| dholbach | good morning | 06:57 |
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| ajmitch | morning dholbach | 07:05 |
| dholbach | hi ajmitch | 07:05 |
| dholbach | huats, warp10, broder: any comments on the report? | 07:15 |
| huats | morning ! | 07:16 |
| dholbach | salut huats | 07:16 |
| huats | dholbach: honnestly I found it great | 07:16 |
| huats | and I am really impressed by the work done | 07:17 |
| dholbach | huats, you had some comments about the 'conclusions' section - if you could look over it again and suggest something that is missing, that'd be nice | 07:17 |
| huats | dholbach: sure | 07:17 |
| Zhenech | mh, how are my chances to upload a new upstream minor(bugsfix) release to debian tomorrow and get it synced in time for precise? | 07:36 |
| dholbach | zhenech: which package is it? | 07:38 |
| Zhenech | dholbach, pokerth (a poker game/client), so pretty leaf-package | 07:38 |
| dholbach | it certainly sounds doable | 07:39 |
| Zhenech | cool, thanks | 07:40 |
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| Whoopie | broder: Hi, have you found some time to look at bug 898003? Or could another dev have a look? The new package is to avoid a regression in precise. | 09:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 898003 in usbip (Ubuntu) "usbip source is maintained in kernel tree now" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898003 | 09:40 |
| Whoopie | dholbach: ^ do you have perhaps some time? | 09:43 |
| dholbach | Whoopie, can you maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel - it looks like there are currently two patch pilots available | 09:44 |
| dholbach | I'm a bit busy with something else right now | 09:44 |
| Whoopie | dholbach: sure, thanks for the hint. | 09:45 |
| dholbach | de nada | 09:45 |
| dholbach | (just check the topic) | 09:46 |
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| broder | dholbach: sorry, i've basically not been reading any ubuntu-related emails since starting my new job last week. i think i'm likely to be pretty useless until uds | 11:27 |
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| ScottK | tumbleweed: Thanks for taking care of my u-d-t bug so quickly. | 13:29 |
| dholbach | broder, no, that's fine :) | 13:39 |
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| vibhav | Is ubuntuwire down? | 13:46 |
| tumbleweed | ScottK: np | 13:50 |
| ScottK | vibhav: It seems so. | 13:51 |
| vibhav | ah | 13:53 |
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| jtaylor | is it possible to add an rc to precise and possible update it to final also after release? | 16:34 |
| jtaylor | concerns matplotlib | 16:35 |
| tumbleweed | that's a question for the SRU team. But I don't know of this ever happening | 16:37 |
| gotwig | I think I found a broken package | 16:39 |
| gotwig | npm and/or nodejs(-dev) seems to be broken | 16:40 |
| gotwig | people on the web said the npm version is too old | 16:40 |
| gotwig | Radium: hey | 16:41 |
| gotwig | Do you want a paste ? | 16:41 |
| gotwig | tough its very easy to install npm without a package | 16:41 |
| gotwig | ok, here is the paste.... | 16:42 |
| gotwig | http://paste.ubuntu.com/928180/ | 16:42 |
| jtaylor | gotwig: does the version in debian work? | 16:47 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: yes | 16:48 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: I think so | 16:48 |
| gotwig | they have a newer version | 16:48 |
| gotwig | its an old bug | 16:48 |
| gotwig | but its a shame | 16:48 |
| gotwig | that a broken packages comes into precise | 16:48 |
| jtaylor | it has no rdepends and ts broken, I guess its feasable to update it | 16:48 |
| gotwig | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/npm/+bug/863094 | 16:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 863094 in npm (Ubuntu) "npm versions less than 1.1 will not work with registry.npmjs.org" [Critical,Triaged] | 16:48 |
| gotwig | critical but triaged :/ | 16:49 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: do you think there is a way? couse of feature freeze | 16:49 |
| jtaylor | can you need a feature freeze exception | 16:49 |
| gotwig | becouse if there is no way; you are not able to use node.js with packages | 16:50 |
| gotwig | if that affects ubuntu server | 16:50 |
| gotwig | its very very | 16:50 |
| gotwig | bad | 16:50 |
| gotwig | and I think; it does! | 16:50 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: please help | 16:50 |
| gotwig | philipballew: hey | 16:50 |
| gotwig | may anyone else help??? | 16:52 |
| jtaylor | hm it needs a whole tail of other packages ... | 16:52 |
| gotwig | becouse this is critical | 16:52 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: example? | 16:52 |
| jtaylor | some of them are RC in debian | 16:52 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: hm, so what can we do...? | 16:53 |
| jtaylor | gotwig: let me check what is all needed | 16:54 |
| SpamapS | gotwig: hi! | 16:56 |
| tumbleweed | SpamapS: there's been a fair bit of discussion of that here too | 16:56 |
| SpamapS | Ok | 16:56 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: hey | 16:57 |
| jtaylor | gotwig: we'd ahve to pull a huge node stack for it which has never reached debian testing | 16:57 |
| gotwig | !logs | 16:57 |
| ubottu | Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ | 16:57 |
| jtaylor | + the main executable has 2 RC bugs one of them might cause a name change in future | 16:57 |
| tumbleweed | SpamapS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/928200/ | 16:57 |
| jtaylor | I think its better to remove it from precise | 16:57 |
| SpamapS | If we ship npm, we're shipping it alone | 16:57 |
| tumbleweed | gotwig: logs only update hourly | 16:57 |
| SpamapS | the debian version is pretty much dead | 16:57 |
| SpamapS | unless something changed in the last 2 weeks | 16:58 |
| jtaylor | its been updated | 16:58 |
| jtaylor | 5 days ago | 16:58 |
| SpamapS | oh thats good to hear | 16:58 |
| SpamapS | so what else are we missing? | 16:58 |
| jtaylor | ~ 10 packages | 16:58 |
| jtaylor | lots of node-+ stuff | 16:58 |
| gotwig | that also affects ubuntu server, right? | 16:59 |
| jtaylor | I don't like debian bug 611698 | 17:00 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 611698 in nodejs "nodejs: conflicts with package node needlessly" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/611698 | 17:00 |
| tumbleweed | gotwig: ubuntu server is ubuntu. Just some different packages installed by default | 17:00 |
| tumbleweed | jtaylor: that bug isn't particularly new, thuogh | 17:01 |
| jtaylor | yes have it in oneiric already | 17:01 |
| jtaylor | so its probably not so bud | 17:01 |
| jtaylor | though it will cause problem when the debian maintainer gives in and renames it | 17:01 |
| tumbleweed | it sounds like ax25 node is being renamed | 17:01 |
| SpamapS | not having /usr/bin/node as nodejs binary path will without any | 17:01 |
| SpamapS | doubt render nodejs package unuseful for a vast majority of users. | 17:01 |
| SpamapS | I have to agree with that | 17:01 |
| tumbleweed | IIRC ax25 node doesn't need to be on PATH, and really, *who* uses it... | 17:02 |
| SpamapS | The fact that node.js, a widly popular program, uses the same namespace as node, an almost completely unknown program, should not mean that node.js has to call itself something else. That is *insanity* | 17:02 |
| tumbleweed | OTOH, the debian policy around that is sane | 17:03 |
| tumbleweed | things just take time to shake out | 17:03 |
| SpamapS | So, I'd rather ship with a Conflicts to node, than not ship at all | 17:04 |
| tumbleweed | +1 | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | inappropriate? yes, likely to cause problems? no. | 17:04 |
| jtaylor | ok then who files the FFE for all the node- packages? :) | 17:04 |
| gotwig | +t | 17:05 |
| jtaylor | doing it on so short notice risks that we ship with a new but broken node stack :/ | 17:05 |
| gotwig | +1 :/ | 17:05 |
| tumbleweed | jtaylor: none of the node stack is seeded, so we have some time still | 17:06 |
| jtaylor | gotwig, SpamapS: if you get an FFe I can help with syncing etc but I'm not using node myself, so you need to do some testing | 17:07 |
| SpamapS | We have some node.js apps in the juju charm store. Testing is as easy as 'juju bootstrap && juju deploy subway' :) | 17:08 |
| SpamapS | In fact subway uses npm too | 17:08 |
| SpamapS | (it points at the PPA right now.. so we'd have to tinker a bit, but yeah, I can test easily enough) | 17:08 |
| SpamapS | So is this an FFE just for syncs from debian? | 17:09 |
| jtaylor | and the new version of npm | 17:09 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: I am not a packager, or what ever :( | 17:10 |
| jtaylor | gotwig: but you can test? | 17:10 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: yes, but I also dont have *much* time | 17:10 |
| gotwig | only a few hours :X | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | I can put an hour into testing. | 17:11 |
| gotwig | hm, so *what* exactly | 17:11 |
| gotwig | is there a stable package somewhere? | 17:12 |
| gotwig | there are few ubuntu ppa's with packages, right... ? | 17:12 |
| gotwig | but they are not actual, I think | 17:12 |
| gotwig | so whats with all these dependencies? | 17:16 |
| onli | hi. can someone direct me to what i should do if i have a new version of a program, which is in universe but not developed anymore, and would like the ubuntu-package to use the new version (which is on github instead of sourceforge, where the original version was?)? | 17:18 |
| tumbleweed | onli: contact the debian maintainer of the package (possibly by filing a bug) | 17:19 |
| onli | tumbleweed: i tried that. he is not active anymore (he lead me here ;) ) | 17:20 |
| tumbleweed | onli: which package? | 17:20 |
| onli | tumbleweed, simdock | 17:20 |
| SpamapS | gotwig: So what we should probably do is pull the desired packages into a clean precise PPA and test them, then if we're satisfied that this is what we want for precise, file the FFE. | 17:20 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: ok. It looks that there not a few packages that are dependencies and right now not part of universe | 17:22 |
| gotwig | 're | 17:22 |
| SpamapS | gotwig: if you can note all of them, I can put them into a precise PPA. | 17:22 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: hm, I try to... | 17:23 |
| SpamapS | part of me wants to say meh.. and just drop node and npm.. they move pretty fast.. and in a year, nobody will want the version in precise anyway | 17:25 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: but than the whole infrastructure cra*hes | 17:25 |
| gotwig | :X | 17:25 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/npm.html that does not look good, the thing in () | 17:26 |
| gotwig | all unconsidered | 17:26 |
| jtaylor | it all goes down to nodejs | 17:26 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: Are you able import these packages for testing into a ppa ? | 17:26 |
| jtaylor | is it likely that there is a "whole infrastructure" ? | 17:26 |
| jtaylor | npm only exists in oneiric | 17:26 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: not exactly npm | 17:27 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: but the whole charms thing... etc. | 17:27 |
| gotwig | npm is needed to install dependencies, etc... | 17:27 |
| SpamapS | npm is node's cpan | 17:28 |
| jtaylor | then they are already broken | 17:28 |
| gotwig | jtaylor: seems so | 17:28 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: ^ | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | gotwig: ? | 17:28 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: are you able to import these packages, directly? | 17:28 |
| SpamapS | which packages? | 17:29 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: the dependencies for the "new" npm on http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/npm.html | 17:29 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: and npm | 17:29 |
| jtaylor | they should all be syncable | 17:29 |
| SpamapS | ahh | 17:30 |
| SpamapS | yeah thats easy enough | 17:30 |
| SpamapS | how do we handle NEW on syncs? | 17:30 |
| SpamapS | like do we just let it go through since it already passed debian's NEW? | 17:30 |
| gotwig | NEW? | 17:31 |
| gotwig | what do you mean | 17:31 |
| jtaylor | someone from -release needs to check them | 17:31 |
| SpamapS | packages that don't exist in ubuntu hit the "NEW" queue | 17:31 |
| gotwig | oh 1.1.16 ? | 17:32 |
| Laney | technically it is the same, practically it is just approved | 17:32 |
| gotwig | ohh ok | 17:32 |
| Laney | but it is still manual | 17:32 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: why dont package the very new version...? | 17:32 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: or is that not stable? :X | 17:32 |
| SpamapS | why don't we package everything from trunk? | 17:32 |
| SpamapS | at some point.. | 17:33 |
| * EvilResistance chuckles | 17:33 | |
| SpamapS | pick a version.. and test it | 17:33 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: what xD? | 17:33 |
| gotwig | SpamapS: :/ but that testing may take very long | 17:33 |
| * SpamapS is so tired of working on the bleeding edge all the time.. :-P | 17:33 | |
| EvilResistance | anyways, can someone point me to the formatting for package update/sync requests for post-release versions of Ubuntu? | 17:33 |
| EvilResistance | SpamapS: you and me both :p | 17:33 |
| * gotwig likes to dance, but he is unable | 17:34 | |
| * gotwig has dreams of a better npm for Ubuntu and the World | 17:34 | |
| SpamapS | gotwig: it will be better.. until the next NPM shift where they break their repo's again.. | 17:34 |
| jtaylor | fast moving large stacks are not things that work well in ubuntu :/ | 17:35 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, universe is meant to be a convenience for tools and things that will be useful for a while. node developers are going to hate the version from precise. | 17:35 |
| SpamapS | Its already 0.6.12 and 0.6.14 is out.. quick call the flying monkies and get me that new version! | 17:36 |
| tumbleweed | even if it wsa brand new today, they'll hate it in6 months, never mind 5 years | 17:36 |
| * gotwig_ 's internet is broken | 17:38 | |
| gotwig_ | do you got my last message? | 17:38 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: so are you going to use 1.1.16? | 17:38 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: no, I'm going to at best sync what is in Debian | 17:39 |
| SpamapS | if it all builds fine | 17:40 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: ok, I hope that version is fine | 17:40 |
| SpamapS | ok I'm uploading all of those packages to this PPA https://launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/+archive/latesyncs | 17:40 |
| SpamapS | I'll try the subway nodejs app with it once it all builds. If that succeeds, I'll file the FFE to sync all those packages in and do the sync myself. | 17:41 |
| jtaylor | you need someone to ack a whole bunch of packages, maybe its better to file the FFe first to see if someone is willing to do that? | 17:42 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: and please dont forget the viruses lol | 17:42 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: how have you synced them so fast :O ? | 17:43 |
| tumbleweed | I'm happy to review the FFe, if nobody gets there earlier | 17:43 |
| gotwig_ | tumbleweed: oh yes, please ^^ | 17:43 |
| gotwig_ | tumbleweed: what do you mean :X | 17:43 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: backportpackage .. amazing tool | 17:44 |
| jtaylor | :( seeded-in-ubuntu times out | 17:44 |
| SpamapS | $ for i in npm node-abbrev node-fstream node-graceful-fs node-ini node-minimatch node-mkdirp node-nopt node-request node-rimraf node-semver node-tar node-which ; do backportpackage -u ppa:clint-fewbar/latesyncs -s unstable -d precise -y -w . $i ; done | 17:44 |
| SpamapS | specifically | 17:44 |
| jtaylor | just for me or everyone? | 17:44 |
| tumbleweed | jtaylor: ubuntuwire is down | 17:44 |
| jtaylor | k | 17:44 |
| tumbleweed | I'll set up another source for that data | 17:44 |
| gotwig_ | tumbleweed: can you make a FFe? | 17:44 |
| tumbleweed | gotwig_: can't review it until you've done the testing :) | 17:45 |
| gotwig_ | tumbleweed: oh thats what you want ;) | 17:46 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: take a deep breath. :) | 17:46 |
| gotwig_ | alright, but I have to note, I only noted the error when I wanted to install npm to install dependencies xD | 17:46 |
| gotwig_ | so I can try node.js I am a total noob... | 17:47 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: looks like the PPA builders are about 20 minutes behind, so it will be about an hour before we can test those | 17:47 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: you can count on me ;) | 17:47 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: use this time wisely. Get yourself a clean precise VM setup (to the cloud!) and then be ready to add the PPA and test. | 17:48 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: what | 17:50 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: to the cloud? | 17:50 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: just suggesting that the cloud would be useful here. :) | 17:50 |
| gotwig_ | I am a total noob | 17:50 |
| gotwig_ | I have to drink my big boy milk first :O | 17:51 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: or with chroot | 17:51 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: yeah that should work fine too | 17:51 |
| tumbleweed | jtaylor: http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/ubuntu-seeded-packages/seeded.json.gz | 17:52 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: are there ubuntu cloud * images out there? | 17:54 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: got a link for me ? | 17:54 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/ | 17:54 |
| gotwig_ | oh that was easy thanks | 17:54 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: server? | 17:55 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: or precise/ ? | 17:55 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: you'll want precise I think | 17:56 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: but that are no isos | 17:57 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: images != isos | 17:57 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: I know | 17:58 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: those are installed images. You can boot them up as a VM. | 17:58 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: but now I download a tar gz | 17:58 |
| gotwig_ | I just pressed 64 bit | 17:58 |
| gotwig_ | is that wrong :/ ? | 17:58 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: btw can I use that with virtualbox, too ? | 17:59 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: in theory yes | 17:59 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: though I don't know how to make that work | 18:00 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: I am going to take a look for that.. | 18:00 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: why cant I choose my normal notebook for the tests? | 18:06 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: you can, but its more meaningful if you test without any extra packages installed. | 18:08 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: test with both! | 18:08 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: of course, Sir | 18:08 |
| tumbleweed | most of use use minimal schroots for testing things | 18:08 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: Do you have no test environmen ? Germany has slow Internet. | 18:08 |
| SpamapS | yeah chroot should be fine for this case | 18:09 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: I am downloading ubuntu core right now, too | 18:14 |
| EvilResistance | are Universe repositories still being updated for precise? | 18:14 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: do you think that works? | 18:14 |
| EvilResistance | i.e. not completely frozen | 18:14 |
| SpamapS | EvilResistance: yeah, they need release team ACK, but can be uploaded to right up to release day. | 18:14 |
| Laney | erm | 18:14 |
| Laney | you shouldn't rely on being able to upload your crack | 18:14 |
| SpamapS | EvilResistance: should only be bug fixes at this point. | 18:14 |
| Laney | but bug fixes are welcome | 18:15 |
| SpamapS | Laney: if node.js isn't crack.. I don't know what is. :) | 18:15 |
| Laney | hoho | 18:15 |
| Laney | if it's that fast moving then some kind of SRU thing should be worked out | 18:15 |
| EvilResistance | i think i know of a few bugs in ZNC that were released with the recent 0.206-1 in Debian, i'm digging up the changelogs now (which are semi vague), and am checking against the devs | 18:15 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: I love node.js... So you should ) | 18:15 |
| gotwig_ | *should you - hard english | 18:16 |
| EvilResistance | SpamapS: what do i need to submit to get a sync from sid to precise for a specific package? | 18:18 |
| EvilResistance | (its got a few bugfixes) | 18:18 |
| SpamapS | EvilResistance: file a bug. You can even use the 'requestsync' tool to do it from the CLI | 18:20 |
| SpamapS | EvilResistance: then you probably want to mention it in here so somebody can help get it done foryou. | 18:21 |
| EvilResistance | mmkay, gimme a few minutes, my internet is laggy as [CENSORED] | 18:21 |
| EvilResistance | SpamapS: as the debian changelogs dont outline the changes between 0.204-1 (Precise) and 0.206-1 (Debian Unstable), should i add to the sync request the changelogs from ZNC's main site to detail the specific changes? | 18:26 |
| SpamapS | EvilResistance: if it helps support the case for the sync, yes. | 18:28 |
| SpamapS | EvilResistance: or if it has anything that might be a concern.. so.. actually, no if.. just include it :) | 18:28 |
| EvilResistance | :P | 18:28 |
| Laney | yes, you should definitely include that | 18:30 |
| Laney | as well as evidence you have build, installed, upgraded and tested it | 18:31 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: got my chroot | 18:31 |
| EvilResistance | Laney: getting to that, the download/build is *slow* on this network | 18:33 |
| * EvilResistance blames the massive number of ARP packets floating around on said network | 18:33 | |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: in which package is "add-apt-repository" ? | 18:35 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: so what tests I have to run? I test every package , ok? | 18:36 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: do you know a test command or something like that? | 18:37 |
| EvilResistance | isnt it in some dev tools thing? | 18:37 |
| * EvilResistance forgets the specific package name | 18:37 | |
| tumbleweed | gotwig_: python-software-properties | 18:37 |
| gotwig_ | tumbleweed: yeah, I already knew it thanks | 18:38 |
| gotwig_ | tumbleweed: btw the ubuntu core image is a very good thing | 18:38 |
| tumbleweed | gotwig_: for chroots, I use mk-sbuild (in ubuntu-dev-tools) | 18:38 |
| gotwig_ | I use chroots directly | 18:39 |
| tumbleweed | if you're doing a lot of this, you'll find some automation handy :) | 18:39 |
| gotwig_ | tumbleweed: I know what you mean, I did it always on my own | 18:39 |
| gotwig_ | becouse of virtual filesystems and such stuff | 18:39 |
| gotwig_ | in this case not important, I think... | 18:39 |
| tumbleweed | indeed | 18:40 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: for npm, you should install some of the libraries | 18:41 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: eh yeah | 18:42 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: I have a problem somehow | 18:42 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: PM would be better, kay? | 18:42 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: ^ | 18:57 |
| tumbleweed | onli: sorry, forgot to reply | 19:12 |
| tumbleweed | so, simbock has never been in Debian, only Ubuntu | 19:13 |
| tumbleweed | *simdock | 19:13 |
| tumbleweed | and it hasn't been touched since the initial upload to hardy :/ | 19:13 |
| tumbleweed | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/simdock/1.2-0ubuntu1 | 19:13 |
| tumbleweed | onli: so, there's still time to update it before precise releases, but you need to go through the feature freeze exception process | 19:15 |
| tumbleweed | !ffe | 19:16 |
| ubottu | Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. | 19:16 |
| tumbleweed | alternatively, if it's totally broken, we should remove it | 19:16 |
| onli | tumbleweed: i dont know if it's broken, its just really old | 20:07 |
| tumbleweed | if there are good upsides to updating it, and not too much risk, we can do it | 20:08 |
| onli | ok. think their should be (and the risks are low, it's a not much known desktop-app, nothing depends on it) | 20:09 |
| onli | "Please note that we expect requesters to have an updated package already prepared and tested!" | 20:10 |
| onli | think that will be the issue. i dont have that - that was kind of the reason why i reached out to the original maintainer | 20:10 |
| tumbleweed | onli: yes, it does need someone to do the work | 20:11 |
| tumbleweed | but that could be you | 20:11 |
| onli | ok. i never done that cleanly, only with debinstall or plainly with dpkg -b, without the schroot-environment for dependency-checking | 20:11 |
| tumbleweed | mk-sbuild can get you going pretty quickly | 20:12 |
| onli | ok | 20:12 |
| tumbleweed | or you could use pbuilder / pbuilder-dist | 20:12 |
| onli | pbuilder sounded great | 20:12 |
| tumbleweed | or test-build in a PPA, but the turnaround there is slower | 20:12 |
| onli | that was my original plan, especially if universe wouldn't work ;) | 20:13 |
| onli | ok, now i know the general proceedings | 20:13 |
| onli | thank you | 20:13 |
| tumbleweed | np | 20:13 |
| onli | (if you have an motu-apprentice on hand who wants to learn how to package, i would have a testproject for him now^^) | 20:14 |
| gotwig_ | why is packaging so hard :O ? | 20:24 |
| tumbleweed | there's a lot to learn, but it's not that hard | 20:26 |
| fo0bar_ | time permitting, could I get a review on #946067 please? it affects cricket and mrtg, throwing warnings during cron runs. thanks. | 20:45 |
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| gotwig_ | hm | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | Ok, testing is successful for a sync of npm+deps from Debian | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | I marked bug 863094 as a FFE and subscribed ubuntu-release | 20:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 863094 in npm (Ubuntu Precise) "[FFE] npm versions less than 1.1 will not work with registry.npmjs.org" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863094 | 20:49 |
| gotwig_ | what version should we pick ? debian http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/npm.html OR newer PPA ppa:chris-lea/node.js | 20:56 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: *debian* | 20:58 |
| SpamapS | new is great, but I'm not really going to put in the time to resolve the diff | 20:58 |
| SpamapS | FACEFOX: can you perhaps fix your IRC client? | 21:12 |
| SpamapS | FACEFOX: btw, howdy from a neighbor also in Los Angeles ;) | 21:12 |
| EvilResistance | he's doing this across the network i think | 21:12 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: Approved npm | 21:14 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: thanks! | 21:14 |
| gotwig_ | ScottK: huh= | 21:21 |
| gotwig_ | so what's now about npm? | 21:22 |
| gotwig_ | I sent the maintainer of the PPA a mail | 21:22 |
| gotwig_ | maybe he helps... | 21:22 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: Accepted. | 21:24 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: the PPA is something to look at next cycle. Its over. Syncing > trying to figure out if that PPA is worth using | 21:25 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: I hope I didn't misunderstand, I submitted syncs for all the deps too | 21:25 |
| SpamapS | which was rather tedious because syncpackage has no -y | 21:25 |
| gotwig_ | ehhh | 21:25 |
| gotwig_ | ok | 21:25 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: That's the only one I saw in the queue. | 21:25 |
| gotwig_ | just becouse the different packages | 21:26 |
| ScottK | It's also the only one I saw in the FFe. | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: ahh, the FFE asked for all the deps | 21:26 |
| SpamapS | but maybe only in the comments, and not clearly enough | 21:26 |
| gotwig_ | but how do we later remove all these packages, if there is no need for them? | 21:26 |
| * ScottK looks again | 21:26 | |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: there *is* need for them | 21:26 |
| gotwig_ | why does the PPA not have all these packages | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: people will want to use those libraries without npm.. hence them being split out. | 21:27 |
| gotwig_ | incomplete? | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: thats exactly the kind of question I don't have time to answer ;) | 21:27 |
| gotwig_ | oh I understand | 21:27 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: Are they all unseeded/universe? | 21:27 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: they're all NEW | 21:27 |
| gotwig_ | that is better than I tought... | 21:27 |
| ScottK | Ah. Different screen. | 21:28 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: thank you for syncing | 21:28 |
| ScottK | Got it. | 21:28 |
| * ScottK will take care of. | 21:28 | |
| SpamapS | ScottK: you're my hero. | 21:28 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: and you are my one ^^ | 21:29 |
| gotwig_ | I am happy that you react so fast | 21:30 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: you happened to catch me at a unique moment of clarity + interest :) | 21:30 |
| gotwig_ | I have to go to sleep... too late for a 17 years old boy ^^ | 21:30 |
| gotwig_ | thank you all. So that is going to come into the release, right? | 21:31 |
| gotwig_ | got any link :X ? | 21:31 |
| SpamapS | yes | 21:31 |
| gotwig_ | no link, good night :( | 21:34 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: I think that's the lot of them. | 21:43 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: indeed I counted 14+npm | 21:44 |
| EvilResistance | thanks SpamapS for helping me get the sync request created quickly with requestsync. | 21:46 |
| EvilResistance | for MOTUs: LP Bug #981044 | 21:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 981044 in znc (Ubuntu) "Sync znc 0.206-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/981044 | 21:46 |
| EvilResistance | or anyone who can process that sync request | 21:47 |
| jtaylor | EvilResistance: does it have a granted FFe? | 21:49 |
| EvilResistance | jtaylor: FFe = ? | 21:49 |
| EvilResistance | i only just filed the sync request, who else do i need to poke | 21:49 |
| jtaylor | or does itneed one | 21:49 |
| * EvilResistance points out ZNC is already in Precise, this is just an update from Debian sid to that version in precise | 21:49 | |
| EvilResistance | that'd be a question for you guys, as ZNC is already in, 0.206-1 from Debian fixes several bugs, as to whether it needs a FFe, i'd have to look into it | 21:51 |
| jtaylor | it does have a couple of changes | 21:51 |
| EvilResistance | who do i need to poke then regarding whether it needs an FFe or not? | 21:52 |
| EvilResistance | because one of the bugs addressed is a crash bug when ZNC is told to shutdown or restart | 21:52 |
| tumbleweed | EvilResistance: you make that decision yourself | 21:52 |
| EvilResistance | ah, see i forgot about feature freeze >.> | 21:53 |
| EvilResistance | shows you what happens when someone gets too busy to monitor release schedules >.> | 21:54 |
| tumbleweed | EvilResistance: that's why you subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce | 21:54 |
| Laney | it's basically the same every cycle ... | 21:55 |
| EvilResistance | i'm already subscribed to enough mailing lists, any more and my emails will be flooded :/ | 21:55 |
| tumbleweed | announce lists are low traffic | 21:55 |
| EvilResistance | true, but i'm on multiple non-announce lists, so they can be pretty high-traffic | 21:55 |
| EvilResistance | it might just be prudent to wait until precise is released as stable, then SRU it *shrugs* | 21:56 |
| EvilResistance | s/to/for me to wait/ | 21:57 |
| jtaylor | the changes look quite small | 21:57 |
| tumbleweed | if it's SRU worthy, do it now | 21:57 |
| jtaylor | if it fixes a bug it should be synced now | 21:57 |
| EvilResistance | it fixes a couple of bugs including RFC compliance bugs, but they werent filed on LP | 21:58 |
| EvilResistance | as for whether it needs an FFe, i'm unsure, so... | 21:58 |
| gotwig_ | hey | 21:58 |
| EvilResistance | because it not only is a newer upstream release, but also contains bugfixes | 21:58 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: I want to report an dependency | 21:59 |
| Laney | yes, it does | 21:59 |
| gotwig_ | for npm | 21:59 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: that is not included in the debian package | 21:59 |
| Laney | ideally you would test an upgrade from oneiric and lucid | 21:59 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: buildutils becouse of make | 21:59 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: very often people complain about the error that make is not found; so there have to be the dependency for make; for npm install | 21:59 |
| EvilResistance | Laney: which is why i might have to wait until after release, this system here is extremely close to death (hard drive death), so i dont have the luxury of test-upgrading | 22:00 |
| Laney | do you have chroots? | 22:00 |
| gotwig_ | like just now in my case when I did npm install express ; than entered that directory and than ran npm install; I got error becouse make isnt installed | 22:00 |
| EvilResistance | Laney: crupted by bad sectors | 22:00 |
| EvilResistance | as i said this system is *VERY* close to death, almost half the drive is riddled with bad sectors | 22:00 |
| EvilResistance | (unfortunately its the only system i have at the moment) | 22:01 |
| * EvilResistance likely won't get a replacement drive until after release occurs, hence why this sync request may become an SRU | 22:03 | |
| EvilResistance | so unless you're volunteering to test, Laney, this'll remain pretty much stagnant | 22:03 |
| jtaylor | an sru is a lot more work | 22:03 |
| jtaylor | you need to extract the bugfixes from the changes | 22:04 |
| EvilResistance | tell that to the Debian packager for ZNC, they refuse to use patches | 22:04 |
| * EvilResistance has said this to them time and time again | 22:04 | |
| EvilResistance | oh, and what's more, their trunk on github doesnt have logs for when a stable release occurs, making finding bugfixes exceptionally harder | 22:05 |
| jtaylor | why should they use patches? | 22:05 |
| kklimonda | EvilResistance: the diff for znc 0.206-1 looks simple enough, and I don't see us maintaining znc ourselves anyway so I'd be for syncing it now | 22:05 |
| kklimonda | the actual code diff is small: "10 files changed, 55 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)" | 22:06 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: sorry, just the packages 'make' and 'g++' are missing . | 22:06 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: make sure you add them both to dependency list. Seems that these packages also are missing in the dependency list of the version of that PPA packager. | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: Thats certainly a bug, but its not critical. Should probably be in the Recommends, since many of the npm packages will work w/o make. | 22:07 |
| EvilResistance | ugh, system finally froze up and died, now i'm IRC-ing via my ZNC with my phone (EVIL way of IRCing... >.>) | 22:07 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: ok.. I find it critical :X I mean very many noobs wrote about that (on mac) in forums | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | things that affect noobs are important, but they're not critical. | 22:07 |
| EvilResistance | kklimonda: this'd need an FFe according to Laney, and since my system is dead, i cant file an FFe (given that my phone is limited in capabilities) | 22:08 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: so are you adding the both somehow? | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: when make is not installed, you can work around it, by.. installing make :) | 22:08 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: :O you're so smart ^^ | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: no, but it should be opened as a bug against the Debian package. | 22:08 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: hm, so why not | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: its a legitimate issue. Please file a bug. | 22:09 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: yes... I have to look... | 22:10 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: does Ubuntu sync Debian packages one to one? | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: yes | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: for the first half of the release cycle, they're automatically synced | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: unless the Ubuntu package has changed | 22:14 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: ok, I am unfamiliar with reporting debian bugs :( | 22:14 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: report it in Ubuntu then, and it will get forwarded | 22:14 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: for that package? but its not included in ubuntu yet | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: npm or something else? | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/npm | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | very much included in Ubuntu :) | 22:15 |
| gotwig_ | that was * fast | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: well it was included long before we started | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | just at an older version | 22:16 |
| gotwig_ | yes | 22:16 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: and does oneiric get an update, too? | 22:17 |
| kklimonda | EvilResistance: I can test upgrade from znc lucid version to precise, if someone else can test upgrade from oneiric I don't see why would that even need a FFe - there aren't really any new "features" and FinalFreeze doesn't affect unseeded packages afair (although this one could be better documented). | 22:18 |
| kklimonda | (in other news, sbuild is a terrible tool for building packages - any idea if pbuilder supports lvm snapshots? ;)) | 22:18 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/iranpm/+bug/981213 , correct? | 22:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 981213 in npm (Ubuntu) "Add g++ and make to Dependency/Recommend list" [Undecided,New] | 22:22 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: could you please change the "affects debian" or something like that, part? | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: it will get picked up during normal triage | 22:27 |
| EvilResistance | kklimonda: if you upgrade in that fashion, you may need to change the debian requirements, remove 'swig' as a build-dep, not sure about Lucid's ability to upgrade easily (given that there've been significant changes since lucid's version) | 22:28 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: do you have found any other bugs? | 22:28 |
| SpamapS | gotwig_: no | 22:28 |
| gotwig_ | SpamapS: so does it work for you :) ? | 22:28 |
| kklimonda | EvilResistance: that will affect upgrades to 0.204-1 anyway, right? | 22:28 |
| EvilResistance | kklimonda: there'll also be build dep errors on lucid, because swig2.0 isnt available in lucid (last i checked) and won't backport | 22:29 |
| kklimonda | EvilResistance: I don't have to build it on lucid though | 22:29 |
| EvilResistance | (same applies to maverick, and natty), but when upgrading from lucid to precise, it should work (as swig2.0 exists on precise) | 22:29 |
| EvilResistance | ah, right, upgrading direct from lucid -> precise, that'd fix the builddeps issues | 22:30 |
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