[04:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Further Ubuntu Accomplishments Progress - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/12/further-ubuntu-accomplishments-progress/
[07:02] <diplo> morning all
[07:39] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:49] <dogmatic69> o/
[07:50] <dwatkins> \o
[07:50] <daubers> Morning
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> morning
[07:52] <daubers> Any woodworky types around? After recommendations on how to finish a laser cut thing I'm working on
[07:53] <dogmatic69> daubers: I used to own a furniture manufacturing company if that counts
[07:53] <daubers> dogmatic69: It does!
[07:53] <dogmatic69> what you wanna know?
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Gears! Lots and lots of gears.
[07:53] <daubers> dogmatic69: I've been told that beeswax is ok, but have no idea if that would work on laser cut ply or how to apply it :)
[07:54] <dogmatic69> depending on your needs, give it a good sanding. smooth all the edges etc
[07:55] <dogmatic69> beeswax / oil is way more effort than varnish, but in the long run less
[07:55] <daubers> More effort to apply, but less effort to look after?
[07:58] <dogmatic69> ye, exactly
[07:59] <dogmatic69> varnish, especially outside items will require sanding down and reapplying in time, using oil it is just a matter of rubbing more on now and again
[07:59] <dogmatic69> what is the item?
[07:59] <daubers> It's a laptop stand :)
[08:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:02] <AlanBell> morning
[08:02] <daubers> o/
[08:02] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:03] <daubers> dogmatic69: Was looking at something like http://www.briwax.co.uk/products/beeswax.html
[08:04] <dogmatic69> daubers: something that should be fine.
[08:06] <dogmatic69> I have not specifically used beeswax, but that has linseed oil also. One of the things I have been told / done for oiling stuff is every day for a week, every week for a month and then every month for a year. If you follow that you would never have to do anything again
[08:06] <daubers> Cool :)
[08:21] <JamesTait> G'mornin' all! :D
[08:22] <daubers> o/
[08:25]  * daubers may need to pop out for more paracetamol
[08:27]  * dogmatic69 has a small pharmacy going 
[08:32] <meet> i have got a 10 yr old pc with winxp. was planning to install ubuntu 10.10 (as i experienced it to be less resource consuming.) but should i go with lubuntu ?
[08:33] <dwatkins> What spec is the machine, in terms of CPU speed and RAM, meet? Also, how much disk space do you have available?
[08:34] <meet> i got 40 gb hard drive which is half filled i guess. 512mb ram. pentium 4 processor
[08:34] <dwatkins> What speed is the CPU?
[08:34] <meet> 1.6 ghz i think
[08:35] <dwatkins> I'm running 10.04 on an Atom-based machine, it's hyperthreaded, so probably runs a bit better than your P4, but the core is 1.6 GHz and it's got a 16 GB root partition. It's got a gig of RAM, though, that might be the best and simplest thing to upgrade.
[08:36] <popey> meet: 10.10 went out of support this week
[08:36] <bigcalm> Install 10.04 and you'll get a little bit of support
[08:37] <dwatkins> I'm not aware of a huge difference between 10.04 and 11.04 in terms of requirements, might actually be better to have a newer version.
[08:37] <gord> i've got atoms on 12.04 that work well
[08:37] <popey> not with 512MB RAM you don't :)(
[08:37] <popey> I have two 900MHz celerons running 12.04 ☺
[08:37] <dwatkins> meet: ultimately, you may end up spending more each year in electricity if you're running that P4 than if you bought an Atom-based system.
[08:38] <dwatkins> My old 1 GHz AMD-based system cost me over 200 pounds a year in power alone to run constantly
[08:38] <dwatkins> 160 Watts
[08:38] <bigcalm> I miss how quiet the Revo is. Wondering if I shall move the ProLiant to another part of the house and use Ethernet over Power. Maybe even the garage...
[08:39] <popey> its not _that_ loud!
[08:39] <popey> well, maybe the N40L is?
[08:39] <bigcalm> Humm
[08:39] <bigcalm> I don't have a sound meter to test
[08:40] <daubers> dogmatic69: Thanks for the advice :) Will take a trip to the diy shop this evening
[08:40] <gord> yeah you want more than 512mb for 12.04
[08:41] <gord> apart from that, it should work fine
[08:41] <dwatkins> I'd show my phpsysinfo, meet, but it's largely unexciting, and the fact it says I have 20 MB RAM free is slightly misleading.
[08:41] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I should put munin back online.
[08:42] <bigcalm> popey: still haven't decided if I need to replace the 2gb with 8gb. What's your opinion
[08:42] <bigcalm> ?
[08:44]  * dwatkins ponders a Linksys router with the Tomato firmware
[08:44] <meet> the thing is that pc is hardly used except by my mom. and she complains often of the sluggishness of the winxp. and i find no reason to upgrade the hardware. so for those lightweight, simplistic approach which is better?
[08:45] <bigcalm> meet: a new and very cheap machine will save you a lot of grief and money in the long run
[08:45] <popey> bigcalm: i have one with 8GB, one with 1GB
[08:46] <popey> meet: lubuntu
[08:46] <bigcalm> popey: how much of the 8gb is in use?
[08:46] <dwatkins> Dell's outlet website is a good place to look for a cheap barebones machine.
[08:46] <popey> bigcalm: dunno, its just been rebooted, so not much
[08:46] <bigcalm> Ah
[08:46] <bigcalm> As has mine
[08:47] <meet> but the thought of cheapest cheap ugraded using linux is bringing out the miser in me :D
[08:47] <bigcalm> Last thing that needs moving from the Revo are my parents' backups, then I can leave the ProLiant on 24/7
[08:47] <dwatkins> meet: what kind of upgrade? imho, you probably ony need to upgrade the RAM.
[08:49] <popey> it will still be slow
[08:49] <popey> my mum has an Acer Aspire Revo 3600 as her only computer
[08:49] <dwatkins> yeah, I'm just thinking what's required to run Ubuntu as opposed to an ideal replacement
[08:50] <dwatkins> bare minimum would be 1 GB, I imagine.
[08:51] <meet> dwatkins i think the motherboard wont support extra ram..
[08:52] <dwatkins> aw shame
[08:53] <bigcalm> I keep quick-reading that line as "my mother won't support extra ram"
[08:53] <bigcalm> I think I need coffee
[08:53]  * dwatkins downloads lubuntu out of curiosity
[09:02] <dwatkins> "Minimum requirements for lubuntu are comparable to Pentium II or Celeron systems with a 128 Mb RAM configuration, which may yield a slow yet usable system with lubuntu."
[09:02] <dwatkins> I'm interested to see how well it performs if I give the virtual machine only 128 MB RAM.
[09:06] <gord> Myrtti, you might appreciate as much as me http://i.imgur.com/ObdfG.jpg
[09:07] <Myrtti> oh wow
[09:07] <Myrtti> instant wallpaper material
[09:09] <dwatkins> Miyazaki++
[09:09] <Myrtti> I don't recognise the biker lady in the camouflage overalls, but the rest looks familiar
[09:09] <dwatkins> That's an awesome pic, gord :)
[09:10] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:10] <Myrtti> nor the ninjas
[09:11] <bigcalm> I have a magnetic paw Jiji :)
[09:11] <bigcalm> And a cuddly Totoro, sadly missing an eye :(
[09:12] <dwatkins> I'm not aware of the cat bus, looks a little strange.
[09:12] <gord> then you should make My Neighbour Totoro the next movie you watch :)
[09:13] <bigcalm> Neko Bus?
[09:13] <bigcalm> Really
[09:13] <bigcalm> :D
[09:13] <directhex> mine's on region 1
[09:13] <Myrtti> NEKO BUS!
[09:13] <directhex> so i can't just watch it
[09:13] <directhex> i did rip it though...
[09:14] <gord> i have the entire ghibli collection, complete! they are numbed by the publisher 1-16. until Arrietty which came out recently. which they gave the number "6". i already have a six, ruined everything
[09:14] <gord> need to print out my own fixed cover or something
[09:14] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:15] <bigcalm> What are the 2 characters to the left of Sen?
[09:16] <bigcalm> I'm struggling to place them
[09:16] <bigcalm> One of them is pointing
[09:21] <directhex> bigcalm, where's sen? i'm lost
[09:22] <directhex> aha, found her
[09:22] <directhex> no idea!
[09:23] <gord> bigcalm, the mouse and the fly? they are the giant heads transmogrified
[09:23] <meet> where can i find the .deb of softwares installed through software center
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> meet: /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> meet: why do you need them?
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> !xyproblem
[09:25] <meet> i want to install them on another computer
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> !xy
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> meet: So use the software center!
[09:26] <meet> i got a very slow internet connection. so it takes a lot of time to dowload
[09:27] <meet> so i was planning to install the .deb using synaptic by which i guess only the dependencies will be needed to be downloaded
[09:27] <popey> meet: install squid-deb-proxy on one, and squid-deb-proxy-client on all
[09:27] <popey> it will then cache them
[09:27] <bigcalm> gord: no, the 2 people all in grey and wearing masks
[09:27] <meet> popey i did not get it
[09:28] <popey> meet: did not get what?
[09:28] <meet> "it will then cache them"
[09:28] <gord> oh they drew her twice
[09:28] <bigcalm> gord: Sen is riding Haku
[09:28] <popey> squid-deb-proxy is a package you install on one of your machines, it acts as a proxy server which is autodiscovered by apt / software centre etc
[09:29] <bigcalm> popey: work are going to pay for ram and hard drives :D
[09:29] <popey> on every machine install squid-deb-proxy-client and they will then use the proxy. thats it
[09:29] <popey> when you install apps on any machine it goes through the proxy which stores them and then hands them out to other machines when they ask for them
[09:29] <popey> thus reducing your internet usage
[09:30] <meet> oh. got the general idea. is squid easy to use?
[09:30] <popey> there is no "use"
[09:30] <popey> you just install those packages and forget
[09:30] <popey> the is no additional stuff you need to do at all
[09:30] <meet> because first of all i will have to setup a network between ubuntu and lubuntu(which i am planning to install)
[09:31] <popey> yeah, they need to be on the same network
[09:31] <sw> popey: nice tip!
[09:31]  * sw looks
[09:37] <dwatkins> heh, vmware fusion has an option called 'unity'
[09:39] <boncey> Hello, I have a grub problem with my Ubuntu server (10.04.4 LTS) - each reboot since the last kernel update just goes to the grub prompt
[09:39] <boncey> I've put more details here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/121008/server-boots-to-grub-prompt-after-reboot
[09:40] <meet> popey i just created a bootable usb for ubuntu. i will test drive ubuntu on a old machine. what all aspects should i check?
[09:43] <boncey> I'm guessing there might be something screwy in my grub.cfg that's telling it not to boot the first kernel list but I can't see what it might be
[09:44] <popey> meet: the things you're likely to use I guess ☺
[09:46] <bigcalm> Hail again. Such happy weather
[09:46] <meet>  popey: :) but any other technical aspects? which might not be visible instantly but may give problems afterwards
[09:46] <popey> meet: pass, just play with it till you break it
[09:46]  * bigcalm pulls his hoody up, despite being in his office
[09:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:47] <dwatkins> bigcalm: wanna swap? I'm sitting between two laptops, so I get hot air blasted into my face
[09:47] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon
[09:47] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[09:52] <bigcalm> dwatkins: you're alright ta ;)
[09:52] <dwatkins> hmmm, Kwik Fit have taken to calling me to offer me a service and MOT, but I doubt the car needs servicing.
[09:53] <dwatkins> I'm more concerned with my bicycle and whether I can run Ubuntu on it ;)
[09:53] <dwatkins> I'm also trying to run lubuntu, but it's either very slow, or simply isn't responding
[09:55] <boncey> I've been over the config files used to build grub.cfg and they're unchanged from the installed defaults as far as I can tell
[09:59] <dwatkins> boncey: I assume you're using grub2-update or something similar to install the changes. What are the actual symptoms, and can you manually boot the partition? Can you boot the second option?
[09:59] <dwatkins> oh sorry, you said it just goes to the prompt
[10:00] <boncey> dwatkins: I've run sudo update-grub after it boots (several times in fact)
[10:00] <boncey> dwatkins:  I can manually boot using the usual grub commands
[10:03] <dwatkins> boncey: do you have /grub on a separate partition?
[10:03] <dwatkins> sorry, /boot
[10:03] <boncey> dwatkins: Nope, all a single partition
[10:05] <dwatkins> There's an update-grub and an update-grub2, I always wondered if they're different.
[10:07] <boncey> update-grub indicates that it's writing grub.cfg and finds my kernel images so it certainly seems like the right thing
[10:07] <dwatkins> I assume the relevant files then get a new timestamp, too.
[10:08] <boncey> dwatkins: Will check now
[10:08] <boncey> dwatkins: Yes, timestamp of grub.matches from my last attempt yesterday
[10:09] <dwatkins> my machine appears to think it has an msdos partition: set root='(hd1,msdos1)'
[10:11] <dwatkins> aha, my partition ID is 7, NTFS ;)
[10:11] <dwatkins> boncey: how do you get to the console?
[10:11] <davmor2> morning all
[10:11] <boncey> dwatkins: I have a remote KVM hookup
[10:11] <boncey> It's in a data centre 100  miles away
[10:12] <dwatkins> boncey: ah ok, not a serial connection, you're essentially seeing what's on the VGA output, or are you using a BMC?
[10:12] <dwatkins> (some BMCs do remote display in software, although it's pretty close to remote VGA forwarding)
[10:19] <directhex> dwatkins, i think in context it means MS-DOS partition table (aka MBR) not the filetype in the partition
[10:20] <boncey> Bah, power cut - did I miss anything?
[10:20] <dwatkins> directhex: makes sense
[10:20] <dwatkins> boncey: I was wondering what kind of BMC or console redirection you're using
[10:21] <dwatkins> (just in case it's relevant to your grub problems)
[10:22] <boncey> dwatkins: It's a remote KVM from a company called Raritan
[10:22] <dwatkins> I *think* lubuntu is still booting, it's been reading from the ISO image for the last hour or so.
[10:22] <boncey> dwatkins: I don't know much more than that
[10:22] <dwatkins> boncey: does it take the physical VGA connector output and process it, or do something internally to the machine?
[10:22] <dwatkins> ah ok, no worries.
[10:23] <oimon> guys, if i click on an icon in the unity launcher, shouldn't it switch view to that window?
[10:23] <dwatkins> boncey: I think it shouldn't make any difference, this is from their website: "any hardware that supports standard PC keyboard and mouse interfaces, and standard PC video (VGA) can be used with Dominion KX II-101."
[10:23] <AlanBell> no, it switches to that "application" which raises all windows of that application whether or not you actually want it to.
[10:24] <oimon> AlanBell, doesn't do either for me
[10:24] <oimon> clicking on pidgin, does nothing
[10:24] <AlanBell> is it minimised?
[10:24] <popey> is it already on screen and visible?
[10:24] <boncey> dwatkins: It's a Dominion KX G1, PDF here if you want to know more: http://kvmswitchdirect.co.uk/PDFs/DKX-0H-E.pdf
[10:24] <oimon> no, AlanBell
[10:24] <oimon> no popey
[10:24] <oimon> on another workspace
[10:25] <popey> do you have any pidgin windows on this workspace?
[10:26] <dwatkins> boncey: yeah, looks like it takes the VGA signal and compresses it over IP
[10:26] <mungojerry> hmm seems to be a serious bug
[10:26] <mungojerry> i minimised my windows looking for pidgin other window
[10:27] <dwatkins>  grub ubuntu
[10:27] <dwatkins> oops
[10:27] <mungojerry> then couldn't switch back to xchat
[10:27] <popey> mungojerry: what version of ubuntu?
[10:27] <mungojerry> unity launcher or alt-tab would not display my xchat chatting window
[10:27] <mungojerry> 12.04
[10:27] <popey> have you updated today?
[10:27] <mungojerry> alt-tab would bot choose ubuntu either
[10:28] <mungojerry> popey, woops, i installed from usb, but it seems not to have installed updates during installation
[10:28] <mungojerry> back in a bit :P
[10:29] <mungojerry> silly boy
[10:32] <mungojerry> is there a tweak that enables dodge, or has that code been removed from unity?
[10:32] <popey> the latter
[10:33] <mungojerry> :(
[10:33] <popey> meh
[10:34] <popey> bug 930148 for lengthy bikeshedding
[10:36] <ali1234> far too simple and obvious
[10:38] <ali1234> dodge is actually really pointless
[10:38] <ali1234> just hide it always
[10:39] <mungojerry> many people including myself prefer dodge as their favourite
[10:40] <mungojerry> or intellihide as docky calls it
[10:40] <MooDoo> why are bloomin motorbikes so heavy.grrrr
[10:41] <mungojerry> heavy motorbikes are heavy
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's called an engine
[10:41] <MooDoo> mungojerry: especially when you have to push one for a mile and a bit
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: bloomin thing
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: you want a push bike much lighter :D
[10:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah but that can't go 80 :D
[10:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: you've not seen the ones with surf board sails then have you :D
[10:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: maybe i'll look into that as they don't need petrol, apparently motorbikes do, who knew?
[10:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: Have you thought about a tatoo on your hand that says check petrol?
[10:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: thinking about it
[10:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: more like one that says d*** head
[10:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm pretty sure you missed and a then, "more like one of those days 'a'head" :D
[10:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm a silly, un happy bunny....lol
[10:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: on a plus side (well at least for us) if this is the start of the day and it tends to go down from there I can't wait to find out what happens for the rest of the day
[10:47] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're a lovely man, what people say about you is so true :p
[10:48] <czajkowski> *grin*
[10:48] <MooDoo> shush czajkowski don't say a word ;)
[10:48] <davmor2> haha
[10:50] <oimon> popey, i think the updates fixed my issue, thanks
[10:50] <popey> np
[10:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski right that's it i'm sulking and not going to oggcamp and buying you a beer
[10:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's fine I don't drink beer :P
[10:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh always the last word.....:p
[10:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: are you going to oggcamp by the way?
[10:53] <bigcalm> Still waiting for accommodation details
[10:54] <czajkowski> bigcalm: patience :)
[10:54] <MooDoo> :D
[10:54] <czajkowski> if you don't know nobody knows so you're safe :)
[10:55] <bigcalm> Hayley and I have a 4 day weekend booked so we can enjoy some of Liverpool as well. Need to make sure we get somewhere nice to stay :)
[10:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: just take you're own box for the doorway and you're set surely?
[10:56] <MooDoo> it's in my diary so that i actually go, i think i owe people beer and it's about time i paid up
[10:56] <czajkowski> I'll just need a translator for the weekend cannot understand that accent
[10:57] <MooDoo> czajkowski: no one does, so you'll be ok
[10:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: de Liiiiiiverpooooooooool axcent es grrrrrrrreat, I don't know what's wrong with you :P
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: eh? eh? eh?  you fytin?
[11:01] <JohnRobert> anyone know if the cambridge lug is dead?
[11:01] <JohnRobert> seems pretty dead to me
[11:02] <oimon> woops i ran unity --reset and lost my settings - how to disable the launcher on the 2nd screen?
[11:02] <oimon> ah, fixed it
[11:05] <AlanBell> in the display settings now, it is quite nice
[11:05] <AlanBell> except you can't have it on the right on the right screen which would be nicer
[11:05] <dwatkins> lubuntu runs a lot better with 512 MB compared to 128 MB... who knew? ;)
[11:06] <dwatkins> (I gave up waiting for X to start after 2 hours)
[11:06] <AlanBell> all the code is there to have the launcher on the right, if you have a RTL language then it goes on the right
[11:17] <oimon> OK one more unity question...can i get unity integration for pidgin so that it shows the number of new messages like the thunderbird icon on the launcher?
[11:22] <zleap> hello
[11:22] <sw> oimon: Preferences -> Interface -> System Tray Icon -> Show system tray icon -> 'Always'
[11:23] <sw> oimon: you might need to do '$ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['all']"' after
[11:23] <oimon> sw, thanks but that's not what i meant
[11:23] <oimon> i meant unity launcher integration
[11:24] <oimon> so that it shows the number of received messages actually on top of the pidgin icon on the launcher
[11:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nyo jus' sayin' eh?eh?eh?
[11:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: :)
[11:25] <sw> oimon: '$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jfi/pidgin && sudo apt-get install pidgin-libnotify'
[11:25] <sw> oimon: first result on Google: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/how-to-display-unread-pidgin-count-on-unity-launcher/
[12:02] <MooDoo> hi all, can you recommend a decent tablet to get the misses for her birthday not IPAD though
[12:04] <daubers> MooDoo: http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=482&g2_serialNumber=6 <- quite nice
[12:04] <MooDoo> smart ass
[12:05] <boncey> dwatkins: I'm going to try adding a dummy entry to the grub menu (in /etc/grub.d/40_custom) just to see if it's updating the grub.cfg correctly
[12:05] <daubers> MooDoo: These have cool monsters! http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/345626683/antique_stone_tablet.jpg
[12:07] <MooDoo> oh for goodness sake :p
[12:14]  * justso twiddles his thumbs
[12:19] <dwatkins> boncey: good call
[12:19] <boncey> dwatkins: Success! It boots
[12:20] <dwatkins> hooray
[12:20] <boncey> dwatkins: I followed the tip here http://serverfault.com/questions/243343/headless-ubuntu-server-machine-sometimes-stuck-at-grub-menu
[12:20] <boncey> Which seems to be good advice for headless servers anyway
[12:21] <dwatkins> aha, didn't realise it disabled its own timeout
[12:21] <boncey> Yeah, pretty stupid
[12:21] <dwatkins> yeah, I'd prefer my headless machine not to get stuck at grub
[12:22] <boncey> Considering its a server install
[12:22] <boncey> Going to reboot again to be sure
[12:27] <boncey> Yup, problem solved
[12:27] <boncey> Thanks for help and advice, got me thinking in the right areas
[12:31] <AlanBell> MooDoo: I want the transformer prime, but I am waiting for the new version with the high resolution screen
[12:33] <popey> interesting that the new one isn't tegra but omap
[12:34] <dwatkins> boncey: excellent
[12:34] <AlanBell> popey: S4 Krait
[12:34] <AlanBell> is that going to be any good? dual core, but faster than the quad core tegra
[12:36] <popey> oh ☹
[12:37] <AlanBell> is that bad?
[12:38] <popey> *shrug*
[12:38] <popey> I'd be surprised if it was faster than tegra 3
[12:38] <directhex> isn't tegra really backwards? like missing any useful NEON stuff or something?
[12:39] <directhex> because you're meant to use the gpu, not floating point numbers
[12:39] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_%28system_on_chip%29
[12:40] <popey> http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-infinity/features/
[12:40] <popey> says it does have tegra3
[12:40] <AlanBell> comes in two variants, one with tegra3, one with Krait
[12:40] <popey> ah
[12:40] <popey> thats mental
[12:40] <popey> uber fragmentation
[12:41] <popey> choice i susppose is good ⍨
[12:41] <popey> never seen an ipad user ask what SoC is in the device ☺
[12:41] <AlanBell> well it isn't out yet
[12:41] <AlanBell> and most users won't care what SoC is in the device, it will just run Android
[12:42] <AlanBell> I want to put Ubuntu on it obviously
[12:43] <directhex> popey, that's because apple advertise their SoC up front.
[12:43] <directhex> big section on http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/features/
[12:47] <AlanBell> http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/mwc-2012-asus-unveils-the-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700t-packs-tegra-3-or-snapdragon-s4-under-a-1920x1200-super-ips-display/
[12:48] <AlanBell> do I care about LTE?
[12:49] <gord> my 1ghz nexus one still seems to get the job done well enough, not convinced by this suping up of cpus in phones
[12:50] <AlanBell> yeah, it is pointless, which is why ubuntu for android is a good idea
[12:50] <AlanBell> the OEMs need a reason to explain why they are sticking quad core CPUs in phones so that you throw away the old and busted and buy the new hotness
[12:52] <AlanBell> not sure I want cellular in a tablet at all really, maybe the tegra3 without LTE is the option to go for if they actually sell them as options (I suspect they will drop one variant)
[12:53] <shauno> I'd love cellular in tablet, if roaming data in the EU wasn't such a *cough*
[12:54] <AlanBell> I am quite happy with wireless tethering to my phone
[13:23] <justso> I'm having difficulty sending files to my windows network ... anyone have ideas what could be wrong ?
[13:24] <justso> I can send from this machine when booted in windows
[13:24] <justso> (being a noob sucks)
[13:28] <dwatkins> 'send' in what sense, justso?
[13:29] <bigcalm> What make of harddrive do people here like and what do you avoid?
[13:29] <justso> I cannot send a file from ubuntu into a windows shared folder which has permissions set to alter or modify contents
[13:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: I like the one that comes in the machine I buy :P
[13:30] <bigcalm> Next!
[13:30] <davmor2> justso: do you see the folder from the Ubuntu box?
[13:31] <bigcalm> This is for a RAID 1
[13:31] <justso> yes I can pull files from the shared folder but not send any back ... I just get "permission denied"
[13:33] <dwatkins> justso: are you logging on as guest or as a user?
[13:33] <justso> as a user
[13:34] <dwatkins> I assume that user has rights both to the share and the relevant directories, justso
[13:35] <justso> ohhh forget it I just tried again and it worked perfectly lol
[13:35] <justso> quirky
[13:47] <justso> I figured it out dwatkins ... it was just a bad filename that windows presumably couldnt handle
[13:48] <justso> thanks for the help
[13:52] <ali1234> hmm
[13:54] <dwatkins> aha I see, justso
[14:29] <bigcalm> Is it possible to move an existing 1 hdd install over to a RAID 1 setup?
[14:31] <popey> kinda
[14:31] <bigcalm> Would I be better off reinstalling once I have the 2 drives?
[14:31] <popey> chuck second disk in, make it a raid 1 with one missing disk, copy over, then add the first disk in as the second disk in the array
[14:31] <popey> probably quicker to reinstall yeah
[14:31] <popey> depends on whats on it
[14:32] <popey> I have done this migration myself
[14:32]  * popey looks for his notes
[14:32] <bigcalm> Current drive is going to be sitting on a shelf as a last choice backup
[14:34] <JohnRobert> has anyone actually got a raspberry pi yet?
[14:34] <oimon> upgraded my work PC to 12.04 today
[14:35] <popey> bigcalm: http://pastebin.com/z5AE8DyR
[14:35] <JohnRobert> does flash video playing fullscreen still allow the screensaver to come on in ubuntu?
[14:35] <popey> pastebinned from my old wiki
[14:35] <JohnRobert> shudder
[14:35] <JohnRobert> :p
[14:36] <popey> JohnRobert: RS have sent out a couple of beta boards
[14:36] <popey> mine isn't due to arrive till next week
[14:36] <JohnRobert> heh
[14:37] <JohnRobert> yeah my brother in law ordered one, then got vexed with the slowness
[14:37] <JohnRobert> I was going to order one but saw there was a 56 day wait or something like that
[14:37] <popey> tempted to order a pandaboard ES and use that to build an ubuntu image (slowly) for raspberry pi
[14:38] <bigcalm> popey: you're right. Might be simpler/easier to do a fresh install :)
[14:38] <bigcalm> Which is fine
[14:38] <JohnRobert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/120896
[14:38] <JohnRobert> :
[14:38] <JohnRobert> :/
[14:38] <JohnRobert> ugh
[14:45] <oimon> any pidgin users in 12.04 experience very slow scrolling?
[14:46] <davmor2> oimon: nope sorry I use empathy and xchat
[14:46] <popey> empathy and irssi here
[14:48] <davmor2> I was tempted to look at empathy for irc as it's improved but during tests I found out that improved mean you didn't cry from pounding your skull against the table so much
[14:48] <oimon> hmm, maybe it's just the general performance of the system after a couple of hours
[14:48] <oimon> nippy when you boot, but gets sluggish later
[14:49] <davmor2> oimon: run top or htop and check out what's using memory
[14:49] <oimon> animations and switching no longer smooth
[14:49] <oimon> cpu and mem are OK
[14:50] <AlanBell> popey: why would the pandaboard ES be the thing to build on?
[14:50] <popey> as opposed to?
[14:50] <AlanBell> the raspberry pi itself, or cross compile from an intel box
[14:51] <popey> pandaboard is easier to get hold of
[14:51] <AlanBell> this may be a daft question
[14:51] <popey> and faster
[14:51] <popey> AIUI
[14:51] <oracology> AlanBell: i don't know much about these things, but i would suspect it would be hella faster to cross-compile on something beefy?
[14:51] <popey> which when compiling a lot of stuff would matter
[14:53] <AlanBell> this is probably a sensible thing to do on amazon EC2
[14:55] <directhex> ikonia, success!
[14:57] <directhex> ikonia, you paid for special delivery on the 7th? it's only shown up today
[15:01] <oimon> hmm global menu fails on dual monitors :-\
[15:01] <popey> fails how?
[15:02] <bigcalm> I should try my laptop with a 2nd monitor
[15:04] <oimon> terminal maximised on screen1 , thunderbird maximised on screen 2, but title bar shows thunderbird on both monitors. so if you want to click to focus, you have to click somewhere in the window which is sometimes undesirable (rahter than the title bar)
[15:05] <oimon> when it shows one window title across 2 screens, it's incorrect
[15:05] <oimon> if you have a maximised app on each screen
[15:08] <oimon> however, in other news, a unity 2d bug has just been fixed #940590 which alows me to revert to gnome classic + 2d launcher - hence no global menu or LH buttons
[15:08] <oimon> bug 940590
[15:39] <diplo> Anyone know the lp command to check to see if a queue exists or not within cups /
[15:39] <diplo> ?
[15:41] <oimon> lpstat -s ?
[15:41] <diplo> just found lpstat -v
[15:41] <diplo> Basically I want to add it to my bash script to check it exists before trying to delete it
[15:41] <diplo> -s lits all it seems
[15:43]  * bigcalm returns with tea and poptarts
[15:44] <diplo> lists*
[15:55] <diplo>  lpstat -v $queuename 2>&1
[15:55] <diplo>   if [[ $? -eq 0 ]]; then
[15:55] <diplo> That'll do :)
[15:57] <bigcalm> then that'll do?
[15:59] <bigcalm> Please stop me from looking at mobile phone reviews
[15:59] <bigcalm> The handset I probably want isn't out yet
[15:59] <diplo> S3?
[15:59] <bigcalm> I will be strong and not just get the htc one x
[15:59] <bigcalm> diplo: yes
[15:59] <diplo> heh, I want it but cannot afford it
[16:00] <diplo> So will stay with my woefully underpowered wildfire
[16:00] <bigcalm> How do you know that? It isn't out yet
[16:00] <diplo> Until I either have a large payout or find a rich girlfriend
[16:00] <diplo> Because if it's > £50 I can't afford it!
[16:00] <diplo> If I want my kids to eat etc
[16:00] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:00] <bigcalm> Eating is for chumps!
[16:01] <diplo> I don't eat, kids eat more than me.. why I've lost 5/6 stone :)
[16:01] <bigcalm> I've just spent 347 quid on 2 new tyres. I shouldn't even be looking at new things for a few months yet
[16:01] <bigcalm> Wow
[16:01] <bigcalm> One way to diet
[16:01] <diplo> heh, I need 4 tyres for my car :(
[16:01] <diplo> 2 desperatly, 2 close
[16:02] <bigcalm> Front 2 were 1.6mm and 2mm. I had no choice
[16:04] <diplo> Oooh home time
[16:04] <diplo> Catch you laters
[16:04] <bigcalm> Another hour to go yet, and I'm already at home
[16:04] <bigcalm> There is no escaping work :(
[16:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: that is ridiculous
[16:10] <bigcalm> Isn't it just?
[16:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: do you know the dimensions for them?
[16:12] <bigcalm> For what?
[16:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: the tyres
[16:13] <bigcalm> I've already spent the money, so little point looking them up :)
[16:13] <bigcalm> 215/55R17
[16:14] <bigcalm> They are large and there's little choice
[16:14] <AlanBell> I need some new tyres, thinking of getting a set of alloy wheels
[16:15]  * popey mentions http://www.stemnorthofscotland.com/events/highland-innovation-event.html
[16:15] <popey> for the scotts
[16:15] <AlanBell> fed up of hub caps
[16:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: there's a reason I'm asking the is a likelihood that the 308sw will have similar sized wheels is what I'm thinking
[16:15] <bigcalm> AlanBell: fed up of losing them?
[16:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: oh, I see :)
[16:16] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yeah, I have nasty cheap halfords ones now, the mercedes hub caps were really expensive to replace
[16:18] <bigcalm> Pirelli 306.71 + balancing 10 + disposal 3.29 + wheel alignment 27 + vat
[16:19] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I've managed to scuff my alloys, doesn't show that much but will be expensive to fix
[16:19] <bigcalm> Hub caps can be replaced
[16:20] <popey> mine are properly scuffed up
[16:20] <popey> i dont care
[16:20] <bigcalm> But alloys are meant to be lighter and thus save you fuel
[16:20] <AlanBell> I am not bothered about scuffs
[16:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: ouch you got charged for balancing and disposal, that'll be the price hike dude, 91.95 each tyre + 18 alignment + vat here and that is at ATS, Martini Tyres would be cheaper still
[16:30] <gordonjcp> I'm just glad I no longer need W-rated tyres
[16:31] <gordonjcp> the price of those resulted in some very non-CoC-compliant language
[16:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: you are looking at different tyres if they are 91.95 each. And this was at ATS as well
[16:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: this is where I'm looking http://shop.atseuromaster.co.uk/eshop/en_GB/searchByTyreByUrl/section/215/aspectRatio/55/rimDiameter/17/xl/false/rf/false
[16:34] <bigcalm> I see
[16:35] <bigcalm> I wouldn't go for budgets myself
[16:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: no but even the Continentals are only 130
[16:35] <popey> hmm, i need to use 11.04 for some hardware
[16:36]  * popey installs dualboot
[16:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: http://shop.atseuromaster.co.uk/eshop/en_GB/products/pirelli/p7/215-55-17-94-W-1-4IB-1261/mode/beforebuyingsequence/currentPosition/16
[16:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: I went with what was in stock when I went this lunch time
[16:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: this is the advantage I have, I can walk over the road to ATS or Martini tyres
[16:39] <bigcalm> Yay, Hayley home!
[16:45] <davmor2> Hayley slap bigcalm
[16:53] <bigcalm> This is one of those times when I'm glad that she isn't on IRC
[16:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah cause tyres are always a fiver right ;)
[17:14] <bigcalm> No, I was referring to you telling her to slap me
[17:17] <directhex> bigcalm, i invested in michelin energy savers. they decrease your mpg on a hybrid... but they're good for 20-30k miles easy
[17:19] <gordonjcp> directhex: they probably do improve your braking distance though
[17:20] <gordonjcp> directhex: the ones that Priuses come with as stock *do* have very low rolling resistance, but are a bit like driving on teflon O-rings
[17:21] <directhex> gordonjcp, they changed the default tyre from when i got it to now
[17:22] <directhex> gordonjcp, fronts haven't been stock for a while though, had a blowout so had to get whatever i could at short notice. yokohama c.drive 2
[17:22] <directhex> well regarded tyre in every area except durability where they get 1/10 ratings
[17:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: you know you want it, you know you need it and it save czajkowski stretching to do it ;)
[17:40] <ali1234> freecell - they need to disassemble the code and figure out why only one hand is unwinnable
[17:41] <ali1234> i suspect that if the hands were totally random then most of them would be unwinnable and therefore the game would suck
[17:41] <ali1234> so there must be an algorithm that builds up the hand with reversed legal moves only, at random
[17:42] <ali1234> kind of like how they make sudoku puzzles
[17:42] <ali1234> but that would give 100% winnable
[17:42] <ali1234> so then as an easter egg, programmer put in one unwinnable hand, and then put in that seemingly throw away line in the help, as a joke
[17:51] <popey> hmmm
[17:52] <popey> laptop -> displayport -> hdmi cable -> black magic intensity pro capture card -> http://popey.com/~alan/laptop.tga  (8MB, sorry)
[17:52] <popey> laptop -> Printscreen button -> http://popey.com/~alan/laptop.png
[17:52] <ali1234> -> magical goblins?
[17:52] <popey> note the horrid colour on the tga file
[17:52] <popey> i have switched antialiasing from rgba to greyscale which improves it a bit
[17:53] <popey> but it's all very over saturated
[17:53] <ali1234> yeah that's subpixel antialiasing
[17:53] <ali1234> it does not look over saturated to me
[17:53] <popey> the tga looks brighter
[17:54] <ali1234> the tga looks identical to my desktop
[17:54] <ali1234> except for the fringes
[17:54] <popey> what about the alternate lines of emails?
[17:54] <popey> on the png it's white/grey alternate emails
[17:54] <popey> tga it's all white
[17:54] <ali1234> hmm
[17:55] <popey> i have them both open in image viewer, alt-tabbing between
[17:55] <popey> difference is noticable
[17:55] <ali1234> the png is really blurry
[17:56]  * popey tries again with anti-aliasing turned off competely
[17:56] <popey> rather than greyscale
[17:56] <ali1234> i dont think that is why
[17:56] <ali1234> is that an nvidia machine?
[17:56] <popey> intel
[17:56] <popey> my x220
[17:57] <ali1234> what comes out the HDMI port is not 1:1 what is in the framebuffer
[17:57] <ali1234> nvidia has all kinds of gamma correction controls
[17:57] <ali1234> i bet intel does too
[17:59] <popey> hah, disabling anti-aliasing killed gnome-settings-daemon
[17:59] <ali1234> does that box has linux drivers yet?
[18:00] <popey> the intensity pro?
[18:00] <popey> yes
[18:00] <popey> I installed 11.04 to run their software
[18:00] <ali1234> cool. i better get one then
[18:03] <popey> ali1234: would this mean xorg.conf fiddles? or just xgamma ?
[18:05] <ali1234> on nvidia it means loading up nvidia-settings *shrug*
[18:05] <ali1234> and then everyone wonders why nvidia won't support xorg standards...
[18:15] <dogmatic69> I am using remmina remote desktop to windows vista pc, anyone know how to make the scroll wheel work?
[18:15] <dogmatic69> I think it is bound to scrolling the screen when it is too big or something, but the scree size is good and I would like to scroll the browser / document on the remote pc
[19:07] <ali1234> what happened to the front page of the dash with the 4 big icons?
[19:08] <popey> removed
[19:08] <ali1234> ok. well, i never liked it anyway tbh
[19:08] <ali1234> you know the "wait for search" thing
[19:08] <popey> bug 885738
[19:08] <ali1234> well, now it remembers your last search
[19:09] <ali1234> if you click the bfb and don't type anything you can't immediately press enter
[19:09] <ali1234> and because there is no search to complete, you can't press enter at all
[19:09] <ali1234> is this reported?
[19:09] <popey> not that I'm aware
[19:09] <ali1234> new bug report or tack it on the old one?
[19:10] <ali1234> i'll do a new one
[19:10] <ali1234> this is just with main unity, not the ppa
[19:10] <popey> do you want to press enter because the first icon is what you want?
[19:10] <ali1234> yes
[19:10] <popey> ok
[19:10] <popey> yeah, you have to press down down enter
[19:10] <popey> or mouse
[19:11] <ali1234> istr  "just type the first few letters and press enter, you don't have to wait, it's so easy and fast"
[19:11] <ali1234> what happened to that one?
[19:12] <popey> gimmie an example?
[19:13] <popey> i think i know what you're saying
[19:13] <ali1234> an example?
[19:13] <popey> dash -> ima (image viewer) -> enter
[19:13] <popey> dont wait for search to finish
[19:13] <ali1234> ah
[19:13] <ali1234> no
[19:13] <ali1234> you do dash -> search for program -> wait -> enter (this works)
[19:13] <ali1234> then you do dash -> (search is saved) -> press enter -> nothing happens
[19:13] <bigcalm> If you don't wait, it doesn't load the 1st result :(
[19:14] <ali1234> and in the second part, you can wait as long as you want
[19:14] <ali1234> since it's already cached the search, it never "completes" so enter is blocked forever
[19:14] <popey> oh, i see
[19:14] <popey> yes, you're right
[19:15] <popey> file it I'll confirm it
[19:15] <bigcalm> There are chickens in the castle
[19:15] <popey> uhoh
[19:16] <popey> bigcalm: are you saying same as ali1234 or a different thing?
[19:16] <bigcalm> popey: I came in on part of a convo without reading up :)
[19:16] <popey> heh
[19:17] <bigcalm> In my expereince so far (not on the machine atm though), typing sky[enter] does nothing. I have to wait a moment and then try again
[19:17] <popey> thats fixed
[19:17] <popey> i filed that
[19:17] <popey> just tested and it works
[19:18] <bigcalm> There are dead chickens in the coop, no eggs
[19:18] <popey> i do appreciate these bug discussions!
[19:18] <ali1234> bug 980184
[19:19] <ali1234> feel free to try to explain it better :)
[19:20] <popey> confirmed
[19:21] <popey> i am miles from the castle
[19:21] <popey> need to walk back
[19:23] <czajkowski> I take it this is minecraft and popey isn't lost in woods far away from some remote castle with just his iphone to get him home
[19:28] <gord> i wouldn't put it past popey
[19:34] <directhex> ikonia, ping
[19:40] <joos> hello
[19:46] <justso> I can't seem to adjust the mouse double click time in ubuntu 11.10 ... is this a bug ?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> justso: not even in the accessibility bits?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> justso: also.. in the mouse settings I have a "doubleclick" option (12.04)
[19:49] <justso> in the mouse setting I have set it to be tap.......tap but it still needs to be t,tap in normal use
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> tap? you mean touchpad double click?
[19:51] <justso> yeah
[19:52] <justso> it has to be almost impossibly quick to get it to work
[19:53] <justso> I must be getting old
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> touchpad is on its own tab
[19:54] <justso> ok i will look
[19:57] <justso> nothing for double click timeout in there
[19:57] <sorin_> trebile's bune?
[19:57] <sorin_> mere fain?
[19:58] <justso> I assumed mouse settings would be effective for that
[20:01]  * justso shrugs
[20:01] <ali1234> plesk sucks :(
[20:05] <directhex> computers suck
[20:05] <directhex> i should have become a plumber
[20:06] <justso> hmm double click problem seems to be with reposition or resize windows
[20:07] <justso> I guess I can live with it
[20:51] <daftykins> arsen: i'm in London this weekend
[20:51] <daftykins> :D
[20:51] <daftykins> well, right now :> 'til Sunday afty probly
[20:51] <daftykins> directhex: but you kinda are when you're networking ;)
[20:52] <daftykins> it's just funny water
[20:52] <directhex> snuh?
[20:52] <daftykins> plumbing
[20:56] <arsen> orly
[20:56] <arsen> where at?
[20:56] <arsen> im off to a funeral tomoz :/
[20:56] <daftykins> D:
[20:56] <daftykins> Chelsea Harbour
[20:57] <daftykins> on ze Thames
[20:57] <directhex> daftykins: yeah, but a toilet backed up with shit versus freeswitch randomly dropping packets... easy choice
[20:57] <daftykins> =]
[20:58] <bigcalm> !ohmy | directhex
[20:58] <directhex> oh yeah
[20:58] <bigcalm> :)
[20:58] <gordonjcp> "ohmy" sounds like a rude word in Gaelic
[20:58] <directhex> sorry, flashback to the old days on #hexus.net
[20:58] <gordonjcp> this is funnier than you can possibly imagine
[20:59] <directhex> daftykins and arsen and me
[21:00] <directhex> together in perfect harmony
[21:00] <daftykins> ;]
[21:00] <daftykins> directhex: wish i could say i've improved.. ;)
[21:00] <daftykins> hmm right speaker channel on his home cinema setup r no workeh
[21:00] <daftykins> no wonder, speaker is lacking a pole!
[21:04] <directhex> would have been around the time i was writing guides to debian, so... 2004?
[21:04] <arsen> hi what
[21:04] <daftykins> you know, that really helped me for Uni
[21:04] <arsen> what have i signed up for
[21:05] <arsen> daftykins
[21:05] <arsen> thats where i live
[21:05] <arsen> nub
[21:05] <arsen> :p
[21:05] <daftykins> wut?
[21:05] <daftykins> in the harbour?
[21:06] <daftykins> arsen: i don't follow :P
[21:06] <directhex> daftykins: omg rereading it now. OOo 1.1.1 screenshot ^_^
[21:06] <directhex> daftykins: my writing style is still excellent, even if the content is obsolete :3
[21:08] <daftykins> directhex: hahaha
[21:08] <arsen> harbour or imperial wharf side?
[21:09] <daftykins> arsen: the square looking building directly north of the harbour water
[21:09] <daftykins> if you look at google maps sat view :>
[21:09] <daftykins> that's his pad
[21:09] <daftykins> though i'm lacking in the convenient magnetic card for the front doors atm
[21:09] <daftykins> -in
[21:11] <directhex> hah debian sarge
[21:11] <directhex> a release candidate thereof
[21:12] <daftykins> speaker fixed \o/
[21:15] <arsen> i live at imperial wharf
[21:15] <arsen> sorry, gaming so :P
[21:15] <directhex> BLAST FROM THE PAST http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a2/images/installed12.png
[21:15]  * justso wishes he could fix things
[21:16] <justso> the lottery would be a good start
[21:16] <daftykins> arsen: epic, wandering distance then ^_^
[21:17] <arsen> yes
[21:17] <arsen> errr
[21:17] <arsen> shit
[21:17] <arsen> PICK A BAD NIGHT
[21:17] <daftykins> ah i'm pretty knackered today :> up to much fri/sat?
[21:18] <arsen> at afternoon beers?
[21:18] <arsen> sat*
[21:18] <bigcalm> !ohmy | arsen
[21:18] <lubotu3`> arsen: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.
[21:18] <daftykins> arsen: fo sho
[21:18] <daftykins> i vote a pub with ale and pool
[21:19] <directhex> ;o replacing OSS with ALSA? this guide is OLD!
[21:19] <arsen> sorreh, im doing 50 things at once and not paying attn to where im doin ze chattin :)
[21:19] <arsen> yeah, theres ales at the fullers tbh, pool maybe more difficult here- theres MissQ's at earls ct
[21:19] <bigcalm> :)
[21:22] <daftykins> arsen: kewl
[21:26] <daftykins> arsen: PM for mah #
[21:33] <popey> hmm
[22:25] <directhex> i should PLAY A GAME ZOMG
[22:28] <hamitron> directhex, get back to work ;)
[22:29] <directhex> no. i'm sick of work.
[22:29] <hamitron> :-o
[22:29] <hamitron> :/
[22:30] <directhex> staying awake long enough to rip these blu-rays
[22:30] <hamitron> why go to the expense of blu-ray, to just rip them?
[22:30] <hamitron> :|
[22:31]  * hamitron is a cheap ass dvd user
[22:31] <directhex> hamitron: not transcoding. keeping video in original format
[22:31] <hamitron> oh
[22:31] <hamitron> :)
[22:31] <directhex> hamitron: audio i'm tossing away the extra channels in 7.1 since i only have 5.1
[22:31] <hamitron> if ONLY I had that much hdd space
[22:32] <directhex> hamitron: new 3T disk arrived today
[22:32] <hamitron> ah
[22:32] <directhex> hamitron: old 2T disk failed
[22:32] <hamitron> so "testing" the new one properly? ;)
[22:32] <directhex> hamitron: restoring lost data.
[22:32] <hamitron> :/
[22:32] <directhex> takes about 45 mins to rip a movie
[22:32] <hamitron> at least if it wasn't transcoded, less work
[22:32] <directhex> Tron_t00.mkv
[22:33] <hamitron> 1 less step, but you also wouldn't have fitted as much on the broken drive
[22:33] <hamitron> :/
[22:33] <directhex> hamitron: broken drive was mostly full. about 10% free
[22:33] <directhex> lost about 20 music tracks, 2 games, and 2 blu-ray rips
[22:34] <hamitron> that nearly filled 2TB?
[22:34] <hamitron> or just the stuff not backed up?
[22:35] <hamitron> well, have fun
[22:35] <hamitron> :)
[22:35] <hamitron> I gotta sort a mess here, so I can at least remember the colour of the carpet
[22:39] <directhex> hamitron: 200G of doctor who?
[22:39] <hamitron> meh
[22:39] <hamitron> that is starting to annoy me
[22:39] <hamitron> that or my brain is just getting old and tired
[22:41] <directhex> 200G covering doctors 1->7
[23:53] <ging> hamitron: you are talking too much
[23:54] <ging> all i se is your name
[23:54] <ging> oh wait it's mostly smilies
[23:54] <hamitron> me? :|
[23:55] <ging> no the other hamitron
[23:56] <hamitron> well, I'm the real hamitron
[23:56]  * hamitron spanks "the other" hamitron
[23:56] <directhex> *I'M* spartacus
[23:57] <hamitron> :)