[02:10] knome, i think i could make a guide to alternate installation, like in plain html or something, if i do so, would you like it to go to the xubuntu site? [02:10] or i should do it in the ubuntu wiki? [02:16] micahg: The server hosting them (the bots) went down, it should be back in time. [02:17] Unit193: thanks [02:40] micahg: Did you really need it tonight? [02:41] no, just thought itance was a one-off occur [04:19] Was arandr installed by default in Xubuntu? I don't have a session running anywhere right now. [04:21] I don't have it, and I don't remember purging it. [04:22] nope [04:22] Ok, thanks! [04:24] astraljava: studio installs it by default :) [04:26] micahg: I noticed, that's why I asked cause I wasn't sure whether it came from here or some other outer space. :) [04:26] astraljava: apt-cache show arandr | grep Task [04:26] micahg: Oh right, I forgot there was that info right there. Thanks for the reminder! [10:05] astraljava, you going to FT tonight? [10:06] knome: Nope, didn't have to come to Helsinki earlier, so I'm arriving on Sunday afternoon. [10:06] ok :) [10:06] Might get the apartment, though. Will hopefully hear the confirmation this week, still. [10:06] * knome was unsure of attending too [10:06] mm-hmm [10:06] good luck! :) [10:06] Let's go in May, then. :) [10:07] Thanks. [10:07] sure! :) [10:17] maybe we can get edii to join us, too [11:23] knome: with "us" you mean xubuntu or just you guys who like to hang out in .fi? [11:25] ochosi, me and astraljava to join an event in helsinki in may :) [11:25] well, tbe, every month :P [11:28] right [11:29] http://free-thursday.pieni.net/ [13:16] If it'd had been tomorrow I could be there :P [13:19] :) [13:20] next month then? ;) [13:20] I wish I had that much money to spend on trips :P [13:21] ;) [13:21] viking line is much cheaper ! :P [13:22] maybe, but my friend wont be around to pay then :P [13:22] :P [13:23] * knome is having some barbãr [13:23] damn this is good beer [13:24] 8% beer [13:24] Thats quite a lot [13:24] yup, that [13:24] but it's sweetened with honey.. mmm... [13:24] :> [13:43] 16:42 pitti: tgardner: sabdfl approved 750 MB USB media next cycle [13:43] that might be one of the things making us oversize [13:43] or, at least, will be in the 12.10 cycle [16:05] leo-unglaub: hey, how's it going? [16:05] bad, bad and bad again ... [16:05] ? :P [16:05] what's up? too much work? [16:05] sadly yes [16:05] meh [16:06] leo-unglaub, i heard you had problems with keyboard shortcuts. did you get to fix that? [16:06] knome: yes is did via restoring the defaults... [16:06] leo-unglaub, ok [16:07] but sadly i did that bvefore i figured out what the real error was... [16:07] i think mr_pouit said that it's a problem when upgrading [16:07] and not really avoidable for now [16:07] ochosi, he said there's a problem with shortcuts with ctrl, but that's it [16:08] yes, but that was upgrade-specific [16:08] yes [16:08] yes, but i thought you were referring to "when upgrading" [16:09] only after an upgrade [16:09] knome: i mostly mentioned that because i remembered that leo-unglaub upgraded ;) [16:10] ;) [16:10] well yeah, i also had that after upgrade [16:11] knome: according to someone here it also happens for arch users [16:12] the ctrl-keys issue, or the all keys issue? [16:12] the ctrl issue [16:12] but there where some other strange issues after upgrading [16:13] but i am soo fucked up in work here so i had no time reporting them all.. [16:13] *shame on me* [16:30] knome: did you ever ask sean davis to join the testing team? [16:30] when is the next (and i presume last) meeting before the final release? [16:38] ochosi, no [16:38] GridCube, no idea. is there something you'd like to go through? [16:39] GridCube, btw, writing the article on installing alternate sounds good. feel free to start a draft in xubuntu.org :) [16:40] :D ok [16:40] knome: well, mostly to keep up to date info about how things are goind [16:41] stuff we can link people too so they can blog or whatever about whats gonna happen in this release [16:41] there's nothing new since a long time, since we've past all freezes [16:42] also there was a rumor about PAE kernels being droped for 12.10 in mainbuntu [16:42] i never really understood the whole PAE kernel story [16:42] could anybody enlighten me? [16:42] GridCube, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html tells a lot [16:42] GridCube: yes, that most likely will happen [16:42] ochosi, not all computers support PAE [16:42] anyone with PAE should stay on 12.04 until 2017 [16:43] oops [16:43] I mean without on i386 :) [16:43] ochosi: PAE kernels allows non amd 64 installs to use more than i386 ram limit, that is about 3.8gb [16:43] yes, but otoh, if you don't have PAE-supporting kernel, you're not able to boot at all [16:44] most microprocesors today are PAE enabled, like most of them are amd64 already, but installing a PAE kernel allows you to install an i386 install and it will still use the whole amounts of ram your heart happens to desire [16:45] forced PAE means that old microprocesors, like previous to PIV, wont probably work [16:47] micahg: if that happens then xubuntu wont target aging computers anymore? [16:47] GridCube, xubuntu will use non-pae on i386 on precise [16:47] GridCube: it can still target aging computers :) [16:47] knome: im talking about 12.10 [16:48] GridCube, unknown... [16:48] GridCube, as long as non-pae is in main, we probably use it [16:48] but... micahg is saying that that wont probably be the case... [16:49] we have to rethink that in Q cycle [16:49] we don't have the workforce to maintain the non-pae kernel ourself [16:49] welp [16:49] that was something i wanted to talk on a meeting :P [16:50] well, lucky we're all here :) [16:50] im worried about our market target [16:50] XD [16:50] tbh that is one thing about meetings: people often aren't there and it feels more hasty [16:50] there are still 10+ year old computers with PAE support [16:50] but i guess thats a huge problem to lubuntu as well [16:50] it's probably more of a problem to lubuntu [16:50] the thing is: (and this has been a problem for a while) what is the target group of xubuntu? [16:51] exactly [16:51] it's not extremely lightweight anymore, and imo it shouldn't necessarily be [16:51] maybe we should redefine that for Q [16:51] i think that too [16:51] or at least make it even more explicit [16:51] with all the unity people running around [16:51] xubuntu should target traditional desktop users and no more [16:51] the whole idea of different app-sets on install-time was to give people with less resources one more option [16:52] yeah, i agree [16:52] it should be the one xfce distro where everything looks nice and works smoothly [16:52] as in: not do what fedora does and ship stuff as vanilla as possible [16:53] i think that people wanting an usable desktop, for example for an office, they should know that xubuntu IS the option :D [16:53] no, they will turn to windows [16:53] as most of them do [16:54] but w8 looks like unity aswell [16:54] oh well, let's not dive into this too much... i think it's important to know who we want to target, whether people accept the offer or not is up to them [16:55] yes [16:55] one thing we could investigate for Q is a backup tool [16:55] many desktop-users need that [16:55] (knome, i hope you're taking notes ;) ) [16:55] something like deja-dup [16:56] ive used it, and it did the work [16:56] ochosi, not [16:56] ochosi, but there will be logs [16:56] i like it because it's both for offline and online backups [16:56] also a webcam program [16:56] like cheese [16:57] knome: what about scheduling two meetings: one before the release ("last doubts") one after the release ("party and looking ahead")? [16:57] GridCube: yeah maybe, i think it'd be good to rethink our appset in general [16:57] ochosi, worksforme [16:58] knome: at least by labelling the meetings like that it's no tragedy if noone shows up for the last meeting, because there might not be last doubts [16:58] all n[et|ote]books come with cameras, why dont ship anything for them [16:59] GridCube: if you have energy for that now you could start a wikipage with gathering thoughts for Q and put that there [17:01] ochosi: yes, i think i can do that [17:01] nice [17:03] hmm, i need someone with unity installed [17:05] ochosi: i can get you one :P [17:05] GridCube: that'd be great. i'm considering unity-support for our themes [17:08] welp, no one answers [17:08] no problem, ping me whenever someone shows up [17:09] i can meanwhile push the theme changes to a branch so that people can start testing it [17:12] ochosi: bazhang uses unity [17:13] hey bazhang [17:13] ochosi [17:13] so, i am on my way home [17:13] would you mind testing a gtk-theme for me? [17:13] hi ochosi [17:13] i worked 2 days without sleep [17:13] now i am going to bed [17:13] ochosi: carnau also uses Unity [17:13] :D [17:13] can it wait for a few? I'm heading off to bed soon [17:14] yes, I'm on 12.04 [17:14] bazhang: sure, no hurry, ping me whenever [17:14] ok cool [17:14] time to cook food [17:14] it would be really weird to cook not food, but ok [17:14] are there no pizza delivery companys in cour country? [17:15] carnau: do you feel like testing the theme with unity? [17:16] yes, sure [17:16] if not, no problem, i'll just push it and hopefully someone gets around to testing it at some point :) [17:17] ochosi, provide link [17:17] ochosi: another upgrade-problem i know think of is that after the dist-upgrade the default font was not ubuntu anymore [17:17] it was samething hard readable [17:18] carnau: sure, just one sec, i need to decide whether to do the window-buttons as well. but i guess for now i'll just do the panel [17:18] ok, take your time :) [17:18] leo-unglaub: the default font never was ubuntu, it's droid sans [17:18] ah, okay. that expßlains why it was changed [17:22] carnau: grab it here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/unity [17:23] carnau: do you need help with installing the theme? [17:23] (btw, the important thing would be the unity-panel) [17:23] ochosi, don't think so [17:24] ok [17:24] a screenshot of your test would be nice, so that i know what needs tweaking (e.g. gtk3 indicators) [17:29] ochosi, ok, give me 5 min [17:29] or less :) [17:30] sure :) [17:38] are any changes being made to how desktop notifications work in 12.04? [17:41] ochosi, http://i40.tinypic.com/25a4yg3.png [17:43] carnau: are you sure you set Greybird as your theme? that looks like adwaita... [17:43] raevol: nope [17:44] ochosi, ouch :_( [17:44] np [17:46] ochosi, it goes in the ~/.themes folder? [17:47] i think so, but it not appears in the menu [17:47] yes, it goes into the .themes folder [17:48] strange, i saw bluebird used on webupd8 with unity, so i thought that would work... [17:50] it doesn't :_( [17:52] hm, sorry, since i never used unity i have no clue how to help here... [17:52] but since there's a gtk3 version of greybird it should work [18:03] ochosi, i'm trying it [18:09] ochosi, not shows in the menu after reloading user, and placing it in /usr/share/themes [18:23] carnau: strange strange, i'll try to investigate tomorrow and ping you as soon as i have something [18:26] ok! [18:40] ochosi, I can see it with metacity-theme-viewer [18:41] looks like it's not defined where it has to be. Well, we'll see tomorrow :) [18:41] bye! [18:52] ochosi, ping === yofel_ is now known as yofel