[14:59]  * skaet waves
[14:59]  * scott-work waves back
[15:00] <tumbleweed> hi
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01]  * ScottK is here for Kubuntu - jr is out.
[15:01] <skaet> hmm... why isn't the meeting starting....
[15:01] <roadmr> bot broken?
[15:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01] <ogra_> seems all bots are confused a bit the last days
[15:01] <skaet> appears so.
[15:01]  * ogra_ had issues in other channels with the bugbots
[15:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[15:01] <skaet> Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause and ask questions. :)
[15:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found:
[15:01] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-04-13
[15:01] <skaet> Individual team status links will be added to it from:
[15:01] <tumbleweed> bot missing
[15:01] <skaet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/thread.html
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> We've now passed Final Freeze, and the archive is frozen.    Changes to the unseeded universe can continue to go in, but changes to seeded packages will need to be release critical at this point before they'll be accepted.
[15:01] <skaet> #ubuntu-release if questions, please.
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Schedule is at:
[15:02] <skaet>  #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[15:02] <skaet> Key Upcoming Dates:
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/13 - LanguagePackTestRebuild
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/17 - LanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/19 - Release Candidate Images start
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/24 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze at 1200 UTC
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/04/26 - Release
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[15:02] <skaet> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[15:02] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Individual Team Statuses Received by 1500 UTC:
[15:02] <skaet> Hardware Certification - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001130.html- brendand
[15:02]  * stgraber waves
[15:02] <skaet> Quality Assurance -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001132.html - jibel
[15:02] <skaet> Security team  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001120.html - jdstrand
[15:02] <skaet> Kernel team -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001119.html- ogasawara
[15:02] <skaet> Foundations - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001134.html-  cjwatson
[15:02] <skaet> Server - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001136.html -arosales
[15:02] <skaet> Linaro - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001126.html  - fabo
[15:02] <skaet> Ubuntu One - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001122.html -  joshuahoover
[15:02] <skaet> Desktop Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001124.html - pitti
[15:02] <skaet> Unity Framework Team -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001125.html - dbarth
[15:03] <skaet> Unity Services and Settings -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001129.html- Cimi
[15:03] <skaet> Kubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001133.html -  Riddell
[15:03] <skaet> Edubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001123.html- stgraber or highvoltage
[15:03] <skaet> Xubuntu -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001128.html - astraljava
[15:03] <skaet> Ubuntu Studio -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001135.html- scott-work
[15:03] <skaet> Lubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-April/001127.html - gilir
[15:03] <skaet> Mythbuntu -  - superm1
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> hi all,   I figure we'll just  carry on without the bot,  and use the IRC logs for this one.
[15:03]  * arosales apologies for the late submission for server
[15:03] <arosales> ..
[15:04] <skaet> Thanks to all who had their status in last night.   There were lots of late adittions,  so if something is mentioned that is in your status,  please be patient.  :)
[15:04] <skaet> [TOPIC] Comments, Question and Answer Session
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <skaet> Teams are encouraged to start testing in earnest now.  We have this upcoming week to find and fix the release critical bugs.
[15:04] <cjwatson> yes, sorry, I was travelling last night
[15:04] <skaet> cjwatson, lots of meat in your, just didn't digest it all yet.  :)
[15:05] <pitti> FTR, we are this -> <- close to finishing unity 5.10, should be in precise in an hour or two
[15:05] <skaet> anyhow,   please,  please,  please... start testing the images emerging.   We need to find any blockers ASAP.
[15:06] <skaet> gilir,  is Bug:967348 a blocker for release for your team?  couldn't quite tell from your description in the weekly.
[15:07] <stgraber> bug 967348
[15:07] <gilir> skaet, not a blocker for the release, could be deal with an SRU
[15:07] <cjwatson> last I looked it wasn't actually still happening
[15:07] <skaet> thanks gilir.   noted.  :)
[15:07] <cjwatson> but I hadn't had time to do the archaeology to determine why it happened at some point in the past
[15:07] <gilir> I will check with the last ISO
[15:08] <gilir> cjwatson, I can probably workaround it by adding depends instead of recommends
[15:08] <jbicha> good morning
[15:09] <skaet> ..
[15:09] <skaet> ogra_, infinity, fabo - From fabo's status,  OpenGL ES2.0 for ARM - will we be trying for this as SRU or still trying to squeeze this in for ARM?
[15:09] <skaet> or for 10.04.1?
[15:09] <skaet> heh,  12.04.1
[15:09] <skaet> rather
[15:09] <ogra_> skaet, its all done
[15:10] <cjwatson> gilir: not entirely sure you should need to, although you guys sure do have schizophrenia about recommends :)
[15:10] <skaet> ogra_, done as in,  in and working,  or .... ?
[15:10] <skaet> :)
[15:10] <ogra_> in and building
[15:10] <ogra_> :)
[15:10] <ogra_> (and "more" working than before for sure ... )
[15:11] <skaet> ogra_  ok,  so still bugs may emerge and will be area of churn next week.   Lots of testing requested here,  yes?
[15:11] <ogra_> sure, but what we have now, even if it would be buggy is more than nothing
[15:11] <ogra_> which we had before
[15:12]  * skaet nods
[15:12] <ogra_> (nothing meaning unity immediately segfaulting)
[15:12] <skaet> ..
[15:12] <ogra_> ..
[15:12] <skaet> Late landings requested:  Desktop:Gnome 3.4.1 tarballs(4/16), Edubuntu:ldm, Server:MaaS, OpenStack, Quantum anything else?
[15:13] <pitti> langpacks, FTR
[15:13] <pitti> and apport/kerneloops for disabling for release
[15:13] <pitti> note this time we won't disable apport completely, just disable crashh reports to LP
[15:14] <pitti> we'll keep crash reports to whoopsie
[15:14] <skaet> langpacks are scheduled for 4/17  (see backscroll). :)   Will add apport/kerneloops to plan - thanks.
[15:15] <skaet> arosales, Daviey - have I caught the key server ones?  or more looming?
[15:15] <skaet> ScottK, any last ones from Kubuntu?
[15:15] <arosales> skaet: there ~may~ be a late CEPH landing, but that is still under review.
[15:15] <arosales> ..
[15:15] <skaet> noted arosales,  thanks.
[15:16] <cjwatson> we have at least one more ubiquity upload, for bug 922949
[15:16] <ScottK> skaet: No. The plymouth upload I mentioned in the mail is in queue now.
[15:16] <cjwatson> that'll be today
[15:16] <ScottK> There is potential for Active related surprises, but they would be surprises.
[15:16] <ScottK> ..
[15:16] <cjwatson> possibly update-manager changes as well
[15:17] <skaet> thanks ScottK, cjwatson, pitti.    will add that data to the list.
[15:17] <stgraber> for ldm, I've been told by the debian maintainer that he'll upload in a few hours, so I'm hoping to have the sync in the queue later today (can take a while before a debian upload is syncable though)
[15:17]  * mvo would like to get some software-center fixes in if possible, if not I will start using precise-proposed now
[15:17] <cjwatson> you can use precise-proposed anyway, and we can sync to release if there's time
[15:18]  * highvoltage is doing some Edubuntu/LTSP testing today and have a few bugs to file, nothing too serious though
[15:18] <skaet> thanks mvo,  highvoltage.
[15:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: for that installer checkbox theme, can you check if it also happens in regular (non-ubiquity) apps? (thinking of edubuntu-menueditor as a good example of a similar layout)
[15:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: if it's ubiquity-only, I should be able to do a css override to make them look right
[15:20] <stgraber> (the issue I'm referring to here is visible in
[15:20] <stgraber> http://irc.jonathancarter.org/files/temp/installer-tickmarks.png)
[15:20] <highvoltage> stgraber: yes, I'll try it out
[15:20] <skaet> ok,  will move on,  if others think of things,  please add to discussion before end of meeting.   All data is useful right now so we can navigate this upcoming week with as few bumps as possible.
[15:20] <skaet> ..
[15:20] <stgraber> (basically checkboxes in the installer look like they're inactive/grayed out when they aren't, that's minor but should be easy to override in ubiquity's css override)
[15:20] <stgraber> ..
[15:21] <ScottK> I think archive skew is our biggest near term problem.
[15:21] <ScottK> ..
[15:21] <skaet> ScottK,  arm & powerpc?   -things going into -proposed not helping?
[15:21] <skaet> can you elaborate
[15:21] <cjwatson> looks like it should catch up over the weekend
[15:22] <ScottK> Putting stuff in proposed helps at any given instant, but to get to final we still need them all built.
[15:22] <ScottK> cjwatson: Agreed.
[15:22]  * skaet nods
[15:22] <cjwatson> though much though I'm sure it's fun to beat on minority architectures, i386 is currently furthest behind :-P
[15:22] <ScottK> Part of that's the rebuild though
[15:23] <cjwatson> true
[15:23] <ScottK> We're up at or new half a week since a Universe package got built on powerpc (as an example)
[15:23] <cjwatson> still working on getting that extra powerpc buildd, apparently sulfur is now ready for installation as a livefs buildd
[15:23] <ScottK> Arm was similar until today.
[15:23] <ScottK> Cool.
[15:23] <pitti> cjwatson: we got new delta langpacks today, before i386 was fine, FTR
[15:24] <cjwatson> also I suspect the ppl build fix single-handedly set powerpc back quite a bit
[15:24] <ScottK> This was part of the genesis of my suggestion about prioritizing builds differently (watching this week)
[15:24] <ScottK> ..
[15:25] <skaet> ScottK,  I appear to have missed it in the backscrolls,  can you point me to the right location from the IRC backscrolls after the meeting, so I can catch up,  its definitely worth discussing in #ubuntu-release later.
[15:26] <skaet> ..
[15:26] <cjwatson> skaet: the prioritisation suggestion was on ubuntu-devel (e-mail)
[15:26] <cjwatson> ..
[15:26] <skaet> thanks cjwatson,  ok,  hadn't gotten to that email list yet this morning.   will follow up there.
[15:26] <skaet> ..
[15:26] <skaet> Cimi,  are the bugs listed in your summary ones that are in now,  or target for this next week and SRUs?
[15:26] <skaet>    Which are the ones that must go in (true Release Critical)?
[15:27] <Cimi> skaet, current week, utouch SRU
[15:27] <Cimi> skaet, all indicator bugs landed in the releases
[15:27] <Cimi> skaet, utouch will be proposed as SRUs
[15:28] <skaet> Cimi,  anything release critical between now and next Thursday?
[15:28] <Cimi> skaet, no, all fine
[15:29] <skaet> Cimi,  thanks.  :D  glad to hear.
[15:29] <Cimi> yw
[15:29] <skaet> ..
[15:30] <skaet> General question to each of the teams:  are there any known bugs that are NOT SRU-able, and have not been mentioned in the discussion already,  that MUST be fixed before release (ie. release critical) that are NOT on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html?
[15:31] <cjwatson> bug 980772 needs investigation from us
[15:31] <jdstrand> none from the security team
[15:31] <jibel> bug 979350 worries me
[15:31] <cjwatson> mm, I wondered if that was a webkit bug
[15:31] <jdstrand> cjwatson: this one is interesting too: bug 980835
[15:32] <cjwatson> jdstrand: I saw your discussion about that on #ubuntu-devel and was inclined to agree with what appeared to be consensus that it wasn't a real problem in practice
[15:32] <jdstrand> probably sru-able, but I'll let others decide
[15:32] <jdstrand> cjwatson: did you see my further comments in the bug?
[15:32] <cjwatson> jibel: I do most of my testing in 512MB VMs and haven't noticed that kind of slideshow memory use
[15:32] <cjwatson> jdstrand: no, I've been too busy
[15:32] <jdstrand> cjwatson: we are providing looser permissions than the udev default of 0620
[15:32] <jdstrand> and I can't see why it is justified
[15:33] <jdstrand> anyhoo, that can be looked at later
[15:33] <cjwatson> I'm not opposed to 0620 but maybe infinity can look into that, since he was already active in the discussion
[15:33] <cjwatson> (basically 'mesg y' vs. 'mesg n')
[15:34] <jdstrand> I'm fine with someone saying "Won't Fix" we want this change. it just seemed odd to override udev without a reason
[15:35] <skaet> thanks cjwatson, jibel, jdstrand.
[15:35] <skaet> ogasawara - have noted the ones you want to include if there's a good reason from your email.
[15:36] <skaet> pitti,  anything beyond what's already mentioned/in your email?
[15:36] <skaet> ogra_, anything release critical known at this point, or wait for testing mode right now?
[15:36] <pitti> skaet: not from my side; I'm not currently aware of desktop-ish RC bugs that can't be SRU, with maybe the exception of bug 942539
[15:37] <ogasawara> skaet: ack.  they're not release critical, but would be nice to have if we are forced to upload for a release critical issue.
[15:37] <pitti> ^ this has a workaround by adding some \n, but it's a bit messy
[15:37] <ogra_> skaet, testing all the way
[15:37] <pitti> I can try and look into nautilus for that, but not before Monday
[15:37] <ogra_> eventhing unity GLES releated has to be SRU now
[15:37] <cjwatson> pitti: adding some \n is an unacceptable workaround - not sustainable with translations
[15:37] <ogra_> important was that we get the infrastructure into the packages and that the patches dont make them FTBFS
[15:37] <pitti> yes, that's what I mentioned in the bug
[15:38] <cjwatson> so IMO that's not "has a workaround" :-)
[15:38] <skaet> thanks ogasawara, pitti, ogra_
[15:39] <skaet> Daviey, arosales - any release critical bugs known at this point,  that can't be SRU'd or are we waiting the results of testing.
[15:39] <skaet> ?
[15:40] <arosales> skaet: we have a few moving targets with MAAS, but it looks like we have the bits in we need. Couple of new bugs this week we are looking at. Nothing at the moment that we already haven't mentioned that needs to go in without an SRU
[15:40] <arosales> ..
[15:40] <skaet> thanks arosales.
[15:41] <skaet> dbarth,  how about your team's perspective?   nothing known other than what we find pending testing of the newest drop at this point?
[15:42]  * skaet had gotten Cimi's imput earlier.  :)
[15:42] <didrocks> skaet: nothing really worrying, we hope to be able to land fixes for bug #979770
[15:42] <didrocks> (this one has a fix and it's confirmed already)
[15:42] <didrocks> and bug #978401 which is a long bamf standing bug
[15:42] <skaet> thanks didrocks
[15:43] <didrocks> apart from that, there is no known worrying crashers for the past week on the tested version
[15:44] <skaet> ..?
[15:44] <didrocks> that's it for me ;)
[15:45] <skaet> thanks didrocks.  :)
[15:45] <didrocks> I meant, the current version in proposed is already tested for a week and we didn't get any crashers we didn't fix
[15:46] <skaet> yup.  and am keeping my fingers crossed too that no surprises show up once its in the daily images.
[15:46] <skaet> :)
[15:46] <skaet> ScottK, stgraber, highvoltage, astraljava, scott-work, gilir, superm1 - any release critical bugs on your radar not already mentioned earlier today or in the emails?
[15:46] <ScottK> Not that I know of.  There was a cluster-glue one, but that's fixed.
[15:46] <stgraber> nope
[15:47] <gilir> no
[15:48] <skaet> thanks ScottK, stgraber, gilir.    I'll follow up with the others we haven't heard from after the meeting.
[15:48] <skaet> ..
[15:48] <skaet> Does anyone have other questions to bring up?
[15:51] <scott-work> skaet: not release critical bugs of which i am aware
[15:52] <skaet> thanks scott-work
[15:52] <skaet> Ok,  before we end the meeting,  just wanted to say thank you to all the teams for the excellent work that's been going on over the last week and the bug fixes that have been coming in.    Please keep up the testing.    This release is shaping up well to be something we can all be very proud of!
[15:52] <arosales> +1
[15:53] <pitti> +1, too!
[15:53] <ogra_> ++
[15:54] <skaet> Next week will be last weekly meeting until we resume for q-series after UDS.
[15:54] <skaet> Thanks for your participation, brendand, jibel, jdstrand, cjwatson, ogra_, pitti,  arosales,  fabo, Cimi, ScottK, gilir, jbicha, ogasawara,  scott-work, didrocks.
[15:54] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:54] <pitti> thanks skaet
[15:54] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyone!
[15:54] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[15:54] <arosales> thanks for chairing skaet
[15:54] <jibel> thanks skaet
[15:54] <didrocks> thanks skaet ;)
[15:54] <Cimi> thanks!
[15:55] <stgraber> thanks
[15:55] <roadmr> skaet, thanks! heh
[15:55] <skaet> sorry roadmr,  my oops on that.
[15:55] <skaet> thanks for participating.  :)
[15:58] <scott-work> skaet: i noticed that our development (i.e. bug fixes) became rather frantic towards to the end of hte cycle, indeed, we probably had the most activity during this time
[15:58] <scott-work> skaet: is this going to be a "normal" or routine occourence?
[15:58] <jdstrand> skaet: thanks
[15:58] <scott-work> *occurrence*
[16:01] <skaet> scott-work,   there's a tension between feature creation and bug fixing, in terms of where the development focus is.
[16:02] <skaet> what we've been seeing is fairly normal, for a development only release,  less than ideal for an LTS one.
[16:03] <scott-work> skaet: i should be clearer, my focus was only intended for the ubuntu studio group, not ubuntu as a whole
[16:03] <scott-work> and i contrast this release against the recent previous releases as we actually had substantial development this cycle
[16:11] <skaet> scott-work,  :)   ah then,  yes,  pattern is normal when there's been development.
[16:44] <astraljava> skaet: Sorry I missed the meeting. No critical bugs have surfaced thus far.
[16:49] <skaet> thanks astraljava.  :)
[16:57] <bdfhjk> Hello, if someone is waiting here for Ubuntu Algorithm Classes - chat room was changed, now it is on #ubuntu-classroom
[17:30] <dbarth> skaet: sorry, was in other meetings; yes, nothing else, and what didrocks contributed in the discussion; i proposed him to attend