[07:09] <Omid> salaaam
[07:25] <Sahar> salam
[07:25] <Sahar> salam
[08:13] <amn> salam akharin version ubuntu  chande ??
[12:36] <centooos> energy
[12:49] <Omid> salaam
[13:23] <elham> samira: سلام میشه یه کمکی کنید به من ؟
[18:57] <esak> kasi inja virtual box kar karde ?
[18:58] <esak> klid minbor vareed shodan be virtual box o kharej shodan az un kodome?? bara mouse ?
[19:04] <esak> centooos salam
[19:04] <esak> javab soal mano midoni
[19:04] <centooos> esak, salam che soali?
[19:05] <esak> beben ba virtual box kar kardi centooos
[19:05] <centooos> esak, bale
[19:06] <centooos> esak, moshkelet chie?
[19:06] <esak> ok beben en  klid  ke az virtual miad biroon chea ? asab khord karde
[19:07] <esak> centooos
[19:07] <centooos> esak, chi kliede chi?
[19:08] <esak>  ببین یه  چیزی باید زد که از ماشین مجازی خارج شد . اون چیه ؟
[19:08] <esak> centooos
[19:09] <centooos> aha
[19:09] <centooos> esak, beza ye test konam. alan yadam nis
[19:09] <esak> ok test kon eb dare ro asabam rah mire
[19:13] <esak> be natihe residi centooos
[19:13] <esak> natije
[19:13] <centooos> esak, daghighan motevaje nashodam fk konam. mitoni close koni dg?pas moshkelet chie?
[19:14] <esak> na azizi masalan u  to virtual ubuntu dari bad satart mikoni
[19:14] <esak> khob age bekgay mouset kar kone to ubutu
[19:14] <esak> click mikoni to  ubuntu
[19:15] <esak> ama age bekhai az panjare ubutu ke to virtual baz shode kharej bshi
[19:15] <esak> chikar mikoni ? namishe magar mage enke cnt+alt+del bezani
[19:15] <esak> centooos
[19:16] <esak> grefti
[19:17] <centooos> esak, are famidam chi migy. ye os avordam bala ama vase man vaghty mouso az panjere virtualam miaram biron berahaty mohit os aslim miad va kar mikone
[19:19] <esak> ama male man namishe centooos :(
[19:19] <esak> virtual version chande  male u ??
[19:20] <centooos> esak, bbin virtualeto az maximize dar biar bad test kon bbin mous tekon midi miad biroon ya na?
[19:21] <centooos> esak, man 4.0.4 estefade mikonam
[19:22] <esak> emetahan  kardam centooos nashod
[19:22] <esak> man version paeen tar daram
[19:24] <centooos> esak, nemidonam chera moshkel ejad karde barat. mikhay ye Ctrl+Alt bezan
[19:24] <centooos> shayad javab bede
[19:27] <esak> centooos u programing ham kar kardi
[19:27] <centooos> esak, soalet chie/?
[19:29] <esak> centooos paydash kardam. fagaht  klid ctrl rast bayad zad
[19:29] <centooos> esak, are moghe roshan start kardanesh migoft hamino bezanaa.
[19:31] <esak> faghat ya chiz dge. yaki az bahce haye room migoft khobe virualbox ene ke mitoni az system haye ke tosh nasbe poshtiban begiri ke  age das khord rahat be tanzimat aval bargardi. to midoni chetori  hast centooos
[19:32] <centooos> esak, bbin masalan ye fedora nasb mikoni
[19:32] <centooos> bad azash ye sbapshot begir
[19:32] <centooos> bad mikhay k ftp ra bendazi
[19:32] <centooos> ye sery package nasb mikoni
[19:32] <centooos> esak, hala age kharab kary kardy
[19:33] <centooos> mizani ro snapshot ghabli . bad bar migarde b on halate ghablie delkhat.
[19:33] <esak> ahan are snapshot. chetori migiran  centooos . man  hamin alan virual nasb kadram ghabalan vmware dashtam
[19:35] <centooos> esak, to on safey k liste os hay k nasb kardy hastan. samte ras bala zade snapshot. ye negah bendazy minbini. begard peidash kon khodet.
[19:36] <esak> are hastesh vali alan ke ubuntu baze mikham snapshot begiram error mide ?! centooos
[19:36] <centooos> esak, che eroory mide?
[19:36] <esak> ok  shodesh centooos
[19:37] <esak> fahmiddam
[19:39] <esak> centooos ta kay hasti ?
[19:39] <centooos> esak, nemidonam malom nis
[19:40] <esak> dar khosose programing soal daram azat centooos barmigardam
[19:40] <centooos> esak, ok age bodamo balad bodam komaket mikonam
[19:59] <esak> #tehlug
[20:00] <esak> #debian-ir
[20:04] <esak> inja barname nevis hast ??
[20:14] <farhefa> soaleto bepors esak, age kesi balad bashe javab mide
[20:15] <esak> mikham bedonam che zabone hast ek hameja karbord dashte bashe . midonam ke soal  alaki e hast : )
[20:15] <farhefa> avalin zabanie ke mikhay yad begiri?
[20:16] <esak> naa man khodam reshtam it bodesh
[20:16] <esak> hamishe migoftam beram ya zabone yad begiram
[20:16] <esak> ama hamishe ham  moshkel en bood
[20:16] <esak> ke kodom behtare ??
[20:16] <farhefa> bebin, behtar nadare zaban :D
[20:17] <farhefa> vase ye seri chiza C khoobe, vase ye seri dge C++, vase ye seri java, python,perl!
[20:17] <farhefa> chikar mikhay bokoni?
[20:17] <esak> are manam be hamin nateje residam. ama ya chizi mikham ke hameja kar kone.  windows. linux. mobile
[20:17] <esak> hame ja
[20:17] <esak> :)
[20:18] <farhefa> hmm...
[20:18] <farhefa> Java ya C++ bekhoon,
[20:18] <farhefa> ta jaE ke midoonam Python roo hameye mobile ha kar nemikone
[20:18] <farhefa> albate Java va C++ roo iPhone kar nemikonan
[20:19] <farhefa> vase iPhone bayad Objective C code bezani
[20:19] <farhefa> ba Java mitooni kar koni, hame ja javab mide
[20:19] <farhefa> ya C++ bekhooni
[20:19] <farhefa> va Qt ham yad begiri
[20:19] <farhefa> taghriban be hamechi port shode Qt
[20:20] <esak> yaki az bache haye room migoft  java khobe . ama chon ro vm ejra mishe bug ziad dare
[20:20] <farhefa> bug ziad nadare be khatere vm,
[20:20] <farhefa> soratesh paEn tare
[20:20] <esak> beben en QT fagaht ba c++ mikhore
[20:20] <farhefa> java kolan zabane khoobie, vali soratesh nesbate be C va C++ ye meghdar kamtare
[20:21] <farhefa> na,
[20:21] <farhefa> ba python ham mishe Qt zad
[20:21] <farhefa> ba Perl ham mishe
[20:21] <farhefa> ba Java ham mishe fek konam
[20:21] <esak> dge...
[20:21] <farhefa> vali frameworke asli vase C++ e
[20:21] <esak> QT kolan chea
[20:21] <esak> mitoni  bishtar tozih bdi
[20:22] <farhefa> ye framework baraye application neveshtane
[20:22] <farhefa> vase web neveshtan nist masalan :P
[20:22] <esak> sade atr mifi plz  :D
[20:22] <esak> sade tar migi plz
[20:22] <farhefa> harchizi ke application e mobile va desktop bashe mishe nevesht bahash
[20:22] <farhefa> sakht ham nist ziad
[20:23] <farhefa> ye library e , include mikoni, azash estefade mikoni ke application benevisi
[20:23] <farhefa> chize khasi nis! :)
[20:23] <farhefa> KDE ro ba Qt neveshtan masalan
[20:24] <esak> good
[20:24] <esak> yani ya toraye bara  grefik ghaziye hast
[20:24] <esak> doroste
[20:24] <farhefa> are
[20:24] <farhefa> bishtar baraye GUI neveshtan estefade mishe
[20:25] <esak> ok u khodet  chi kar kardi ?
[20:25] <farhefa> are
[20:25] <farhefa> man Qt kar kardam
[20:25] <esak> ba c++ ?
[20:25] <farhefa> are
[20:25] <farhefa> PHP, Perl, Java ham kar kardam
[20:26] <esak> nice pas bemoon ta hesabi bahs konim
[20:27] <esak> man dar hade khayli kam ba c# va c++ kar kardam . mikham bedonam ke vaghti  mikhai ya barname mesle mashin hesab ba c++ benevisi zaher uno chikar mikonan??
[20:27] <farhefa> ba GTK ya Qt mizanan
[20:28] <farhefa> ya az framework haye microsoft estefade mikonan ke man kar nakardam nemishnasam!
[20:28] <esak> unvaght en QT mohit visual hast ? masalan bekhan ya dokme + ya - bezaran chikar mikonan ??
[20:29] <farhefa> ham mishe ba mohide visual (Qt Designer) ina ro doros kard, ham mishe ba code doros kard
[20:31] <esak> khob hala che farghi bene en chanta hast.  barname mashin hesab ba c# / mashin hesab  ba c++ va
[20:31] <esak> QT
[20:31] <esak> mshin hesabi ke ba QT va c++ sakhte mishe
[20:31] <esak> ya mashin hesabi ke ba QT va java sakhte mishe
[20:32] <farhefa> hmm..
[20:33] <farhefa> example code ha ro negah koni hamashoon in mesala ro neveshtan!
[20:33] <farhefa> moghayese kon!
[20:33] <farhefa> ina be shedat saligheEie
[20:33] <farhefa> man ba Qt hal mikonam
[20:33] <farhefa> yeki dge ba Java hal mikone
[20:33] <esak> na na man manozar be codashon nsit. be amalkardeshone
[20:33] <farhefa> yekiam ba C++
[20:34] <farhefa> oonghad farghi nadare too barname haye intori
[20:34] <farhefa> hamashoon rahat javab midan
[20:34] <farhefa> barname ke bozorg beshe, roo performance fargh mikonan
[20:34] <farhefa> ke bazam oon bastegi be programmer dare
[20:35] <farhefa> momkene yeki ba ye code ba Qt bezane ke soratesh az Java bishtar bashe
[20:35] <farhefa> yeki dge ba Java code bezane ke soratesh az oon Qt bishtar bashe
[20:35] <farhefa> dar majmoo C++ soratesh bishtare
[20:35] <farhefa> vali kheili bastegi dare ke chetori code bezani bahash
[20:35] <farhefa> bayad shoroo koni az yeja
[20:36] <farhefa> kam kam zabanaye dge ham yad migiri
[20:36] <farhefa> alan harcheghad begardi kesi nis ke behet bege boro ino yad begir va harfesh 100% dorost bashe
[20:36] <farhefa> bayad chand ta zaban balad bashi
[20:36] <farhefa> too har project ba har kodoom rahat tari ba oon kar koni
[20:36] <esak> ama fkr mikonam  to meghdar cod neveshatn  ba ham fargh asasi konan. masalan  mashin hesab to c# fkr mikonan khayli kamatar code bekhatd ta c++
[20:37] <esak> doroste
[20:37] <farhefa> man ba perl ziad kar kardam, vali az perl khosham nemiad,
[20:37] <farhefa> vali behem began beshin web crawler benevis miram ba perl minevisam!
[20:37] <farhefa> chon too in kara az baghie rahat tare va ghavi tare
[20:38] <farhefa> be zaban rabti nadare meghdare code ziad, be framework rabt dare
[20:38] <farhefa> man naneveshtam mashin hesabi ro ke migi
[20:38] <farhefa> vali foghesh ba Qt 200~300 khat mishe ye mashin hesabe sade
[20:39] <farhefa> ba Java desktop application naneveshtam nemidoonam cheghad mishe
[20:40] <esak> ok.  midoni man age bekham chizi ro etekhab konam bishtar az hame ba c++ hal mikonam
[20:40] <esak> namidonam chera
[20:40] <esak> ama bahale
[20:41] <farhefa> :)
[20:41] <esak> badesham ya chiz dge
[20:41] <esak> man proje unim tarahi site ba asp.net bodesh
[20:41] <esak> be tarahi site ham alageh daram
[20:42] <esak> age kasi c# ro balad bashe dar kenar asp.net  mokamele khobi hast. ham site misaze ham  application ham web application
[20:43] <esak> intooor nis
[20:45] <esak> farhefa
[21:21] <esak> psydroid u programing kar kardi ?
[21:21] <psydroid> esak, man kami programming kardam, are
[21:22] <esak> che zaboni ?
[21:22] <psydroid> java, c, c++
[21:22] <psydroid> pascal, scala
[21:22] <esak> ba yaki az bache ha to room bahse garmi mikardim ke ya dafe raftesh
[21:23] <esak> dar mored Qt chetor midoni psydroid
[21:23] <esak> ?
[21:23] <psydroid> esak honooz nemidonam
[21:24] <psydroid> man mikham Qt5 yad begiram
[21:24] <esak> hala az bene ena kodom be nazaret behatr bode ?
[21:24] <esak> psydroid
[21:25] <psydroid> Qt4 alan estefade mishe ama dar ayende az Qt5 estefade mikonan
[21:26] <psydroid> ham Qt4 kheili ghadime, chand 7 ya 8 sal pish shoru shod
[21:26] <esak> az en zaboona ke kar kardi kodomesh ro bishtar ghabool dari
[21:26] <esak> ?
[21:27] <psydroid> mamo bebakhsh, farsi zaboone madariyam nist o faghat az do sal pish daram yad migira
[21:27] <psydroid> m
[21:28] <esak> psydroid javab mano nadadi
[21:28] <psydroid> az c++ o az scala khosham miyad, c ham bad nist ama az in aksaran beraye system programming estefade mikonan
[21:28] <psydroid> esak, alan dadam
[21:29] <esak> manzoret chea aksaran bara system programing estefade mikonan psydroid
[21:29] <psydroid> ama in rooza python, php o javascript ham kheili mahboob mishan
[21:30] <psydroid> c o c++, chun seragh hastan
[21:31] <psydroid> sorry, man farsi kheili khoob harf nemizanam omidvaram ke mano befahmi
[21:31] <esak> ok  khobe :)
[21:32] <esak> u ba c++ web application ham sakhti ?? psydroid
[21:36] <psydroid> esak ta hala nakardam
[21:36] <esak> ok mamnoon psydroid
[21:37] <psydroid> man mikham ba php kami kar mikonam
[21:37] <psydroid> bad shayad ba c++ ya scala chizi besazam
[21:37] <esak> maanm hamintoor
[21:37] <esak> manam php ro dos daram vali  aslan akr nakardam
[21:37] <esak> ketab khoob soragh dari psydroid
[21:38] <psydroid> man aslan ebook nadaram
[21:39] <esak> chi dari pas
[21:40] <psydroid> man chand sal pish chand ta ketab az hend avardam o una ro alan mikhunam
[21:42] <esak> ok mamnoon psydroid
[21:43] <psydroid> ama man motmayinam ke ye ja ebook hast, man bayad kami justju konam ta una ro peyda konam
[21:49] <psydroid> khahesh esak