=== wylde_ is now known as wylde [00:05] to update that just became available for network-manager fixed the greyed out wireless issue [00:05] *the [00:05] yofel, I figured out what the problem was. The dkms module was still installed, but the issue is that when I upgrade to the next kernel, I have to run dkms install to rebuild it for the next kernel up. [00:06] I want to really automate that in some way, so when a new kernel comes along or a change is detected, it rebuilds automagically [00:08] BarkingFish: that is *supposed* to be automatic [00:08] I'll blame the broken dkms.conf for now [00:08] the question is, how the heck do I fix it? :) [00:08] i'd never even dabbled in dkms until this came along [00:09] well, you could try removing the new kernel, then install it again, and see if dkms auto-builds [00:09] which it *should* do [00:09] that's the whole point in using dkms [00:10] frankly, having spoken to #kernel, the dkms is nothing to do with them, that's to do with us, and I propose outright that we dump it. I never had this much grief with ndiswrapper in its normal state :) [00:10] well, it works perfectly fine for any other dkms module I've used till now [00:10] dkms... "don't know, might 'splode" [00:11] meaning virtualbox, nvidia and tp-smapi [00:11] ever tried ndiswrapper on it? [00:11] I don't have a use for ndiswrapper - but as long as you can't confirm it's broken with the fixed ndiswrapper I would believe it'll work from now on [00:12] i have about 8 years worth of experience as an end user of ndiswrapper, it being the only way I can get on the internet. I don't know it's broken with the "fixed" ndiswrapper, until I update my kernel to the next one which comes along :) [00:13] i do know that up until one week ago, when I went up to a 3.0.0.22-35, ndiswrapper worked, and now it doesn't. Not properly, anyhow [00:14] well, don't aks me why they converted that [00:14] *ask [00:14] and from the build-on-demand solutions dkms is about the sanest one [00:15] there was no need for a build on demand solution though, that's the problem. It worked perfectly fine in its previous form. [00:15] An insight into the developers mind... "OK, It works. Let's mess with it, break it, and then spend ages trying to fix it, when we needn't have broken it." :P [00:16] pretty accurate :D [00:17] * BarkingFish shakes his head, hits it on the keyboard and facepalms at fail :) [00:18] thank the lord this is only a beta, let's hope stuff gets fixed prior to launch day [00:19] so [00:20] whats wrong with fakeraid support in the installer> [00:20] dmraid drives don't show up at all [00:20] even in the daily [00:23] go to console activate dmraid (dmraid -aY) and click next for drive selection etc [00:24] and partman/70update_partitions and 20detected_filesystem hangs [00:28] BarkingFish, in 8 years you couldn't find hardware that has a good native linux driver? [00:29] come on, man [00:29] bjsnider, i've tried 10 wifi adapters, 8 different chipsets, and no native drivers which work them [00:29] frankly, ndiswrapper has been the only solution I've been able to get to work [00:30] ever hear of atheros? [00:30] yes, I did. My current USB Wifi adapter has an atheros chipset, and the native driver which "should" support it, doesn't. [00:30] BarkingFish, ok, i will tell you which one to buy [00:31] i have it right here [00:31] ok [00:31] it is flawless [00:31] hold on a minute while i find it [00:31] cheers [00:32] airlink 101 AWLL3026/NA [00:32] it should be cheap too [00:32] I would assume I can get that for a European setup [00:32] i don't know [00:32] The AWLL3026 is on the North American regulatory system [00:32] it's a usb device with a good driver [00:33] i don't know if the frequencies are the same as the UK [00:33] just get a euro device with that chip [00:33] bjsnider, could you give me the VID/PID for it please? [00:33] no [00:34] i don't want to load it because it will bring in all of the wifi-related modules like mac80211 and whatnot [00:34] ah [00:34] you can google it [00:34] ok [00:43] got it, bjsnider - VID:0ace, PID:1211 - and unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a UK version of it. I'll see if I can locate something with the same chipset though [00:52] can someone help with STA drivers [00:52] !details | pilotbub [00:52] pilotbub: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [00:52] trying to activate wireless nic [00:52] broadcom STA driver [00:52] !broadcom [00:52] Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [00:53] got a patch cable and doing an upgrade will that fix it [00:53] oops, wrong one, sorry [00:53] pilotbub, check the broadcom link [00:53] or maybe not [00:53] :) [01:29] did pilotbub get sorted out? [01:39] how to exclude some folder from the DASH search? p mode for 12.04 [01:40] perhaps make them hidden by adding a . to the foldername [01:40] i.e. .Downloads [01:41] or .whatever [01:41] I'm having problems with nfs shares not being mounted at boot time. searching launchpad shows #972214 which suggests configuring the (static) ip in /etc/network/interfaces. This would work fine for me (only one interface in this system, wired) but should I un-install network-manager to keep it from trying to handle the interfaces? [01:42] (this is a xubuntu desktop system, if it matters, which I doubt) [01:43] . something with p [01:44] is working thanks, but it would be nice to have it as a feature to exclude some stuff from search [01:44] thanks [01:49] ok the system says STA is installed but still no wireless [01:52] how can it be this bad [01:53] dont business use this "software" [01:53] pilotbub, what version of Ubuntu are you running right now? [01:53] im running the one with broken wifi [01:53] the pathetic one [01:54] version number, not your definition [01:54] I already warned you about crossposting. having an issue in one version does not mean the issue exists in an other [01:55] the issue is ubuntu is a nightmare [01:55] pilotbub, try arch === spacebug is now known as spacebug- [01:55] but if I see you cross posting again i will ban you from both channels. [01:55] pilotbub: its not, you have one of the most abundant an cheap wifi chips around [01:56] all i ask is hammer down the wifi before you start stealing docks [01:56] pilotbub: the additional drivers app does the work for you, you may have to blacklist a driver module or two but they are simple to get going [01:56] well it says its installed but nothing is showing up anywhere [01:57] pilotbub: if you run: sudo iwlist scan do you see wireless networks? [01:57] no [01:58] do you see anything under iwconfig? [01:58] no wireless extensions [01:59] pilotbub: if you run: dmesg | grep -i firm do you get messages about firmware missing? [02:00] cant copy that [02:01] pilotbub: just type it then [02:01] omg [02:04] * snadge loves his working wifi :p [02:04] pilotbub: have you tried turning the wifi on? [02:05] some netbooks/laptops have a function/wifi button which will turn it off and on [02:06] i was a noob once and spent about an hour or two trying to figure out why wifi was working in windows.. but not ubuntu.. until someone else suggested i tried turning it on ;) [02:06] this driver is activated and currently in use... [02:07] pilotbub: what does the command I last give output? [02:07] yeah the driver would load.. but no networks would appear [02:07] i could associate with the ap.. i could even see the ap.. or get an ip address etc [02:07] x264 performance is poor [02:07] s/could/couldn't [02:10] pilotbub: try: echo "blacklist bcma" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf > /dev/null [02:13] pilotbub: also try: echo "b43" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules [02:15] pilotbub: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/193150 see #3 here [02:22] pilotbub: reboot to test once you make the changes [02:25] still no wireless [02:26] now its saying install drivers what a load of shite [02:27] stupid thing has an icon in the taskbar saying install drivers [02:28] finally an OS for Africa to be embarrassed about [02:32] oh hey look a release schedule [02:32] AWesome. [02:32] That answers my question before it was even asked. [02:33] I'm looking forward to the next LTS release! I installed Ubuntu 11.10 on a cobbled together box earlier today and i really like it [02:34] Messed around for 20 minutes getting a feel for things. I've been told the next LTS iteration is quite good so this gives me something to look forward to nearing the end of the month. [02:34] Thanks for all your hard work for us poors of the world. [02:37] i can afford to run windows.. and macos x.. financially that is [02:37] its the cost to my sanity that i cant afford :p [02:42] hi guys, did anyone else just run an update and have their close, minimize, and maximize buttons moved over to the right? [02:42] <|Slacker|> hello [02:42] <|Slacker|> how can I fix this: E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_main_binary-amd64_Packages [02:47] <|Slacker|> nevermind, I guess I fixed it [02:57] hmm.. latest upgrade wants to remove unity.. why? :P [02:59] snadge: are there any bugs reported? [03:02] im just dowing another package update.. it could be a repository sync issue [03:02] there was an update to nux === jtrucks is now known as jdevil === jdevil is now known as jtrucks [03:05] snadge: see the /topic [03:14] disable proposed repos? [03:16] ill just do an upgrade instead of dist-upgrade.. im already running precise.. so *shrugs* [03:16] also noticed a few :i386 libs havnen't been updated yet.. which will uninstall skype [03:18] snadge: sorry my thought was you had precise-proposed enabled, since I just updated and upgraded fine a minute ago [03:19] yeah its enabled [03:19] but its a known breakage.. update has been pushed to nux, but not unity.. im cool with that ;) === CQ_ is now known as CQ [03:55] Hi. I'm running Xubuntu 11.10. I have /home in a separate partition. If I do a fresh install of Xubuntu 12.04, is it expected to work? I know simple programs like .dropbox, .filezilla and that kind of stuff won't be a problem, but will I have problems with folders like .libreoffice, .gconf, .config/xfce4 ? [03:57] is there an easy way to enable remote X connections to the ubuntu desktop? [03:57] want to setup x2x [03:59] teamviewer is pretty easy... or any VNC server/client [04:01] holstein: so you think it would be easier to setup a vnc server rather than allow x connections to the default desktop? [04:02] depends on the need i suppose... freenx is not too crasy.. or nomachine [04:12] jetsaredim: why do you need remote desktop, what is your goal? [04:16] ActionParsnip: desktop/laptop side-by-side [04:16] i think i got it tho [04:16] turned on remote desktop on one system and then just x2vnc on the other [04:16] jetsaredim: but what are you doing on the remote system that needs the whole desktop? [04:16] ActionParsnip: i want the extra real estate [04:18] so my current load averages are hovering about 1 after upgrading to precise with nothing really running. top reports a tie in CPU usage roughly between compiz Xorg and Chrome. I don't recall it being this high on Oneiric. Is this normal? [04:19] it depends what chrome is doing [04:20] if flash is involved.. then thats to be expected [04:20] no flash [04:20] if its just a single blank window in chrome.. then no [04:20] and only 7 tabs [04:20] well Chrome isn't reported as using a lot [04:20] like 1-4% [04:21] and that's the thing - none of the processes seem to use a lot of CPU but the CPU usage is high [04:21] chrome is quite possibly displaying stuff.. which is why xorg and compiz are also doing stuff [04:21] ian_mac: when i have load issues it's usually compiz [04:21] if you kill chrome the cpu load will probably go down [04:22] hmm down to about .85 [04:22] so should I try adjusting compiz settings? [04:23] unity-panel-service, indicator-application-service, compiz, are all using about 3% for me [04:23] lol [04:23] plus xorg 1%.. firefox 1% [04:23] i have a load indicator applet running though.. which appears to use quite a bit [04:24] yes I had psensor applet running and that seemed to consume resources. Seemed... counterproductive [04:24] oh well [04:25] I guess such is life [04:26] yeah quitting that has dropped cpu usage considerably [04:26] indicator-multiload im using [04:26] meh ;) [04:26] its a conspiracy to try to stop us from monitoring our system resources [04:26] so the nsa can spy on us [04:26] hehe [04:27] well, maybe this is just the price you pay for the polish that Precise brings [04:27] i noticed that if i walk away from my system and let it time out to a blank screen [04:27] compiz will essentially take over everything [04:28] ah so maybe that is happening too. What initially got me looking was noticing that if I left my laptop sitting and came back it would be a lot hotter than I expected [04:28] jetsaredim: is it ok in Unity2D? [04:35] ActionParsnip: it didn't seem to matter [04:35] jetsaredim: bah [04:36] are you using fglrx? :p [04:36] no [05:42] anyone alive? [05:43] just wondering if anyone else has had issues doing an upgrade from 11.10 where the upgrade is taking 6+ hours [05:43] originally update manager told me 20 mins, and thats about how fast the packages downloaded... [05:43] but now that dpkg is "preparing" all the packages it's telling me around 7 hours [05:44] there seems to be a problem with network-manager-gnome, left or right click on the icon gives the same menu: Enable networking, Connection information, Edit connections... [05:45] i thought dpkg might be doing all the work from ram, but i have 9g free on my / [05:45] ...any suggestions? [05:50] Will the Beta be a pretty good idea on how the final product will look/feel like/turn out ? [05:52] Name141: Yes [05:52] GirlyGirl: are all the *buntu's avalable ? or just Ubuntu [05:53] Name141: You shouldn't expect any visible changes to the user experience. Although any critical bugs will be fixed. Yes all official varriants [05:53] GirlyGirl: ok. I'll check it out on a virtual machine and then wait on the real release for an install. [05:54] Name141: Instead of installing beta and then updates ... better use the daily images here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [05:56] GirlyGirl: was just wondering if Ubuntu will still be all Unityfied [05:56] I'm assuming yes [05:57] Name141: I assume yes ... haven't tried Ubuntu yet as I use Kubuntu [05:58] GirlyGirl: yeah. I suppose I'll try to get the Lubuntu one. [05:58] since it's all offical now [06:00] GirlyGirl: however I'm not seeing a big easy "download now" button for Lubuntu :/ [06:01] Name141: you can use the daily image like I said [06:02] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds [06:02] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/beta-2/ [06:02] oh [06:03] Comes to the same but if you use beta 2 you will have to eventually update to the same thing [06:03] Which varriant do you use now? [06:03] Windows XP count? :/ [06:03] I haven't ran Ubuntu since hardy. [06:03] and I decided to buy steam games. [06:04] (thus, back to windows...) [06:04] You might like to try Kubuntu ... seems really fast and functional compared to Ubuntu with unity. Or you can just try all varriants. [06:04] You can dual boot you know [06:05] Yeah. I'm just looking for something to get my machines off of XP. [06:05] now that I bought a 'gaming machine' and all [06:05] What are the specs? [06:06] this one? [06:06] or the other? [06:07] GirlyGirl: Lubuntu is even faster still :) [06:08] ActionParsnip: I may go Xubuntu.. not sure. Or just try to get rid of that evil Unity on Ubuntu [06:08] or you can adapt and learn to work with it [06:08] Ian_Corne: Or shoot it. [06:10] Name141: its not everyone's cup of tea, I don't mind it tbh [06:11] ActionParsnip: it sure aint mine. [06:11] Name141: The one you want to install it on obviously [06:11] GirlyGirl: E2160 + 4670 + WD Blue (probably SATA3 ? ) , 2 GB RAM [06:12] A dell Inspiron 530. [06:12] ActionParsnip: I wouldn't use lubuntu unless its for a pentium 3 or something [06:12] Name141: All varriants should work fine ... which graphic card [06:12] GirlyGirl: frees up more resources for apps, plus no Compiz making a stink [06:12] GirlyGirl: "+ 4670 +" [06:12] Radeon 4670. [06:13] XP + MSE = nightmare for me. [06:13] is the actual only reason I want to change. [06:13] I remember hardy running smoothly, besides FireFox [06:14] ActionParsnip: Yeah well but for me the resources used by kde vs its functionality fit my needs better than lubuntu. [06:21] Hi guys [06:21] My network is having issues and I was wondering if anyone could help. [06:21] I have 90% packet loss in ubuntu with either wired or wireless, but the same machine dualbooted into windows 7 experiences no issues. [06:24] Elmseeker: Which card do you have and which version of Ubuntu is this? (I noticed you crossposted in #ubuntu) [06:25] Yeah, sorry for the crosspost I had missed the msg to come here for 12.04 [06:25] I'm not sure what the card is, it's built in to the laptop [06:25] Elmseeker: use lspci to identify the card [06:26] but it's the same for both the ethernet and the wifi [06:26] k, brb [06:27] hello, is there some thing i am missing, chmod does not seem to work in 12.04 ? [06:27] realtek 8168B [06:27] actually says 8111/8168B [06:27] I have wifi disabled through the HW switch atm so I can't get that one. [06:28] Elmseeker: see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1890060 [06:29] Elmseeker: Did you figure it out? [06:30] Not yet [06:30] I am having to read the post then run to the other room to try stuff lol [06:30] but the mtu thing didn't work :( [06:31] Elmseeker: You need to find the correct mtu value from windows, not use the mtu in the thread command [06:31] hmm...k [06:31] brb [06:31] Elmseeker: And also use the correct interface names in place of eth0 [06:32] GirlyGirl: mtu values? I came late. What kind of chipset was it? Did you get that from elms dmesg or is it a normal ubuntu thing? [06:33] varikonniemi, with what command on what file? [06:33] sorry, i got it to work, it just seems that my os is unable to launch the executable [06:34] and the weird thing is, it says it is not found [06:34] and the weird thing is, it says it is not found q@varikonniemi-desktop:~/Desktop$ ./X-Plane\ 10\ Demo\ Installer\ Linux [06:34] bash: ./X-Plane 10 Demo Installer Linux: No such file or directory [06:35] Elmseeker: Try doing this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10283670&postcount=2 [06:35] It seems that ubuntu loads the driver of 8169 instead of 8168B [06:41] mtu is correct still same thing, I doubt it's a driver issue since it does the same thing with wifi [06:42] x-plane worked fine on 11.10 [06:42] but I will try it, be bck in a few, hopefully the driver won't be too big so I can get it during one of the short times I actually internet lol [07:03] New driver in and loaded, mtu is right, still same thing :( [07:06] Think I am just gonna reinstall ubuntu, make sure I didn't miss something. [07:24] hi all. I've tried dist-upgrading yesterday and now I'm stuck with a dependency error on libc-bin and a "A copy of the C library was found in an unexpected directory: '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.15.so'" error if trying a force install. Any known cure for these issue? [07:28] prodigel: did it hang? [07:28] bkerensa, it stops the install process [07:28] did you run all updates before you attempted upgrading? [07:29] and are you just trying to upgrade from 11.10 to precise? [07:29] bkerensa, I did upgrade from 11.10 some time ago, and since them doing regular updates/dist-upgrades [07:29] this one showed up only last night [07:30] prodigel: it is not necessary to do dist-upgrade [07:30] prodigel: you can just "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade [07:31] bkerensa, still doesn't work. breaks with the same errors [07:32] hmm [07:32] bkerensa, I guessthe libc problem is a blocker [07:32] prodigel: You will need to open a bug on this [07:33] prodigel: in reality dist-upgrade is more dynamic then a normal upgrade but it can cause issues [07:33] in this case dist-upgrade should sort out depends [07:33] but for some reason it is not which to me suggests something is broken ;) [07:38] How can I tell resolvconf to ignore the DNS servers provided by a VPN? I even tried specifying my own DNS servers at the network-manager "VPN settings" dialog, but *they* are ignored instead! :( [07:40] alkisg: if its not respecting your settings then perhaps file a bug? [07:41] bkerensa: sure, if it's not a PEBKAC... [07:41] alkisg: but here is some info about resolvconf and VNC [07:41] http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/ [07:45] I've disabled the "local resolver" dnsmasq instance, as I'm using a regular dnsmasq server instance instead. But I fear that some network manager ubuntu-specific patches are badly written and assume that the local resolver is always present... :( [07:58] I think resolveconf is the worst name for that application. Try to google it :D [07:59] you will only get resolv.conf hits. [08:00] egolost, well, that's what resolvconf is written to manage if I'm reading some of these results correctly, so I don't see a problem with it myself. [08:01] well update is finished hope everything works better [08:01] filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/980579 [08:01] Launchpad bug 980579 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "It's impossible to ignore VPN provided DNS servers" [Undecided,New] [08:01] egolost: google for "resolvconf" in quotes instead === ubuntu64bit is now known as topelo [08:08] cheese still don't work but if i change device with tvtime video cam works [08:13] ok now tvtime or MEtv don't work i'll try to uninstall and reinstall later [08:13] this is after the update [08:15] before the update tvtime and MEtv worked [08:16] using the hauppuage 850 usb tv adapter [08:18] Okay, so it seems that after installing 12.04, the upper bar and the left bar that activates on mouse-over don't ever appear. Any idea how I could invoke a shell? [08:18] Anyone installed 12.04 server yet? [08:19] youtube videos work good after update [08:23] * topelo is sleepy [08:24] ok, this happens: http://i.imgur.com/BAMUf.jpg [08:24] the left bar never appears on mouse-over either [08:24] I think it's a problem with compiz [08:24] (this is on a newly installed 12.04b4). any tips on what could be done? [08:25] I will be one sad panda if I have to just throw this out, I'll be most happy if this install can be salvaged somehow :) [08:27] g-nite [08:31] I want to invoke a terminal [08:31] someone tell me its path [08:31] since I still have the browser, etc. [08:32] QUICK! COME ON! [08:37] hey, upgrading to precise seems to break groupwise (http://paste.ubuntu.com/926070). This happens when opening an email (i.e. rendering html), other functionality doesn't seem to be affected. Any idea on how to get to the bottom of this? [08:37] everyl: do not cross post - what distro are you using ? [08:38] Hi, I'm having problem with usb modem (EVDO), could somebody point me the procedure to debug it? [08:39] ikonia: Ubuntu 12.04 (beta 2), as I am in #ubuntu+1 [08:39] unless I misunderstood your question? [08:39] everyl: ok, please don't ask for 12.04 questions in #ubuntu [08:39] please keep it in this channel [08:40] ikonia: this channel is dead. And the question I was asking was a pretty general one that it would apply to really both :) [08:41] no - it doesn't [08:41] please keep 12.04 to this channel, it's not dead but it's not as active as the main channel, that is part of price of running beta software, it's less supported and has more problems [08:42] I see where you're coming from, I guess [08:43] not really no [08:52] that was totally really mean. I am so sad now [08:52] Hello, i have a bug to report. Spring RTS, the most popular opensource RTS engine does not work nice with unity and precise. When in windowed mode, it insists on having the window with windows decorations on (it does not maximize properly) [08:53] everyl: try ctrl + alt + t [08:53] under gnome-shell it maximizes properly, this is something you really should have a look at [08:54] otherwise it's /usr/bin/gnome-terminal [08:54] Ian_Corne: seems to have effect. I was able to invoke a shell by going to /usb/bin and double-clicking xterm though [08:54] and everyl did you install, using an "old" home partition? [08:54] everyl: Try "unity --reset" [08:55] that's why I asked GirlyGirl :) [08:55] "unity: command not found" [08:56] what are you running? [08:56] regular ubuntu 12.04? [08:56] While running through my updates today, one update stops to display a changelog. This works fine while updating through the terminal, since I can close the changelog with Q, but I guess it will cause problems for the Update Manager? [08:56] And "less support is part of the price of running beta software" or whatever is not the point ... people use 12.04 for bug triage and testing purposes [08:58] the problem dominantly seems to be with compiz and / or nvidia drivers. That's what it keeps telling me is acting up, and tells me to restart.. and still the problem occurs, in an endless cycle [08:59] you're not answering the question [08:59] are you running ubuntu 12.04 [09:01] everyl: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, then unity --reset [09:04] (though I worry still!) [09:17] I suppose it's interesting the installation iso is 735 MB [09:17] just marginally larger than a standard blank disc's storage capacity [09:18] if it was going to exceed 700mb, why not just go all the way up to 2gb+ or whatever [09:26] harold: It will probably change by final [09:27] I can't be bothered to burn a disk every 6 months, so its always dd to the usb disk for me [09:28] harold: Which iso are you referring to? [09:28] 12.04's [09:28] for x86 [09:29] harold: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds/15301/downloads ... its not 735 mb [09:36] hm, where is the size specified on that page? [09:36] or did you initiate download and see? [09:38] everyl: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ has the sizes [09:41] ah ok, those are the daily builds. [09:43] Exception during pm.DoInstall(): E:Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6 for libnih1, probably a dependency cycle. [09:43] is this known ? :) [11:15] there was a command that would keep ubuntu as up to date as possible [11:15] what was it again? [11:16] harold: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade [11:16] i presume [11:32] harold, tomodachi: you should be very carefull with dist-upgrade [11:33] it has very agressive dependancies resolving, if you do it at the wrong moment, lets say, when not all needed packages are in the repos [11:33] it can delete half of your system [11:35] ironhalik: when would the needed packages not be in the repos? [11:37] when some projects got updated, and others didnt [11:37] believe me, check if something, and what, is being removed during dist-upgrade [11:38] it happens once in ten times, but I learned that after I lost ubuntu-desktop :) [11:40] anyone know how to use aplay to test sound in terminal? [11:45] is the 32lib-multiarch fixed? [11:45] ia32-libs-multiarch [11:46] * gnomefreak didnt know it was broken [11:46] it works? then where from can I download it? [11:47] I have a 64bit architecture and want to install google earth 64 bit, for that I need that lib [11:47] martinphone: i dont know if it works i dont have itinstalled [11:47] * gnomefreak running 32bit :) [11:47] is there a ubuntu 64 bit channel? [11:47] no [11:48] i would file a bug on it being this late in devel [11:48] i do need an account to fill a bug, dont i? [11:49] a ;aunchpad one yes [11:50] launchpad even [11:50] very easy and fast to set up. at least it used to gbe when i got mine [11:50] s/gbe/be [11:51] jussi: any idea on how to use aplay to test term [11:51] i know aplay -P but it needs a file afaict [11:54] what if I download http://pkgs.org/download/ia32-libs-multiarch ? [11:55] that should be upgraded its a bit old [11:56]