[10:55] <andygraybeal> morning
[10:56] <andygraybeal> whos at work?
[10:57] <andygraybeal> any release parties in the cbus area?
[10:57] <andygraybeal> or southeastern oh ?
[12:03] <andygraybeal> wake up wake up.
[12:03] <andygraybeal> who here is setting their work environment to 'gnome-failback' cause they don't want to deal with people bishing otherwise?
[12:04] <andygraybeal> cause that is most likely what i'm going to do
[12:04] <andygraybeal> maybe i'll have the option to give them the choice
[12:07] <andygraybeal> omg, you guys need more coffee
[13:20]  * andygraybeal makes second pot of coffee
[13:34] <paultag> morning folks
[13:34] <paultag> andygraybeal: yeah, I'm behind on the coffee train :(
[13:34] <andygraybeal> :)
[13:35] <paultag> oh great, now my web browser's broken
[13:35] <paultag> joy
[13:35] <paultag> oop, there it is
[13:40] <andygraybeal> it's gonna be a hawt night tonight down in southeastern ohio at my restaurant we got two great things: 1. a salsa made with local strawberries and paper lantern chiles and 2. an open doors drag show!   sashay! shante!  exciting!
[13:40] <paultag> haha, awesome
[13:40] <andygraybeal> the salsa is guaranteed to melt your face and the drag show will make you wet as well :)
[13:40] <andygraybeal> :)
[13:41] <andygraybeal> bro, i got that tilemill running and i couldn't get the files from the state to load cause they were too big!
[13:41] <andygraybeal> but the ones from our county work fnie
[13:41] <andygraybeal> *fine
[13:42] <paultag> hahaha
[13:42] <paultag> MA takes a few (10?) minutes or so to load
[13:42] <paultag> I was fighting with TileMill on Debian
[13:42] <paultag> super PITA
[13:42] <andygraybeal> yea, i think i have to compile it myself if i want to get it to run the data from the state.
[13:42] <paultag> I don't think so :)
[13:42] <andygraybeal> and set some filesize setting to 0
[13:43] <paultag> it's all nodejs, you can edit in place :)
[13:43] <andygraybeal> ah then, i couldn't figure out how to change the setting.
[13:43] <paultag> ah
[13:46] <andygraybeal> yea, there looks to be a 20MB  limit
[13:46] <andygraybeal> and i have a 36MB file
[13:46] <andygraybeal> and somethign about setting something to 0 would make this work.
[13:46] <andygraybeal> anyway, this was lastn ight and i'm at work now so i shouldn't be workign on it
[14:40] <thafreak> I love how the job title "systems administrator" basically just means, "what ever technical type tasks we want you to perform"
[14:40] <thafreak> Some companies, you need to know about electrical and generators
[14:41] <thafreak> some places you need to know about phone systems
[14:41] <thafreak> and some places, they want you to be a software developer too
[14:41] <thafreak> not, install and setup this software for us to use on a server...
[14:41] <thafreak> but also, hey this software doesn't work...fix it
[14:42] <thafreak> i'm switching to programming I think...might as well...
[14:42] <thafreak> devops
[15:02] <jrgifford> BUZZWORD.
[15:02] <jrgifford> devops is actually pretty cool though. :)
[15:02] <thafreak> i know...but i don't hate that buzzword yet
[15:03] <jrgifford> Oh, compared to "cloud", devops isn't a buzzword.
[15:03] <thafreak> as it's only being used by practitioners mainly now
[15:03] <thafreak> yes, i want to punch anyone who says cloud
[15:03] <thafreak> or "apps"
[15:03] <jrgifford> AHG APPS
[15:04] <jrgifford> although i will say that I am known to call a little hack i put together a "app". generally speaking though, what that means is that I'm just too bored to give it a proper name.
[15:06] <paultag> hiya jrgifford
[15:06] <jrgifford> howdy paultag
[15:07] <thafreak> for all those interested in ARM...
[15:07] <paultag> what's new?
[15:07] <thafreak> you can get the older v2 "pink" pogo plugs for $25
[15:07] <paultag> thafreak: I've reconsidered and decided salt might be the way to go with my thing
[15:07] <paultag> oh really?
[15:07] <paultag> can I get like 4 of them?
[15:07] <thafreak> probably
[15:08] <thafreak> I might order some more to hold me over till raspberry pi is more widely available
[15:08] <jrgifford> paultag: nothing much. how're you?
[15:08] <thafreak> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/763601-REG/Pogoplug_POGO_B01_B01_Multimedia_Sharing_Device.html
[15:10] <paultag> thafreak: can I run Debian on it?
[15:11] <paultag> jrgifford: Oh you know, living the dream
[15:11] <jrgifford> nice... i want one of those. jandrusk: Look above, there is a rasp pi alternative for you, you were looking for one a few weeks ago iirc.
[15:11] <jrgifford> paultag: :D
[15:12] <thafreak> yep, it will run debian squeeze atleast
[15:13] <thafreak> which is current stable anyway
[15:13] <paultag> thafreak: I live on the edge, jabroni
[15:13] <thafreak> well, haven't tried wheezy
[15:13] <paultag> I mean, I could wait until the ras-pi is around more
[15:13] <paultag> then cluster those
[15:14] <thafreak> but these are here now ;)
[15:14] <thafreak> and have gig-e
[15:14] <paultag> true
[15:14] <paultag> no, you're right
[15:14] <paultag> alpacahearder has some
[15:14] <thafreak> it's what runs this irssi session I'm using now :-O
[15:14] <paultag> (pogoplugs)
[15:14] <paultag> thafreak: oh really?
[15:14] <thafreak> yep...
[15:14] <paultag> hummmm
[15:15] <thafreak> it's what I have ssh poked through my firewall to
[15:15] <thafreak> since it's less likely to die than my bigger hardware
[15:15] <paultag> iiiiiiinteresting
[15:15] <thafreak> and i have usb-serial adapters plugged into it, and serial console to my VM hosts
[15:15] <paultag> thafreak: anyway - more relevent to right now - advice for salt?
[15:16] <thafreak> i'm still tinkering with it
[15:16] <thafreak> so far, the master of masters setup doesn't seem to work so hot
[15:16] <paultag> thafreak: if you feel like helping me on my quest, you'll get huge amounts of internet cred
[15:16] <paultag> like, huge
[15:16] <thafreak> might be how I have the one setup though
[15:16] <paultag> and a lot of people will be really thankful
[15:17] <thafreak> i'll help where I can
[15:17] <thafreak> I'm still toying and learning it myself
[15:17] <thafreak> but so far, it feels more natural than a puppet/puppet master setup
[15:17] <paultag> thafreak: if I set up a "build script" for the VM to run, can you saltize it?
[15:18] <thafreak> what kind of script we talking?
[15:18] <paultag> it'll be complex
[15:18] <paultag> and long running
[15:18] <thafreak> what lang
[15:18] <paultag> but it'll be simple to invoke
[15:18] <paultag> bash
[15:18] <paultag> I'm going to make it portable as hell
[15:18] <thafreak> k
[15:18] <paultag> or I can do python + pbs, but that's less easy to port to all the dists I want
[15:18] <paultag> I figure shell is best
[15:19] <thafreak> pbs? like the batch system?
[15:19] <paultag> python-pbs
[15:19] <thafreak> haven't seen that yet
[15:19] <paultag> dude
[15:19] <paultag> it's amazing
[15:19] <paultag> name a command
[15:19] <paultag> any command
[15:20] <thafreak> command?
[15:20] <thafreak> like ls
[15:20] <paultag> nvmd, one sec
[15:20] <paultag> yeah, sure
[15:20] <canthus13> lspci
[15:20] <paultag> lspci it is
[15:20] <thafreak> so it is related to the pbs batch system...
[15:21] <paultag> one sec
[15:22] <paultag> python
[15:22] <paultag> >>> from pbs import lspci, grep
[15:22] <paultag> >>> grep(lspci(), "VGA")
[15:22] <paultag> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[15:22] <paultag> >>>
[15:22] <canthus13> nice. :)
[15:22] <paultag> it's a badass wrapper that uses some nifty import hacks
[15:22] <paultag> it's a really nice way to shell out in Python
[15:22] <paultag> anyway, yeah. Shell, thafreak
[15:23] <thafreak> will you have direct ssh access to your build hosts?
[15:24] <paultag> thafreak: no, they'll be VMs. To test, I'll fire up some VMs here behind a firewall or something
[15:24] <thafreak> cause something like clusterssh which runs stuff in parallel might be a simpler setup
[15:24] <paultag> not only VMs, but in the end, they're reflash them
[15:24] <thafreak> gotcha
[15:24] <paultag> because builds may taint the host
[15:24] <thafreak> true
[15:25] <paultag> boot → update chroot → run buld → shutdown, host reflash VM
[15:25] <paultag> but for now, I'll just do the run-build
[15:25] <paultag> because that's the most complex part
[15:26] <thafreak> well...using libvirt and pre-built templates, it might not be too bad
[15:27] <paultag> thafreak: idealy, I'd also send an "update" job before each build
[15:27] <thafreak> clone a vm, boot it, abuse it, delete it when done
[15:27] <paultag> thafreak: which would boot the VM image R/W, update the chroot, update the image, shut down
[15:27] <paultag> also, it'd be sweet to have a web-front-end on this
[15:28] <paultag> if I can stream output from the slave to the host
[15:28] <thafreak> could be done
[15:28] <paultag> and node.js realtime stream it
[15:28] <paultag> I have really lofty demands
[15:28] <paultag> (but starting simple is key)
[15:28] <thafreak> there's a python api to controle the salt master...so you could build a rest interface to hit from node.js
[15:29] <paultag> cool
[15:29] <paultag> anyway, later
[15:29] <paultag> first thing is build process
[15:29] <thafreak> later...i got to debug some code
[15:29] <thafreak> cause that's what sys admins do
[15:29] <paultag> alright
[15:29] <thafreak> aparently
[15:29] <thafreak> :-/
[15:29] <paultag> I'll write a build-script :)
[15:29] <thafreak> k, keep me in the loop
[15:30] <paultag> yarp
[15:36] <paultag> thafreak: holy shit, I just did the math. It's going to be over 39 VMs.
[15:37] <thafreak> and how much ram each?
[15:38] <paultag> meh, not much. I'm sure it can be about a gig or so
[15:38] <thafreak> 512mb?
[15:38] <paultag> remember, I'll kick two or three up, build, shut down
[15:38] <paultag> and roll them
[15:38] <thafreak> OH ok
[15:38] <paultag> over more then one physical host
[15:38] <thafreak> not at the same time
[15:38] <paultag> yeah
[15:38] <paultag> no need to do that
[15:38] <paultag> but that's a cool number
[15:38] <paultag> and I have a neat way to show the build status
[15:38] <paultag> anyway, $WORK time
[18:02] <jrgifford> oh yeah, almost forgot. notacon is tomorrow.. will i see any of you folks there?
[18:02] <canthus13> NOpe. I'm going to ILF. :)
[18:03] <Unit193> Nope, I'm not going to either.
[18:03] <Unit193> yano was asking about it.
[18:29] <thafreak> really wanted to go to notacon this year, but we started finishing the basement, so i'll be in my basement every weekend for the forseeable future
[18:57] <thafreak> so, exchange server converts mail sent in plain text to html...
[18:58] <thafreak> WTF
[18:58] <thafreak> what kind of shitty mailserver alters the contents of your mail messages...
[18:58] <paultag> right?
[18:58] <paultag> at least gmail does it on the front-end
[18:59] <thafreak> well...hmmm
[18:59] <paultag> so if I use mutt / smtp
[18:59] <paultag> it works
[18:59] <thafreak> i'm using a middleware that scrapes their web interface and provides imap
[18:59] <paultag> groooooooos
[18:59] <paultag> §
[18:59] <thafreak> maybe that's wy
[18:59] <paultag> wow, forgot I had that allias
[19:00] <thafreak> cause the all knowing exchange admins decided that imap is a security risk and disabled it
[19:00] <paultag> idjits
[19:00] <thafreak> SO, i need to use davmail so I can run thunderbird
[19:00] <BiosElement2> *waves*
[19:00]  * thafreak hides
[19:01] <BiosElement2> *kicks thafreak* >.>
[19:01]  * thafreak ouch WTF
[19:01] <BiosElement2> The ninja strikes :P
[19:01] <thafreak> damn ninjas
[19:01] <BiosElement2> How's it goin folks?
[19:04] <Unit193> The ninja waves before an attack? This may be the less-than-average ninja.
[19:04] <BiosElement2> Ninja's don't need stealth anymore, everyone ignores them so we can afford to be polite before striking. ;)
[19:51] <paultag> hey BiosElement2
[19:51] <Unit193> Hello paultag, did you enjoy the game canthus13 sent you?
[19:51] <BiosElement2> Hey paultag ^_^
[19:51] <paultag> fffffuuuuuu
[19:51] <paultag> *the* game
[19:51]  * canthus13 slaps Unit193 with a large trout.
[19:52] <Unit193> ...I'm sorry, I couldn't help it!
[19:52] <canthus13> neither could I. :)
[19:52]  * canthus13 has this weird large trout reflex.
[19:52] <Unit193> I don't normally follow along with that, buuut.
[19:57] <thafreak> JERKS!
[22:18] <BiosElement2> Sure got quiet fast when the fish attacked ;P
[22:54]  * canthus13 waves hsi trout warningly at BiosElement2.
[22:55] <Unit193> Hsi? What's that? :---D
[22:55] <yano> jrgifford, you are going to notacon?
[22:56] <Unit193> I'd guess so by how he said it.