/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/12/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

jrwrenwas it outkast that said something like "y aknow, as much as I hate this motha fucka, i love this mohta fucka "00:04
jrwrenthat is the USA00:04
jrwrenGAH!!!!!!!!!!!!  5.5 weeks after i start a new job and I get offered a job for the #1 company on my list for whom to work #firstworldproblems00:34
rick_hjrwren: dude, what's #1? I'm curious now00:36
rick_hbut awesome on getting the offer, major bummer on the timing00:36
greg-gMS00:51
rick_hso that was awesome, three new peeps at chc in one night02:44
Blazeixyeah, it was a really fun night02:49
rick_h*sigh* crossed 48hrs and still backing up to nas02:51
waldo323_best case for getting called to help out with a virus... dad had it cleaned by the time I got there to help :)02:54
rick_hyay102:55
rick_hyay! looks better02:55
Blazeixsad. I tried to install meteor on my arch machine, and the installer says "Unable to install. Meteor supports RedHat and Debian"02:55
Blazeixit's a god damn shell script. come on.02:55
rick_houch02:55
Blazeixcool, already a PKGBUILD for it02:56
snap-lugh02:56
snap-lany way to d/l the shell script and overrie?02:56
Blazeixi'll use the PKGBUILD, someone in the arch community already did the work02:56
Blazeixit just downloads the deb and unpacks it, it looksl ike02:57
Blazeix*looks like02:57
greg-gwow, Blue Systems is growing03:01
greg-gtwo canonical employees are now going to be working on Kubuntu there03:02
rick_hyea, if only I could see wtf blue systems is03:02
greg-ghaha, yeah, there's still that :)03:03
snap-lIf only there were a commercial enterprise dedicated to contributing to KDE03:10
snap-lOh, wait, there are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE#Commercial_enterprises03:11
Blazeixah yes, good old Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB03:11
snap-lKDE, the Fahrvergnügen of the desktop03:12
rick_hhey derekv, sounds like a familiar name04:06
derekvhi04:11
derekvanyways I saw about MUG on twitter04:12
derekvI have you in my twitter feed.04:14
rick_hah, coolness04:17
derekvsomething about "MUG" rang a bell, and I looked, and I was like, hey look that guy holding up a mic preamp (or whatever that is) lives in mi, and there's a thing going on, and its a mile from my house, holy crap04:19
rick_hlol, awesome, what's your twitter account?04:22
derekv@derekverlee04:22
jrwrenxamarin was the #1 place07:46
smosersnap-l, when you arrive, perhaps you can help09:35
smoserhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/121288/installed-12-04-on-lenovo-x120e-now-i-cant-boot09:35
snap-lsmoser: I haven't run into that, fortunately11:11
snap-lThough the last step that you did looks familiar11:12
snap-lBut after I couldn't boot, I wiped the machine and started fresh11:13
snap-lsmoser: I have just let Ubuntu do the partitioning rather than manually partition, because invariably if I set it up manually, it never works.11:14
snap-lGood morning13:33
rick_hmorning13:33
brouschmorn13:34
snap-lWelcome, derekv. I'm the guy with the tank shirt.13:34
jrwrengood morning13:34
* brousch shudders at the thought of snap-l in a tank-top 13:37
jrwrenditto13:38
brouschjrwren: what's the best way to connect to a server from osx over sftp?13:40
brouschfinder does not seem to understand sft13:40
brouschjrwren: nvm, i found it13:45
brouschseems strange it's not installed by default13:45
jrwrenit is installed by default.13:48
jrwren(venv)jwren@eng-6-70:{}~ $ which sftp13:48
jrwren/usr/bin/sftp13:48
jrwrenit even integrates with KeyChain.App, which is good or bad depending on the type of user you are :)13:49
brouschi mean no gui is installed and finder doesn't understand it13:51
brouschi installed macfuse and sshfs13:52
brouschdolphin and nautilus have spiled me13:53
jrwrenoh.13:55
jrwrenlol, nope, no gui AFAIK13:55
jrwrenI am a cmd line guy. i rarely use finder13:55
jrwrenand I never use dolphin or nautilus13:55
brouschi need to copy gobs of files. that's annoying with command line sftp13:55
jrwrenthat has not been my experience.13:56
rick_hok, cloud search is interesting from aws14:21
jrwrenagreed14:21
rick_hmight be the way to scale out bookie search if it ever gets big14:21
rick_hvs setting up/managing solr servers14:22
rick_hhttp://www.aviiq.com/pages/ready-clips ok pretty usb cables14:26
brouschaws cloud search?14:26
snap-lrick_h: Nice, but I can see those having limited functionality.14:27
brouschamazon rolls out so much stuff i can't keep track14:27
rick_hsnap-l: yea, but nice travel functionality14:27
rick_hbrousch: you must follow the aws blog :)14:27
snap-lyou'd have to have your device parallel to the port.14:27
snap-lIt's a parallel port. ;)14:28
rick_hhttp://aws.typepad.com/14:28
rick_hthey bend14:28
rick_hbut yea, not sure how much they'll hold a bend14:28
snap-lrick_h: Like a SATA cable14:28
brouschi'm such a cheap bastard. any price over $9.99/mo turns me off14:29
snap-lHeh14:33
brouschrick_h: did you look at https://github.com/klen/zeta-library ? supposed to be a more complete version of python-scss14:43
rick_hbrousch: no, seems like a lot more than I need to deal with14:44
rick_hugh, doctests...14:45
brouschheh14:45
* brousch imagines rick_h putting away his APPROVED stamp and pulling out his REVOKED stamp14:46
rick_hpretty much...14:46
rick_hno I mean I just need the sass stuff which is in two files it looks like and seems ok14:46
rick_hI don't see it providing the command line commands I need, but it's probably meta wrapped somewhere else14:47
rick_hI'm pretty happy with pyscss14:47
rick_hit's got some warts, but working well for me14:47
jrwrensnap-l: I just put on Alice In Chains' Facelift. It sounds great! I am noticing the lack of compression! :)14:48
snap-ljrwren: Squeezebox?14:48
jrwrenyes14:48
brouschah, geekers, i was comparing to a different python-scss14:48
jrwrensnap-l: but i mean master compression, ya know?14:48
jrwrennot lossy compression14:48
snap-lIs this a remastered version?14:54
jrwrenno14:57
jrwrenripped by me from my 1993ish purchased CD14:57
jrwrenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmN2PH5uKg14:57
snap-ljrwren: Just wondering why the sudden enthusiasm. ;)14:58
jrwrenoh, its been a while since I listened to an album that wasn't over produced I guess.15:17
rick_hok, this is a bit strange tbh: http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2012/04/12/a-sneak-peek-of-send-to-ubuntu-one/15:21
brouschbe nice for mobile15:25
brouschfor instance, if i find something i want while on android, i'd download it and move it to dropbox so it would be on my computer. this would do it all in one step15:26
rick_hright so this seems for publishers not for normal consumers15:26
brouschright15:26
rick_hthe site would have to support this, but then they've got something so tied into U1 and only U!15:27
brouschi assume download to U1 would be one of many options15:27
brouschdownload to Dropbox15:27
brouschdownload old school15:27
snap-lI think it's to complete with Amazon's cloud services15:27
snap-lso when you buy music from places other than Ubuntu One (which I can't tell if it's still in business or not), you could have the tracks automagically sent to your cloud drive.15:28
snap-lor your ebooks, or whatever15:28
snap-lIt's a bit of a catch-up move, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.15:28
rick_hright, but if you buy them from U1 it's already synced right? So this would have to be just third parties15:28
rick_hwell interesting I guess15:28
snap-lOnly for U115:28
snap-lbut lets say they partner with Baen books15:29
snap-lor emusic or any of the other online stores15:29
snap-lMagnatune, for instance.15:29
snap-lIt opens it up outside of the U1 music store15:29
snap-lwhich I'm wondering if 7digital backed out.15:30
snap-lbecause they redesigned the site, and broke Banshee15:30
snap-lFrankly, if they had an option that didn't require me to use the player, I'd use it more.15:31
rick_hbrousch: have you found a way to just play a whole artist in google music?15:31
snap-l*squeezebox*15:31
brouschon the web view, click Artists, select one, click Play15:31
rick_hugh, but if you search an artist you don't see it15:33
rick_hand wtf, I hate when things include "The .." in sorting15:33
brouschhm, searching an artist works for me. has a dropdown box with autocompleted artists15:33
rick_hright, but select an artist and you get a list of albums15:34
rick_hI want to play all content by that artist from that search results15:34
brouschi get all of the songs15:35
rick_hI get a result set of the artist with a block for each album15:35
brouschthe selections have a type by them15:35
rick_hright, I got that15:35
snap-lhttp://stores.7digital.com/default.aspx?shop=265&partner=98315:35
rick_hso let's say I select "The Doors - artist"15:35
rick_hI get a page with the 4 albums I have by them15:35
rick_hI can play each album, but can't "play all doors" from here15:36
brouschif you start playing one it just moves to the next automatically15:36
brouschso at the end of the first album it will jump to the next15:36
brouschbasically whatever is on the screen when you start playing becomes your playlist15:37
brouschand you can click around without messing it up. you can get back to it by clicking the little thumbnail rithg of the >> on the bottom. if you start playing something else, that becomes your new current playlist15:38
brouschthis seems really similar to juju http://adrian.org.ar/python/automatic-setup-of-django-nginx-and-gunicorn-on-ec215:47
rick_ha little bit, it doens't have the coordination between services and such it would seem15:55
rick_hbut a lightweight ec2 specific version sure15:55
rick_h(so can't use this with lxc or such locally, HP cloud, etc)15:56
brouschlxc?15:57
rick_hlight weight virtual machines15:57
rick_hhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/LXC15:58
greg-gnow, that was neat. I'm using mosh (mosh.mit.edu) and this ssh session just kept on trucking after resume from suspend after 2 days :)16:01
rick_hvery cool16:01
greg-g(I mean, I had to screen -raAd since I took over the screen session at home, but, whatever)16:01
jrwrenLXC is just modern vserver16:02
jrwrenjuju rules can work with LXC ?16:02
jrwreni'm too afraid to try mosh.16:02
jrwrenwhoa... libvirt LXC support. this is new to me. sounds awesome.16:02
jrwrenholy shit, if I can testdrive with LXC!!! that would be so sweet!16:02
krondorjrwren:  aye, juju docs actually encourage lxc for local testing before you rack up your costs on ec2 or something.16:03
jrwrenall the packages, but single kernel.16:03
rick_hjrwren: yea, a lot of the juju work is done locally via lxc16:03
jrwrenkrondor: ty, that is awesome.16:03
rick_hLP is using lxc to do parallel test runs. Break the tests up into parts, fire up LXC on a multi core machine, and let each LXC crank through the tests16:04
jrwrenha!16:04
rick_hthink they tested it on a large ec2 box with 8 or 16 'cores' and got testing from 6hrs to 50min16:04
jrwrenintegration tests I assume?16:04
rick_hall tests16:04
jrwrenimpressive.16:04
rick_h17k+ of them16:04
jrwrenif they are unit tests they should be able to run in parallel without even the overhead of LXC16:05
jrwrenthere must be some state that requires isolation?16:05
rick_hyea, I'm not on teh team so not sure how they split the workload16:05
rick_hyea, zope provides some test tools for creating isolated 'layers' during runs. I'm not into how it all works yet16:05
rick_hbut that's also JS tests, background tests, all kinds of crap16:06
rick_hhttp://benjamin.mako.hill.usesthis.com/ awesome in so many ways16:23
rick_hman, I love this guy, thinkpad, model M, awesome WM, zsh...what? emacs->vim and back to emacs? ugh16:26
rick_hbooo scuttle vs bookie16:27
greg-g"The college police department once showed up at my dorm room to investigate a noise complaint at 4AM. It was me typing. No joke."16:27
rick_hI love that, I have a new goal in life16:27
greg-grick_h: you know mako, right?16:27
rick_hwell met him once when he was in town to talk for something16:28
greg-gweren't you at that BWW when he and someone else were in town at Dearborn or something16:28
rick_hmet up at a bar at some point16:28
greg-gright right, that16:28
rick_hyea16:28
greg-g:)16:28
rick_hneed to get the FF extension finished and get him on bookie vs scuttle :)16:28
greg-grick_h: YES!16:28
greg-ghe's a diehard Fx fan because of Zotero16:28
rick_hah, cool16:29
rick_hit is like reading a mirror as far as tools/tech though16:30
greg-gman, that is a long and thorough writeup16:33
rick_hyea, very much so16:33
* greg-g is impressed16:33
greg-grick_h: shared the mako thing in other channel, buddy in there said:16:39
greg-g12:37 <    willkg> he doesn't mention pyblosxom, though. :(16:39
greg-g(mako uses it, and willkg is the author of it)16:40
rick_h:(16:40
rick_his that still going? I should check that out again16:40
snap-lBoo, bose speakers.16:45
snap-l(was re: mako's setup)16:46
rick_hgotcha16:47
jrwrenzotero?16:49
greg-gjrwren: the citation management etc Fx plugin16:51
greg-gsnap-l: yeah, no one's perfect ;)16:51
greg-g"no highs, no lows, must be bose"16:51
jrwrenmako's post is nice.16:53
jrwreni'm pretty much running my dream setup. *sigh* OSX :(16:54
rick_hwe had OSX users at CHC last night, felt so dirty!16:54
jrwrenbut my vim setup is great as is my firefox.16:54
jrwrennewsblur looks good. I should get off greader and into that.16:55
rick_hno j/k :/16:55
rick_hbut is python it looks like16:56
rick_hdjango even16:56
greg-gyeah, ditto re newsblur16:57
snap-lI've started reconsidering moving back to rss2email17:00
snap-land just filter it into a folder17:00
snap-lmostly because I don't have much of the impetus to share or view other shares like I used to17:01
snap-lThey mishandled sharing in Google Reader17:01
brouschsnap-l: i have mine setup so if i star an item in greader an ifttt rule grabs it and sends it to FB and twitter. g+ sharing is obvious17:05
jcastrohmm, what is this newsblur17:08
snap-lbrousch: Right, but the reason I moved to greader was because other people were sharing.17:08
snap-land now that's in G+17:08
snap-lso I can again be an island.17:08
rick_hgreader is just a good reader, has a nice mobile app17:09
rick_hnewsblur demo seems slow, ui very busy, no keyboard shortcuts17:09
rick_hshare/smare, I just want to process my feeds quickly17:09
snap-lrick_h: Yeah, and I have that infrastructure already.17:11
snap-lIt's called e-mail. :)17:11
greg-ghmmmm... I like the idea of rss2email, but I do still get a kick out of sharing stuff I find interesting (especially when people comment on it, which does happen sometimes ;) )17:12
snap-lAnd I can paste a link17:13
snap-lThanks, I think you just tipped me over the edge. ;)17:14
jcastroomg17:14
jcastrohttp://www.dollarshaveclub.com/17:14
jcastrowatch the video17:14
snap-lMan, the dollars have clubs?17:14
greg-gsnap-l: :) glad I could help17:14
greg-gsnap-l++17:15
jcastrothe video is brilliant17:15
greg-gugh, he really annoys me17:15
snap-ljcastro: Next you'll be telling me there's no expert sex change17:15
jcastropity it's cartridge blades, I switched to a safety razor last month17:16
snap-lJust get a different beard17:16
jcastroI am now as frugal and hippie as any average greg-g17:16
snap-llike the almost peach-fuzz that comes out of my face.17:16
greg-gjcastro: yay!17:17
jrwrennewsblur slow, busy ui, no kb shortcuts.... nothing like all the rest of mako configu.17:21
greg-gso, really, no kb shortcuts?17:22
rick_hyea, but OSS rss isn't a big thing out there17:22
rick_hgreg-g: well I tried loading a feed and j/k'ing with no success17:22
rick_hhaven't checked the docs/source17:22
greg-gn for next17:23
greg-gnot sure what previous is17:23
jrwrenlol @ dollar shave club17:23
jcastroyea greader's vim shortcuts are like, awesome17:23
greg-goh, and j/k does work17:23
greg-gthere's a whole keyboard shortcuts thingy in the settings17:23
jcastromy problem with greader (and now G+) is they have more space for meta crap instead of content17:23
jrwreni've been using safety razor for years. cartridge=scam17:23
jcastrojrwren: yeah I went all out last month, got all new gear.17:24
jrwrenbadger brush?17:24
jcastroyeah17:24
jrwrennice.17:24
jcastroI have a ton of soaps and all sorts of different shaving creams, sticks, and stuff17:24
jcastroI have been doing a bunch of experimenting17:24
greg-grick_h: http://grossmeier.net/files/tmp/NewsBlur_kb.png17:25
jcastroMy brother is in chile and every month he comes to visit to finish school, and each month I give him cartridge razors because they are so expensive overseas17:25
jcastroand it's like, $30 for 617:25
jcastroso instead I bought him a nice chrome plated set of stuff he can keep forever, and the razors are like $30 for a year's worth17:25
rick_hgreg-g: ok, I take it back I guess.17:26
rick_hsnap-l: heh, so I just got an email about mug on tues17:26
jcastrojrwren: https://picasaweb.google.com/116015965439782966698/RandomCrap#573056713130734467417:29
brouschjrwren, the shaving hipster17:29
jcastro(my stuff is the previous pic17:30
greg-gjcastro: holy cow, you should move to SF!17:30
jcastrohah yeah17:30
jcastroI only recently found out it's also a hipster trend17:31
greg-gtoo many things are :)17:32
greg-gthey taint them all17:32
greg-gbecause you can't do them without being called out on it, (see above) :)17:32
brouschyouarecorrectsir17:32
brouschwhen the hipsters start doing something, i stop. so now i have a beard17:33
brouschthis makes me the ultimate hipster17:33
jcastrohipsters can have beards17:33
brouschi shave with knives i flintknapped myself17:34
greg-gbrousch: you're such a paleo-hipster17:34
jcastrohah17:34
greg-gI assume all anthro geeks know this, but I assume you heard the story about an archaeologist who flintknapped the scalpes he had his surgeon use for some surgery and how he had less scaring because they're way sharper than metal blades?17:35
greg-gscalpes? haha, scalples, scalpels?17:36
* greg-g can't spell some days17:36
jrwrenits not hipster.17:36
jrwrenits totally CHEAP17:36
brouschit's hip to be cheap due to the recession17:36
jrwrenjcastro: that omega soap is pretty nice, I've used it.17:37
jrwreni have that same razor and stand.17:37
jrwrenerr... no different stand and different brush.17:37
jrwrenbut same razor17:37
rick_h15863517:38
jcastroI am kind of overdoing it17:41
rick_hdammit17:41
jcastroany money I would have saved is gone by trying out all these handmade soaps and other greg stuff17:41
rick_hlol17:41
jcastrolike, I am looking at handmade shaving scuttles now, etc.17:41
rick_hgeeze, quite the collection there17:42
rick_hscuttle?17:42
jcastroit's a double mug17:43
rick_hhmm, I've always thoght of taking razor to head vs the short trim I do now, wonder if this stuff would work ok for it17:43
jcastroyou can pour hot water inbetween sections17:43
greg-gjcastro: yes, but, it isn't all about the saved money, is it? Its also about supporting your local hand crafted artisan green organic grass feed pastured unbleached unscented recycled soy dyed carbon offset products, right?17:43
jcastroso your lather in the top bow stays warm17:43
jcastrogreg-g: man, it's like you're living Portlandia17:43
greg-g:)17:43
greg-gtook me a few to get all of those :)17:44
jcastroI think the biggest change is the move from alcohol shaving cream to mostly glycerine stuff17:44
jcastrothat's what made the difference for me17:44
jcastromy face is like healthier and stuff, no more bumps, etc.17:45
jcastrogreg-g: here you go:17:45
jcastro"I feel better connected with the natural things around me"17:45
rick_hlol17:46
rick_hjcastro: you need to get out of FL before they turn you into a beach bum down there17:46
greg-gjcastro: see, you're getting it already!17:46
jcastrotoo late!17:46
greg-gjcastro may out hippy me someday, it sounds like17:47
jcastroIn exactly 3:45 hours/mins I am going to the pool.17:47
* rick_h can't fathom this17:47
jrwren<3 Portlandia.17:47
jrwrenthe spirit of the 90s is still alive...17:47
jrwrenin portland17:47
jcastrorick_h: don't laugh, I am bringing all this kit to UDS, I know you will dig it.17:47
jcastrothis has Rick nerd-passion written all over it17:47
rick_hjcastro: yea, I've already wishlisted a few things17:47
rick_hshaving and I don't agree17:48
jcastronor me17:48
rick_hand I've tried all kinds of electric/etc17:48
rick_hso if your praising it's tempting17:48
jrwrenoh no.17:48
rick_hbut sounds complicated like I'll have to read stuff17:48
jrwrenelectric is terrible.17:48
jcastroI still only shave every other day17:48
jrwrenthis is what got me going: http://artofmanliness.com/2008/01/04/how-to-shave-like-your-grandpa/17:48
jcastrobut when your face stops being butchered it actually is like, a pampering experience17:48
rick_hI only do twice a week, face can't take it more17:48
rick_hbookmarked...17:49
jrwrenthat is all i ever read17:49
jcastrohttp://www.reddit.com/r/wicked_edge17:49
jcastromine was we were in the mall17:49
jcastroand jill didn't know what to get me for my birthday17:49
jcastroand we went to art of shaving17:49
jcastrothen she spent all this money on me17:49
greg-gdid jcastro just say "pampering"?17:50
jcastroand then I got home and researched and realized I could have done it for the fraction of the price17:50
jcastrogreg-g: yes17:50
jcastropampering17:50
jcastrolike ... the feeling you get when getting a massage, etc.17:50
greg-g:)17:50
jcastrorick_h: plus the best part is, no matter how long you take, you'll still be done waaaay earlier than she will anyway17:51
rick_hlol17:51
snap-lTMI17:52
jcastroseriously if I was in MI, I would submit an ignite talk on this stuff17:52
jcastrorick_h: I already know you will end up like me17:53
rick_hlol17:53
jcastrowe're going to end up  looking for WW2-era gillettes, restoring them on the weekend17:53
rick_hman, I'm that predictable am I/17:54
rick_h?17:54
jcastroyep17:54
jcastroI know craig would be too, but he's not cursed with beards like we are17:54
brouscha beard is not a curse17:54
brouschmaybe a scraggly beard is17:54
snap-lI have converted to rss2email17:55
snap-lbrousch: I have a scraggly ceard17:55
snap-lbeard, even17:55
snap-lI look like a teenager trying to grow a chin all the tim17:55
snap-lFinding it interesting how many feeds I have have gone awol17:56
snap-lbut google reader never told me17:56
greg-gsnap-l: yeah, ditto17:57
greg-gman, why am I balking at newsblur now? I was ready to do the $12 a year for unlimited feeds, but seeing that the only android client costs $1 made we pause?17:57
rick_hgreg-g: crazy how that goes isn't it?17:58
greg-gpeople are weird17:59
rick_hI do that sometimes, "ok, $100 in...wtf...another $10 for shipping, screw that"17:59
greg-gexactly17:59
jrwrenyay amazon EBS!  our volume experienced a failure due to multiple failures of the underlying hardware components and we were unable to recover it.17:59
greg-geek17:59
rick_hjrwren: doh :/17:59
rick_hebs snapshot recently?17:59
brouschyikes18:00
jrwrenno idea. its our teams.18:00
brouschisn't that impossible?18:00
rick_hbrousch: no, nothing is impossible18:00
brouschit's the cloud!18:00
jrwrenthat is waht i find so amuzing18:01
rick_heverything can eventually fail. redundant is only so if part of it stays up18:01
greg-gbrousch: you sound like a manager I know. "cloud" == "unicorns and pixie dust"18:02
rick_hbasically18:02
brouschpixie dusted unicorns are impossible to kill18:02
greg-gbrousch: "why don't we just use the cloud to speed up ...." "hey US Gov't, it's called 'the cloud', you should try it sometime" (in response to a DOL webapp not always working)18:02
jrwrenrofl18:19
brouschjrwren: this just in "DreamHost2:07 PM  -  Involver  -  PublicAll support tickets that are related to the Irvine Data Center outage are being filtered and will be responded to in a block message due to the amount coming in. Thank you for your patience."18:25
brouschit looks like you're not the only one with big issues today18:26
jrwrenlol.18:31
krondorugh reading the scrollback makes me want to invest more time in my setup...18:59
rick_hkrondor: you shaving or computing setup?19:00
rick_h:P19:00
jrwrenrazor setup?19:01
krondorargh both I think19:03
krondorthough I hate shaving, but you guys did a good job on 'the pitch'.19:03
brouschyes, they left out the mess and time investments19:04
brouschand the bloodletting as you learn19:04
greg-gmmmm, blood letting19:08
jrwreni now know too much about greg-g's sex life.19:25
krondorhmm penguicon talk times are finalized it seems, and I'm on for Friday only! Woot.  Means low stress Sat/Sun. http://penguicon2012.sched.org/19:27
rick_hkrondor: same here yay19:28
snap-lDid someone let the ossmichigan.org domain expire?20:44
greg-gruh roh20:49
rick_hsnap-l: probably, we were supposed to be setting up the planet on mug21:13
snap-lAh, OK21:15
snap-lJust noticed the feed was dead.21:15
greg-gwonder if the opml/whatever is saved somewhere?21:17
rick_hyea, no idae21:26
rick_hidea that is21:26
greg-glol, snap-l will like this:21:33
greg-gco worker just said they got a homeopathic remedy for their hay fever, they only used a half dose and they feel worse21:33
greg-gshouldn't it be STRONGER?!?!21:33
greg-gsorry, off-topic21:34
greg-gback on topic: So annoying that Google Docs can do a better job at rendering .docs better than LO.22:00
rick_hjcastro: what's the soap I'm supposed to start out with?22:56
rick_hgetting razor/brush to try out22:56
greg-glol22:56
rick_hoh come on, if it's better shaving I've got to at least try it, not sure I need the blade 'variety pack'22:56
greg-gI know, it is just awesome seeing you get an idea in your head and you run with it faster than most. I put it on a todo list, mull over it for a while, forget about it, then remember in a month "oh yeah, I should do that" and finally do :)22:57
rick_hwell I'm nothing if short fused on playing with new things22:57
jcastrorick_h: hang on22:58
jcastroI made a beginner kit list on amazon22:58
greg-gwow, this is getting intense22:58
jcastrohttp://www.amazon.com/registry/wishlist/29PLHU5C60F75/ref=cm_wl_rlist_go_o22:58
jcastroactually that merkur part is a bit hardcore22:59
rick_hyea, no kidding. Wasn't going there22:59
jcastrobut I know Rick, he's an engineer, and he can appreciate a razor made from one BLOCK OF PURE STEEL22:59
rick_hhell yea, I used to make stuff out of blocks of pure steel22:59
greg-ghah, getting started? $175 plz22:59
jcastrothose merkur razors, nice22:59
jcastrothey're like $40 though22:59
jcastrobut it's like, the only one you ever buy22:59
rick_hyea, got the merkur heavy duty in the cart and a badger brush22:59
jcastropity we did not learn this in our 20's23:00
jcastrook so you need soap?23:00
rick_hyea, that's the hang up23:00
rick_hthe article has like 6 different things, it's all over the map23:00
jcastrohttp://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B00008X5CH?tag=adapas02-2023:00
jcastroit's also at your local CVS for like $1.5023:00
jcastrobut I am not a pro, that's the soap I got when I started and it's still around23:00
jcastroyou need that and then steal one of your soup bowls23:01
jcastrorick_h: if you want to not go with soap23:02
jcastrothis is what I got my brother: http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B000JY0X4U?tag=adapas02-2023:02
jcastrothat's like a year's worth23:02
rick_hok, thanks, that helps23:03
jcastrothe nice thing about that is you just plunk your brush in there and then lather your face23:03
jcastrothe soap you need a bowl, etc.23:03
jcastrowhich is fun23:04
jcastrobut takes longer23:04
jcastroat some point you'll mix and match soap and cream into your own concoctions23:04
jcastrohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjhIy9rgWQU23:04
jcastro^^ there are three of these23:04
jcastrowatch those too23:04
jcastrothat outta be enough23:04
jcastroignore the whole "zen" greg hippie crap23:04
rick_hlol23:04
jcastroalso, that guy kind of reminds me of snap-l23:05
rick_hok, done23:05
rick_hwe'll see monday23:05
jcastrooh hey23:05
jcastrobadger brush right?23:05
rick_hyea23:06
* jcastro nods23:06
jcastrorick_h: in the video I linked, you can ignore the product recommendations23:07
jcastroI just get what's on amazon23:07
rick_hcool23:08
jcastroand the razors that come with your razor will last you a few weeks anyway23:08
rick_hyea, that's what I figure.23:08
jcastrothis guy has good videos23:09

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