| GridCube | knome, i think i could make a guide to alternate installation, like in plain html or something, if i do so, would you like it to go to the xubuntu site? | 02:10 |
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| GridCube | or i should do it in the ubuntu wiki? | 02:10 |
| Unit193 | micahg: The server hosting them (the bots) went down, it should be back in time. | 02:16 |
| micahg | Unit193: thanks | 02:17 |
| Unit193 | micahg: Did you really need it tonight? | 02:40 |
| micahg | no, just thought itance was a one-off occur | 02:41 |
| astraljava | Was arandr installed by default in Xubuntu? I don't have a session running anywhere right now. | 04:19 |
| Unit193 | I don't have it, and I don't remember purging it. | 04:21 |
| micahg | nope | 04:22 |
| astraljava | Ok, thanks! | 04:22 |
| micahg | astraljava: studio installs it by default :) | 04:24 |
| astraljava | micahg: I noticed, that's why I asked cause I wasn't sure whether it came from here or some other outer space. :) | 04:26 |
| micahg | astraljava: apt-cache show arandr | grep Task | 04:26 |
| astraljava | micahg: Oh right, I forgot there was that info right there. Thanks for the reminder! | 04:26 |
| knome | astraljava, you going to FT tonight? | 10:05 |
| astraljava | knome: Nope, didn't have to come to Helsinki earlier, so I'm arriving on Sunday afternoon. | 10:06 |
| knome | ok :) | 10:06 |
| astraljava | Might get the apartment, though. Will hopefully hear the confirmation this week, still. | 10:06 |
| * knome was unsure of attending too | 10:06 | |
| knome | mm-hmm | 10:06 |
| knome | good luck! :) | 10:06 |
| astraljava | Let's go in May, then. :) | 10:06 |
| astraljava | Thanks. | 10:07 |
| knome | sure! :) | 10:07 |
| knome | maybe we can get edii to join us, too | 10:17 |
| ochosi | knome: with "us" you mean xubuntu or just you guys who like to hang out in .fi? | 11:23 |
| knome | ochosi, me and astraljava to join an event in helsinki in may :) | 11:25 |
| knome | well, tbe, every month :P | 11:25 |
| ochosi | right | 11:28 |
| knome | http://free-thursday.pieni.net/ | 11:29 |
| madnick | If it'd had been tomorrow I could be there :P | 13:16 |
| knome | :) | 13:19 |
| knome | next month then? ;) | 13:20 |
| madnick | I wish I had that much money to spend on trips :P | 13:20 |
| knome | ;) | 13:21 |
| knome | viking line is much cheaper ! :P | 13:21 |
| madnick | maybe, but my friend wont be around to pay then :P | 13:22 |
| knome | :P | 13:22 |
| * knome is having some barbãr | 13:23 | |
| knome | damn this is good beer | 13:23 |
| madnick | 8% beer | 13:24 |
| madnick | Thats quite a lot | 13:24 |
| knome | yup, that | 13:24 |
| knome | but it's sweetened with honey.. mmm... | 13:24 |
| madnick | :> | 13:24 |
| knome | 16:42 pitti: tgardner: sabdfl approved 750 MB USB media next cycle | 13:43 |
| knome | that might be one of the things making us oversize | 13:43 |
| knome | or, at least, will be in the 12.10 cycle | 13:43 |
| ochosi | leo-unglaub: hey, how's it going? | 16:05 |
| leo-unglaub | bad, bad and bad again ... | 16:05 |
| knome | ? :P | 16:05 |
| ochosi | what's up? too much work? | 16:05 |
| leo-unglaub | sadly yes | 16:05 |
| ochosi | meh | 16:05 |
| knome | leo-unglaub, i heard you had problems with keyboard shortcuts. did you get to fix that? | 16:06 |
| leo-unglaub | knome: yes is did via restoring the defaults... | 16:06 |
| knome | leo-unglaub, ok | 16:06 |
| leo-unglaub | but sadly i did that bvefore i figured out what the real error was... | 16:07 |
| ochosi | i think mr_pouit said that it's a problem when upgrading | 16:07 |
| ochosi | and not really avoidable for now | 16:07 |
| knome | ochosi, he said there's a problem with shortcuts with ctrl, but that's it | 16:07 |
| ochosi | yes, but that was upgrade-specific | 16:08 |
| leo-unglaub | yes | 16:08 |
| knome | yes, but i thought you were referring to "when upgrading" | 16:08 |
| leo-unglaub | only after an upgrade | 16:09 |
| ochosi | knome: i mostly mentioned that because i remembered that leo-unglaub upgraded ;) | 16:09 |
| knome | ;) | 16:10 |
| knome | well yeah, i also had that after upgrade | 16:10 |
| leo-unglaub | knome: according to someone here it also happens for arch users | 16:11 |
| knome | the ctrl-keys issue, or the all keys issue? | 16:12 |
| leo-unglaub | the ctrl issue | 16:12 |
| leo-unglaub | but there where some other strange issues after upgrading | 16:12 |
| leo-unglaub | but i am soo fucked up in work here so i had no time reporting them all.. | 16:13 |
| leo-unglaub | *shame on me* | 16:13 |
| ochosi | knome: did you ever ask sean davis to join the testing team? | 16:30 |
| GridCube | when is the next (and i presume last) meeting before the final release? | 16:30 |
| knome | ochosi, no | 16:38 |
| knome | GridCube, no idea. is there something you'd like to go through? | 16:38 |
| knome | GridCube, btw, writing the article on installing alternate sounds good. feel free to start a draft in xubuntu.org :) | 16:39 |
| GridCube | :D ok | 16:40 |
| GridCube | knome: well, mostly to keep up to date info about how things are goind | 16:40 |
| GridCube | stuff we can link people too so they can blog or whatever about whats gonna happen in this release | 16:41 |
| knome | there's nothing new since a long time, since we've past all freezes | 16:41 |
| GridCube | also there was a rumor about PAE kernels being droped for 12.10 in mainbuntu | 16:42 |
| ochosi | i never really understood the whole PAE kernel story | 16:42 |
| ochosi | could anybody enlighten me? | 16:42 |
| knome | GridCube, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html tells a lot | 16:42 |
| micahg | GridCube: yes, that most likely will happen | 16:42 |
| knome | ochosi, not all computers support PAE | 16:42 |
| micahg | anyone with PAE should stay on 12.04 until 2017 | 16:42 |
| micahg | oops | 16:43 |
| micahg | I mean without on i386 :) | 16:43 |
| GridCube | ochosi: PAE kernels allows non amd 64 installs to use more than i386 ram limit, that is about 3.8gb | 16:43 |
| knome | yes, but otoh, if you don't have PAE-supporting kernel, you're not able to boot at all | 16:43 |
| GridCube | most microprocesors today are PAE enabled, like most of them are amd64 already, but installing a PAE kernel allows you to install an i386 install and it will still use the whole amounts of ram your heart happens to desire | 16:44 |
| GridCube | forced PAE means that old microprocesors, like previous to PIV, wont probably work | 16:45 |
| GridCube | micahg: if that happens then xubuntu wont target aging computers anymore? | 16:47 |
| knome | GridCube, xubuntu will use non-pae on i386 on precise | 16:47 |
| micahg | GridCube: it can still target aging computers :) | 16:47 |
| GridCube | knome: im talking about 12.10 | 16:47 |
| knome | GridCube, unknown... | 16:48 |
| knome | GridCube, as long as non-pae is in main, we probably use it | 16:48 |
| GridCube | but... micahg is saying that that wont probably be the case... | 16:48 |
| knome | we have to rethink that in Q cycle | 16:49 |
| knome | we don't have the workforce to maintain the non-pae kernel ourself | 16:49 |
| GridCube | welp | 16:49 |
| GridCube | that was something i wanted to talk on a meeting :P | 16:49 |
| ochosi | well, lucky we're all here :) | 16:50 |
| GridCube | im worried about our market target | 16:50 |
| GridCube | XD | 16:50 |
| ochosi | tbh that is one thing about meetings: people often aren't there and it feels more hasty | 16:50 |
| micahg | there are still 10+ year old computers with PAE support | 16:50 |
| GridCube | but i guess thats a huge problem to lubuntu as well | 16:50 |
| knome | it's probably more of a problem to lubuntu | 16:50 |
| ochosi | the thing is: (and this has been a problem for a while) what is the target group of xubuntu? | 16:50 |
| GridCube | exactly | 16:51 |
| ochosi | it's not extremely lightweight anymore, and imo it shouldn't necessarily be | 16:51 |
| ochosi | maybe we should redefine that for Q | 16:51 |
| GridCube | i think that too | 16:51 |
| ochosi | or at least make it even more explicit | 16:51 |
| GridCube | with all the unity people running around | 16:51 |
| GridCube | xubuntu should target traditional desktop users and no more | 16:51 |
| ochosi | the whole idea of different app-sets on install-time was to give people with less resources one more option | 16:51 |
| ochosi | yeah, i agree | 16:52 |
| ochosi | it should be the one xfce distro where everything looks nice and works smoothly | 16:52 |
| ochosi | as in: not do what fedora does and ship stuff as vanilla as possible | 16:52 |
| GridCube | i think that people wanting an usable desktop, for example for an office, they should know that xubuntu IS the option :D | 16:53 |
| martinphone | no, they will turn to windows | 16:53 |
| martinphone | as most of them do | 16:53 |
| GridCube | but w8 looks like unity aswell | 16:54 |
| ochosi | oh well, let's not dive into this too much... i think it's important to know who we want to target, whether people accept the offer or not is up to them | 16:54 |
| GridCube | yes | 16:55 |
| ochosi | one thing we could investigate for Q is a backup tool | 16:55 |
| ochosi | many desktop-users need that | 16:55 |
| ochosi | (knome, i hope you're taking notes ;) ) | 16:55 |
| ochosi | something like deja-dup | 16:55 |
| GridCube | ive used it, and it did the work | 16:56 |
| knome | ochosi, not | 16:56 |
| knome | ochosi, but there will be logs | 16:56 |
| ochosi | i like it because it's both for offline and online backups | 16:56 |
| GridCube | also a webcam program | 16:56 |
| GridCube | like cheese | 16:56 |
| ochosi | knome: what about scheduling two meetings: one before the release ("last doubts") one after the release ("party and looking ahead")? | 16:57 |
| ochosi | GridCube: yeah maybe, i think it'd be good to rethink our appset in general | 16:57 |
| knome | ochosi, worksforme | 16:57 |
| ochosi | knome: at least by labelling the meetings like that it's no tragedy if noone shows up for the last meeting, because there might not be last doubts | 16:58 |
| GridCube | all n[et|ote]books come with cameras, why dont ship anything for them | 16:58 |
| ochosi | GridCube: if you have energy for that now you could start a wikipage with gathering thoughts for Q and put that there | 16:59 |
| GridCube | ochosi: yes, i think i can do that | 17:01 |
| ochosi | nice | 17:01 |
| ochosi | hmm, i need someone with unity installed | 17:03 |
| GridCube | ochosi: i can get you one :P | 17:05 |
| ochosi | GridCube: that'd be great. i'm considering unity-support for our themes | 17:05 |
| GridCube | welp, no one answers | 17:08 |
| ochosi | no problem, ping me whenever someone shows up | 17:08 |
| ochosi | i can meanwhile push the theme changes to a branch so that people can start testing it | 17:09 |
| GridCube | ochosi: bazhang uses unity | 17:12 |
| ochosi | hey bazhang | 17:13 |
| carnau | ochosi | 17:13 |
| leo-unglaub | so, i am on my way home | 17:13 |
| ochosi | would you mind testing a gtk-theme for me? | 17:13 |
| bazhang | hi ochosi | 17:13 |
| leo-unglaub | i worked 2 days without sleep | 17:13 |
| leo-unglaub | now i am going to bed | 17:13 |
| GridCube | ochosi: carnau also uses Unity | 17:13 |
| GridCube | :D | 17:13 |
| bazhang | can it wait for a few? I'm heading off to bed soon | 17:13 |
| carnau | yes, I'm on 12.04 | 17:14 |
| ochosi | bazhang: sure, no hurry, ping me whenever | 17:14 |
| bazhang | ok cool | 17:14 |
| knome | time to cook food | 17:14 |
| GridCube | it would be really weird to cook not food, but ok | 17:14 |
| leo-unglaub | are there no pizza delivery companys in cour country? | 17:14 |
| ochosi | carnau: do you feel like testing the theme with unity? | 17:15 |
| carnau | yes, sure | 17:16 |
| ochosi | if not, no problem, i'll just push it and hopefully someone gets around to testing it at some point :) | 17:16 |
| carnau | ochosi, provide link | 17:17 |
| leo-unglaub | ochosi: another upgrade-problem i know think of is that after the dist-upgrade the default font was not ubuntu anymore | 17:17 |
| leo-unglaub | it was samething hard readable | 17:17 |
| ochosi | carnau: sure, just one sec, i need to decide whether to do the window-buttons as well. but i guess for now i'll just do the panel | 17:18 |
| carnau | ok, take your time :) | 17:18 |
| ochosi | leo-unglaub: the default font never was ubuntu, it's droid sans | 17:18 |
| leo-unglaub | ah, okay. that expßlains why it was changed | 17:18 |
| ochosi | carnau: grab it here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/unity | 17:22 |
| ochosi | carnau: do you need help with installing the theme? | 17:23 |
| ochosi | (btw, the important thing would be the unity-panel) | 17:23 |
| carnau | ochosi, don't think so | 17:23 |
| ochosi | ok | 17:24 |
| ochosi | a screenshot of your test would be nice, so that i know what needs tweaking (e.g. gtk3 indicators) | 17:24 |
| carnau | ochosi, ok, give me 5 min | 17:29 |
| carnau | or less :) | 17:29 |
| ochosi | sure :) | 17:30 |
| raevol | are any changes being made to how desktop notifications work in 12.04? | 17:38 |
| carnau | ochosi, http://i40.tinypic.com/25a4yg3.png | 17:41 |
| ochosi | carnau: are you sure you set Greybird as your theme? that looks like adwaita... | 17:43 |
| ochosi | raevol: nope | 17:43 |
| carnau | ochosi, ouch :_( | 17:44 |
| ochosi | np | 17:44 |
| carnau | ochosi, it goes in the ~/.themes folder? | 17:46 |
| carnau | i think so, but it not appears in the menu | 17:47 |
| ochosi | yes, it goes into the .themes folder | 17:47 |
| ochosi | strange, i saw bluebird used on webupd8 with unity, so i thought that would work... | 17:48 |
| carnau | it doesn't :_( | 17:50 |
| ochosi | hm, sorry, since i never used unity i have no clue how to help here... | 17:52 |
| ochosi | but since there's a gtk3 version of greybird it should work | 17:52 |
| carnau | ochosi, i'm trying it | 18:03 |
| carnau | ochosi, not shows in the menu after reloading user, and placing it in /usr/share/themes | 18:09 |
| ochosi | carnau: strange strange, i'll try to investigate tomorrow and ping you as soon as i have something | 18:23 |
| carnau | ok! | 18:26 |
| carnau | ochosi, I can see it with metacity-theme-viewer | 18:40 |
| carnau | looks like it's not defined where it has to be. Well, we'll see tomorrow :) | 18:41 |
| carnau | bye! | 18:41 |
| carnau | ochosi, ping | 18:52 |
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