| * pleia2 settles in at ubuntu hour | 00:46 | |
| pleia2 | debian stickers came in on time for debian dinner later :D | 00:46 |
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| pleia2 | although, I am feeling a bit of an "if anyone comes" moment right now ;) | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | paulproteus: coming out to the debian dinner tonight at 7? I have stickers! | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | forgot squeeze and wheezy though, will have to run upstairs and get them at some point | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | yay, michelle is here | 00:49 |
| paulproteus | pleia2: Oh *man* I can't make it tonight, but I will aim to in the future. | 00:54 |
| paulproteus | How long do you folks stay? | 00:54 |
| pleia2 | 8:30 or 9 | 00:54 |
| paulproteus | i.e., if I want to come for 30 min, can I come by at 9? (: | 00:54 |
| paulproteus | Interesting. Good to know. | 00:54 |
| pleia2 | the restaurant closes at 9, so we are gone by then | 00:54 |
| paulproteus | Hah, okay (-: | 00:55 |
| * greg-g should get out to more of those, as well. | 00:55 | |
| paulproteus | Oh, hi there (: | 00:57 |
| greg-g | ;) | 01:00 |
| philipballew_ | pleia2, I like the Debian stickers you had. I might have to buy some from the link you tweeted about! | 04:06 |
| pleia2 | :) | 04:10 |
| philipballew_ | All ubuntu users are Debian users weather they know it or not. | 04:14 |
| Swagbodian | hello | 05:19 |
| Swagbodian | any users present? | 05:19 |
| gua | Swagbodian: hello | 05:40 |
| Swagbodian | hi | 06:17 |
| Swagbodian | seems pretty dead O.o | 06:17 |
| philipballew | Swagbodian, whats up! | 06:24 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: post meeting tasks? :) | 06:25 |
| pleia2 | (no rush, just a reminder) | 06:25 |
| * philipballew loves the notice | 06:26 | |
| philipballew | It is on my to do list. I have to type 5 papers for my christian tradition class this weekend so I am outlining them tonight and was gonna do post meeting this thursday | 06:27 |
| pleia2 | so much to do, good luck :) | 06:28 |
| philipballew | Thank you. When you have a lot of stuff to do, the best thing to do, is well... Just do it. Dont wait around because it wont do itself | 06:29 |
| philipballew | well thats my plan at least | 06:29 |
| pleia2 | I also highly recommend taking naps | 06:31 |
| philipballew | I do that as well. a 30 minute power nap has never hurt anyone | 06:31 |
| pleia2 | indeed! | 06:31 |
| * pleia2 sleep & | 06:35 | |
| Swagbodian | hello filipballew | 06:43 |
| Swagbodian | im a new user | 06:43 |
| Swagbodian | any tips for meh? | 06:43 |
| Swagbodian | :( | 06:45 |
| philipballew | Swagbodian, sure! what areas would you like tips in? | 06:46 |
| philipballew | sorry, had to step away and make some soup | 06:46 |
| philipballew | this is irc, were not just always sitting here waiting to talk to someone | 06:46 |
| Swagbodian | haha i know | 06:46 |
| Swagbodian | ehh | 06:47 |
| Swagbodian | idk basics? | 06:47 |
| Swagbodian | like backtrack only works on linux not windowsz? | 06:47 |
| philipballew | backtrack is a linux distro | 06:47 |
| Swagbodian | distro? | 06:48 |
| philipballew | it doesnt work on linux as it is linux in many ways | 06:48 |
| philipballew | the same way ubuntu or debian or fedora is linux | 06:48 |
| Swagbodian | what does distro mean | 06:48 |
| Swagbodian | sorry im only 13 | 06:48 |
| philipballew | distro is a operating system that uses linux as the heart of the system | 06:48 |
| philipballew | 13 is good. | 06:49 |
| Swagbodian | oh | 06:49 |
| philipballew | were always welcoming youth in to ubuntu | 06:49 |
| Swagbodian | so its a seperate type of linux iso? | 06:49 |
| Swagbodian | backtrack* | 06:49 |
| philipballew | backtrack is based off ubuntu? | 06:49 |
| philipballew | you wanna be a hacker I see? | 06:50 |
| Swagbodian | no | 06:50 |
| Swagbodian | i wanna be a anti hacker | 06:50 |
| Swagbodian | just gotta learn the basics. hopefully my future job as a cyberspace security | 06:50 |
| Swagbodian | i read that china is going to win the war | 06:50 |
| philipballew | war with who? | 06:50 |
| Swagbodian | against usa | 06:51 |
| Swagbodian | they say there is a lot of cyber warefare | 06:51 |
| philipballew | we go to war with china, we stop buying hot wheels. Now who's out of a job... | 06:51 |
| philipballew | but are you now running ubuntu? | 06:51 |
| Swagbodian | i just downloaded it. | 06:52 |
| Swagbodian | so after do i download back track? | 06:52 |
| philipballew | no, backtrack is a different distro | 06:52 |
| philipballew | there two different operating systems | 06:52 |
| Swagbodian | oh okay i see. | 06:52 |
| Swagbodian | thanx for the clarification | 06:52 |
| Swagbodian | hopefully i can get a job by 18 | 06:53 |
| philipballew | Im a hacker | 06:53 |
| Swagbodian | oh rlly? | 06:53 |
| Swagbodian | im scared | 06:53 |
| gua | "distro" as in "distribution" generally means "linux-kernel-based OS". both distros and OSes are just a kernel plus a collection of tools. | 06:53 |
| Swagbodian | what is "kernel" | 06:53 |
| philipballew | you should be scared | 06:53 |
| gua | backtrack has a lot of penetration testing tools | 06:53 |
| Swagbodian | O.O | 06:53 |
| philipballew | its ubuntu based | 06:53 |
| Swagbodian | hold on | 06:54 |
| Swagbodian | lemme google what kernel means | 06:54 |
| gua | Swagbodian: the kernel is software that handles your devices directly. cpu, memory/ram, mouse, etc. a kernel is like a bunch of drivers stuck together. | 06:54 |
| * philipballew holds | 06:54 | |
| gua | Swagbodian: googling is good too | 06:54 |
| philipballew | !kernel | 06:54 |
| Eureka | The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages | 06:54 |
| philipballew | !backtrack | 06:55 |
| Eureka | Factoid backtrack not found | 06:55 |
| philipballew | well I tried... | 06:55 |
| Swagbodian | god this irc chat is all tons of priceless information | 06:55 |
| philipballew | actually it costs | 06:55 |
| gua | enough to lie for, enough to start fires for | 06:55 |
| philipballew | 20 bucks an hour, you have to mail me the money | 06:56 |
| gua | i'd actually like to understand cars as well as i understand computers | 06:56 |
| Swagbodian | haha | 06:56 |
| philipballew | Cars are fun to play with | 06:56 |
| Swagbodian | i work on cars with me popz | 06:56 |
| gua | just got a coolant leak and i'm at a loss how to fix it | 06:56 |
| gua | ;/ | 06:56 |
| Swagbodian | google is your best friend dude | 06:56 |
| gua | so many hundreds to mechanics | 06:56 |
| gua | Swagbodian: well, i don't want to break anything | 06:56 |
| Swagbodian | if you can follow instructions | 06:57 |
| gua | computers you can reinstall. cars you have to be more careful | 06:57 |
| Swagbodian | nothing will be broken | 06:57 |
| Swagbodian | im pretty sure there are pretty clear pictures | 06:57 |
| Swagbodian | online that shows u how to do it | 06:57 |
| Swagbodian | or diagnose w.e | 06:57 |
| philipballew | Swagbodian, so you live in California I assume? | 06:57 |
| Swagbodian | yuppppppppppppppp | 06:57 |
| Swagbodian | lol no | 06:57 |
| Swagbodian | i have a car already | 06:57 |
| gua | yeah maybe. latest directions i heard were you hose down the car | 06:57 |
| Swagbodian | just drive illegally | 06:58 |
| Swagbodian | philip. what is a good website for noobie hackers such as myself | 06:58 |
| philipballew | Im a cop | 06:58 |
| Swagbodian | O.O | 06:58 |
| Swagbodian | lol | 06:58 |
| Swagbodian | your scary dude | 06:58 |
| gua | you hose it down, then you wait for it to leak, then you look where white marks have been left | 06:58 |
| gua | Swagbodian: backtrack forums | 06:59 |
| philipballew | the term hacker is misused these days | 06:59 |
| Swagbodian | hacker sounds scary | 06:59 |
| Swagbodian | reminds me of ANONYMOUSE | 06:59 |
| philipballew | Thats a problem | 06:59 |
| gua | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html | 06:59 |
| philipballew | do you like reading Swagbodian ? | 07:00 |
| gua | Swagbodian: read that | 07:00 |
| Swagbodian | im a visual kid but i like to read interesting books | 07:00 |
| Swagbodian | okay ill read it | 07:00 |
| philipballew | I read a book once | 07:00 |
| Swagbodian | LOL you only read one book? | 07:01 |
| Swagbodian | how old r u? | 07:01 |
| philipballew | 20 | 07:01 |
| philipballew | and I actually read a lot | 07:01 |
| gua | books are like webpages | 07:01 |
| Swagbodian | oh yeah | 07:01 |
| Swagbodian | like runescape | 07:02 |
| Swagbodian | xD | 07:02 |
| Swagbodian | wat sckool do u attend'? | 07:02 |
| philipballew | what makes you think I go to school? | 07:02 |
| gua | What school do you attend?* | 07:02 |
| Swagbodian | lik | 07:02 |
| Swagbodian | lol | 07:02 |
| Swagbodian | your 20 | 07:03 |
| Swagbodian | arent people suppose to go to college? | 07:03 |
| philipballew | I go to school in San Diego | 07:03 |
| gua | when you go to the school, the school goes back to you | 07:03 |
| Swagbodian | gua how does that make sense? | 07:04 |
| Swagbodian | oh san diego state? | 07:04 |
| philipballew | Swagbodian, dont question gua | 07:04 |
| Swagbodian | my friends older brother goes there | 07:04 |
| Swagbodian | not a question | 07:04 |
| Swagbodian | confusion | 07:04 |
| Swagbodian | O.O | 07:04 |
| philipballew | gua, is really smart | 07:05 |
| Swagbodian | i know that's why i dont understand O.O | 07:05 |
| gua | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html | 07:07 |
| philipballew | so what part of ca do you live in? | 07:08 |
| gua | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 07:08 |
| Swagbodian | i live in norcal | 07:09 |
| philipballew | nice! I grew up in Auburn | 07:09 |
| Swagbodian | oh i been there for church gathering its woody | 07:10 |
| philipballew | what church did you go to? | 07:10 |
| philipballew | its not that woody, but areas around it are | 07:10 |
| Swagbodian | united methodist | 07:11 |
| philipballew | nice! | 07:11 |
| Swagbodian | man pretty interesting stuff im reading | 07:11 |
| * philipballew is off to bed | 07:11 | |
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| bkerensa | pleia2: Are you going to possibly make a openphoto account for Ubuntu CA? | 20:42 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:42 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: once openphoto hooks in to all the tagging, grouping and other features we use to communicate with other teams on flickr, sure! | 20:43 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: I will ping you when it does... I have to go over our top feature requests with our lead dev tonight and turn them into wishlist items to work on | 20:43 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:43 |
| bkerensa | I want shotwell support myself :P | 20:44 |
| pleia2 | ubuntu pennsylvania still uses a gallery install, didn't go that route with california because 1) gallery2 mostly sucks :( 2) flickr has all the social tools and works with loco.ubuntu.com | 20:45 |
| pleia2 | (we also considered picasa(|web)) | 20:45 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Well I think in the near future we will support auto-importing from Flickr/Picasa | 20:46 |
| pleia2 | yeah, right now you have to do something crazy like dump from flickr to dropbox and import from there or something | 20:46 |
| pleia2 | I went to a talk about it a couple months ago | 20:47 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: I am making a juju charm to deploy Openphoto in the cloud and also going to re-write a lot of our docs and perhaps improve the auto install scripts | 20:47 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:47 |
| bkerensa | I leave the api monkeying for other people ;p | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | juju isn't really my thing, I need rapid, reliable maintenance, not deployment ;) | 20:48 |
| * pleia2 doesn't do cloud-things yet | 20:48 | |
| philipballew_ | juju charms are interesting in some ways | 20:48 |
| bkerensa | juju charms are interesting when Canonical sends me $100 gift cards ;p | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | lol | 20:49 |
| philipballew_ | what language bkerensa do you write them in? | 20:49 |
| bkerensa | nah juju is fun... Kees Cook made a really cool sbuild charm which we used for Debian multi-arch stuffs | 20:50 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: any language you want | 20:50 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:50 |
| bkerensa | juju charms can be written in almost any language... py, C#, ruby, php | 20:50 |
| bkerensa | bash script? | 20:50 |
| philipballew_ | maybe bash, thats interesting | 20:50 |
| philipballew_ | Id need to understand how juju charms work more before I understand how id write a charm | 20:51 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: they deploy cloud instances of your favorite apps and allow you to stack | 20:51 |
| bkerensa | so you can for instance use the apache, mysql and php charms as dependencies to deploy a "phpmyadmin charm" | 20:52 |
| bkerensa | like the openphoto charm I am going to write will use LAMP which saves me a lot of writing and then I just write hooks to install openphoto, config it in apache and start/stop/upgrade/expose | 20:53 |
| bkerensa | :D | 20:53 |
| philipballew_ | I have looked into the cloud a few times, but whats the real difference between that and a vps? | 20:53 |
| philipballew_ | because cant i just use a vps and lamp to run and webstuff anyway? | 20:53 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: VPS and Cloud's are the same thing physically in that they are isolated instances running on hardware | 20:55 |
| bkerensa | but a VPS is intended to host all or a good portion of the load | 20:55 |
| bkerensa | while Cloud is intended for bigger load balancing | 20:55 |
| bkerensa | Like a One VPS to run a site or two or three is normal but not 200 because of cost | 20:56 |
| philipballew_ | so why would I want to use a cloud vs a vps? | 20:56 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: cost | 20:56 |
| bkerensa | VPSes are more expensive | 20:56 |
| pleia2 | rapid deployment | 20:56 |
| bkerensa | for large deployments | 20:56 |
| bkerensa | and rapid ^ | 20:56 |
| pleia2 | more flexible scalability | 20:57 |
| bkerensa | pleia2 explains it much better then me :P | 20:57 |
| philipballew_ | but if im just running say one website, I would want a vps, but if i have many things, a cloud is better? | 20:57 |
| bkerensa | VPS caters to people who dont quite need a Dedicated | 20:57 |
| pleia2 | and most "cloud" offerings have swappable storage options, where VPSes really attempt to be "pretend like this is a colo box" | 20:57 |
| bkerensa | ^ | 20:57 |
| pleia2 | if you're just running a website you might just want a $5/mo account with dreamhost ;) | 20:58 |
| bkerensa | ugh | 20:58 |
| bkerensa | dreamhost hosts Ubuntu Oregon but imho I would likely not use them for a person site | 20:58 |
| bkerensa | personal* | 20:58 |
| pleia2 | probably a bad example, but you don't need a whole linux box if you just need a single service | 20:59 |
| bkerensa | $19.95 for a Linode | 20:59 |
| philipballew_ | I used to run it myself but then the place a was storing the desktop at found out I pluged it in and opened ports... | 20:59 |
| bkerensa | Use their stack scripts and you can have a Wordpress deployment in one click | 20:59 |
| philipballew_ | my friend found a 5 dollar a month vps somewhere | 20:59 |
| philipballew_ | okay, but not for anything major | 20:59 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: FDC Servers? :P | 20:59 |
| bkerensa | They charge about that with unlimited bandwidth (they oversell their pipes) | 21:00 |
| philipballew_ | I need to look into that with the cloud | 21:00 |
| philipballew_ | for a linux user/technology user, I am always behind with technology | 21:00 |
| philipballew_ | My desktop is still a pentium 4 | 21:01 |
| philipballew_ | bkerensa, If i want to write charms, I need to have a cloud service paid for though. I am way to cheep for that. | 21:02 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: you can run juju in lxc | 21:02 |
| bkerensa | so you can run it off your desktop or laptop | 21:02 |
| bkerensa | for testing etc | 21:02 |
| philipballew_ | yeah, but i need to have instances to test it with? | 21:03 |
| pleia2 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage still applicable? | 21:03 |
| pleia2 | there are a few guides floating around | 21:03 |
| philipballew_ | maybe a use for my old desktop running ubuntu server 10.04 | 21:04 |
| pleia2 | philipballew_: lxc is kind of a type of virtualization, you create a fake series of instances that believe they are all separate, and hook them together with juju | 21:04 |
| philipballew_ | I need to upgrade that to 12.04 | 21:04 |
| pleia2 | yeah, 12.04 is a must for any of this stuff | 21:04 |
| philipballew_ | hum. Something to add to my "summer projects" | 21:05 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: believe it or not I never even tested my charm :P | 21:05 |
| * pleia2 lunchtime | 21:05 | |
| bkerensa | ding | 21:05 |
| bkerensa | Well I did a single time but mostly I just had the charmers team review and test it since they were the ones who wanted me to write it :P | 21:06 |
| * philipballew_ has sucky programing skills | 21:08 | |
| philipballew_ | well, thats only because I never take the time to debug | 21:08 |
| philipballew_ | what ones have you wrote bkerensa ? | 21:09 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: I wrote Subway using very simple bash scripting http://jujucharms.com/charms/oneiric/subway | 21:10 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: although I hope to write my next (Openphoto charm) in Python or at least bits and pieces Python and the rest in Bash | 21:10 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:10 |
| bkerensa | you can also mix languages | 21:10 |
| philipballew_ | bkerensa, I really enjoy their five dollar footlongs | 21:10 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: I know right | 21:11 |
| bkerensa | :P | 21:11 |
| bkerensa | philipballew: if you write a charm you get a juju t-shirt and Ubuntu travel mug | 21:11 |
| bkerensa | and in some cases I think they might hold more juju charm contests http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/04/juju-charm-contest-winners/ | 21:11 |
| philipballew_ | there having a charm school this december about a half mile from my dorm here in San Diego | 21:12 |
| philipballew_ | Im gonna go | 21:12 |
| * philipballew_ needs to figure out a way to sneak into it or something | 21:13 | |
| philipballew_ | there will be one at the uds I assume. | 21:13 |
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| bkerensa | philipballew: I hope so.... so far there is really nothing on the UDS schedule | 21:38 |
| bkerensa | :D | 21:38 |
| bkerensa | and its just weeks away | 21:38 |
| philipballew_ | yeah, I have SO much school to do before then, I finish school friday and uds starts monday | 21:40 |
| gua | a charm school sounds pretty neat. is there a list of planned charm schools? | 21:40 |
| philipballew_ | somehow I need to figure out how to get there and drop off a car load of stuff in the meantime | 21:40 |
| philipballew_ | gua, yeah!!!! | 21:41 |
| gua | i was just googling and only found the main wikipage for charmschools, listed some web seminars, but i didn't see upcoming ones | 21:41 |
| philipballew_ | I think there is one in the bay area in june | 21:42 |
| philipballew_ | and also maybe uds will have one | 21:42 |
| gua | ah that sounds good | 21:43 |
| philipballew_ | Id look for you, but in about 2 minutes I have to go to class | 21:43 |
| * philipballew_ off to chem lab | 21:44 | |
| bkerensa | gua: https://juju.ubuntu.com/Events | 21:49 |
| gua | ah thanks! | 22:24 |
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