[00:04] <jrwren> was it outkast that said something like "y aknow, as much as I hate this motha fucka, i love this mohta fucka "
[00:04] <jrwren> that is the USA
[00:34] <jrwren> GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!  5.5 weeks after i start a new job and I get offered a job for the #1 company on my list for whom to work #firstworldproblems
[00:36] <rick_h> jrwren: dude, what's #1? I'm curious now
[00:36] <rick_h> but awesome on getting the offer, major bummer on the timing
[00:51] <greg-g> MS
[02:44] <rick_h> so that was awesome, three new peeps at chc in one night
[02:49] <Blazeix> yeah, it was a really fun night
[02:51] <rick_h> *sigh* crossed 48hrs and still backing up to nas
[02:54] <waldo323_> best case for getting called to help out with a virus... dad had it cleaned by the time I got there to help :)
[02:55] <rick_h> yay1
[02:55] <rick_h> yay! looks better
[02:55] <Blazeix> sad. I tried to install meteor on my arch machine, and the installer says "Unable to install. Meteor supports RedHat and Debian"
[02:55] <Blazeix> it's a god damn shell script. come on.
[02:55] <rick_h> ouch
[02:56] <Blazeix> cool, already a PKGBUILD for it
[02:56] <snap-l> ugh
[02:56] <snap-l> any way to d/l the shell script and overrie?
[02:56] <Blazeix> i'll use the PKGBUILD, someone in the arch community already did the work
[02:57] <Blazeix> it just downloads the deb and unpacks it, it looksl ike
[02:57] <Blazeix> *looks like
[03:01] <greg-g> wow, Blue Systems is growing
[03:02] <greg-g> two canonical employees are now going to be working on Kubuntu there
[03:02] <rick_h> yea, if only I could see wtf blue systems is
[03:03] <greg-g> haha, yeah, there's still that :)
[03:10] <snap-l> If only there were a commercial enterprise dedicated to contributing to KDE
[03:11] <snap-l> Oh, wait, there are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE#Commercial_enterprises
[03:11] <Blazeix> ah yes, good old Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB
[03:12] <snap-l> KDE, the Fahrvergnügen of the desktop
[04:06] <rick_h> hey derekv, sounds like a familiar name
[04:11] <derekv> hi
[04:12] <derekv> anyways I saw about MUG on twitter
[04:14] <derekv> I have you in my twitter feed.
[04:17] <rick_h> ah, coolness
[04:19] <derekv> something about "MUG" rang a bell, and I looked, and I was like, hey look that guy holding up a mic preamp (or whatever that is) lives in mi, and there's a thing going on, and its a mile from my house, holy crap
[04:22] <rick_h> lol, awesome, what's your twitter account?
[04:22] <derekv> @derekverlee
[07:46] <jrwren> xamarin was the #1 place
[09:35] <smoser> snap-l, when you arrive, perhaps you can help
[09:35] <smoser> http://askubuntu.com/questions/121288/installed-12-04-on-lenovo-x120e-now-i-cant-boot
[11:11] <snap-l> smoser: I haven't run into that, fortunately
[11:12] <snap-l> Though the last step that you did looks familiar
[11:13] <snap-l> But after I couldn't boot, I wiped the machine and started fresh
[11:14] <snap-l> smoser: I have just let Ubuntu do the partitioning rather than manually partition, because invariably if I set it up manually, it never works.
[13:33] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:33] <rick_h> morning
[13:34] <brousch> morn
[13:34] <snap-l> Welcome, derekv. I'm the guy with the tank shirt.
[13:34] <jrwren> good morning
[13:37]  * brousch shudders at the thought of snap-l in a tank-top 
[13:38] <jrwren> ditto
[13:40] <brousch> jrwren: what's the best way to connect to a server from osx over sftp?
[13:40] <brousch> finder does not seem to understand sft
[13:45] <brousch> jrwren: nvm, i found it
[13:45] <brousch> seems strange it's not installed by default
[13:48] <jrwren> it is installed by default.
[13:48] <jrwren> (venv)jwren@eng-6-70:{}~ $ which sftp
[13:48] <jrwren> /usr/bin/sftp
[13:49] <jrwren> it even integrates with KeyChain.App, which is good or bad depending on the type of user you are :)
[13:51] <brousch> i mean no gui is installed and finder doesn't understand it
[13:52] <brousch> i installed macfuse and sshfs
[13:53] <brousch> dolphin and nautilus have spiled me
[13:55] <jrwren> oh.
[13:55] <jrwren> lol, nope, no gui AFAIK
[13:55] <jrwren> I am a cmd line guy. i rarely use finder
[13:55] <jrwren> and I never use dolphin or nautilus
[13:55] <brousch> i need to copy gobs of files. that's annoying with command line sftp
[13:56] <jrwren> that has not been my experience.
[14:21] <rick_h> ok, cloud search is interesting from aws
[14:21] <jrwren> agreed
[14:21] <rick_h> might be the way to scale out bookie search if it ever gets big
[14:22] <rick_h> vs setting up/managing solr servers
[14:26] <rick_h> http://www.aviiq.com/pages/ready-clips ok pretty usb cables
[14:26] <brousch> aws cloud search?
[14:27] <snap-l> rick_h: Nice, but I can see those having limited functionality.
[14:27] <brousch> amazon rolls out so much stuff i can't keep track
[14:27] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, but nice travel functionality
[14:27] <rick_h> brousch: you must follow the aws blog :)
[14:27] <snap-l> you'd have to have your device parallel to the port.
[14:28] <snap-l> It's a parallel port. ;)
[14:28] <rick_h> http://aws.typepad.com/
[14:28] <rick_h> they bend
[14:28] <rick_h> but yea, not sure how much they'll hold a bend
[14:28] <snap-l> rick_h: Like a SATA cable
[14:29] <brousch> i'm such a cheap bastard. any price over $9.99/mo turns me off
[14:33] <snap-l> Heh
[14:43] <brousch> rick_h: did you look at https://github.com/klen/zeta-library ? supposed to be a more complete version of python-scss
[14:44] <rick_h> brousch: no, seems like a lot more than I need to deal with
[14:45] <rick_h> ugh, doctests...
[14:45] <brousch> heh
[14:46]  * brousch imagines rick_h putting away his APPROVED stamp and pulling out his REVOKED stamp
[14:46] <rick_h> pretty much...
[14:46] <rick_h> no I mean I just need the sass stuff which is in two files it looks like and seems ok
[14:47] <rick_h> I don't see it providing the command line commands I need, but it's probably meta wrapped somewhere else
[14:47] <rick_h> I'm pretty happy with pyscss
[14:47] <rick_h> it's got some warts, but working well for me
[14:48] <jrwren> snap-l: I just put on Alice In Chains' Facelift. It sounds great! I am noticing the lack of compression! :)
[14:48] <snap-l> jrwren: Squeezebox?
[14:48] <jrwren> yes
[14:48] <brousch> ah, geekers, i was comparing to a different python-scss
[14:48] <jrwren> snap-l: but i mean master compression, ya know?
[14:48] <jrwren> not lossy compression
[14:54] <snap-l> Is this a remastered version?
[14:57] <jrwren> no
[14:57] <jrwren> ripped by me from my 1993ish purchased CD
[14:57] <jrwren> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmN2PH5uKg
[14:58] <snap-l> jrwren: Just wondering why the sudden enthusiasm. ;)
[15:17] <jrwren> oh, its been a while since I listened to an album that wasn't over produced I guess.
[15:21] <rick_h> ok, this is a bit strange tbh: http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2012/04/12/a-sneak-peek-of-send-to-ubuntu-one/
[15:25] <brousch> be nice for mobile
[15:26] <brousch> for instance, if i find something i want while on android, i'd download it and move it to dropbox so it would be on my computer. this would do it all in one step
[15:26] <rick_h> right so this seems for publishers not for normal consumers
[15:26] <brousch> right
[15:27] <rick_h> the site would have to support this, but then they've got something so tied into U1 and only U!
[15:27] <brousch> i assume download to U1 would be one of many options
[15:27] <brousch> download to Dropbox
[15:27] <brousch> download old school
[15:27] <snap-l> I think it's to complete with Amazon's cloud services
[15:28] <snap-l> so when you buy music from places other than Ubuntu One (which I can't tell if it's still in business or not), you could have the tracks automagically sent to your cloud drive.
[15:28] <snap-l> or your ebooks, or whatever
[15:28] <snap-l> It's a bit of a catch-up move, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
[15:28] <rick_h> right, but if you buy them from U1 it's already synced right? So this would have to be just third parties
[15:28] <rick_h> well interesting I guess
[15:28] <snap-l> Only for U1
[15:29] <snap-l> but lets say they partner with Baen books
[15:29] <snap-l> or emusic or any of the other online stores
[15:29] <snap-l> Magnatune, for instance.
[15:29] <snap-l> It opens it up outside of the U1 music store
[15:30] <snap-l> which I'm wondering if 7digital backed out.
[15:30] <snap-l> because they redesigned the site, and broke Banshee
[15:31] <snap-l> Frankly, if they had an option that didn't require me to use the player, I'd use it more.
[15:31] <rick_h> brousch: have you found a way to just play a whole artist in google music?
[15:31] <snap-l> *squeezebox*
[15:31] <brousch> on the web view, click Artists, select one, click Play
[15:33] <rick_h> ugh, but if you search an artist you don't see it
[15:33] <rick_h> and wtf, I hate when things include "The .." in sorting
[15:33] <brousch> hm, searching an artist works for me. has a dropdown box with autocompleted artists
[15:34] <rick_h> right, but select an artist and you get a list of albums
[15:34] <rick_h> I want to play all content by that artist from that search results
[15:35] <brousch> i get all of the songs
[15:35] <rick_h> I get a result set of the artist with a block for each album
[15:35] <brousch> the selections have a type by them
[15:35] <rick_h> right, I got that
[15:35] <snap-l> http://stores.7digital.com/default.aspx?shop=265&partner=983
[15:35] <rick_h> so let's say I select "The Doors - artist"
[15:35] <rick_h> I get a page with the 4 albums I have by them
[15:36] <rick_h> I can play each album, but can't "play all doors" from here
[15:36] <brousch> if you start playing one it just moves to the next automatically
[15:36] <brousch> so at the end of the first album it will jump to the next
[15:37] <brousch> basically whatever is on the screen when you start playing becomes your playlist
[15:38] <brousch> and you can click around without messing it up. you can get back to it by clicking the little thumbnail rithg of the >> on the bottom. if you start playing something else, that becomes your new current playlist
[15:47] <brousch> this seems really similar to juju http://adrian.org.ar/python/automatic-setup-of-django-nginx-and-gunicorn-on-ec2
[15:55] <rick_h> a little bit, it doens't have the coordination between services and such it would seem
[15:55] <rick_h> but a lightweight ec2 specific version sure
[15:56] <rick_h> (so can't use this with lxc or such locally, HP cloud, etc)
[15:57] <brousch> lxc?
[15:57] <rick_h> light weight virtual machines
[15:58] <rick_h> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LXC
[16:01] <greg-g> now, that was neat. I'm using mosh (mosh.mit.edu) and this ssh session just kept on trucking after resume from suspend after 2 days :)
[16:01] <rick_h> very cool
[16:01] <greg-g> (I mean, I had to screen -raAd since I took over the screen session at home, but, whatever)
[16:02] <jrwren> LXC is just modern vserver
[16:02] <jrwren> juju rules can work with LXC ?
[16:02] <jrwren> i'm too afraid to try mosh.
[16:02] <jrwren> whoa... libvirt LXC support. this is new to me. sounds awesome.
[16:02] <jrwren> holy shit, if I can testdrive with LXC!!! that would be so sweet!
[16:03] <krondor> jrwren:  aye, juju docs actually encourage lxc for local testing before you rack up your costs on ec2 or something.
[16:03] <jrwren> all the packages, but single kernel.
[16:03] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, a lot of the juju work is done locally via lxc
[16:03] <jrwren> krondor: ty, that is awesome.
[16:04] <rick_h> LP is using lxc to do parallel test runs. Break the tests up into parts, fire up LXC on a multi core machine, and let each LXC crank through the tests
[16:04] <jrwren> ha!
[16:04] <rick_h> think they tested it on a large ec2 box with 8 or 16 'cores' and got testing from 6hrs to 50min
[16:04] <jrwren> integration tests I assume?
[16:04] <rick_h> all tests
[16:04] <jrwren> impressive.
[16:04] <rick_h> 17k+ of them
[16:05] <jrwren> if they are unit tests they should be able to run in parallel without even the overhead of LXC
[16:05] <jrwren> there must be some state that requires isolation?
[16:05] <rick_h> yea, I'm not on teh team so not sure how they split the workload
[16:05] <rick_h> yea, zope provides some test tools for creating isolated 'layers' during runs. I'm not into how it all works yet
[16:06] <rick_h> but that's also JS tests, background tests, all kinds of crap
[16:23] <rick_h> http://benjamin.mako.hill.usesthis.com/ awesome in so many ways
[16:26] <rick_h> man, I love this guy, thinkpad, model M, awesome WM, zsh...what? emacs->vim and back to emacs? ugh
[16:27] <rick_h> booo scuttle vs bookie
[16:27] <greg-g> "The college police department once showed up at my dorm room to investigate a noise complaint at 4AM. It was me typing. No joke."
[16:27] <rick_h> I love that, I have a new goal in life
[16:27] <greg-g> rick_h: you know mako, right?
[16:28] <rick_h> well met him once when he was in town to talk for something
[16:28] <greg-g> weren't you at that BWW when he and someone else were in town at Dearborn or something
[16:28] <rick_h> met up at a bar at some point
[16:28] <greg-g> right right, that
[16:28] <rick_h> yea
[16:28] <greg-g> :)
[16:28] <rick_h> need to get the FF extension finished and get him on bookie vs scuttle :)
[16:28] <greg-g> rick_h: YES!
[16:28] <greg-g> he's a diehard Fx fan because of Zotero
[16:29] <rick_h> ah, cool
[16:30] <rick_h> it is like reading a mirror as far as tools/tech though
[16:33] <greg-g> man, that is a long and thorough writeup
[16:33] <rick_h> yea, very much so
[16:33]  * greg-g is impressed
[16:39] <greg-g> rick_h: shared the mako thing in other channel, buddy in there said:
[16:39] <greg-g> 12:37 <    willkg> he doesn't mention pyblosxom, though. :(
[16:40] <greg-g> (mako uses it, and willkg is the author of it)
[16:40] <rick_h> :(
[16:40] <rick_h> is that still going? I should check that out again
[16:45] <snap-l> Boo, bose speakers.
[16:46] <snap-l> (was re: mako's setup)
[16:47] <rick_h> gotcha
[16:49] <jrwren> zotero?
[16:51] <greg-g> jrwren: the citation management etc Fx plugin
[16:51] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, no one's perfect ;)
[16:51] <greg-g> "no highs, no lows, must be bose"
[16:53] <jrwren> mako's post is nice.
[16:54] <jrwren> i'm pretty much running my dream setup. *sigh* OSX :(
[16:54] <rick_h> we had OSX users at CHC last night, felt so dirty!
[16:54] <jrwren> but my vim setup is great as is my firefox.
[16:55] <jrwren> newsblur looks good. I should get off greader and into that.
[16:55] <rick_h> no j/k :/
[16:56] <rick_h> but is python it looks like
[16:56] <rick_h> django even
[16:57] <greg-g> yeah, ditto re newsblur
[17:00] <snap-l> I've started reconsidering moving back to rss2email
[17:00] <snap-l> and just filter it into a folder
[17:01] <snap-l> mostly because I don't have much of the impetus to share or view other shares like I used to
[17:01] <snap-l> They mishandled sharing in Google Reader
[17:05] <brousch> snap-l: i have mine setup so if i star an item in greader an ifttt rule grabs it and sends it to FB and twitter. g+ sharing is obvious
[17:08] <jcastro> hmm, what is this newsblur
[17:08] <snap-l> brousch: Right, but the reason I moved to greader was because other people were sharing.
[17:08] <snap-l> and now that's in G+
[17:08] <snap-l> so I can again be an island.
[17:09] <rick_h> greader is just a good reader, has a nice mobile app
[17:09] <rick_h> newsblur demo seems slow, ui very busy, no keyboard shortcuts
[17:09] <rick_h> share/smare, I just want to process my feeds quickly
[17:11] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, and I have that infrastructure already.
[17:11] <snap-l> It's called e-mail. :)
[17:12] <greg-g> hmmmm... I like the idea of rss2email, but I do still get a kick out of sharing stuff I find interesting (especially when people comment on it, which does happen sometimes ;) )
[17:13] <snap-l> And I can paste a link
[17:14] <snap-l> Thanks, I think you just tipped me over the edge. ;)
[17:14] <jcastro> omg
[17:14] <jcastro> http://www.dollarshaveclub.com/
[17:14] <jcastro> watch the video
[17:14] <snap-l> Man, the dollars have clubs?
[17:14] <greg-g> snap-l: :) glad I could help
[17:15] <greg-g> snap-l++
[17:15] <jcastro> the video is brilliant
[17:15] <greg-g> ugh, he really annoys me
[17:15] <snap-l> jcastro: Next you'll be telling me there's no expert sex change
[17:16] <jcastro> pity it's cartridge blades, I switched to a safety razor last month
[17:16] <snap-l> Just get a different beard
[17:16] <jcastro> I am now as frugal and hippie as any average greg-g
[17:16] <snap-l> like the almost peach-fuzz that comes out of my face.
[17:17] <greg-g> jcastro: yay!
[17:21] <jrwren> newsblur slow, busy ui, no kb shortcuts.... nothing like all the rest of mako configu.
[17:22] <greg-g> so, really, no kb shortcuts?
[17:22] <rick_h> yea, but OSS rss isn't a big thing out there
[17:22] <rick_h> greg-g: well I tried loading a feed and j/k'ing with no success
[17:22] <rick_h> haven't checked the docs/source
[17:23] <greg-g> n for next
[17:23] <greg-g> not sure what previous is
[17:23] <jrwren> lol @ dollar shave club
[17:23] <jcastro> yea greader's vim shortcuts are like, awesome
[17:23] <greg-g> oh, and j/k does work
[17:23] <greg-g> there's a whole keyboard shortcuts thingy in the settings
[17:23] <jcastro> my problem with greader (and now G+) is they have more space for meta crap instead of content
[17:23] <jrwren> i've been using safety razor for years. cartridge=scam
[17:24] <jcastro> jrwren: yeah I went all out last month, got all new gear.
[17:24] <jrwren> badger brush?
[17:24] <jcastro> yeah
[17:24] <jrwren> nice.
[17:24] <jcastro> I have a ton of soaps and all sorts of different shaving creams, sticks, and stuff
[17:24] <jcastro> I have been doing a bunch of experimenting
[17:25] <greg-g> rick_h: http://grossmeier.net/files/tmp/NewsBlur_kb.png
[17:25] <jcastro> My brother is in chile and every month he comes to visit to finish school, and each month I give him cartridge razors because they are so expensive overseas
[17:25] <jcastro> and it's like, $30 for 6
[17:25] <jcastro> so instead I bought him a nice chrome plated set of stuff he can keep forever, and the razors are like $30 for a year's worth
[17:26] <rick_h> greg-g: ok, I take it back I guess.
[17:26] <rick_h> snap-l: heh, so I just got an email about mug on tues
[17:29] <jcastro> jrwren: https://picasaweb.google.com/116015965439782966698/RandomCrap#5730567131307344674
[17:29] <brousch> jrwren, the shaving hipster
[17:30] <jcastro> (my stuff is the previous pic
[17:30] <greg-g> jcastro: holy cow, you should move to SF!
[17:30] <jcastro> hah yeah
[17:31] <jcastro> I only recently found out it's also a hipster trend
[17:32] <greg-g> too many things are :)
[17:32] <greg-g> they taint them all
[17:32] <greg-g> because you can't do them without being called out on it, (see above) :)
[17:32] <brousch> youarecorrectsir
[17:33] <brousch> when the hipsters start doing something, i stop. so now i have a beard
[17:33] <brousch> this makes me the ultimate hipster
[17:33] <jcastro> hipsters can have beards
[17:34] <brousch> i shave with knives i flintknapped myself
[17:34] <greg-g> brousch: you're such a paleo-hipster
[17:34] <jcastro> hah
[17:35] <greg-g> I assume all anthro geeks know this, but I assume you heard the story about an archaeologist who flintknapped the scalpes he had his surgeon use for some surgery and how he had less scaring because they're way sharper than metal blades?
[17:36] <greg-g> scalpes? haha, scalples, scalpels?
[17:36]  * greg-g can't spell some days
[17:36] <jrwren> its not hipster.
[17:36] <jrwren> its totally CHEAP
[17:36] <brousch> it's hip to be cheap due to the recession
[17:37] <jrwren> jcastro: that omega soap is pretty nice, I've used it.
[17:37] <jrwren> i have that same razor and stand.
[17:37] <jrwren> err... no different stand and different brush.
[17:37] <jrwren> but same razor
[17:38] <rick_h> 158635
[17:41] <jcastro> I am kind of overdoing it
[17:41] <rick_h> dammit
[17:41] <jcastro> any money I would have saved is gone by trying out all these handmade soaps and other greg stuff
[17:41] <rick_h> lol
[17:41] <jcastro> like, I am looking at handmade shaving scuttles now, etc.
[17:42] <rick_h> geeze, quite the collection there
[17:42] <rick_h> scuttle?
[17:43] <jcastro> it's a double mug
[17:43] <rick_h> hmm, I've always thoght of taking razor to head vs the short trim I do now, wonder if this stuff would work ok for it
[17:43] <jcastro> you can pour hot water inbetween sections
[17:43] <greg-g> jcastro: yes, but, it isn't all about the saved money, is it? Its also about supporting your local hand crafted artisan green organic grass feed pastured unbleached unscented recycled soy dyed carbon offset products, right?
[17:43] <jcastro> so your lather in the top bow stays warm
[17:43] <jcastro> greg-g: man, it's like you're living Portlandia
[17:43] <greg-g> :)
[17:44] <greg-g> took me a few to get all of those :)
[17:44] <jcastro> I think the biggest change is the move from alcohol shaving cream to mostly glycerine stuff
[17:44] <jcastro> that's what made the difference for me
[17:45] <jcastro> my face is like healthier and stuff, no more bumps, etc.
[17:45] <jcastro> greg-g: here you go:
[17:45] <jcastro> "I feel better connected with the natural things around me"
[17:46] <rick_h> lol
[17:46] <rick_h> jcastro: you need to get out of FL before they turn you into a beach bum down there
[17:46] <greg-g> jcastro: see, you're getting it already!
[17:46] <jcastro> too late!
[17:47] <greg-g> jcastro may out hippy me someday, it sounds like
[17:47] <jcastro> In exactly 3:45 hours/mins I am going to the pool.
[17:47]  * rick_h can't fathom this
[17:47] <jrwren> <3 Portlandia.
[17:47] <jrwren> the spirit of the 90s is still alive...
[17:47] <jrwren> in portland
[17:47] <jcastro> rick_h: don't laugh, I am bringing all this kit to UDS, I know you will dig it.
[17:47] <jcastro> this has Rick nerd-passion written all over it
[17:47] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, I've already wishlisted a few things
[17:48] <rick_h> shaving and I don't agree
[17:48] <jcastro> nor me
[17:48] <rick_h> and I've tried all kinds of electric/etc
[17:48] <rick_h> so if your praising it's tempting
[17:48] <jrwren> oh no.
[17:48] <rick_h> but sounds complicated like I'll have to read stuff
[17:48] <jrwren> electric is terrible.
[17:48] <jcastro> I still only shave every other day
[17:48] <jrwren> this is what got me going: http://artofmanliness.com/2008/01/04/how-to-shave-like-your-grandpa/
[17:48] <jcastro> but when your face stops being butchered it actually is like, a pampering experience
[17:48] <rick_h> I only do twice a week, face can't take it more
[17:49] <rick_h> bookmarked...
[17:49] <jrwren> that is all i ever read
[17:49] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/wicked_edge
[17:49] <jcastro> mine was we were in the mall
[17:49] <jcastro> and jill didn't know what to get me for my birthday
[17:49] <jcastro> and we went to art of shaving
[17:49] <jcastro> then she spent all this money on me
[17:50] <greg-g> did jcastro just say "pampering"?
[17:50] <jcastro> and then I got home and researched and realized I could have done it for the fraction of the price
[17:50] <jcastro> greg-g: yes
[17:50] <jcastro> pampering
[17:50] <jcastro> like ... the feeling you get when getting a massage, etc.
[17:50] <greg-g> :)
[17:51] <jcastro> rick_h: plus the best part is, no matter how long you take, you'll still be done waaaay earlier than she will anyway
[17:51] <rick_h> lol
[17:52] <snap-l> TMI
[17:52] <jcastro> seriously if I was in MI, I would submit an ignite talk on this stuff
[17:53] <jcastro> rick_h: I already know you will end up like me
[17:53] <rick_h> lol
[17:53] <jcastro> we're going to end up  looking for WW2-era gillettes, restoring them on the weekend
[17:54] <rick_h> man, I'm that predictable am I/
[17:54] <rick_h> ?
[17:54] <jcastro> yep
[17:54] <jcastro> I know craig would be too, but he's not cursed with beards like we are
[17:54] <brousch> a beard is not a curse
[17:54] <brousch> maybe a scraggly beard is
[17:55] <snap-l> I have converted to rss2email
[17:55] <snap-l> brousch: I have a scraggly ceard
[17:55] <snap-l> beard, even
[17:55] <snap-l> I look like a teenager trying to grow a chin all the tim
[17:56] <snap-l> Finding it interesting how many feeds I have have gone awol
[17:56] <snap-l> but google reader never told me
[17:57] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, ditto
[17:57] <greg-g> man, why am I balking at newsblur now? I was ready to do the $12 a year for unlimited feeds, but seeing that the only android client costs $1 made we pause?
[17:58] <rick_h> greg-g: crazy how that goes isn't it?
[17:59] <greg-g> people are weird
[17:59] <rick_h> I do that sometimes, "ok, $100 in...wtf...another $10 for shipping, screw that"
[17:59] <greg-g> exactly
[17:59] <jrwren> yay amazon EBS!  our volume experienced a failure due to multiple failures of the underlying hardware components and we were unable to recover it.
[17:59] <greg-g> eek
[17:59] <rick_h> jrwren: doh :/
[17:59] <rick_h> ebs snapshot recently?
[18:00] <brousch> yikes
[18:00] <jrwren> no idea. its our teams.
[18:00] <brousch> isn't that impossible?
[18:00] <rick_h> brousch: no, nothing is impossible
[18:00] <brousch> it's the cloud!
[18:01] <jrwren> that is waht i find so amuzing
[18:01] <rick_h> everything can eventually fail. redundant is only so if part of it stays up
[18:02] <greg-g> brousch: you sound like a manager I know. "cloud" == "unicorns and pixie dust"
[18:02] <rick_h> basically
[18:02] <brousch> pixie dusted unicorns are impossible to kill
[18:02] <greg-g> brousch: "why don't we just use the cloud to speed up ...." "hey US Gov't, it's called 'the cloud', you should try it sometime" (in response to a DOL webapp not always working)
[18:19] <jrwren> rofl
[18:25] <brousch> jrwren: this just in "DreamHost2:07 PM  -  Involver  -  PublicAll support tickets that are related to the Irvine Data Center outage are being filtered and will be responded to in a block message due to the amount coming in. Thank you for your patience."
[18:26] <brousch> it looks like you're not the only one with big issues today
[18:31] <jrwren> lol.
[18:59] <krondor> ugh reading the scrollback makes me want to invest more time in my setup...
[19:00] <rick_h> krondor: you shaving or computing setup?
[19:00] <rick_h> :P
[19:01] <jrwren> razor setup?
[19:03] <krondor> argh both I think
[19:03] <krondor> though I hate shaving, but you guys did a good job on 'the pitch'.
[19:04] <brousch> yes, they left out the mess and time investments
[19:04] <brousch> and the bloodletting as you learn
[19:08] <greg-g> mmmm, blood letting
[19:25] <jrwren> i now know too much about greg-g's sex life.
[19:27] <krondor> hmm penguicon talk times are finalized it seems, and I'm on for Friday only! Woot.  Means low stress Sat/Sun. http://penguicon2012.sched.org/
[19:28] <rick_h> krondor: same here yay
[20:44] <snap-l> Did someone let the ossmichigan.org domain expire?
[20:49] <greg-g> ruh roh
[21:13] <rick_h> snap-l: probably, we were supposed to be setting up the planet on mug
[21:15] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[21:15] <snap-l> Just noticed the feed was dead.
[21:17] <greg-g> wonder if the opml/whatever is saved somewhere?
[21:26] <rick_h> yea, no idae
[21:26] <rick_h> idea that is
[21:33] <greg-g> lol, snap-l will like this:
[21:33] <greg-g> co worker just said they got a homeopathic remedy for their hay fever, they only used a half dose and they feel worse
[21:33] <greg-g> shouldn't it be STRONGER?!?!
[21:34] <greg-g> sorry, off-topic
[22:00] <greg-g> back on topic: So annoying that Google Docs can do a better job at rendering .docs better than LO.
[22:56] <rick_h> jcastro: what's the soap I'm supposed to start out with?
[22:56] <rick_h> getting razor/brush to try out
[22:56] <greg-g> lol
[22:56] <rick_h> oh come on, if it's better shaving I've got to at least try it, not sure I need the blade 'variety pack'
[22:57] <greg-g> I know, it is just awesome seeing you get an idea in your head and you run with it faster than most. I put it on a todo list, mull over it for a while, forget about it, then remember in a month "oh yeah, I should do that" and finally do :)
[22:57] <rick_h> well I'm nothing if short fused on playing with new things
[22:58] <jcastro> rick_h: hang on
[22:58] <jcastro> I made a beginner kit list on amazon
[22:58] <greg-g> wow, this is getting intense
[22:58] <jcastro> http://www.amazon.com/registry/wishlist/29PLHU5C60F75/ref=cm_wl_rlist_go_o
[22:59] <jcastro> actually that merkur part is a bit hardcore
[22:59] <rick_h> yea, no kidding. Wasn't going there
[22:59] <jcastro> but I know Rick, he's an engineer, and he can appreciate a razor made from one BLOCK OF PURE STEEL
[22:59] <rick_h> hell yea, I used to make stuff out of blocks of pure steel
[22:59] <greg-g> hah, getting started? $175 plz
[22:59] <jcastro> those merkur razors, nice
[22:59] <jcastro> they're like $40 though
[22:59] <jcastro> but it's like, the only one you ever buy
[22:59] <rick_h> yea, got the merkur heavy duty in the cart and a badger brush
[23:00] <jcastro> pity we did not learn this in our 20's
[23:00] <jcastro> ok so you need soap?
[23:00] <rick_h> yea, that's the hang up
[23:00] <rick_h> the article has like 6 different things, it's all over the map
[23:00] <jcastro> http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B00008X5CH?tag=adapas02-20
[23:00] <jcastro> it's also at your local CVS for like $1.50
[23:00] <jcastro> but I am not a pro, that's the soap I got when I started and it's still around
[23:01] <jcastro> you need that and then steal one of your soup bowls
[23:02] <jcastro> rick_h: if you want to not go with soap
[23:02] <jcastro> this is what I got my brother: http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B000JY0X4U?tag=adapas02-20
[23:02] <jcastro> that's like a year's worth
[23:03] <rick_h> ok, thanks, that helps
[23:03] <jcastro> the nice thing about that is you just plunk your brush in there and then lather your face
[23:03] <jcastro> the soap you need a bowl, etc.
[23:04] <jcastro> which is fun
[23:04] <jcastro> but takes longer
[23:04] <jcastro> at some point you'll mix and match soap and cream into your own concoctions
[23:04] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjhIy9rgWQU
[23:04] <jcastro> ^^ there are three of these
[23:04] <jcastro> watch those too
[23:04] <jcastro> that outta be enough
[23:04] <jcastro> ignore the whole "zen" greg hippie crap
[23:04] <rick_h> lol
[23:05] <jcastro> also, that guy kind of reminds me of snap-l
[23:05] <rick_h> ok, done
[23:05] <rick_h> we'll see monday
[23:05] <jcastro> oh hey
[23:05] <jcastro> badger brush right?
[23:06] <rick_h> yea
[23:06]  * jcastro nods
[23:07] <jcastro> rick_h: in the video I linked, you can ignore the product recommendations
[23:07] <jcastro> I just get what's on amazon
[23:08] <rick_h> cool
[23:08] <jcastro> and the razors that come with your razor will last you a few weeks anyway
[23:08] <rick_h> yea, that's what I figure.
[23:09] <jcastro> this guy has good videos