[00:01] robert_ancell: hi! did you have a question for me? [00:01] robert_ancell: thanks for fixing seahorse, btw! [00:02] mdeslaur, I just wanted to check which server your key was on, but then I realized the server filter was broken anyway :) [00:02] robert_ancell: ah! hehe [00:02] mdeslaur, I didn't backport it to oneiric - did you want to do that? [00:02] robert_ancell: meh, if someone asks for it, I will [00:03] robert_ancell: you really made my day, I had lost hope that that would be fixed for precise :) [00:04] mdeslaur, np. I think there's still some weird problems there - if I search for robert.ancell@ubuntu.com it does find a key but doesn't show it (but it does find it with my gmail address). But I figure it's better now that it was [00:05] robert_ancell: yes, definitely better :) [01:04] Darxus: We would not enable the wayland backend in an SRU, sorry. [01:05] Okay, thanks. [01:22] chrisccoulson, ping [01:28] ah, I hate paypal/credit cards so much. Why is it so hard to pay with an Australian card and send to a UK address? [01:30] robert_ancell, you international cyber criminal you [01:30] bryceh, I sure am [01:30] Yeah. Clearly up to no good! [01:34] (and why does my bank account still have to be frozen because some person in romania compromised it :( ) === jbicha is now known as Guest73631 [03:17] Guest73631: i love your new nick [03:18] bah, I hate it when that happens === Guest73631 is now known as jbicha_ [03:18] a little better [04:53] Good morning [04:54] cyphermox: I thought gvfs was fixed now wrt. obex [05:19] RAOF: guess I'm not the only one who typos numbers [05:21] smspillaz: Actually, now that I look (and check [05:21] ) again, it seems that directory has the right number. [05:22] *blink* [05:22] *shame* [05:22] never trust me with numbers :( [05:28] good morning [05:30] morning didrocks [05:30] hey smspillaz! [05:30] hope everything is sane today :) [05:31] smspillaz: I hope as well, I just got a crash at startup though :p [05:31] didrocks: I'm building a ppa with my other branches which have yet to be merged so we can get some better testing [05:31] seems to be in unity [05:31] I'll let you know when its ready so we can get it into staging or something [05:31] smspillaz: oh great! [05:31] urgh :( [05:48] ogra_: linaro uploaded nux without using the VCS as well and screwed the testing that happened last night [05:49] * didrocks is loosing again 30 minutes this morning to clean this mess when he should be doing other thing for the release… [05:50] process fail [05:50] I thought everyone should coordinate with you first? [06:13] oupss, didn't see that channel [06:13] pitti: well, especially when it's things we decided to not include in precise, nux and unity opengles [06:13] (compiz and c-p-m was the first steps) [06:14] but ok, it's all sorted now [06:14] didrocks: so reverting isn't a better option then? [06:14] didrocks: it seems to me, if that doesn't work anyway, circumvented the process, breaks the PPA and testing, it'd be better reverted? [06:14] but anyway, you are the master [06:14] pitti: for nux, it's ok, it's just about switching an option at build time on armel only [06:15] pitti: so doesn't really impact us :) [06:15] ogra_: ah, so the patch needed to be updated for c-p-m? Thanks! :) [06:16] hum, there are 2 -0ubuntu10, I'm fixing this :) [06:18] pitti: btw, can you upate to ppa:unity-team/ppa please? [06:18] pitti: just for a final check and no "omg it's broken" at the last minute :) [06:18] (if you have some time, of course!) [06:18] updating [06:19] pitti: various people on the french forum are reporting that they are seeing some softwares being in english right now, is that known? [06:19] (since yesterday evening) [06:20] no, not known to me [06:20] ok, let me try to get more info ;) [06:26] desrt, hey [07:16] pitti: all is fine for you in the ppa? [07:18] didrocks: argh, sorry, trying now [07:19] no worry :) [07:19] about to release (just merging a crash fix I had this morning) [07:20] didrocks: checkbox-unity tool has no icon in teh launcher [07:20] didrocks: first time I open the hud, keys still go into the void (as if it was not focussed) [07:21] otherwise a guest session looks ok [07:21] pitti: grrr, that wasn't from the user testing :/ [07:21] pitti: there is a known bamf issue which is around for a while [07:21] pitti: it's the last piece missing right now, but now, dbo looked at it and can reproduce it [07:21] unfortunatly, no news since [07:21] didrocks, did you know unity has all the gsettings paths set wrong? [07:22] as it appears most of the canonical projects do :( [07:22] robert_ancell: you mean /apps/desktop [07:22] yeah [07:22] robert_ancell: we need to transition that, but for Q [07:22] to com.canonical [07:22] didrocks: will restart my own session in a bit, I'm almost done with jockey [07:22] pitti: ok ;) [07:22] I'm trying to stomp on as many of these as I can, as the more there are the more people copy them [07:22] pitti: the HUD one is worrying me more [07:22] pitti: just tried to restart unity, don't reproduce [07:22] it's similar to what I told the other day about the dash [07:23] keys go into the nautilus typeahead search [07:23] robert_ancell: yeah, but not reasonable to do that without transition [07:23] didrocks: but it's not a regression from what I can see [07:23] pitti: yeah, focusing issue… [07:23] restarting session now, brg [07:23] brb [07:25] didrocks: same problems confirmed in my own session [07:26] didrocks: but the missing icon one doesn't affect the non-PPA, I guess [07:26] pitti: the missing icon is a bamf issue [07:26] pitti: known and under work, should have been done for today [07:26] but well… can't push the devs to communicate [07:27] pitti: we just know it's in libbamf right now [07:27] for the focus issue, I'll ask gord [07:27] pitti: before releasing unity [07:27] I can release the rest of the stack [07:52] good morning everyone [08:02] good morning chrisccoulson [08:07] hi didrocks, how are you? [08:07] chrisccoulson: I'm fine and busy with unity, and you? :) [08:07] didrocks, yeah, pretty good thanks [08:08] hey [08:08] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:08] * RAOF stops frantically pushing the pointer against the screen edge and realises he's in a metacity session, not unity. [08:09] seb128, yeah, good thanks. how are you? [08:09] salut seb128 [08:09] seb128, oh, it seems my compiz freeze issue is a kernel bug ;) [08:09] RAOF: ahah ;) [08:09] chrisccoulson, not fully awake yet, went to bed late and overslept this morning but good I think ;-) [08:09] chrisccoulson, oh, is it? how did you figure it out? [08:09] lut didrocks [08:10] seb128, i didn't. Sarvatt noticed the warnings in my dmesg log though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/979251/comments/2 [08:10] Launchpad bug 979251 in linux "Compiz hangs every time when undocking or changing display configuration" [Medium,Incomplete] [08:10] tbh, i probably should have looked in there :) [08:10] bad kernel, no cookie! [08:11] I guess I've the same issue, my laptop is frozen even second time I dock,undock it [08:11] I didn't dare docking,undocking too much while the laptop is running for a while, I usually suspend before :p [08:11] oh, mine is normally ok when i dock it. it's when i remove the external screen or turn it off that it dies [08:12] oh, you close the lid when you dock though, don't you? [08:12] hey seb128 [08:12] chrisccoulson, I do yes [08:12] yeah, so i guess it could be the same issue :) [08:12] pitti, hey, wie gehts? [08:13] chrisccoulson, now that you mention it I think I get the issue on lid close after docking [08:13] last time I let the lid open under the desktop just to avoid taking the chance it would freeze :p [08:13] heh [08:13] * chrisccoulson decides not to close his lid to test ;) [08:13] "didrocks@u.c has 400 fixes" [08:14] didrocks, you did reach the 400 mark! [08:14] chrisccoulson, ;-) [08:14] chrisccoulson, now you can probably enjoy playing ping pong with the kernel team bot every time they do an upload :p [08:15] seb128, yeah, that already started just a minute or so after Sarvatt assigned the bug to the kernel [08:15] (I hate reporting kernel bugs, nobody look at them but they auto incomplete it at every single upload for you) [08:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/979251/comments/3 [08:15] Launchpad bug 979251 in linux "Compiz hangs every time when undocking or changing display configuration" [Medium,Incomplete] [08:15] ;) [08:15] this is why i hate reporting kernel bugs :) [08:15] hehe [08:15] same here [08:16] seb128: gut, danke! [08:16] seb128: yeah, but I have 80+ pending and they won't count [08:16] seb128: that makes me sad :) [08:16] seb128: you fixed a lot of bugs yesterday, congrats :) [08:16] didrocks, I will cry :p [08:16] seb128: I hope so, it's so unfair! [08:16] hmmmm, i really hope my delivery of beer arrives today [08:17] pitti, thanks ;-) I think I'm mostly done, you can probably catch me today, I plan to do translation updates [08:17] seb128: chrisccoulson: +1, I have the ping pong on one of my bug for over 1 year now [08:17] and the other has no answer as well [08:17] i.e export po files for shared-mime-info, xdg-user-dirs, etc [08:17] same prob reporting xorg bugs? [08:18] bryceh, I didn't report xorg bugs for a while but I don't remember you guys setting the bug to incomplete at every single upload without having an human ever reading your report [08:18] it's pretty frustrating when you describe an obvious bug to have to fight a bot to not have your ticket closed [08:18] pitti: fyi, I asked gord to look at the focus issue [08:19] pitti, sooooo [08:19] * pitti holds his breath [08:20] pitti, gedit lost its french translations with yesterday's langpack update [08:20] I'm an unhappy french user today :p [08:20] seb128: a lot of french users are reporting that [08:20] weird; there was only an update pack [08:20] the -base packages didn't change [08:20] seb128, yeah, agreed. their bugbot derives from mine, but I've toned down my use of it quite a bit. I think they've toned theirs up. admittedly they get a lot of bugs though... [08:20] $ dpkg -S gedit.mo [08:20] I told pitti about it :) [08:20] language-pack-gnome-en: /usr/share/locale-langpack/en@shaw/LC_MESSAGES/gedit.mo [08:20] language-pack-gnome-en: /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_AU/LC_MESSAGES/gedit.mo [08:20] language-pack-gnome-en: /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/gedit.mo [08:20] language-pack-gnome-en: /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/gedit.mo [08:21] pitti, I bet you lost the german translations [08:21] indeed I did [08:21] $ dpkg -L language-pack-gnome-de | grep gedit [08:21] $ [08:21] $ dpkg -L language-pack-gnome-en-base|grep gedit [08:21] $ [08:21] WTH [08:21] pitti, it's in language-pack-gnome-en [08:21] pitti, not -base [08:21] pitti: see, you should trust the french forum! :) [08:21] right, but why would it not be in -base? [08:22] pitti, that's the million dollar question! [08:22] ;-) [08:22] so, we'll get a fresh -base export next Tuesday [08:22] people reported terminal, synaptic, gnome-monitor-system [08:22] gnome-system-monitor even :p [08:22] that ought to fix it [08:22] pitti, are we sure gedit will be in? [08:22] terminal is fine here [08:22] didrocks, synaptic is a different issue, it was langpacked this week only, i.e made to use dh_translations [08:23] ah ok ;) [08:23] so it needs a new export I think [08:23] ./sources-base/language-pack-gnome-fr-base/data/fr/LC_MESSAGES/gedit.po [08:23] seb128: yes, as the current export has it [08:23] pitti, ok, good, I hope we will not miss any [08:24] I feel uneasy that this issue is happening now [08:24] if the next export is screwed it's getting late for precise [08:24] seb128, didrocks: sudo apt-get install --reinstall language-pack-gnome-de-base [08:24] it's not the export by itself [08:24] it seems the Replaces: is playing tricks on us again [08:24] trying [08:24] -base originally had it [08:25] then it seems a followup update pack _also_ had it, overwriting the -base one [08:25] and then the next update after that dropped it again [08:25] the last step Should Not Happen(tm), though [08:25] didrocks: I tried it, it works [08:25] wfm as well [08:25] pitti, danke [08:25] you have some speedy computer :) [08:25] it could be that the second-last update was built against a wrong/old -base version or so [08:26] mine is still trying to install :p [08:26] didrocks: 1.055 kB/s *shrug* [08:26] didrocks: oh, that just took some 5 secs here [08:26] pitti: not the download, here, installing a package takes ~40s [08:26] ssd for the win [08:26] I really think my hd is near to death [08:26] * pitti ^5s seb128 [08:26] * pitti proposes foundations-q-usr-on-tmpfs [08:27] ;-) [08:27] ok, gedit is fine as well [08:29] seb128: what do you think of fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/librsvg/+bug/931802 by doing what Debian did and adding a symlink + some compat magic? [08:29] Launchpad bug 931802 in librsvg "/usr/bin/rsvg disappeared" [High,Confirmed] [08:29] micahg, do we still have anything using rsvg? I though we fixed imagemagick [08:30] micahg, we had an archive rebuild since and no build issue [08:30] seb128: have you looked at all the failures yet? I haven't had a chance [08:30] micahg, I'm unsure we should add a compat layer for something which was deprecated for years and nothing in the archive is using [08:30] seb128: oh, if nothing is using it, that's fine, I was under the impression we still had some failures [08:31] micahg, I will double check, thanks for pointing it, but I think we are fine [08:31] ok, thanks [09:11] didrocks: ah, not using -proposed this time? [09:11] pitti: see #ubuntu-release [09:11] 09:28:28 didrocks | so starting to push the whole unity stack (we will maybe have a bamf release a little bit later) including compiz and [09:11] | c-p-m. There is no ABI break for those, so I can push them directly [09:11] 09:28:40 didrocks | then, for nux/unity/unity-2d I will use -proposed once the release is ready [09:11] didrocks: will the new compiz / c-p-m break current unity? [09:11] pitti: no [09:12] didrocks: ah, thanks [09:33] didrocks, pitti: there is a potential weirdness (or it's my box being weird) with compiz in guest session classic [09:33] didrocks, pitti: I get an "empty" compiz profile here [09:34] like compiz is running but empty of any option, i.e no decorator, no move plugin activate, no resize, no ws switcher [09:34] well it's only when doing a "classic" guest, not a frequent usecase [09:36] seb128: not on your classic normal session? [09:37] didrocks, no, let me try with a new user [09:37] didrocks, maybe apparmor is blocking some profile reading or something for guest [09:37] weird that it works with the unity profile though [09:40] didrocks, same for a new user [09:40] seb128: what your plugin list is telling you? [09:40] I bet it's the default hack that was requested by duflu [09:41] didrocks, what is the gconf key again? [09:41] ok /apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/active_plugins [09:42] yeah [09:42] this one and the compizconfig-1/Default … [09:42] seb128: ^ [09:42] Aucune valeur définie pour « /apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/active_plugins » [09:42] and the one is the default profile? [09:42] /apps/compizconfig-1/profiles/Default/general/screen0/options: [09:42] active_plugins = [core,composite,opengl,compiztoolbox,decor,vpswitch,snap,mousepoll,resize,place,move,wall,grid,regex,imgpng,session,gnomecompat,animation,fade,workarounds,scale,expo,ezoom] [09:42] weird [09:42] indeed :/ [09:43] so compiz isn't copying for the default profile [09:43] and I was right, the default plugin list is important [09:43] I can't put it it back though, as it's what did the locking [09:43] so need duflu or sam on this one [09:44] didrocks, get going with your uploads, that's not impacting unity [09:44] we can sort that in a second round [09:44] seb128: right, continuing, can you sum up that to him? :) [09:44] yes [09:44] duflu, hey [09:44] thanks seb128 ;) [09:44] * didrocks hugs seb128 [09:44] * seb128 hugs didrocks [09:44] hey seb128 [09:44] duflu, so with the current compiz stack "gnome classic" for new profiles has a weird compiz config [09:45] duflu, compiz runs, but none of the import plugins are activated [09:45] like no resize, no move, no decoration [09:45] import(ant)? [09:45] no workspace switcher [09:45] no alt-tab [09:45] * duflu tries gnome classic [09:45] it's like compiz core only was running and failing to activate any plugin [09:45] gconf has [09:45] /apps/compizconfig-1/profiles/Default/general/screen0/options: [09:45] active_plugins = [core,composite,opengl,compiztoolbox,decor,vpswitch,snap,mousepoll,resize,place,move,wall,grid,regex,imgpng,session,gnomecompat,animation,fade,workarounds,scale,expo,ezoom] [09:46] No value set for `/apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/active_plugins' [09:46] [09:46] duflu, didrocks think it's a side effect of the "no default plugin" change done to workaround the locking issue [10:11] pitti, hey, didrocks suggested you might be able to try a fix for the dash/hud input focus thing? lp:~gordallott/unity/horribleworkaroundfordashinputwindow if your willing to build locally [10:11] pitti: can you build it or do you want we try in a ppa first? (but that will take an hour the time for the bot to build it, push to the ppa an so) [10:11] gord: it always takes a while until I can reproduce it again, but I can build it here and then run with it for a while [10:11] seb128, did you have a chance to get the log of the nothing-in-dash issue? [10:12] mhr3, no, it happens only on session start and I'm not quick enough to open a g-t and run a bustle, by the time I do it the session is loaded :p [10:12] gord: oh, the input focus, not the HUD coming up; sure [10:12] yeah [10:12] gord: your hack won't start the lenses on startup? [10:12] seb128, /etc/xdg/autostart ? ;) [10:13] didrocks, nope, i was careful about that [10:13] mhr3, let me try [10:13] ok ;) [10:13] gord: I can reproduce this quite reliably, so sure [10:13] gord: it's nasty, your are nasty ;) [10:13] gord: it also affects the hud, BTW [10:13] what's the bug? focus issue if you type before the hud is being displayed? [10:13] pitti: if you build it, please double check that the lenses aren't start just after login please [10:14] i.e too quick to alt type? [10:14] pitti, yeah, thats also included in it, just didn't want to make the branch name even longer [10:14] seb128, nope not that [10:14] input not going to hud/dash when you open it the first time sometimes but not always [10:14] that's an upstream-ish branch; how can I build and pkg-ify this? [10:14] ok [10:14] gord, didrocks: ^ [10:14] pitti, bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/unity/ubuntu [10:15] cd ubuntu [10:15] bzr merge lp:~gordallott/unity/horribleworkaroundfordashinputwindow [10:15] bzr bd [10:15] ah, and then merge gor'ds branch [10:15] sure [10:15] cheers [10:15] yw ;-) [10:15] full source upstream and distro in bzr for the win ;-) [10:15] packages? just make install into /usr! [10:16] hum [10:16] pitti: ensure you have the nux -dev package from the ppa [10:16] gord, /usr/local so you can complain that nothing works 3 months later :p [10:16] gord, dx like to do that ;-) [10:17] and they like to poke me about it [10:18] like "I installed the ppa and it's not working, your packages are totally broken" [10:18] "did you have something on /usr/local?" [10:18] worked 100% of the cases from my stats here :) [10:18] didrocks: sorry, which PPA was that again? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/ppa ? [10:18] pitti: yep [10:22] gord: building [10:23] why does apport say that aptd crashing is a dupe of an ancient bug (639616) and refuses to report it again? [10:23] that bug being closed 2y ago [10:24] apport bug [10:24] ok [10:24] if you could report that and attach the .crash file and pointer to existing bug, that'd help [10:25] ok I will [10:47] pitti: enjoying how unity is long to build? ;) [10:57] didrocks: it finished some minutes ago in fact [10:57] pitti: waow, I'm envious of your hardware then :) [10:59] gord, didrocks: so, that branch seems to fix it, or make it massively better (tried 6 times in a guest session) [10:59] didrocks: I built with -j4 [10:59] gord: confirming that lenses are not started by default [11:00] pitti: if I do that, I can ensure you that my laptop will go to the hoven just after :) [11:00] \o/ [11:00] didrocks: I didn't pay close attention, but was something like 15 mins [11:00] didrocks: how long does it take for you? [11:00] ~45 [11:00] actually, stat'ing the build log tells: [11:01] Access: 2012-04-12 12:21:52.700393898 +0200 [11:01] Modify: 2012-04-12 12:43:08.152455627 +0200 [11:01] 22 mins [11:01] not bad :) [11:01] not to show off or anything, but it takes me about a minute ;) [11:01] can certainly become faster with ccache [11:01] okay maybe to show off a little [11:01] gord: tsssssssss [11:01] gord: pre-built tree, I guess :) [11:01] didrocks, you want a merge request for this then [11:01] ? [11:01] gord: nice work! [11:01] gord: yeah, but please add some /* FIXME */ [11:02] didrocks, yeah thats the plan [11:02] gord: sign off with your blood that you did that, because you had to! :p [11:02] lunch, bbl [11:02] gord: well done, thanks for the timely answer ;) [11:02] pitti: enjoy === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:11] pitti: thanks for testing btw :) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === mbiebl_ is now known as mbiebl === ogra is now known as Guest6312 === Guest6312 is now known as ogra_ [11:49] pitti, there? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [11:57] installed ubuntu 11.10 desktop and hooked it up to my 32" lcd, it seems the screen is larger than the lcd, and the trashcan is off the screen [11:57] how can I make the desktop fit on the screen [11:58] yaboo, hi, try #ubuntu for user support questions [11:59] seb128 thanks [12:02] seb128: back now [12:03] pitti, so just to check, admin users are either member of "admin" (upgrades) or "sudo" new installs? [12:03] seb128: yes [12:03] seb128: btw, I re-closed the gnome-menus task; the patch is already disabled, so let's keep it that way [12:03] pitti, g-c-c has a similar group handling issues, didrocks is updating the patch to fix it [12:03] jbicha did update it recently but in a buggy way [12:03] argh, another one? I thought we caughht them all [12:04] (did I say that I hate such incompatible changes) [12:04] building the fix with the other g-c-c change :) [12:04] pitti, yes, I wonder how many are still around that we didn't catch [12:06] pitti, does it mean we need to keep the "check for admin" compat patches for ever? [12:06] seb128: unless we do a migration of the old group members, I guess so [12:06] :-( [12:06] I think at some point we should do that [12:06] i. e. add all admin members to the sudo group [12:06] we shouldn't have renamed to start with, but I'm guess I'm late to argue on that :p [12:07] no argument from me :) [12:07] yeah, it seems more reasonable to transition at some point [12:07] I was quite surprised by it, too [12:07] or we will have tons of diff for nothing [12:07] didrocks: locally that's no problem, I just wonder how that works with NIS/krb/smb/whatever other network DBs [12:07] pitti: indeed, it's tricky when you go outside /etc/passwd ;) [12:32] seb128, pitti: I tracked down the bug in gstreamer for bug 966294 [12:32] Launchpad bug 966294 in ubiquity "Ubiquity loops forever from ubiquity_webcam_play" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966294 [12:33] seb128, pitti: The following change fixes it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/926326/ [12:33] essentially a revert of upstream f56c6e12255b37d75b1eb949e434fa8e3bb33f51 [12:34] though I don't actually know/understand gstreamer, so before I just upload a new gstreamer with that change reverted, I thought it'd be a good idea to let you have a look at it ;) [12:34] slomo_, hey, do you have an opinion on that ^ [12:34] I basically tracked it down bisecting from oneiric to precise on an affected machine [12:34] you are probably the one knowing gstreamer best here ;-) [12:34] oh right, especially because of: [12:34] commit f56c6e12255b37d75b1eb949e434fa8e3bb33f51 [12:34] Author: Sebastian Dröge [12:35]