=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [04:03] [Jono Bacon] Further Ubuntu Accomplishments Progress - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/04/12/further-ubuntu-accomplishments-progress/ [07:02] morning all === rhunwicks_ is now known as rhunwicks [07:39] hiya [07:49] o/ [07:50] \o [07:50] Morning [07:51] morning [07:52] Any woodworky types around? After recommendations on how to finish a laser cut thing I'm working on === GirlyGirl_ is now known as GirlyGirl [07:53] daubers: I used to own a furniture manufacturing company if that counts [07:53] dogmatic69: It does! [07:53] what you wanna know? [07:53] daubers: Gears! Lots and lots of gears. [07:53] dogmatic69: I've been told that beeswax is ok, but have no idea if that would work on laser cut ply or how to apply it :) [07:54] depending on your needs, give it a good sanding. smooth all the edges etc [07:55] beeswax / oil is way more effort than varnish, but in the long run less [07:55] More effort to apply, but less effort to look after? [07:58] ye, exactly [07:59] varnish, especially outside items will require sanding down and reapplying in time, using oil it is just a matter of rubbing more on now and again [07:59] what is the item? [07:59] It's a laptop stand :) [08:00] aloha [08:02] morning [08:02] o/ [08:02] Good morning peeps :) [08:03] dogmatic69: Was looking at something like http://www.briwax.co.uk/products/beeswax.html [08:04] daubers: something that should be fine. [08:06] I have not specifically used beeswax, but that has linseed oil also. One of the things I have been told / done for oiling stuff is every day for a week, every week for a month and then every month for a year. If you follow that you would never have to do anything again [08:06] Cool :) [08:21] G'mornin' all! :D [08:22] o/ [08:25] * daubers may need to pop out for more paracetamol [08:27] * dogmatic69 has a small pharmacy going [08:32] i have got a 10 yr old pc with winxp. was planning to install ubuntu 10.10 (as i experienced it to be less resource consuming.) but should i go with lubuntu ? [08:33] What spec is the machine, in terms of CPU speed and RAM, meet? Also, how much disk space do you have available? [08:34] i got 40 gb hard drive which is half filled i guess. 512mb ram. pentium 4 processor [08:34] What speed is the CPU? [08:34] 1.6 ghz i think [08:35] I'm running 10.04 on an Atom-based machine, it's hyperthreaded, so probably runs a bit better than your P4, but the core is 1.6 GHz and it's got a 16 GB root partition. It's got a gig of RAM, though, that might be the best and simplest thing to upgrade. [08:36] meet: 10.10 went out of support this week [08:36] Install 10.04 and you'll get a little bit of support [08:37] I'm not aware of a huge difference between 10.04 and 11.04 in terms of requirements, might actually be better to have a newer version. [08:37] i've got atoms on 12.04 that work well [08:37] not with 512MB RAM you don't :)( [08:37] I have two 900MHz celerons running 12.04 ☺ [08:37] meet: ultimately, you may end up spending more each year in electricity if you're running that P4 than if you bought an Atom-based system. [08:38] My old 1 GHz AMD-based system cost me over 200 pounds a year in power alone to run constantly [08:38] 160 Watts [08:38] I miss how quiet the Revo is. Wondering if I shall move the ProLiant to another part of the house and use Ethernet over Power. Maybe even the garage... [08:39] its not _that_ loud! [08:39] well, maybe the N40L is? [08:39] Humm [08:39] I don't have a sound meter to test [08:40] dogmatic69: Thanks for the advice :) Will take a trip to the diy shop this evening [08:40] yeah you want more than 512mb for 12.04 [08:41] apart from that, it should work fine [08:41] I'd show my phpsysinfo, meet, but it's largely unexciting, and the fact it says I have 20 MB RAM free is slightly misleading. [08:41] That reminds me, I should put munin back online. [08:42] popey: still haven't decided if I need to replace the 2gb with 8gb. What's your opinion [08:42] ? [08:44] * dwatkins ponders a Linksys router with the Tomato firmware [08:44] the thing is that pc is hardly used except by my mom. and she complains often of the sluggishness of the winxp. and i find no reason to upgrade the hardware. so for those lightweight, simplistic approach which is better? [08:45] meet: a new and very cheap machine will save you a lot of grief and money in the long run [08:45] bigcalm: i have one with 8GB, one with 1GB [08:46] meet: lubuntu [08:46] popey: how much of the 8gb is in use? [08:46] Dell's outlet website is a good place to look for a cheap barebones machine. [08:46] bigcalm: dunno, its just been rebooted, so not much [08:46] Ah [08:46] As has mine [08:47] but the thought of cheapest cheap ugraded using linux is bringing out the miser in me :D [08:47] Last thing that needs moving from the Revo are my parents' backups, then I can leave the ProLiant on 24/7 [08:47] meet: what kind of upgrade? imho, you probably ony need to upgrade the RAM. [08:49] it will still be slow [08:49] my mum has an Acer Aspire Revo 3600 as her only computer [08:49] yeah, I'm just thinking what's required to run Ubuntu as opposed to an ideal replacement [08:50] bare minimum would be 1 GB, I imagine. [08:51] dwatkins i think the motherboard wont support extra ram.. [08:52] aw shame [08:53] I keep quick-reading that line as "my mother won't support extra ram" [08:53] I think I need coffee [08:53] * dwatkins downloads lubuntu out of curiosity [09:02] "Minimum requirements for lubuntu are comparable to Pentium II or Celeron systems with a 128 Mb RAM configuration, which may yield a slow yet usable system with lubuntu." [09:02] I'm interested to see how well it performs if I give the virtual machine only 128 MB RAM. [09:06] Myrtti, you might appreciate as much as me http://i.imgur.com/ObdfG.jpg [09:07] oh wow [09:07] instant wallpaper material [09:09] Miyazaki++ [09:09] I don't recognise the biker lady in the camouflage overalls, but the rest looks familiar [09:09] That's an awesome pic, gord :) [09:10] \o/ [09:10] nor the ninjas [09:11] I have a magnetic paw Jiji :) [09:11] And a cuddly Totoro, sadly missing an eye :( [09:12] I'm not aware of the cat bus, looks a little strange. [09:12] then you should make My Neighbour Totoro the next movie you watch :) [09:13] Neko Bus? [09:13] Really [09:13] :D [09:13] mine's on region 1 [09:13] NEKO BUS! [09:13] so i can't just watch it [09:13] i did rip it though... [09:14] i have the entire ghibli collection, complete! they are numbed by the publisher 1-16. until Arrietty which came out recently. which they gave the number "6". i already have a six, ruined everything [09:14] need to print out my own fixed cover or something [09:14] Heh [09:15] What are the 2 characters to the left of Sen? [09:16] I'm struggling to place them [09:16] One of them is pointing [09:21] bigcalm, where's sen? i'm lost [09:22] aha, found her [09:22] no idea! [09:23] bigcalm, the mouse and the fly? they are the giant heads transmogrified [09:23] where can i find the .deb of softwares installed through software center [09:25] meet: /var/cache/apt/archives [09:25] meet: why do you need them? [09:25] !xyproblem [09:25] i want to install them on another computer [09:25] !xy [09:25] The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned. [09:26] meet: So use the software center! [09:26] i got a very slow internet connection. so it takes a lot of time to dowload [09:27] so i was planning to install the .deb using synaptic by which i guess only the dependencies will be needed to be downloaded [09:27] meet: install squid-deb-proxy on one, and squid-deb-proxy-client on all [09:27] it will then cache them [09:27] gord: no, the 2 people all in grey and wearing masks [09:27] popey i did not get it [09:28] meet: did not get what? [09:28] "it will then cache them" [09:28] oh they drew her twice [09:28] gord: Sen is riding Haku [09:28] squid-deb-proxy is a package you install on one of your machines, it acts as a proxy server which is autodiscovered by apt / software centre etc [09:29] popey: work are going to pay for ram and hard drives :D [09:29] on every machine install squid-deb-proxy-client and they will then use the proxy. thats it [09:29] when you install apps on any machine it goes through the proxy which stores them and then hands them out to other machines when they ask for them [09:29] thus reducing your internet usage [09:30] oh. got the general idea. is squid easy to use? [09:30] there is no "use" [09:30] you just install those packages and forget [09:30] the is no additional stuff you need to do at all [09:30] because first of all i will have to setup a network between ubuntu and lubuntu(which i am planning to install) [09:31] yeah, they need to be on the same network [09:31] popey: nice tip! [09:31] * sw looks [09:37] heh, vmware fusion has an option called 'unity' [09:39] Hello, I have a grub problem with my Ubuntu server (10.04.4 LTS) - each reboot since the last kernel update just goes to the grub prompt [09:39] I've put more details here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/121008/server-boots-to-grub-prompt-after-reboot [09:40] popey i just created a bootable usb for ubuntu. i will test drive ubuntu on a old machine. what all aspects should i check? [09:43] I'm guessing there might be something screwy in my grub.cfg that's telling it not to boot the first kernel list but I can't see what it might be [09:44] meet: the things you're likely to use I guess ☺ [09:46] Hail again. Such happy weather [09:46] popey: :) but any other technical aspects? which might not be visible instantly but may give problems afterwards [09:46] meet: pass, just play with it till you break it [09:46] * bigcalm pulls his hoody up, despite being in his office [09:47] good morning everyone. [09:47] bigcalm: wanna swap? I'm sitting between two laptops, so I get hot air blasted into my face [09:47] hiya brobostigon [09:47] hi dwatkins [09:52] dwatkins: you're alright ta ;) [09:52] hmmm, Kwik Fit have taken to calling me to offer me a service and MOT, but I doubt the car needs servicing. [09:53] I'm more concerned with my bicycle and whether I can run Ubuntu on it ;) [09:53] I'm also trying to run lubuntu, but it's either very slow, or simply isn't responding [09:55] I've been over the config files used to build grub.cfg and they're unchanged from the installed defaults as far as I can tell [09:59] boncey: I assume you're using grub2-update or something similar to install the changes. What are the actual symptoms, and can you manually boot the partition? Can you boot the second option? [09:59] oh sorry, you said it just goes to the prompt [10:00] dwatkins: I've run sudo update-grub after it boots (several times in fact) [10:00] dwatkins: I can manually boot using the usual grub commands [10:03] boncey: do you have /grub on a separate partition? [10:03] sorry, /boot [10:03] dwatkins: Nope, all a single partition [10:05] There's an update-grub and an update-grub2, I always wondered if they're different. [10:07] update-grub indicates that it's writing grub.cfg and finds my kernel images so it certainly seems like the right thing [10:07] I assume the relevant files then get a new timestamp, too. [10:08] dwatkins: Will check now [10:08] dwatkins: Yes, timestamp of grub.matches from my last attempt yesterday [10:09] my machine appears to think it has an msdos partition: set root='(hd1,msdos1)' [10:11] aha, my partition ID is 7, NTFS ;) [10:11] boncey: how do you get to the console? [10:11] morning all [10:11] dwatkins: I have a remote KVM hookup [10:11] It's in a data centre 100 miles away [10:12] boncey: ah ok, not a serial connection, you're essentially seeing what's on the VGA output, or are you using a BMC? [10:12] (some BMCs do remote display in software, although it's pretty close to remote VGA forwarding) [10:19] dwatkins, i think in context it means MS-DOS partition table (aka MBR) not the filetype in the partition [10:20] Bah, power cut - did I miss anything? [10:20] directhex: makes sense [10:20] boncey: I was wondering what kind of BMC or console redirection you're using [10:21] (just in case it's relevant to your grub problems) [10:22] dwatkins: It's a remote KVM from a company called Raritan [10:22] I *think* lubuntu is still booting, it's been reading from the ISO image for the last hour or so. [10:22] dwatkins: I don't know much more than that [10:22] boncey: does it take the physical VGA connector output and process it, or do something internally to the machine? [10:22] ah ok, no worries. [10:23] guys, if i click on an icon in the unity launcher, shouldn't it switch view to that window? [10:23] boncey: I think it shouldn't make any difference, this is from their website: "any hardware that supports standard PC keyboard and mouse interfaces, and standard PC video (VGA) can be used with Dominion KX II-101." [10:23] no, it switches to that "application" which raises all windows of that application whether or not you actually want it to. [10:24] AlanBell, doesn't do either for me [10:24] clicking on pidgin, does nothing [10:24] is it minimised? [10:24] is it already on screen and visible? [10:24] dwatkins: It's a Dominion KX G1, PDF here if you want to know more: http://kvmswitchdirect.co.uk/PDFs/DKX-0H-E.pdf [10:24] no, AlanBell [10:24] no popey [10:24] on another workspace [10:25] do you have any pidgin windows on this workspace? [10:26] boncey: yeah, looks like it takes the VGA signal and compresses it over IP [10:26] hmm seems to be a serious bug [10:26] i minimised my windows looking for pidgin other window [10:27] grub ubuntu [10:27] oops [10:27] then couldn't switch back to xchat [10:27] mungojerry: what version of ubuntu? [10:27] unity launcher or alt-tab would not display my xchat chatting window [10:27] 12.04 [10:27] have you updated today? [10:27] alt-tab would bot choose ubuntu either [10:28] popey, woops, i installed from usb, but it seems not to have installed updates during installation [10:28] back in a bit :P [10:29] silly boy [10:32] is there a tweak that enables dodge, or has that code been removed from unity? [10:32] the latter [10:33] :( [10:33] meh [10:34] bug 930148 for lengthy bikeshedding [10:34] Launchpad bug 930148 in unity (Ubuntu) "Dodge windows is down but what about making the launcher autohide only on maximised apps ?" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930148 [10:36] far too simple and obvious [10:38] dodge is actually really pointless [10:38] just hide it always [10:39] many people including myself prefer dodge as their favourite [10:40] or intellihide as docky calls it [10:40] why are bloomin motorbikes so heavy.grrrr [10:41] heavy motorbikes are heavy [10:41] MooDoo: it's called an engine [10:41] mungojerry: especially when you have to push one for a mile and a bit [10:41] davmor2: bloomin thing [10:41] MooDoo: you want a push bike much lighter :D [10:42] davmor2: yeah but that can't go 80 :D [10:42] MooDoo: you've not seen the ones with surf board sails then have you :D [10:43] davmor2: maybe i'll look into that as they don't need petrol, apparently motorbikes do, who knew? [10:44] MooDoo: Have you thought about a tatoo on your hand that says check petrol? [10:44] davmor2: thinking about it [10:44] davmor2: more like one that says d*** head [10:45] MooDoo: I'm pretty sure you missed and a then, "more like one of those days 'a'head" :D [10:46] davmor2: i'm a silly, un happy bunny....lol [10:47] MooDoo: on a plus side (well at least for us) if this is the start of the day and it tends to go down from there I can't wait to find out what happens for the rest of the day [10:47] davmor2: you're a lovely man, what people say about you is so true :p [10:48] *grin* [10:48] shush czajkowski don't say a word ;) [10:48] haha [10:50] popey, i think the updates fixed my issue, thanks [10:50] np [10:50] davmor2: czajkowski right that's it i'm sulking and not going to oggcamp and buying you a beer [10:52] MooDoo: that's fine I don't drink beer :P [10:52] davmor2: oh always the last word.....:p [10:52] davmor2: are you going to oggcamp by the way? [10:53] Still waiting for accommodation details [10:54] bigcalm: patience :) [10:54] :D [10:54] if you don't know nobody knows so you're safe :) [10:55] Hayley and I have a 4 day weekend booked so we can enjoy some of Liverpool as well. Need to make sure we get somewhere nice to stay :) [10:55] bigcalm: just take you're own box for the doorway and you're set surely? [10:56] it's in my diary so that i actually go, i think i owe people beer and it's about time i paid up [10:56] I'll just need a translator for the weekend cannot understand that accent [10:57] czajkowski: no one does, so you'll be ok [10:59] czajkowski: de Liiiiiiverpooooooooool axcent es grrrrrrrreat, I don't know what's wrong with you :P [11:00] davmor2: eh? eh? eh? you fytin? [11:01] anyone know if the cambridge lug is dead? [11:01] seems pretty dead to me [11:02] woops i ran unity --reset and lost my settings - how to disable the launcher on the 2nd screen? [11:02] ah, fixed it [11:05] in the display settings now, it is quite nice [11:05] except you can't have it on the right on the right screen which would be nicer [11:05] lubuntu runs a lot better with 512 MB compared to 128 MB... who knew? ;) [11:06] (I gave up waiting for X to start after 2 hours) [11:06] all the code is there to have the launcher on the right, if you have a RTL language then it goes on the right [11:17] OK one more unity question...can i get unity integration for pidgin so that it shows the number of new messages like the thunderbird icon on the launcher? [11:22] hello [11:22] oimon: Preferences -> Interface -> System Tray Icon -> Show system tray icon -> 'Always' === nothingspecial is now known as elfy3 [11:23] oimon: you might need to do '$ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['all']"' after [11:23] sw, thanks but that's not what i meant [11:23] i meant unity launcher integration [11:24] so that it shows the number of received messages actually on top of the pidgin icon on the launcher [11:24] MooDoo: Nyo jus' sayin' eh?eh?eh? [11:24] davmor2: :) [11:25] oimon: '$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jfi/pidgin && sudo apt-get install pidgin-libnotify' === elfy3 is now known as elfy4 [11:25] oimon: first result on Google: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/how-to-display-unread-pidgin-count-on-unity-launcher/ === elfy4 is now known as elfy2 === elfy2 is now known as elfy4 === elfy4 is now known as elfy1 === elfy1 is now known as nothingspecial === GirlyGirl_ is now known as GirlyGirl [12:02] hi all, can you recommend a decent tablet to get the misses for her birthday not IPAD though [12:04] MooDoo: http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=482&g2_serialNumber=6 <- quite nice [12:04] smart ass [12:05] dwatkins: I'm going to try adding a dummy entry to the grub menu (in /etc/grub.d/40_custom) just to see if it's updating the grub.cfg correctly [12:05] MooDoo: These have cool monsters! http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/345626683/antique_stone_tablet.jpg [12:07] oh for goodness sake :p [12:14] * justso twiddles his thumbs [12:19] boncey: good call [12:19] dwatkins: Success! It boots [12:20] hooray [12:20] dwatkins: I followed the tip here http://serverfault.com/questions/243343/headless-ubuntu-server-machine-sometimes-stuck-at-grub-menu [12:20] Which seems to be good advice for headless servers anyway [12:21] aha, didn't realise it disabled its own timeout [12:21] Yeah, pretty stupid [12:21] yeah, I'd prefer my headless machine not to get stuck at grub [12:22] Considering its a server install [12:22] Going to reboot again to be sure [12:27] Yup, problem solved [12:27] Thanks for help and advice, got me thinking in the right areas [12:31] MooDoo: I want the transformer prime, but I am waiting for the new version with the high resolution screen [12:33] interesting that the new one isn't tegra but omap [12:34] boncey: excellent [12:34] popey: S4 Krait [12:34] is that going to be any good? dual core, but faster than the quad core tegra [12:36] oh ☹ [12:37] is that bad? [12:38] *shrug* [12:38] I'd be surprised if it was faster than tegra 3 [12:38] isn't tegra really backwards? like missing any useful NEON stuff or something? [12:39] because you're meant to use the gpu, not floating point numbers [12:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_%28system_on_chip%29 [12:40] http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-infinity/features/ [12:40] says it does have tegra3 [12:40] comes in two variants, one with tegra3, one with Krait [12:40] ah [12:40] thats mental [12:40] uber fragmentation [12:41] choice i susppose is good ⍨ [12:41] never seen an ipad user ask what SoC is in the device ☺ [12:41] well it isn't out yet [12:41] and most users won't care what SoC is in the device, it will just run Android [12:42] I want to put Ubuntu on it obviously [12:43] popey, that's because apple advertise their SoC up front. [12:43] big section on http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/features/ [12:47] http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/27/mwc-2012-asus-unveils-the-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700t-packs-tegra-3-or-snapdragon-s4-under-a-1920x1200-super-ips-display/ [12:48] do I care about LTE? [12:49] my 1ghz nexus one still seems to get the job done well enough, not convinced by this suping up of cpus in phones [12:50] yeah, it is pointless, which is why ubuntu for android is a good idea [12:50] the OEMs need a reason to explain why they are sticking quad core CPUs in phones so that you throw away the old and busted and buy the new hotness [12:52] not sure I want cellular in a tablet at all really, maybe the tegra3 without LTE is the option to go for if they actually sell them as options (I suspect they will drop one variant) [12:53] I'd love cellular in tablet, if roaming data in the EU wasn't such a *cough* [12:54] I am quite happy with wireless tethering to my phone [13:23] I'm having difficulty sending files to my windows network ... anyone have ideas what could be wrong ? [13:24] I can send from this machine when booted in windows [13:24] (being a noob sucks) [13:28] 'send' in what sense, justso? [13:29] What make of harddrive do people here like and what do you avoid? [13:29] I cannot send a file from ubuntu into a windows shared folder which has permissions set to alter or modify contents [13:29] bigcalm: I like the one that comes in the machine I buy :P [13:30] Next! [13:30] justso: do you see the folder from the Ubuntu box? [13:31] This is for a RAID 1 [13:31] yes I can pull files from the shared folder but not send any back ... I just get "permission denied" [13:33] justso: are you logging on as guest or as a user? [13:33] as a user [13:34] I assume that user has rights both to the share and the relevant directories, justso [13:35] ohhh forget it I just tried again and it worked perfectly lol [13:35] quirky [13:47] I figured it out dwatkins ... it was just a bad filename that windows presumably couldnt handle [13:48] thanks for the help [13:52] hmm [13:54] aha I see, justso === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:29] Is it possible to move an existing 1 hdd install over to a RAID 1 setup? [14:31] kinda [14:31] Would I be better off reinstalling once I have the 2 drives? [14:31] chuck second disk in, make it a raid 1 with one missing disk, copy over, then add the first disk in as the second disk in the array [14:31] probably quicker to reinstall yeah [14:31] depends on whats on it [14:32] I have done this migration myself [14:32] * popey looks for his notes [14:32] Current drive is going to be sitting on a shelf as a last choice backup [14:34] has anyone actually got a raspberry pi yet? [14:34] upgraded my work PC to 12.04 today [14:35] bigcalm: http://pastebin.com/z5AE8DyR [14:35] does flash video playing fullscreen still allow the screensaver to come on in ubuntu? [14:35] pastebinned from my old wiki [14:35] shudder [14:35] :p [14:36] JohnRobert: RS have sent out a couple of beta boards [14:36] mine isn't due to arrive till next week [14:36] heh [14:37] yeah my brother in law ordered one, then got vexed with the slowness [14:37] I was going to order one but saw there was a 56 day wait or something like that [14:37] tempted to order a pandaboard ES and use that to build an ubuntu image (slowly) for raspberry pi [14:38] popey: you're right. Might be simpler/easier to do a fresh install :) [14:38] Which is fine [14:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/120896 [14:38] Ubuntu bug 120896 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "inhibit the screensaver when playing a video" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [14:38] : [14:38] :/ [14:38] ugh [14:45] any pidgin users in 12.04 experience very slow scrolling? [14:46] oimon: nope sorry I use empathy and xchat [14:46] empathy and irssi here [14:48] I was tempted to look at empathy for irc as it's improved but during tests I found out that improved mean you didn't cry from pounding your skull against the table so much [14:48] hmm, maybe it's just the general performance of the system after a couple of hours [14:48] nippy when you boot, but gets sluggish later [14:49] oimon: run top or htop and check out what's using memory [14:49] animations and switching no longer smooth [14:49] cpu and mem are OK [14:50] popey: why would the pandaboard ES be the thing to build on? [14:50] as opposed to? [14:50] the raspberry pi itself, or cross compile from an intel box [14:51] pandaboard is easier to get hold of [14:51] this may be a daft question [14:51] and faster [14:51] AIUI [14:51] AlanBell: i don't know much about these things, but i would suspect it would be hella faster to cross-compile on something beefy? [14:51] which when compiling a lot of stuff would matter [14:53] this is probably a sensible thing to do on amazon EC2 [14:55] ikonia, success! [14:57] ikonia, you paid for special delivery on the 7th? it's only shown up today [15:01] hmm global menu fails on dual monitors :-\ [15:01]