[00:46]  * pleia2 settles in at ubuntu hour
[00:46] <pleia2> debian stickers came in on time for debian dinner later :D
[00:48] <pleia2> although, I am feeling a bit of an "if anyone comes" moment right now ;)
[00:48] <pleia2> paulproteus: coming out to the debian dinner tonight at 7? I have stickers!
[00:49] <pleia2> forgot squeeze and wheezy though, will have to run upstairs and get them at some point
[00:49] <pleia2> yay, michelle is here
[00:54] <paulproteus> pleia2: Oh *man* I can't make it tonight, but I will aim to in the future.
[00:54] <paulproteus> How long do you folks stay?
[00:54] <pleia2> 8:30 or 9
[00:54] <paulproteus> i.e., if I want to come for 30 min, can I come by at 9? (:
[00:54] <paulproteus> Interesting. Good to know.
[00:54] <pleia2> the restaurant closes at 9, so we are gone by then
[00:55] <paulproteus> Hah, okay (-:
[00:55]  * greg-g should get out to more of those, as well.
[00:57] <paulproteus> Oh, hi there (:
[01:00] <greg-g> ;)
[04:06] <philipballew_> pleia2, I like the Debian stickers you had. I might have to buy some from the link you tweeted about!
[04:10] <pleia2> :)
[04:14] <philipballew_> All ubuntu users are Debian users weather they know it or not.
[05:19] <Swagbodian> hello
[05:19] <Swagbodian> any users present?
[05:40] <gua> Swagbodian: hello
[06:17] <Swagbodian> hi
[06:17] <Swagbodian> seems pretty dead O.o
[06:24] <philipballew> Swagbodian, whats up!
[06:25] <pleia2> philipballew: post meeting tasks? :)
[06:25] <pleia2> (no rush, just a reminder)
[06:26]  * philipballew loves the notice
[06:27] <philipballew> It is on my to do list. I have to type 5 papers for my christian tradition class this weekend so I am outlining them tonight and was gonna do post meeting this thursday
[06:28] <pleia2> so much to do, good luck :)
[06:29] <philipballew> Thank you. When you have a lot of stuff to do, the best thing to do, is well... Just do it. Dont wait around because it wont do itself
[06:29] <philipballew> well thats my plan at least
[06:31] <pleia2> I also highly recommend taking naps
[06:31] <philipballew> I do that as well. a 30 minute power nap has never hurt anyone
[06:31] <pleia2> indeed!
[06:35]  * pleia2 sleep &
[06:43] <Swagbodian> hello filipballew
[06:43] <Swagbodian> im a new user
[06:43] <Swagbodian> any tips for meh?
[06:45] <Swagbodian> :(
[06:46] <philipballew> Swagbodian, sure! what areas would you like tips in?
[06:46] <philipballew> sorry, had to step away and make some soup
[06:46] <philipballew> this is irc, were not just always sitting here waiting to talk to someone
[06:46] <Swagbodian> haha i know
[06:47] <Swagbodian> ehh
[06:47] <Swagbodian> idk basics?
[06:47] <Swagbodian> like backtrack only works on linux not windowsz?
[06:47] <philipballew> backtrack is a linux distro
[06:48] <Swagbodian> distro?
[06:48] <philipballew> it doesnt work on linux as it is linux in many ways
[06:48] <philipballew> the same way ubuntu or debian or fedora is linux
[06:48] <Swagbodian> what does distro mean
[06:48] <Swagbodian> sorry im only 13
[06:48] <philipballew> distro is a operating system that uses linux as the heart of the system
[06:49] <philipballew> 13 is good.
[06:49] <Swagbodian> oh
[06:49] <philipballew> were always welcoming youth in to ubuntu
[06:49] <Swagbodian> so its a seperate type of linux iso?
[06:49] <Swagbodian> backtrack*
[06:49] <philipballew> backtrack is based off ubuntu?
[06:50] <philipballew> you wanna be a hacker I see?
[06:50] <Swagbodian> no
[06:50] <Swagbodian> i wanna be a anti hacker
[06:50] <Swagbodian> just gotta learn the basics. hopefully my future job as a cyberspace security
[06:50] <Swagbodian> i read that china is going to win the war
[06:50] <philipballew> war with who?
[06:51] <Swagbodian> against usa
[06:51] <Swagbodian> they say there is a lot of cyber warefare
[06:51] <philipballew> we go to war with china, we stop buying hot wheels. Now who's out of a job...
[06:51] <philipballew> but are you now running ubuntu?
[06:52] <Swagbodian> i just downloaded it.
[06:52] <Swagbodian> so after do i download back track?
[06:52] <philipballew> no, backtrack is a different distro
[06:52] <philipballew> there two different operating systems
[06:52] <Swagbodian> oh okay i see.
[06:52] <Swagbodian> thanx for the clarification
[06:53] <Swagbodian> hopefully i can get a job by 18
[06:53] <philipballew> Im a hacker
[06:53] <Swagbodian> oh rlly?
[06:53] <Swagbodian> im scared
[06:53] <gua> "distro" as in "distribution" generally means "linux-kernel-based OS". both distros and OSes are just a kernel plus a collection of tools.
[06:53] <Swagbodian> what is "kernel"
[06:53] <philipballew> you should be scared
[06:53] <gua> backtrack has a lot of penetration testing tools
[06:53] <Swagbodian> O.O
[06:53] <philipballew> its ubuntu based
[06:54] <Swagbodian> hold on
[06:54] <Swagbodian> lemme google what kernel means
[06:54] <gua> Swagbodian: the kernel is software that handles your devices directly. cpu, memory/ram, mouse, etc. a kernel is like a bunch of drivers stuck together.
[06:54]  * philipballew holds
[06:54] <gua> Swagbodian: googling is good too
[06:54] <philipballew> !kernel
[06:54] <Eureka> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages
[06:55] <philipballew> !backtrack
[06:55] <Eureka> Factoid backtrack not found
[06:55] <philipballew> well I tried...
[06:55] <Swagbodian> god this irc chat is all tons of priceless information
[06:55] <philipballew> actually it costs
[06:55] <gua> enough to lie for, enough to start fires for
[06:56] <philipballew> 20 bucks an hour, you have to mail me the money
[06:56] <gua> i'd actually like to understand cars as well as i understand computers
[06:56] <Swagbodian> haha
[06:56] <philipballew> Cars are fun to play with
[06:56] <Swagbodian> i work on cars with me popz
[06:56] <gua> just got a coolant leak and i'm at a loss how to fix it
[06:56] <gua> ;/
[06:56] <Swagbodian> google is your best friend dude
[06:56] <gua> so many hundreds to mechanics
[06:56] <gua> Swagbodian: well, i don't want to break anything
[06:57] <Swagbodian> if you can follow instructions
[06:57] <gua> computers you can reinstall. cars you have to be more careful
[06:57] <Swagbodian> nothing will be broken
[06:57] <Swagbodian> im pretty sure there are pretty clear pictures
[06:57] <Swagbodian> online that shows u how to do it
[06:57] <Swagbodian> or diagnose w.e
[06:57] <philipballew> Swagbodian, so you live in California I assume?
[06:57] <Swagbodian> yuppppppppppppppp
[06:57] <Swagbodian> lol no
[06:57] <Swagbodian> i have a car already
[06:57] <gua> yeah maybe. latest directions i heard were you hose down the car
[06:58] <Swagbodian> just drive illegally
[06:58] <Swagbodian> philip. what is a good website for noobie hackers such as myself
[06:58] <philipballew> Im a cop
[06:58] <Swagbodian> O.O
[06:58] <Swagbodian> lol
[06:58] <Swagbodian> your  scary dude
[06:58] <gua> you hose it down, then you wait for it to leak, then you look where white marks have been left
[06:59] <gua> Swagbodian: backtrack forums
[06:59] <philipballew>  the term hacker is misused these days
[06:59] <Swagbodian> hacker sounds scary
[06:59] <Swagbodian> reminds me of ANONYMOUSE
[06:59] <philipballew> Thats a problem
[06:59] <gua> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[07:00] <philipballew> do you like reading Swagbodian ?
[07:00] <gua> Swagbodian: read that
[07:00] <Swagbodian> im a visual kid but i like to read interesting books
[07:00] <Swagbodian> okay ill read it
[07:00] <philipballew> I read a book once
[07:01] <Swagbodian> LOL you only read one book?
[07:01] <Swagbodian> how old r u?
[07:01] <philipballew> 20
[07:01] <philipballew> and I actually read a lot
[07:01] <gua> books are like webpages
[07:01] <Swagbodian> oh yeah
[07:02] <Swagbodian> like runescape
[07:02] <Swagbodian> xD
[07:02] <Swagbodian> wat sckool do u attend'?
[07:02] <philipballew> what makes you think I go to school?
[07:02] <gua> What school do you attend?*
[07:02] <Swagbodian> lik
[07:02] <Swagbodian> lol
[07:03] <Swagbodian> your 20
[07:03] <Swagbodian> arent people suppose to go to college?
[07:03] <philipballew> I go to school in San Diego
[07:03] <gua> when you go to the school, the school goes back to you
[07:04] <Swagbodian> gua how does that make sense?
[07:04] <Swagbodian> oh san diego state?
[07:04] <philipballew> Swagbodian, dont question gua
[07:04] <Swagbodian> my friends older brother goes there
[07:04] <Swagbodian> not a question
[07:04] <Swagbodian> confusion
[07:04] <Swagbodian> O.O
[07:05] <philipballew> gua, is really smart
[07:05] <Swagbodian> i know that's why i dont understand O.O
[07:07] <gua> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[07:08] <philipballew> so what part of ca do you live in?
[07:08] <gua> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[07:09] <Swagbodian> i live in norcal
[07:09] <philipballew> nice! I grew up in Auburn
[07:10] <Swagbodian> oh i been there for church gathering its woody
[07:10] <philipballew> what church did you go to?
[07:10] <philipballew> its not that woody, but areas around it are
[07:11] <Swagbodian> united methodist
[07:11] <philipballew>  nice!
[07:11] <Swagbodian> man pretty interesting stuff im reading
[07:11]  * philipballew is off to bed
[20:42] <bkerensa> pleia2: Are you going to possibly make a openphoto account for Ubuntu CA?
[20:42] <bkerensa> :D
[20:43] <pleia2> bkerensa: once openphoto hooks in to all the tagging, grouping and other features we use to communicate with other teams on flickr, sure!
[20:43] <bkerensa> pleia2: I will ping you when it does... I have to go over our top feature requests with our lead dev tonight and turn them into wishlist items to work on
[20:43] <bkerensa> :D
[20:44] <bkerensa> I want shotwell support myself :P
[20:45] <pleia2> ubuntu pennsylvania still uses a gallery install, didn't go that route with california because 1) gallery2 mostly sucks :( 2) flickr has all the social tools and works with loco.ubuntu.com
[20:45] <pleia2> (we also considered picasa(|web))
[20:46] <bkerensa> pleia2: Well I think in the near future we will support auto-importing from Flickr/Picasa
[20:46] <pleia2> yeah, right now you have to do something crazy like dump from flickr to dropbox and import from there or something
[20:47] <pleia2> I went to a talk about it a couple months ago
[20:47] <bkerensa> pleia2: I am making a juju charm to deploy Openphoto in the cloud and also going to re-write a lot of our docs and perhaps improve the auto install scripts
[20:47] <bkerensa> :D
[20:47] <bkerensa> I leave the api monkeying for other people ;p
[20:48] <pleia2> juju isn't really my thing, I need rapid, reliable maintenance, not deployment ;)
[20:48]  * pleia2 doesn't do cloud-things yet
[20:48] <philipballew_> juju charms are interesting in some ways
[20:49] <bkerensa> juju charms are interesting when Canonical sends me $100 gift cards ;p
[20:49] <pleia2> lol
[20:49] <philipballew_> what language bkerensa do you write them in?
[20:50] <bkerensa> nah juju is fun... Kees Cook made a really cool sbuild charm which we used for Debian multi-arch stuffs
[20:50] <bkerensa> philipballew: any language you want
[20:50] <bkerensa> :D
[20:50] <bkerensa> juju charms can be written in almost any language... py, C#, ruby, php
[20:50] <bkerensa> bash script?
[20:50] <philipballew_> maybe bash, thats interesting
[20:51] <philipballew_> Id need to understand how juju charms work more before I understand how id write a charm
[20:51] <bkerensa> philipballew: they deploy cloud instances of your favorite apps and allow you to stack
[20:52] <bkerensa> so you can for instance use the apache, mysql and php charms as dependencies to deploy a "phpmyadmin charm"
[20:53] <bkerensa> like the openphoto charm I am going to write will use LAMP which saves me a lot of writing and then I just write hooks to install openphoto, config it in apache and start/stop/upgrade/expose
[20:53] <bkerensa> :D
[20:53] <philipballew_> I have looked into the cloud a few times, but whats the real difference between that and a vps?
[20:53] <philipballew_> because cant i just use a vps and lamp to run and webstuff anyway?
[20:55] <bkerensa> philipballew: VPS and Cloud's are the same thing physically in that they are isolated instances running on hardware
[20:55] <bkerensa> but a VPS is intended to host all or a good portion of the load
[20:55] <bkerensa> while Cloud is intended for bigger load balancing
[20:56] <bkerensa> Like a One VPS to run a site or two or three is normal but not 200 because of cost
[20:56] <philipballew_> so why would I want to use a cloud vs a vps?
[20:56] <bkerensa> philipballew: cost
[20:56] <bkerensa> VPSes are more expensive
[20:56] <pleia2> rapid deployment
[20:56] <bkerensa> for large deployments
[20:56] <bkerensa> and rapid ^
[20:57] <pleia2> more flexible scalability
[20:57] <bkerensa> pleia2 explains it much better then me :P
[20:57] <philipballew_> but if im just running say one website, I would want a vps, but if i have many things, a cloud is better?
[20:57] <bkerensa> VPS caters to people who dont quite need a Dedicated
[20:57] <pleia2> and most "cloud" offerings have swappable storage options, where VPSes really attempt to be "pretend like this is a colo box"
[20:57] <bkerensa> ^
[20:58] <pleia2> if you're just running a website you might just want a $5/mo account with dreamhost ;)
[20:58] <bkerensa> ugh
[20:58] <bkerensa> dreamhost hosts Ubuntu Oregon but imho I would likely not use them for a person site
[20:58] <bkerensa> personal*
[20:59] <pleia2> probably a bad example, but you don't need a whole linux box if you just need a single service
[20:59] <bkerensa> $19.95 for a Linode
[20:59] <philipballew_> I used to run it myself but then the place a was storing the desktop at found out I pluged it in and opened ports...
[20:59] <bkerensa> Use their stack scripts and you can have a Wordpress deployment in one click
[20:59] <philipballew_> my friend found a 5 dollar a month vps somewhere
[20:59] <philipballew_> okay, but not for anything major
[20:59] <bkerensa> philipballew: FDC Servers? :P
[21:00] <bkerensa> They charge about that with unlimited bandwidth (they oversell their pipes)
[21:00] <philipballew_> I need to look into that with the cloud
[21:00] <philipballew_> for a linux user/technology user, I am always behind with technology
[21:01] <philipballew_> My desktop is still a pentium 4
[21:02] <philipballew_> bkerensa, If i want to write charms, I need to have a cloud service paid for though. I am way to cheep for that.
[21:02] <bkerensa> philipballew: you can run juju in lxc
[21:02] <bkerensa> so you can run it off your desktop or laptop
[21:02] <bkerensa> for testing etc
[21:03] <philipballew_> yeah, but i need to have instances to test it with?
[21:03] <pleia2> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage still applicable?
[21:03] <pleia2> there are a few guides floating around
[21:04] <philipballew_> maybe a use for my old desktop running ubuntu server 10.04
[21:04] <pleia2> philipballew_: lxc is kind of a type of virtualization, you create a fake series of instances that believe they are all separate, and hook them together with juju
[21:04] <philipballew_> I need to upgrade that to 12.04
[21:04] <pleia2> yeah, 12.04 is a must for any of this stuff
[21:05] <philipballew_> hum. Something to add to my "summer projects"
[21:05] <bkerensa> philipballew: believe it or not I never even tested my charm :P
[21:05]  * pleia2 lunchtime
[21:05] <bkerensa> ding
[21:06] <bkerensa> Well I did a single time but mostly I just had the charmers team review and test it since they were the ones who wanted me to write it :P
[21:08]  * philipballew_ has sucky programing skills
[21:08] <philipballew_> well, thats only because I never take the time to debug
[21:09] <philipballew_> what ones have you wrote bkerensa ?
[21:10] <bkerensa> philipballew: I wrote Subway using very simple bash scripting http://jujucharms.com/charms/oneiric/subway
[21:10] <bkerensa> philipballew: although I hope to write my next (Openphoto charm) in Python or at least bits and pieces Python and the rest in Bash
[21:10] <bkerensa> :D
[21:10] <bkerensa> you can also mix languages
[21:10] <philipballew_> bkerensa, I really enjoy their five dollar footlongs
[21:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: I know right
[21:11] <bkerensa> :P
[21:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: if you write a charm you get a juju t-shirt and Ubuntu travel mug
[21:11] <bkerensa> and in some cases I think they might hold more juju charm contests http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/04/juju-charm-contest-winners/
[21:12] <philipballew_> there having a charm school this december about a half mile from my dorm here in San Diego
[21:12] <philipballew_> Im gonna go
[21:13]  * philipballew_ needs to figure out a way to sneak into it or something
[21:13] <philipballew_> there will be one at the uds I assume.
[21:38] <bkerensa> philipballew: I hope so.... so far there is really nothing on the UDS schedule
[21:38] <bkerensa> :D
[21:38] <bkerensa> and its just weeks away
[21:40] <philipballew_> yeah, I have SO much school to do before then, I finish school friday and uds starts monday
[21:40] <gua> a charm school sounds pretty neat. is there a list of planned charm schools?
[21:40] <philipballew_> somehow I need to figure out how to get there and drop off a car load of stuff in the meantime
[21:41] <philipballew_> gua, yeah!!!!
[21:41] <gua> i was just googling and only found the main wikipage for charmschools, listed some web seminars, but i didn't see upcoming ones
[21:42] <philipballew_> I think there is one in the bay area in june
[21:42] <philipballew_> and also maybe uds will have one
[21:43] <gua> ah that sounds good
[21:43] <philipballew_> Id look for you, but in about 2 minutes I have to go to class
[21:44]  * philipballew_ off to chem lab
[21:49] <bkerensa> gua: https://juju.ubuntu.com/Events
[22:24] <gua> ah thanks!