.
[06:11] <Artemis3> you might want to ask the xfce ppl, or the fvwm, it's been at least a decade since i last touched fvwm
[06:15] <micahg> cjs: once you install, you can add whatever desktop env you want
[06:16] <cjs> micahg: Yup, I am pretty well aware of that, since I run a very heavily customized desktop environment.
[06:16] <cjs> Artemis3: Heck, I only upgraded from fvwm1 to fvwm2 a few years ago. :-)
[06:31] <GirlyGirl> Hi, my kde-telepathy instant messaging presence plasmoid has no icon so its invisible on the taskbar but works if I right click on the area where it is.
[07:25] <varikonniemi> hello, i am running precise and am sad to inform you that the volume slider still does not work for me. It worked in 11.04, but stopped working in 11.10
[07:25] <varikonniemi> so is this a result from switching from gnome2 to gnome3, is this a linux kernel regression, or what do you think
[07:26] <varikonniemi> where should i file a bug report? I tried asking about this in the forums when 11.10 was released, but no-one seemed able to have anything to chip in on the problem
[07:29] <KM0201> it's an obvious software issue
[07:29] <KM0201> if the volume applet is not working
[07:30] <KM0201> definitely not a kernel regression
[07:53] <MasterOfDisaster> hey, upgrading to precise seems to break groupwise (http://paste.ubuntu.com/926070). This happens when opening an email (i.e. rendering html), other functionality doesn't seem to be affected. Any idea on how to get to the bottom of this?
[07:56] <varikonniemi> KM0201, it works as on/off switch
[07:56] <Geralt> Hi, how can I enable a verbose boot screen? I removed the quiet option in /etc/default/grub and ran update-grub, but I still see no messages
[07:57] <varikonniemi> at least hitting esc should show you the text, iirc
[08:03] <Geralt> varikonniemi: if possible I'd like a boot screen that looks like this: http://images.brighthub.com/73/D/73D7266B1653A9BA0998797C8A2F951DE45FB071_large.jpg
[08:04] <varikonniemi> ok, that i have never before seen
[08:07] <Geralt> varikonniemi: It's from the following presentation http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/39504.aspx#secn_1 and although he uses grub1 he says to just remove the quiet option, but it's not working for me
[08:40] <varikonniemi> Apr 12 10:21:38 varikonniemi-desktop rsyslogd-2039: Could not open output pipe '/dev/xconsole' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ]
[08:40] <varikonniemi> i get this on every startup, is there a way to fix it?
[09:09] <knizz> The screen lock behaviour changed in Ubuntu 12.
[09:09] <knizz> Where can I find the code controlling this?
[09:16] <knizz> Anyone…?
[09:19] <glosoli> knizz: ?
[09:39] <osirisx111> i am on studio 12.04  and using gnome classic... i can't right click and go to panel properties anymore.. and i think i am missing my tray icons to things like pidgin and truecrypt
[09:59] <zniavre> osirisx111,  right clic +
[09:59] <zniavre>  alt *
[09:59] <zniavre> right clic + alt     sorry **
[09:59] <zniavre> alt + RC in fact ...
[09:59] <osirisx111> ooo alttt ty!
[10:16] <fishcooker> splash doen't work on asus notebook
[10:19] <Mars___> hello everybody~
[10:19] <fishcooker> hello mars
[10:19] <fishcooker> are u on PP already
[10:20] <fishcooker> mars___
[10:20] <fishcooker> mars__
[10:20] <Mars___> who can i chat ?
[10:20] <Mars___> on pp? what means?
[10:22] <bitplane-> Hi all. What happened to the options to change the speaker layout? The sub on my laptop isn't working
[10:22] <fishcooker> Precise pangoline
[10:22] <fishcooker> :p
[10:23] <bitplane-> Moar liek blunt blunstrument
[10:23] <bitplane-> is it a Gnome thing?
[10:26] <Mars___> what is it?
[10:26] <Mars___> oh i don't know what you said .
[10:26] <bitplane-> the sound settings panel in gnome-control-center
[10:28] <Mars___> i thank you for him .
[10:28] <bitplane-> "gnome-control-center sound-nua" apparently... hrm where do I get this src?
[10:30] <Mars___>   looks like ,only i'm talking to you .
[10:33] <bitplane-> ugh. looks like the Ubuntu version has a million patches
[10:34] <Mars___> yes ,there are many.and where are you from?
[10:35] <Mars___> are you England?
[10:35] <bitplane-> Yes
[10:37] <vega-_> where do i set the default browser in unity? (precise)
[10:38] <Mars___> ugh,the ubuntu ,he could let me quit the game.
[10:38] <Mars___> how do you think ?
[10:39] <vega-_> in System -> Details ... sigh, how logical
[10:41] <Mars___> i also do not understand.sorry.
[10:42] <bitplane-> vega-_: looks like that's named badly. I wonder if there's a bug for that
[10:42] <bitplane-> It should be called "Defaults" or something
[10:43] <bitplane-> also Chromium ought to change that setting, but it doesn't
[10:44] <bitplane-> yeah default applications should be separate from system information
[10:44] <arand> That's a gnome3 thing.
[10:45] <bitplane-> arand, is the removal of the speaker configuration also a gnome3 thing?
[10:45] <bitplane-> I'd like to know who to whine at for removing that
[10:45] <arand> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657012
[10:46] <arand> bitplane-: That I don
[10:47] <arand> ..'t know, I'm guessing so, and that you'd be using the pulsaudio configuration to do that...
[10:48] <vega-_> bitplane-: well, not that it's "behind" Details you cannot search for it with the search-thingie or whatever it is called when you press the windows keyu
[10:48] <vega-_> not=now
[10:48] <arand> bitplane-: pavucontrl, possibly
[10:49] <bitplane-> super, thanks!
[10:52] <bitplane-> hmm, okay.. is there a profile editor for this?
[11:01] <Will123456> do you think the right click quick list menus should be the same colour as the launcher/dash?
[11:02] <blami> no
[11:02] <Will123456> blami: why not?
[11:03] <mauror> I have found a little bug in the intaller of beta2...
[11:04] <mauror> Just aesthetics, and I don't know if i am still in time to submit such low level bugs...
[11:04] <mauror> Sorry, new to the community, my advanced apologies to everybody!
[11:04] <Will123456> mauror: it's fine - what's the bug?
[11:05] <blami> Will123456: as launcher and dash colors are derived from wallpaper there wouldnt be contrast between quick list menus and wallpaper or dash
[11:05] <Will123456> blami: that's a fair point! i suppose colouring it the same as the icon that spawned it might look too garish too
[11:05] <mauror> During the install, some screenshots are displayed, the one saying the sound manager is rythmbox, still shows a videocapture of banshee...
[11:06] <[4-tea-2]> Hi, is the grub message "error: no such partition" after upgrading to 12.04 a common problem and is there a workaround?
[11:06] <barf> Hmmm, I’m connected via wifi, but the icon on top meny does not show any "bananas" nor does it show the wifi profile in use.
[11:07] <Will123456> mauror: it's worth reporting. even if they decide against changing it, though given that it's a minor detail it shouldn't be too bad
[11:07] <bitplane-> wifi bananas, I like that
[11:08] <bitplane-> barf, do you mean it shows no signal strength, or is the indicator and drop-down menu completely missing?
[11:09] <barf> It shows no signal strength, and it does not show the available hot spots
[11:09] <mauror> Will123456: it is not clear against what I should file a report, 12.04, precise...???
[11:09] <barf> drop down menu is there, but far too much stuff is greyed out, compared to yesterday’s 10.04 system
[11:09] <mauror> (My fault)
[11:10] <[4-tea-2]> "error: no such partition", anyone?
[11:10] <barf> [4-tea-2]: mounted elsewhere?
[11:10] <mauror> Sorry, have to go to work...
[11:10] <[4-tea-2]> barf: it's a grub message
[11:10] <bitplane-> barf, can you get a screenshot please? also what wifi card are you using?
[11:11] <barf> bitplane-: the macchine is called: Acer Aspire 7715
[11:11] <barf> bitplane-: How do I make a screenshot?
[11:11] <bitplane-> Press the printscreen key!
[11:12] <bitplane-> [4-tea-2]: I've not seen anyone complain about that in here. I guess raise a bug and attach your grub config
[11:12] <bitplane-> and of course hack it so it works
[11:12] <[4-tea-2]> I updated from 11.10 to 12.04 on a dual-boot system, now trying to boot any of the grub entries (incl. Windows) results in a number of "error: no such partition" messages. I can't find an obvious mistake in the grub stanzas.
[11:12] <bitplane-> oh :/
[11:13] <Will123456> okay guys - inc. blami: i did this in 10 seconds, so give me your opinions: http://www.locker101.co.uk/colourisedquicklist.png
[11:13] <[4-tea-2]> Downloading an iso image now, so I can use 12.04 as a rescue disc (before I return to 11.10).
[11:13] <Will123456> i've just realised it wouldn't work at all for white icons
[11:14] <barf> bitplane-: I pressed prt scr, now what?
[11:14] <barf> Is it on my clipboard?
[11:15] <bitplane-> barf, a save dialog should pop up
[11:15] <bitplane-> "Save Screenshot" window
[11:15] <barf> Nah
[11:15] <bitplane-> oh... actually it might not work while there's a menu open. damn!
[11:15] <barf> Nothing like that shows up
[11:15] <bitplane-> yeah it doesn't work while the menu is open, need to use a screenshot program with a delay *sigh*
[11:16] <barf> On the apple computers I would press cmd+CTRL+SHIFT+4 then space, then click on the window/pane
[11:16] <bitplane-> press meta, then type "screenshot"
[11:16] <barf> screencapture?
[11:16] <bitplane-> that app can take a screenshot in 3 seconds time
[11:16] <barf> or is that dead?
[11:17] <bitplane-> not sure what it's called. maybe I installed it from software center and it's not part of a default install
[11:23] <barf> bitplane-: http://bildr.no/image/1155263.jpeg
[11:24] <bitplane-> very strange
[11:25] <barf> It says the unit is not treated under the wireless part
[11:25] <barf> I expected there to be at least 4 hotspots listed
[11:27] <bitplane-> yeah it looks like it's not scanning? I think gnome's network manager is separate from the network system
[11:31] <bitplane-> I bet if you typed "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | more" into a console you'd get a list of access points
[11:31] <bitplane-> but that probably won't help
[11:31] <bitplane-> let's find the correct component to report the bug against
[11:32] <barf> Or uninstall that component and reinstall it?
[11:33] <bitplane-> you could try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager
[11:33] <bitplane-> did you try just disabling and re-enabling wireless?
[11:33] <barf> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | grep ESSID | wc -l tells me 4
[11:34] <bitplane-> yeah so your wifi system is all okay, so I guess it must be gnome's network manager
[11:48] <barf> Still no good
[12:03] <MechanisM> after some upgrades unable to start system settings
[12:04] <bitplane-> what errors do you get if you run gnome-control-center in a terminal?
[12:06] <MechanisM> hold on
[12:07] <MechanisM> bitplane- http://paste.ubuntu.com/926303/
[12:10] <MechanisM> and now each time new linux kernel update I see such things like grub generation filed, and update process stops on P: Updating /boot/extlinux/linux.cfg...
[12:14] <barf> bitplane-: was that one for me?
[12:20] <[4-tea-2]> Okay, my grub problem seems to be related to me and Ubuntu having different opinions on what the boot drive should be. No idea how to fix it without manually doing "grub-install", but it shouldn't affect people with a reasonable number of drives that haven't been juggled around.
[12:23] <[4-tea-2]> Ah, the fix is obviously "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc".
[12:28] <[4-tea-2]> Yay, still no support for my NIC included, but now the proprietary driver won't compile any longer. Well, it seems the Psychotic Pantaloon will run with ye olde 3.0 kernel.
[12:33] <mouth1> hi
[12:38] <[4-tea-2]> Okay, a new version of the proprietary driver was released yesterday. I hereby grant the [4-tea-2] Seal of Approval to Pancreatic Postcapitalist.
[12:39] <glosoli> [4-tea-2]: ? ;D
[12:40] <[4-tea-2]> Oh, sorry, I meant to Predominant Predator.
[12:40] <[4-tea-2]> Or whatever 12.04 is called.
[12:41] <barf> aptd error, reported
[12:45] <glosoli> [4-tea-2]: Precise Pangolin :D
[12:47] <[4-tea-2]> glosoli: yeah, I know, it says so in the topic. It's just that I had a clown for breakfast. ;)
[12:48] <glosoli> :DD
[12:54] <MechanisM> [4-tea-2] recently I had same problem with grub-pc
[13:05] <[4-tea-2]> MechanisM: I used to love grub like you, but then I took an arrow to /dev/sda.
[13:26] <alexstrand7> Ubuntu 12.04 Setup failed on Dell Latitude D531. Stopped on partition manager
[13:26] <alexstrand7> No changes are made
[13:26] <tomodachi> alexstrand7: any error message?
[13:27] <alexstrand7> exiting because of inactivity
[13:27] <alexstrand7> it said that in the terminal
[13:28] <alexstrand7> first i got an internal error, so failed the setup. Wifi driver doesn't install. Now I'm using Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS
[13:29] <alexstrand7> Everything works here
[13:29] <alexstrand7> but I want to update to 12.04 when it comes, so please fix the bugs
[13:30] <alexstrand7> Can I get unity on 10.04?
[13:31] <tomodachi> alexstrand7: i think you need to file a bugreport, just posting stuff here wont really be enough
[13:31] <alexstrand7> how?
[13:32] <tomodachi> also check the console output it should contain an exact error message
[13:32] <alexstrand7> how do I file a bug?
[13:32] <tomodachi> launchpad is the official bug reporting site
[13:32] <alexstrand7> link?
[13:32] <tomodachi> https://launchpad.net
[13:33] <alexstrand7> ok, can I use my Ubuntu one account to login?
[13:33] <tomodachi> i dont know , try it
[13:33] <alexstrand7> ok
[13:36] <alexstrand7> ok, I'm online, what should I do now?
[13:37] <alexstrand7> I'm on the Precise front page on Launchpad, how do I file a bug?
[13:41] <ratcheer> alexstrand7: The first thing you should do is search to see if there is already a bug filed on your problem.
[13:41] <alexstrand7> ok, I'm new to this, how do I do it?
[13:42] <alexstrand7> i have heard of some other people had the same error, but I don't know if they have filed it
[13:42] <ratcheer> alexstrand7: There should be a search box on the front page.
[13:42] <alexstrand7> ok
[13:43] <alexstrand7> the search doesn't find any errors for my computer
[13:44] <alexstrand7> so it can't have been filed
[13:46] <mouth1> why are the default wallpapers disappearing in 12.04?
[13:46] <mouth1> the one with the trains on it
[13:46] <mouth1> not in the options to set as desktop background anymore
[13:49] <GirlyGirl_> mouth1: Probably the same reason Windows Vista and 7 ship with different sample wallpapers
[13:49] <ratcheer> mouth1: A new package was released in the past couple of days. Maybe that one is no longer included.
[13:49] <mouth1> oh
[13:49] <mouth1> so it's because i did updates to the beta of 12.04?
[13:49] <mouth1> 12.04 beta*
[13:50] <ratcheer> Yes, probably.
[13:50] <ratcheer> My system no longer has it, either.
[13:57] <mouth1> thank you ratcheer
[13:59] <ratcheer> mouth1: You're welcome.
[14:07] <Daekdroom> mouth1, the old wallpapers are available in the ubuntu-wallpapers-oneiric package.
[14:08] <Daekdroom> and from 12.10 on, the old wallpapers will not be deleted when updating. The issue is adressed (just not for this version).
[14:14] <mouth1> ok
[14:14] <mouth1> thank you
[14:17] <alexstrand7> ok, but it says I must use the terminal to report a bug, what is the command for reporting problems with the Ubuntu 12.04 setup?
[14:17] <Pici> alexstrand7: ubuntu-bug packagename
[14:17] <alexstrand7> yes, whats the package name of Ubuntu 12.04 setup?
[14:18] <alexstrand7> I'm running 10.04
[14:19] <Pici> alexstrand7: huh?
[14:19] <Pici> Are you having a bug with 10.04 or with 12.04?
[14:19] <alexstrand7> I cant report when I'm installing ubuntu, so I must run a installed Ubuntu version to report it
[14:19] <alexstrand7> I tried to install 12.04, that failed, I have 10.04 installed
[14:20] <Pici> alexstrand7: Are you trying to upgrade from 10.04 or do a fresh install of 12.04?
[14:20] <alexstrand7> install beside 10.04
[14:20] <Pici> So a fresh install?
[14:20] <alexstrand7> I don't know what its called
[14:21] <alexstrand7> I used a usb stick, booted up the bios and tried to install from the usb stick
[14:21] <alexstrand7> maybe its called fresh install, I don't know
[14:21] <Pici> alexstrand7: Do you expect 10.04 to turn into 12.04, with all your packages, settings, and files in-tact, or are you formatting and installing 12.04, or are you dual-booting 10.04 and 12.04?
[14:22] <alexstrand7> I want to dual boot it
[14:22] <alexstrand7> so I can try it out before install over 10.4
[14:23] <alexstrand7> It failed there it should partition my hard drive
[14:23] <alexstrand7> no changes was made
[14:24] <alexstrand7> Should I try again, or should I try it in Vbox before and see if the same problem occur there?
[14:24] <Pici> alexstrand7: But the live environment wa still working after the installer failed?
[14:24] <Pici> *was
[14:24] <alexstrand7> I used the installer, not live mode
[14:24] <alexstrand7> you can choose to try it out or install, i chose install
[14:25] <alexstrand7> I tried both options
[14:25] <alexstrand7> everything other worked
[14:26] <alexstrand7> it just failed without saying anything to me, when I saw the progress bar stopped I checked the terminal and there it said it stopped because of inactivity
[14:26] <alexstrand7> but network and other things still worked as normal
[14:27] <Pici> alexstrand7: Take a look at the 'Submitting Installation Reports' section on the following page: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/installation-guide/i386/boot-troubleshooting.html
[14:27] <alexstrand7> can you find a similar help page, but for USB
[14:27] <alexstrand7> I didn't use Cdrom
[14:28] <alexstrand7> Here it says how to do it with older cd drives
[14:28] <Pici> alexstrand7: Its not specific to CD installs.
[14:28] <alexstrand7> ok
[14:28] <Pici> the information from /var/log/ will also be important to tracking down what really went wrong.
[14:29] <alexstrand7> As I said before: I'm new to ubuntu, I don't know all this commands when I'm installing a new Ubuntu
[14:29] <alexstrand7> I will try again, maybe it will work
[15:14] <JoeBaloney> I'm having a strange issue. I'm using 12.04 with cairo-dock, when  I start I choose a cairo-dock session and I don't have unity running (visibly anyway). The weird issue is that cut/copy/pase don't work on the desktop.  In other words I can't delete a file off the desktop unless I right click and select delete.
[15:15] <JoeBaloney> Just kind of annoying, but I have no idea if I need to investigate cairo-dock, unity, gnome-shell, or what.
[15:16] <JoeBaloney> Am I nuts, or is this awfully quiet for a room with 314 people?
[15:18] <MarKsaitis> hey!
[15:18] <JoeBaloney> Hey. Apparently you and I are the only ones in this room with 316 people.
[15:18] <gnomefreak> no your not :)
[15:19] <MarKsaitis> so if I will keep doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade on 12.04 beta, I will get upgraded to the stable 12.04 when it's released, is that correct?
[15:19] <MarKsaitis> :)
[15:19] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: yes
[15:19] <MarKsaitis> brilliant, thanx a million
[15:19] <JoeBaloney> That's a good question. I have done this beta thing before and wasn't sure after it was released if I should do a reinstall.
[15:20] <gnomefreak> just do your updates
[15:20] <JoeBaloney> Cool, thanks.
[15:20] <bazhang> !final | MarKsaitis
[15:21] <MarKsaitis> bazhang, I have 11.10, but im upgrading to dev version
[15:21] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i cant access my gmail account, has mark decided on the code name for 12.10 (not too many animals start with the litter"Q")
[15:21] <gnomefreak> s/litter/letter
[15:21] <RobertLaptop> I am having an issue with network-manager want to see if there was an easy fix or if I needed to open a bug report?  When I go to create a new VPN.  Select OpenVPN the box displays but there is no OK or Save option.  network-manager-openvpn is installed
[15:22] <JoeBaloney> Queasy Qat?
[15:22] <gnomefreak> RobertLaptop: i would file a bug report on that just in case. are the choices there but greyed out?
[15:22] <MarKsaitis> bazhang, gnomefreak could you please advise, im on 11.10 and did upgrade to dev version. http://pastebin.com/sdTvqKPi
[15:23] <RobertLaptop> gnomefreak, Nope.  No option to save.
[15:23] <JoeBaloney> Any ideas as to why my del, ctrl+c, ctrl+x don't work on the desktop? They work in file manager.
[15:23] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: change the mirror you are using
[15:23] <gnomefreak> RobertLaptop: than i would definitly file a bug on that
[15:23] <MarKsaitis> gnomefreak, so I do "No" and then go to change my mirrors. i use internal stuff
[15:24] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: 1 sec
[15:25] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: yes choose no and re-write your soures.list file. If you need i can give you my sources.list rfile on pastebin (only offical mirrors)
[15:25] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: let me know.
[15:25] <gnomefreak> my DAMN SOUND ISNT WORKING
[15:25] <ezoe> I have a question. Suppose I use 11.10 now and I use a PPA which has a software both 11.10 and 12.04 repository doesn't have. Can I safely upgrade to 12.04 without removing software and PPA?
[15:25] <gnomefreak> opps
[15:25] <MarKsaitis> gnomefreak, thanx im fine. Im lookin on ubuntu wiki for mirrors
[15:26] <gnomefreak> k
[15:26] <gnomefreak> ezoe: it is best if you use update-manager ro upgrade to 12.04 it will/should handle everything for you
[15:26] <gnomefreak> s/ro/to
[15:27] <MarKsaitis> update manage ro?
[15:27] <gnomefreak> bazhang: any clue what the command is to test sound? i cant recall it
[15:27] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: ro == to
[15:27] <gnomefreak> it should be use update-manager to upgrade
[15:28] <bazhang> gnomefreak, let me check, aplay  is involved iirc let me check the man page
[15:28] <gnomefreak> use the command update-manager -d     in terminal and answer the questions
[15:28] <gnomefreak> bazhang: thanks i can find it. i wasnt sure if aply was right or not
[15:28] <ezoe> also, I've read a PPA added to one version of Ubuntu does not work when Ubuntu is upgraded, so I have to readd it.
[15:28] <MarKsaitis> gnomefreak, cant find mirrors page ;]
[15:29] <mysticalone> Hello, I'm having issues with Radeon Mobility on a HP dv6, I get a black screen without radeon.modeset=0, but using the parameter causes a hang. Nomodeset gets me to a screen showing me scripts being run, i.e. "Running /scripts/init-bottom
[15:29] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: hold on ill post the offical ones. you already on 12.04 right?
[15:29] <MarKsaitis> gnomefreak, no im on 11.10
[15:30] <mysticalone> I would like to add that I believe I am in single user mode, and by chance have been able to start X and unity by cli
[15:31] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: oh ok let me see. did you use update-manager -d to upgrade?
[15:31] <ezoe> speaking of which, I wonder Ubuntu still use Nouveau for nVidia GPU.  I have to say Nouveau is very unstable. When I tried to install, it failed to boot. I have to add nomodeset to kernel parameter. This isn't a good for novice user.
[15:31] <MarKsaitis> gnomefreak, I did but I canceled it as it said it didnt find mirrors. You seen my pastebin didntu
[15:32] <jpds> MarKsaitis: Can't find mirrors?
[15:32] <gnomefreak> MarKsaitis: yes im looking at it now bug you didnt use upodate-manger -d if you did you would get messages in dialog boxes
[15:32] <MarKsaitis> jpds, yeah where is mirrors page for ubuntu?
[15:32] <gnomefreak> jpds: he needs 11.10 mirrors
[15:33] <jpds> MarKsaitis: What is the exact mirror message?
[15:33] <MarKsaitis> whats the diff between do release upgrade and update manager
[15:33]  * gnomefreak still looking at aplay page but im not seeing what i9m looking for
[15:33] <jpds> MarKsaitis: The former is for servers, the latter, desktops.
[15:33] <gnomefreak> jpds: http://pastebin.com/sdTvqKPi
[15:33] <MarKsaitis> i am on a server
[15:34] <jpds> gnomefreak: That's a warning, not a error.
[15:34] <gnomefreak> jpds: its hes not mine
[15:34] <jpds> MarKsaitis: You can safely ignore that error, and just do "y".
[15:34] <MarKsaitis> http://pastebin.com/sdTvqKPi jpds gnomefreak
[15:34] <MarKsaitis> u recon
[15:35] <MarKsaitis> how do I default sources.lst?
[15:35] <jpds> MarKsaitis: No, I know.
[15:35] <jpds> It's just complaining because mirror.hetzner.de isn't an official mirror.
[15:35] <MarKsaitis> jpds, because it mabye makes sense as I use internal mirrors and mabye they dont have precise beta in them?
[15:36] <MarKsaitis> jpds, ok then, how do I default sources.list as I want only official mirrors
[15:36] <jpds> MarKsaitis: They probably will.
[15:36] <MarKsaitis> will and do mean different, dont they =)
[15:36] <jpds> MarKsaitis: If your server is on hetzner.de's network, it makes more sense to use theirs.
[15:37] <GirlyGirl> MarKsaitis: Use this one if you want http://paste.kde.org/456266/
[15:38] <jpds> MarKsaitis: As a mirror admins, I know these things. :P
[15:38] <gnomefreak> anyone know a website with sound?
[15:38] <gnomefreak> not flash
[15:38] <MarKsaitis> jpds, but what if precise beta isnt there? and since that it is unoficial, mabye they will not have latest beta updates as opposed to official mirrors?
[15:39] <kharnov> Hi, I'm having an issue. I'm on the Xubuntu 12.04 beta, and sometimes when I try to log in, it just hangs. If I keep restarting, eventually it loads, but it's really annoying.
[15:39] <jpds> gnomefreak: Wikipedia.
[15:39] <jpds> MarKsaitis: Only one way to find out.
[15:39] <gnomefreak> bazhang: you can test sound using the command "ubuntu-bug audio" in alt-F2 :)
[15:40] <jpds> MarKsaitis: The reason it's unofficial, is because it can only be accessed behind their network, so I can't check if precise is there.
[15:41] <gnomefreak> jpds: i dont see anything that will play a sound.
[15:41] <bazhang> gnomefreak, heh nice to know
[15:41] <GirlyGirl> gnomefreak: html5.grooveshark.com
[15:42] <jpds> gnomefreak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasnost - "listen".
[15:42] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: thanks
[15:43] <gnomefreak> jpds: thanks as well
[15:43] <mysticalone> Is there a work-around to getting LightDM working on radeon?
[15:44] <MarKsaitis> jpds, it seems there is precise, I checked for it
[15:44] <MarKsaitis> then why do release upgrade gives warning to say that there isnt some stuff in there
[15:45] <gnomefreak> ok so its either gnome-etrm or its irssi. not i do need to find aplay command. i didnt see it in --help so man page it is
[15:45] <jpds> MarKsaitis: Read line 17.
[15:45] <MarKsaitis> jpds, 17 line in where?
[15:46] <jpds> MarKsaitis: Your pastebin. :)
[15:46] <MarKsaitis> oh ok jpds ;]]]
[15:47] <MarKsaitis> jpds, read line 16 and 17 together lol
[15:47] <gnomefreak> ok this sucks. ill be back need smoke and think. i think i broke aplay :( be back soon
[15:48] <jpds> MarKsaitis: Yep, looks like it just finds an internal mirror and asks you y/N ?
[15:49] <MarKsaitis> While scanning your repository information no mirror entry for the
[15:49] <MarKsaitis> upgrade was found. This can happen if you run an internal mirror or
[15:49] <MarKsaitis> if the mirror information is out of date.
[15:49] <MarKsaitis> jpds, it says it doesnt find?
[15:50] <jpds> MarKsaitis: Doesn't find an official mirror entry for that mirror.
[15:51] <MarKsaitis> ohok
[15:51] <MarKsaitis> im gonna go with it then
[15:52] <gnomefreak> i have a lit smoke outside so ill be fast. why not use the default mirrors? example: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise main restricted  just change precise to your version (11.10?) anyway ill be back soon
[15:55] <jpds> gnomefreak: Please don't put all the load on the main servers, mirrors exist for a reason.
[15:55] <gnomefreak> be careful upgrading. libnux is broken
[15:55] <gnomefreak> jpds: i know :) but i never had good luck with mirrors
[15:55] <gnomefreak> ok smnoke
[16:01] <gnomefreak> if you are using unity/ubuntu-dwesktop do NOT upgrade yet. wait a few days
[16:02] <gnomefreak> libnux-2.0-0 libnux-2.0-common  removes ubuntu-desktop and unity
[16:03] <gnomefreak> jpds: there is a reason default mirrors are default (i guess you could use a contry code but i think they are not much different than not using one
[16:03] <gnomefreak> )
[16:03] <mysticalone> could libnux be affecting my install? I updated yesterday
[16:04] <jpds> gnomefreak: Country codes are the default.
[16:04] <gnomefreak> mysticalone: if you already upgraded and still have ubuntu-desktop you shoulod be fine just dont upgrade those packages
[16:04] <gnomefreak> jpds: ah
[16:05] <gnomefreak> jpds: are you getting this errror
[16:05] <gnomefreak> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net precise Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 41FDF8A2B455BEF0
[16:05] <gnomefreak> sorry warning
[16:05] <gnomefreak> oh wait that a ppa
[16:06] <jpds> :-)
[16:06] <gnomefreak> questiong is what ppa is it :(
[16:07] <jpds> gnomefreak: Doesn't matter.
[16:07] <gnomefreak> i know but i hate getting warning
[16:07] <gnomefreak> as
[16:07] <jpds> gnomefreak: Just do: $ sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 41FDF8A2B455BEF0
[16:08] <gnomefreak> oh aplay -P isnt playing anything. should it be?
[16:09] <gnomefreak> jpds: thanks that grabbed it
[16:09] <martinphone> what is this blueman applet crash report I keep getting?
[16:09] <martinphone> 12.04 64 bits
[16:09] <gnomefreak> martinphone: file a bug on the crash. jusat stating it is crashing offers no help at all
[16:10] <martinphone> gnomefreak, it says that it has already been filled as abug
[16:10]  * gnomefreak not sure waht blueman is. i get a feeling it has something to do with bluetooth
[16:11] <gnomefreak> martinphone: use the command apport to add your info to the bug or just comment that you have same issue. how it happens(what you are doing) or what not
[16:12] <gnomefreak> i cant remember if it is apport-support bug# if not support im not sure off hand
[16:12] <redtornado> has anyone else had "partial upgrade" issues in the last 24hrs? im running  12.04 beta 2 and its asking to remove Unity and core Ubuntu files
[16:12] <gnomefreak> lol there is no man or --help page for apport
[16:13] <gnomefreak> redtornado: yes do not upgrade foir a day or too. its libnux causing that
[16:13] <redtornado> oh ok
[16:13] <redtornado> thanks
[16:13] <gnomefreak> np
[16:13] <gnomefreak> once i figure out how to word it and when i get a minute ill add it to the topic
[16:15] <redtornado> is it possible to stop the update notification for it? or do I just cancel every time?
[16:15] <redtornado> <<beginner
[16:15] <gnomefreak> redtornado: dont upgrade yet
[16:15] <redtornado> :] im not
[16:16] <gnomefreak> aplay isnt playing nice with me
[16:17] <gnomefreak> aplay -P isnt playing anything ,like man page says
[16:18] <gnomefreak> -P needs a file doesnt it?
[16:24] <mysticalone> Would someone like to help me build a kernel with patched broadcom drivers ? LOL
[16:31] <fishcooker> hello fellas
[16:31] <fishcooker> im on PP
[16:31] <fishcooker> i can't add new user on user account
[16:32] <fishcooker> how to fix that
[16:32] <foobArrr> does 12.04 get a gui for lightdm configuration
[16:36] <fishcooker> anyone
[16:37] <trism> fishcooker: System Settings/User Accounts click unlock in the top right corner, then click the + at the bottom left
[16:39] <foobArrr> or is there at least documentation for lightdm.conf?  man lightdm has nothing, there is no documentation in lightdm.conf itself. rather dissatisfying situation.
[16:40] <trism> foobArrr: zless /usr/share/doc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.gz
[16:40] <foobArrr> thx
[16:44] <fishcooker> trism: still no luck
[16:44] <trism> fishcooker: what do you mean by no luck, what happens specifically?
[16:46] <fishcooker> trism after + i cant get anything
[16:47] <trism> fishcooker: a dialog should pop up asking you to 'Create new account'
[16:48] <trism> fishcooker: assuming you were successful after clicking unlock and entering your password
[16:50] <gnomefreak> if you have proposed repo enhabled disable it before you update
[16:51] <gnomefreak> than you should be safe
[16:52] <fishcooker> of course i've entered the password
[16:52] <trism> fishcooker: did it error or anything?
[16:52] <fishcooker> nothing err message
[16:52] <trism> fishcooker: so nothing happens after you click +?
[16:53] <fishcooker> is there any command line
[16:53] <fishcooker> yes u rite
[16:53] <fishcooker> trism
[16:53] <trism> fishcooker: You could try: sudo adduser username; then enter the information it asks
[16:53] <Bender_>  hello, I have downloaded a new version of a software (rawtherapee). It runs only if I have installed the older version from the software center. Is it possible to keep in launcher the new version? I can't do that, it always make start the old version. The new version is in a folder in the home directory. Useing Ubuntu 12.04
[16:53] <Bender_>  ...and unity :)
[16:53] <trism> fishcooker: replacing username with the name you want to use
[16:54] <GirlyGirl> Bender_: Create a shortcut to the new executable and drag and drop on the unity launcher
[16:54] <Bender_> GirlyGirl, let me try...
[16:54] <fishcooker> thankyou trism it work
[16:55] <Bender_> GirlyGirl, doesn't work
[16:55] <gnomefreak> unop
[16:55] <gnomefreak> opps
[16:56] <GirlyGirl> Bender_: Ask some one here how to add the shortcut to the launcher ... I don't know as I use KDE
[16:56] <Bender_> Ok
[16:56] <atpa8a> hmm
[16:57] <Bender_> Hello, anybody can tell me how to add a shortcut to the Unity Launcher in 12.04?
[16:57] <atpa8a> no add-apt-repository in precise?...
[16:57] <gnomefreak> Bender_: drag and drop it
[16:57] <Bender_> gnomefrek, doesn't work
[16:57] <gnomefreak> atpa8a: use update-manager -d to upgrade. first read the topic to the channel
[16:57] <gnomefreak> Bender_: wehat are you trying to do
[16:57] <trism> atpa8a: there is, I just used it a moment ago, make sure you have python-software-properties installed
[16:58] <gnomefreak> oh damn nevermid soee a
[16:58] <gnomefreak> damn
[16:58] <atpa8a> hmm
[16:59] <gnomefreak> Bender_: what are you trying to add to launcher. also you can drag and drop to desktop than drtag and drop to launcher if it is an app not a file
[16:59] <atpa8a> trism: dpkg -S `which add-apt-repository` please
[16:59] <Bender_> I have downloaded the new version of rawtherapee from the website, it is a folder that I have placed in my home. It doesn't start it's own, i have to download and install by Software center the older version in order to make it work. So I would like to add the Unity launcher the icon to start the new version and forget the older one.
[16:59] <trism> atpa8a: it is in python-software-properties
[17:00] <atpa8a> trism: thanks!
[17:00] <Bender_> gnomefreak "keep in launcher" doesn't work too. It starts always the older version.
[17:00] <gnomefreak> new version should be used by default but im not sure what you mean you had to install older version to get nerw version to work. is this a .deb or did you buiild the package
[17:01] <gnomefreak> my typing sucks
[17:01] <Bender_> gnomefreak, it's a compressed folder then I have an executable file with other subfolder.
[17:01] <gnomefreak> you are trying to add the .deb right?
[17:01] <Bender_> gnomefreak, and if i don't install the older version the newer (from folder - double click on executable) doesn't start at all.
[17:02] <Bender_> gnomefreak, no .deb file :( just a folder stand alone
[17:02] <gnomefreak> Bender_: this is sounding a bit l;ike the package
[17:03] <gnomefreak> Bender_: AFAIK you cant add files to launcher it has to be a .deb (in your case)
[17:03] <Bender_> gnomefreak, ok give a look yourself : http://rawtherapee.com/downloads
[17:03]  * gnomefreak not entirely sure in unity. ive been away from pc for a while now
[17:04] <gnomefreak> Bender_: tyhat package is very out dated and is not built for 12.04
[17:04] <gnomefreak> s/tyhat/that
[17:05] <mysticalone> what does libnux remove?
[17:06] <mysticalone> desktop and what else
[17:06] <gnomefreak> mysticalone: read the topic but it removes ubuntu-desktop and unity
[17:06] <gnomefreak> just disable proposed repo and you will be fine\
[17:06] <gnomefreak> ok im out. start dinner nad more work
[17:07] <Bender_> gnomefreak I understand
[17:07] <atpa8a> hmm
[17:08] <atpa8a> trying to install a ppa that's higher version then ubuntu... but it's not doing anything
[17:08] <atpa8a> how can i diagnose?
[17:08] <jtaylor> apt-cache policy package
[17:09] <jtaylor> should list all available versions and their pinning
[17:09] <atpa8a> hmm
[17:09] <atpa8a> doesn't have the one with the higher version...
[17:10] <atpa8a> what can be wrong?..
[17:11] <atpa8a> oh... 0 successful builds :) that'll explain
[17:32] <Will123456> hey guys. can anyone else pick up the dash button and drag it about using your mouse?
[17:33] <jlb181> Yes
[17:34] <Will123456> odd eh :P
[17:34] <Will123456> the other 'static' buttons don't let you grab 'em
[17:34] <jlb181> Can just drag it around thats all.  It flys back home when you let it go.
[17:35] <Will123456> right. but you can't with the workspace switcher
[17:35] <Will123456> or the rubbish bin
[17:36] <jlb181> You're right, I can't.   Hmmm.....
[17:56] <spaceneedle> I notice that unity-2d-shell  uses 6.2% of memory while uses 5.3% according to the Top utility.
[17:57] <spaceneedle> Sorry left out: untiy 3d uses 5.3% of memory.
[18:05] <FreeRun> hi
[18:05] <FreeRun> when i'm instal ubuntu 12.04 server i have error with archive mirror
[18:05] <FreeRun> amd64
[18:05] <FreeRun> did you have working add?
[18:07] <FreeRun> i have "bad archive mirror"
[18:10] <Zoffix_> Hey, can someone paste their uname -a, please? I want to know what kernel ubuntu 12.04beta uses by default
[18:10] <FreeRun>  3.2.0-23-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 10 20:39:51 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:11] <FreeRun> but ths is updated,
[18:11] <FreeRun> default i think is 21
[18:11] <FreeRun> or 20
[18:11] <Zoffix_> Thanks!
[18:11] <FreeRun> np
[18:14] <jtrucks> 21 is defualt it seems..
[18:14] <jtrucks> oh he/she left
[18:22] <ttl-> greetings
[18:22] <ttl-> 12.04 is great
[18:22]  * jtrucks concurs
[18:23] <ttl-> the only thing i'm still missing on my laptop is the ability to turn off the touchpad
[18:23] <ttl-> those special keys worked in 10.04 but not in 12.04
[18:24] <spacebug-> ttl-: it's not found under system settings -> mouse/touchpad?
[18:26] <ttl-> maybe gotta check, but in  10.04 i could use the FN-key combination to rut
[18:26] <ttl-> to turn off the touchpad
[18:28] <spacebug-> ttl-: it might still be doable in 12.04
[18:32] <spacebug-> ttl-: just read in a forum someone disabled it with command: synclient touchpadoff=1
[18:33] <ttl-> spacebug: Thanks!
[18:33] <spacebug-> ttl-: also this one http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/touchpad-indicator-now-automatically.html  in indicator which can be setup using short cuts keys
[18:35] <ttl-> spacebug-: Thanks a lot
[18:42] <georgelappies> hi all, is anybody else getting the bug with the proprietary ATI drivers when screen switches off, compiz maxes the cpu out? Laptop gets really hot and battery doesn't last
[18:55] <GirlyGirl> Hi my laptop specs are: Intel Atom 1.6 Ghz, 2GB cl=4 RAM, Intel GMA 950 graphics. Would unity in 12.04 work on this? In 11.10 all the gnome  3 stuff like shell and unity were a bit slow. Which is strange as KDE is extremely fast with all desktop effects on this pc. Is 12.04 faster than 11.10?
[19:00] <delac> planning to install gnome-shell. What are the most important extras I get if I install "gnome" package instead of only "gnome-shell"?
[19:05] <jogdish> hi GirlyGirl is it a netbook?
[19:05] <FunnyLookinHat> heh - something crashed to make me lose my window decorations - but Unity is stil running...  any easy way to get them back with an ALT-F2 command?
[19:06] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: yes
[19:06] <GirlyGirl> FunnyLookinHat: unity --reset
[19:06] <FunnyLookinHat> GirlyGirl, Awesome thanks
[19:07] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: ya Xubuntu,Kubunt have all been fine on my Asus EEe pc 901, but Ubuntu was always kinda slow, but cant be sure about unity
[19:07] <FunnyLookinHat> oh gross - that also reset all my prefs  :D
[19:07] <FunnyLookinHat> oh well goo dto go
[19:07] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: it might complain and offer you 2d unity instead
[19:08] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: This netbook should theoretically work with Unity 3d
[19:08] <jogdish> GirlyGirl:  i agree, guess only way to find out is to test it - sorry dont know much more
[19:08] <GirlyGirl> FunnyLookinHat: Sorry should have been compiz --replace
[19:09] <FunnyLookinHat> ah no worries
[19:09] <FunnyLookinHat> now I know :D
[19:10] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: I think it was a strange quirk in 11.10 as even if I launch a gtk3 app like software center under kde it would be slow
[19:11] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: have you tried a live usb, just as a quick test maybe with beta2?
[19:14] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: I don't quite get it as on KDE effects are maxed out http://imagebin.org/207730 . and its still fast
[19:14] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: thats your NETBOOK?
[19:15] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: yes
[19:15] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: you are awesome! and so is KDE
[19:15] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: been my experience that KDE / Kwin is way way better at handling the effects, Gnome/unity were always more power/resource hungry
[19:36] <varikonniemi> jogdish, compiz has improved somewhat in 12.04 so the ui lag is gone
[19:37] <varikonniemi> and according to phoronix benchamrking, kwin is the slowest desktop
[19:37] <Daekdroom> Slowest for gaming.
[19:37] <varikonniemi> i mean latest kde
[19:37] <Daekdroom> It tells nothing about smoothness of the UI.
[19:37] <varikonniemi> i admit unity was laggy
[19:38] <varikonniemi> but it is fixed now in 12.04
[19:38] <Daekdroom> Indeed it was.
[19:38] <varikonniemi> i switched to gnome-shell in 11.10
[19:38] <varikonniemi> because of the ui lag
[19:38] <varikonniemi> but now there is no noticeable difference
[19:40] <jogdish> cool thx for the correction varikonniemi
[19:41] <varikonniemi> a great end for an era will this LTS be, next one is surely to come with wayland and no compiz/unity
[19:41] <jogdish> whats wayland?
[19:42] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: x server replacement
[19:42] <tim`> has anyone had trouble with virt-manager in 12.04 ? I cant seem to conncet to libvirtd but i see that it is running
[19:42] <varikonniemi> x is way way outdated
[19:42] <egolost> hmm.. I had troubble with the nvidia driver 295.33, they fail to load at boot somtimes but if I go to a terminal after reacing low resolution mode and restart lightdm X starts just fine.
[19:42] <varikonniemi> the only part of the linux stack i feel is lacking
[19:42] <jogdish> woah that will be a huge change
[19:42] <Daekdroom> varikonniemi, no compiz/unity?
[19:42] <Daekdroom> How can you tell that?
[19:43] <varikonniemi> because sompiz is not used anymore in wayland
[19:43] <varikonniemi> and unity is built around compiz
[19:43] <Daekdroom> It's not used yet.
[19:43] <varikonniemi> what
[19:43] <Daekdroom> No window manager has been fully made compatible with Wayland yet.
[19:43] <Daekdroom> Weston is a demo.
[19:43] <varikonniemi> as i said, we are talking about next LTS time
[19:44] <Daekdroom> They can work on making compiz work with Wayland.
[19:44] <varikonniemi> i underastood wayland repalces this
[19:44] <Daekdroom> The same way GNOME Shell will have to do it with Mutter, and KDE will have to do it with Kwin.
[19:44] <egolost> I think this LTS will be great, I hated the way out of the box desktop in 11.10 worked with alt+tab between the diffrent desktops.
[19:45] <Daekdroom> and if Wayland made it impossible to use Unity, of course they wouldn't make the transition to it.
[19:45] <FernandoMiguel> anyone knows of a away to determine the fw version of a 3G/LTE dongle ?
[19:45] <Daekdroom> Last but not least, Unity-2D is not dependent on any window manager :P
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> and a way to know at which speed it is connected?
[19:46] <varikonniemi> i am sure there will be unity for wayland
[19:47] <varikonniemi> but it wont be running on compiz
[19:47] <lazymanc> hi - i've just upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 and I've got some broken packages, when I run apt-get upgrade I get messages about unmet dependencies, but the versions I have seem to be newer than the ones required: http://paste.ubuntu.com/926940/
[19:49] <lazymanc> I just ran update manager -d so I'm not sure what's happened
[19:50] <lazymanc> is there a way to fix this, or do I need to wait for the packages to catch up in the repos?
[19:51] <EvilResistance> lazymanc, that's probably the packages themselves, notice they have an (= 2.99.92-0ubuntu1) which means "that exact version"
[19:51] <EvilResistance> i think those packages just need revising in Precise, if/when they get updated those dependency problems will disappear
[19:52] <MarKsaitis> how do I default my sources.list ?
[19:52] <MarKsaitis> I have some crappy mirrors I believe
[19:52] <lazymanc> ok, so it's just a case of certain packages being out of sync with one another in the repos?
[19:52] <EvilResistance> lazymanc, sounds like it, could be worse though
[19:52]  * EvilResistance isnt guaranteeing that what he's said is the actual cause of the problemn
[19:55] <lazymanc> most things seem to be working, I'll just keep trying over the next couple of days and hope it goes away then
[19:56] <lazymanc> "Warning please disable precise-proposed repos before upgrading to 12.04!" << just spotted that in the topic, which I didn't do because this is the first time I've seen it - maybe that has something to do with it?
[19:56] <micahg> -proposed is being used for staging updates that have skew across architectures which can cause uninstallability
[20:01] <MarKsaitis> where do I find a normal sources.list file for 12.04 server? I want to reset mine to default pls help
[20:02] <jogdish> GirlyGirl:  just after trying ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 live from a usb stick, on my eee pc 901 ( intel atom, 1gb ram ) boots fine, unity looks nice a little slow - but its telling me "Ubuntu 12.04 has experienced an internal error"
[20:02] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: Which intel atom and gma card?
[20:03] <jogdish> GirlyGirl:     Intel Atom N270 (45 nm Diamondville, Socket 437 FCBG8A) 1.6Ghz
[20:03] <MarKsaitis> ?
[20:03] <MarKsaitis> help
[20:03] <jogdish> so im guessing yours is far better
[20:03] <MarKsaitis> :)
[20:04] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: no only slightly n280
[20:04] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: But my Ram is 2GB and cl=4
[20:05] <jogdish> GirlyGirl:  still the unity bar and switching all run nice for me, and this is all from live usb,
[20:05] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: Does it feel better than 11.10?
[20:05] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: I never used Ubuntu 11.10
[20:06] <jogdish> how do i activate the HUD?
[20:06] <GirlyGirl> MarKsaitis: http://paste.kde.org/456368/
[20:07] <MarKsaitis> GirlyGirl, thanx ;]
[20:07] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: alt
[20:08] <GirlyGirl> I think
[20:08] <jogdish> GirlyGirl:  thx, wow thats nice!
[20:08] <MarKsaitis> why would I also want deb-src near deb in sources.list?
[20:08] <GirlyGirl> MarKsaitis: its default
[20:09] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: I love my KDE, by since this no longer supported by canonical thing, migh go back to ubuntu
[20:09] <GirlyGirl> MarKsaitis: allows you to get sources using apt if you want
[20:14] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: if you can, you should try the beta out for yourself, im very impressed! run it from usb stick with http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[20:15] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: I have Kubuntu precise ... I might install ubuntu-desktop later
[20:15] <GirlyGirl> jogdish: I'm too used to kde to shift ... been using it since 2004
[20:15] <jogdish> GirlyGirl:  how is Precise working for you? I am holding off till the release date
[20:16] <GirlyGirl> So far fine
[20:16] <jogdish> GirlyGirl: I really like my oneric
[20:16] <jogdish> KDE
[20:17] <danielc> Hi, anyone here is having problems with Skype on 64bits machines on Precise?
[20:17] <danielc> Sometimes my skype freezes, but I can't tell it is frozen until I try to quit it.
[20:17] <GirlyGirl> danielc: 32 bit working for me
[20:17] <GirlyGirl> danielc: but it freezes rarely yes
[20:18] <danielc> Since I started to use the 64bit version of Ubuntu, I'm getting it almost every time.
[20:19] <GirlyGirl> for me its really rare
[20:19] <danielc> The bizarre thing is that it seems to keep working, but does not send or receive any messages/calls and really freezes only when I try to quit. Then I must kill -9 it.
[20:19] <danielc> GirlyGirl: Yeah, i had the same behaviour before upgrading to Precise...
[20:21] <danielc> Sad.. Skype is a important tool for me and I'm almost regrating my upgrade to Precise. And this problem is happening in more than one machine.
[20:21] <danielc> I think it is strange that I cannot find other bug reports or comments on this problem elsewhere.
[20:29] <aboSamoor> how can I login as a differnet user than the ones specified in the lightdm list?
[20:31] <Nutily> hello, how to check if I have corectly installed 64bit java..?
[20:33] <trism> aboSamoor: in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf add greeter-show-manual-login=true
[20:35] <Nutily> trism, can you help me install java?
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: so devel has an extra devel repo I didn't know about? #inception
[20:37] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: just became available a week or so ago
[20:37] <Daekdroom> precise-proposed is available already?
[20:37] <trism> Nutily: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#OpenJDK
[20:38] <FernandoMiguel> danielc: it dies a lot . and yes, it freezes on several of the starts
[20:38] <micahg> bug 930217
[20:38] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: anything there that needs testing?
[20:38] <FernandoMiguel> I have a bunch of laptops to install next week
[20:39] <FernandoMiguel> I can put my users to the test *evil laugh*
[20:39] <Nutily> trism: i was there and i installed java 64 bin from java.com
[20:39] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: no, it's mainly used to prevent arch skew for most users of the pre-release
[20:39] <Nutily> trism: and i think that it not working right, how to chec if it works?
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> k
[20:40] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: packages are copied over once their dependency chains are built
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: do you know anyone that masters NM? I haven't  seen asac around
[20:40] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: he hasn't handled that for about 2 years, talk to cyphermox
[20:41] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: I know he hasn't ... but I didn't know who to talk to. thanks
[20:41] <FernandoMiguel> cyphermox: ping
[20:42] <trism> Nutily: I haven't used the java from there for a long time, so I don't really know, the link I have points to the openjdk section which is in the repos
[20:43] <Nutily> trism, will OpenJDK be as good as Sun Java..?
[20:44] <trism> Nutily: I hardly ever use java, so I don't really have an opinion, but it has worked fine for me in the few situations I use it
[20:44] <Nutily> i dont have sound for xchat when my name writen.. wierd..
[20:46] <danielc> FernandoMiguel: are you aware of any workarounds for Skype freezing?
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> yes
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> openninig it again
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> :!
[20:48] <danielc> ha ha ha!
[20:48] <danielc> The worst is that sometimes it takes me several minutes before even noticing that Skype is not working.
[20:48] <danielc> Usually someone send me an e-mail or gtalk message to ask me why I'm not replying.
[20:48] <danielc> :P
[20:49] <Nutily> can somone help me with java 64bit..?
[20:49] <Arnold> Nutily, I was able to install Oracle JRE 7 quite easily with a tutorial on Precise Pangolin.
[20:49] <Arnold> Nutily, check this first: http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[20:50] <FernandoMiguel> danielc: just kill -9 it
[20:50] <FernandoMiguel> and launch again
[20:50] <Nutily> Arnold, that show that plugin is missing..
[20:50] <Arnold> Nutily, you could follow this unofficial guide for a workaround: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-oracle-java-runtime-jre-7-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[20:50] <Arnold> Just tested it myself and it works just fine.
[20:51] <Nutily> Arnold, that will be 64 bit?
[20:51] <Nutily> Arnold, and will it work also for my chromium browser?
[20:51] <Arnold> Nutily, I only tested it on my 32-bit system. And I'll see if it works on Chromium too.
[20:52] <danielc> FernandoMiguel: kill -9 is a very appropriate solution for a product that nows belongs to Microsoft. It is the 'restart' solution, Unix way. :)
[20:52] <Nutily> Arnold, i think that i need install 2 versions of java one is 64 bit for 64bit java apps and one 32bit for chromium browser
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> danielc: LOL
[20:54] <Arnold> Nutily, yes, it works with Chromium Browser too, without any other modification than based on the tutorial.
[21:01] <Nutily> arnold, is there any wha to test if i have any version installed..?
[21:02] <LoRez> Pici: I figured out the cause of my issues with the InRelease file, although I think that was just a symptom as well
[21:03] <cyphermox> FernandoMiguel: pong.
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> hey hey cyphermox
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> please check #nm
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> less lines than here :)
[21:03] <cyphermox> yes
[21:09] <jeremiah_> why does the wifi in ubuntu not work for me any more? one time i booted, it looked as if wifi didn't exist.
[21:13] <BarkingFish> jeremiah_, were you using an inbuilt module for your wifi, or using ndiswrapper?
[21:13] <jeremiah_> BarkingFish, ??? i do not uderstand
[21:13] <BarkingFish> jeremiah_, you were using wifi, correct?
[21:14] <FernandoMiguel> what to use in d-feet for a bus?
[21:14] <BarkingFish> There are two ways for wifi to work - either from a module in ubuntu's kernel, or by using the windows driver with a program called ndiswrapper.  Do you know which one you used?
[21:14] <jeremiah_> BarkingFish, yes.
[21:15] <BarkingFish> jeremiah_, read the next part too :) It will help me to work out what could be wrong
[21:15] <jeremiah_> i was useing ubuntus module
[21:15] <BarkingFish> ok
[21:16] <BarkingFish> can you tell me which kernel you are using, please, jeremiah_?
[21:17] <jeremiah_> BarkingFish, what do you mean??? when i installed ubuntu, i had wifi. now i don't.
[21:17] <BarkingFish> :)
[21:18] <BarkingFish> ok. Can you open a terminal up for me please, jeremiah_ - and type this:  uname -r
[21:18] <BarkingFish> that will tell you the name of the kernel you are running.
[21:18] <jeremiah_> 3.2.0-20-generic
[21:19] <BarkingFish> right - that kernel has been updated since you got it.  could you try to update your system first, please, and then see if you still have that problem?
[21:20] <BarkingFish> evening JontheEchidna :)
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> hello
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> just got back from my Digital class at school
[21:21] <BarkingFish> i wish I was still at school :P  it'd be more fun than work, Jon :)
[21:21] <JontheEchidna> we made a singleshot timer with a 555 timer and some capacitors
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> then hooked that up to an astable multivibrator
[21:22] <jeremiah_> BarkingFish, 3.2.0-20-generic
[21:22] <BarkingFish> nice. The good old NE555.
[21:22] <BarkingFish> jeremiah_, ok, see my next message :)
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> yeppers
[21:23] <BarkingFish> The kernel you're using has changed, jeremiah_ - you should put an update through first, and then see if you still have that problem
[21:23] <jeremiah_> errg. i forgots the commands for it....
[21:23] <BarkingFish> in the terminal, type:  sudo apt-get update
[21:24] <jeremiah_> thanks.
[21:24] <BarkingFish> no problem
[21:24] <jeremiah_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:24] <jeremiah_> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[21:24] <jeremiah_> BarkingFish, i got that command....
[21:24] <BarkingFish> ok, have you got any update programs open in ubuntu at the moment, jeremiah_?
[21:24] <Daekdroom> jeremiah_, that is because there's something else trying to update packages.
[21:25] <Daekdroom> or update package info.
[21:25] <jeremiah_> Daekdroom, but i have nothing open or running...
[21:25] <jeremiah_> Daekdroom, how is that done?
[21:25] <Daekdroom> You might have Ubuntu set to check for updates by itself.
[21:26] <jeremiah_> but my kernel is not correct.
[21:26] <jeremiah_> and BarkingFish said i need to update
[21:27] <BarkingFish> What I said was, you're using an old kernel, and having a problem with something. There is a newer kernel out which might fix it, so you should update first, and then tell us if you still have the problem :)
[21:27] <jeremiah_> BarkingFish, but i can't!
[21:28] <tanath> has the samba root exploit been patched in repos yet?
[21:28] <BarkingFish> i know. I might be better to leave this to Daekdroom or someone who knows ubuntu better, I use Kubuntu, but what we do generally works for Ubuntu as well
[21:28] <Daekdroom> Yeah. When it comes to doing package upgrades, Kubuntu and Ubuntu aren't much different.
[21:28] <BarkingFish> I just don't know the programs Ubuntu uses for package checking and stuff
[21:29] <Daekdroom> update-manager, mostly.
[21:29] <BarkingFish> Is it possible to kill that from the command line, Daekdroom?
[21:29] <jeremiah_> i guess i could update via synaptic....
[21:30] <BarkingFish> jeremiah_, while something else is updating, your usual stuff probably won't work
[21:30] <BarkingFish> we need to find what's updating you first :)
[21:30] <jeremiah_> BarkingFish, so?
[21:30] <jeremiah_> oh.
[21:30] <BarkingFish> in your terminal, could you type: psaux | grep update-manager
[21:31] <BarkingFish> sorry, ps -aux
[21:31] <jeremiah_> command not found.
[21:31] <BarkingFish> followed by the rest of that line - so  ps -aux | grep update-manager
[21:31] <jeremiah_> psaux: command not found
[21:32] <jeremiah_> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
[21:32] <jeremiah_> jeremiah  3052  0.0  0.0  13576   932 pts/1    S+   16:32   0:00 grep --color=auto update-manager
[21:32]  * BarkingFish scratches his head
[21:32] <BarkingFish> just knock out the - then
[21:33] <jeremiah_> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
[21:33] <jeremiah_> jeremiah  3074  0.0  0.0  13576   928 pts/1    S+   16:33   0:00 grep --color=auto update-manage
[21:33] <jeremiah_> hang on.
[21:34] <jeremiah_> didn't work either way...
[21:34] <BarkingFish> right, so update-manager isn't running, which means something else is trying to update your system, or you possibly have a stale lock file
[21:35] <BarkingFish> at this point, i am not prepared to risk asking you to delete the lock file, in case it's not stale and I screw things up, I'll leave you in someone else's capable hands :)
[21:36] <jeremiah_> but i neeeeeeeeeeeeed wifi!!!
[21:36] <BarkingFish> Daekdroom, think you might be able to take this one over please?
[21:37] <Daekdroom> jeremiah_, does 'ps aux | grep apt' return anything?
[21:37] <jeremiah_> ya
[21:41] <jeremiah_> Daekdroom, http://pastebin.com/fvacfcxu
[21:42] <Daekdroom> Is Synaptic currently doing anything?
[21:43] <jeremiah_> ya...
[21:43] <Daekdroom> What?
[21:43] <jeremiah_> ya....
[21:43] <Daekdroom> What is it doing?
[21:43] <Daekdroom> Updating repository information? Updating packages?
[21:43] <jeremiah_> noting now.
[21:43] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[21:43] <jeremiah_> but ya. that is what it was
[21:44] <Daekdroom> Then close it and run ' sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock '
[21:44] <jeremiah_> ok...
[21:46] <jeremiah_> Daekdroom, ok...
[21:46] <Daekdroom> then open synaptic again, click 'Reload' and see if it's working now.
[21:47] <DonaldShimoda> ji
[21:47] <jeremiah_> synaptic was always working...
[21:47] <DonaldShimoda> anybody experiencing sound problems with youtube ?
[21:47] <jeremiah_> Daekdroom, synaptic was always working...
[21:47] <Daekdroom> Was it?
[21:48] <jeremiah_> ya...
[21:48] <jeremiah_> Daekdroom, ya...
[21:48] <Daekdroom> Then this was unnecessary.
[21:49] <Daekdroom> Mostly likely whatever was locking apt got done since you saw the error message.
[21:49] <DonaldShimoda> anybody experiencing sound problems with youtube?
[21:49] <jeremiah_> but i want wifi....
[21:49] <DonaldShimoda> started after a update today
[21:50] <Daekdroom> jeremiah_, then do system upgrades and try it.
[21:50] <jeremiah_> ok...
[21:52] <jeremiah_> Daekdroom, ok. this might take a little wiles.... so speek to you when it is fin.
[22:00] <lo0m> hi, how do I reenable hibernate option in unity 12.04 ?
[22:09] <etfb> Very odd update behaviour.  Why does dist-upgrade want to remove Unity and the Ubuntu Desktop today?
[22:10] <Daekdroom> etfb, dependency breakage.
[22:10] <Daekdroom> Don't do a dist-upgrade.
[22:10] <Daekdroom> (for now)
[22:10] <trism> lo0m: http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-modify-policykit-to-allow-hibernation-in-upower
[22:14] <lo0m> trism: thanks
[22:34] <xerxes> Hello im having some issues with my ubuntu 12.04
[22:34] <xerxes> im using gnome 3 atm
[22:34] <xerxes> but the thing is.. i want to be able to use the zoom tool
[22:34] <xerxes> like previous ubuntu versions could use Enhanced desktop zoom with compiz
[22:34] <xerxes> i followed this tutorial here
[22:34] <xerxes> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/compiz-like-mousewheel-zoom-tool-for.html
[22:49] <etfb> Daekdroom: how long do breakages like that last?  Not worried - I understand this is the price we pay for stability.  Just curious.
[22:50] <Daekdroom> etfb, for me, usually waiting until the next morning works.
[22:50] <Daekdroom> Because all is necessary is a package rebuild.
[22:50] <etfb> Daekdroom: Cool.
[22:58] <martinphone> what can you tell me about future versions of ubuntu and ia32-libs-multiarch? I cannot install google earth 64 bits on a 64 bit laptop because that unresolvable dependency appears
[22:58] <micahg> martinphone: it's uninstallable at the moment due to archive arch skew, give it a bit and try again
[22:59] <martinphone> micahg, 12.10?
[22:59] <micahg> multiarch is the way forward
[23:00] <Daekdroom> 'give it a bit and try again' = try tomorrow
[23:00] <Daekdroom> or a few hours
[23:00] <micahg> ah, yes, sorry :)
[23:00] <martinphone> a new expression to be added to my list of english expressions
[23:06] <MountainX>  Kubuntu 12.04 is not shutting down properly for me. It hangs at the blue screen with Kubuntu logo. Anyone else see this?
[23:06] <FernandoMiguel> MountainX: me
[23:07] <FernandoMiguel> one out of 8 times it won't reboot/shutdown
[23:07] <martinphone> MountainX, I cannot see plymouth welcoming screen, i see it when logging out...
[23:07] <martinphone> I have only turned it down 4 times...
[23:07] <martinphone> beta2?
[23:08] <MountainX> is there a bug report we can jump in on?
[23:08] <MountainX> yes, beta2
[23:08] <meisth0th> hello
[23:08] <martinphone> o sorry, KUbuntu...
[23:08] <martinphone> im using XUbuntu
[23:08] <meisth0th> i asked in #ubuntu and they redirected me to here, is it better for an end user to install 12.04 final beta now?
[23:10] <nik90> meisth0th, it is ok to upgrade now, but considering you waited so long...why no wait for another few days...
[23:10] <MountainX> meisth0th: 12.04 beta2 is generally OK for me. It has a few bugs, but in my experience, the final release always has bugs too. They are often the same bugs that never get fixed from the beta or RC. :(
[23:10] <nik90> you will get the official stable release
[23:10] <meisth0th> nik90, now i have another distro installed, i am switching to ubuntu tonight :)
[23:11] <MountainX> anyone know of a bug report on the shutdown problem?
[23:11] <meisth0th> what is the release date of 12.04?
[23:12] <MountainX> this sounds similar to my problem (not exactly the same): http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57977-12-04-Beta1-Wireless-and-unmounting-network-shares-at-shutdown
[23:13] <MountainX> how do you file a bug report on something that happens at shutdown? No way to get any debugging info afaik.
[23:16] <BarkingFish> Any chance of a little help please?  I've just run some upgrades which have changed my kernel to a -23 series, but even though I have ndiswrapper-dkms on here, the dkms is not updating when the rest of the updates go through. As a result, when I get into the new kernel on first reboot, I have no internet.
[23:16] <BarkingFish> Any ideas?
[23:18] <MountainX> meisth0th: release is expected 2012-04-26 I think
[23:18] <yofel> BarkingFish: does 'dkms status' list ndiswrapper?
[23:19] <BarkingFish> it will do at the moment, yes, cause I had to drop back to the 22 series kernel I had on before the update in order to get on the net
[23:19] <BarkingFish> actually, no it doesn't
[23:19] <BarkingFish> :/
[23:19] <yofel> doesn't matter, it should show it for all present kernels it's built for
[23:19] <yofel> o.O
[23:19] <BarkingFish> i'll pastebin what it's showinh
[23:19] <BarkingFish> *showing
[23:20] <BarkingFish> hold on a mo, gotta apt-get pastebinit :)
[23:22] <BarkingFish> yofel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/927206/
[23:24]  * yofel wouldn't be surprised about dkms failing over that ^^
[23:26] <BarkingFish> this wouldn't have happened if ndiswrapper had been kept "in-kernel"
[23:26] <yofel> BarkingFish: can you pastebin your /usr/src/<ndiswrapper folder name>/dkms.conf ?
[23:26] <BarkingFish> It's the same with call centers, yofel - the service always drops when you don't keep it in house :P
[23:26] <BarkingFish> sure
[23:26] <yofel> lol
[23:27] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/927208/
[23:30] <alex_mayorga> dist-upgrade is trying to remove ubuntu-desktop again?
[23:31] <Daekdroom> alex_mayorga, then don't do dist-upgrade.
[23:31] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: I know better by now, just wondering if it is known
[23:32] <Daekdroom> It's been mentioned in here, but I'm not sure whether a developer knows about it.
[23:32] <yofel> BarkingFish: ah, ndiswrapper 1.57-1ubuntu1 has a fixed file, but seems stuck in the archive queue
[23:33] <Daekdroom> Wow. There are a lot of bug reports regarding that.
[23:37] <yofel> BarkingFish: or you can pick the debs from the build for your architecture on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ndiswrapper/1.57-1ubuntu1
[23:37] <bcuraboy> hi.does anyone know if the package gir1.2-dee-0.5 will land in precise?
[23:37] <BarkingFish> excellent, I'll drag that down instead, and see if I can get that to work on the 23 kernel
[23:38] <yofel> bcuraboy: it was removed from precise, -1.0 replaces it
[23:39] <bcuraboy> and how can i add that package to my system?
[23:39] <yofel> which one?
[23:39] <bcuraboy> or where can i find it?
[23:39] <bcuraboy> the -1.0
[23:39] <yofel> !info gir1.2-dee-1.0
[23:39] <yofel>  
[23:39] <yofel> in the archive
[23:40] <bcuraboy> so it will be available in the original repos of the system?
[23:40] <yofel> yes
[23:40] <bcuraboy> let me check that
[23:40] <yofel> (already is)
[23:40] <BarkingFish> yofel, back in a bit, have to go up to the 23 kernel and install the packages I just pulled down. See you in a bit
[23:40] <bcuraboy> installed on the system by default?
[23:40] <yofel> good luck
[23:40] <yofel> that I don't know
[23:42] <bcuraboy> it seems already is installed by default
[23:42] <bcuraboy> so let me make the correct question: there's an ppa that it allows me to play unity videos on vlc...
[23:43] <bcuraboy> but i have to add the ppa and when i'm trying to install the supposed scope,it tells me that it has no longer support
[23:44] <bcuraboy> it says that it depends on gir 1.2-dee 0.5 but that is not instalable
[23:44] <Daekdroom> bcuraboy, wait for the PPA to be updated.
[23:44] <bcuraboy> is that the correct word? :/
[23:45] <Daekdroom> The package in the PPA must be built against gir1.2-dee-1.0
[23:45] <Daekdroom> *rebuilt
[23:46] <bcuraboy> hmm so i will have to wait,is that?
[23:46] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[23:46] <Daekdroom> It's one of the cons of providing a PPA for a Ubuntu version in development. They break all the time.
[23:47] <yofel> you might want to send the ppa owner a mail - he might not have noticed it being broken
[23:47] <bcuraboy> but,by the way,how can i watch youtube search videos on vlc?
[23:47] <bcuraboy> when i search them on unity lens how to play them on vlc??
[23:48] <Daekdroom> I think setting VLC as your default video player is enough.
[23:48] <Daekdroom> Under System Settings > System > Details > Default applications (or something like that)
[23:49] <Daekdroom> Unless you mean YouTube videos.
[23:49] <bcuraboy> i've made my comment on the page of the author of the ppa
[23:50] <bcuraboy> let me check that solution
[23:50] <bcuraboy> yes,i mean youtube videos
[23:51] <Daekdroom> Then that won't work :(
[23:52] <bcuraboy> hmmm,now i see why some people tell us to wait for the final version of the SO
[23:52] <bcuraboy> OS
[23:53] <bcuraboy> anyway,was nice to get some support from you guys
[23:53] <bcuraboy>  :D
[23:57] <twistolime> i'm about to install latest lubuntu precise daily, but read on the forums there is an issue with full disk install. anyone know about this?
[23:57] <twistolime> what to do if this happens?
[23:58] <dasen> I installed ubuntu precise, not lubuntu, sorry can't help you there
[23:59] <twistolime> ya, i'm just wondering if the installer totally crashes, or allows manual setup