[01:39] <iheartubuntu> greetings from the pasadena ubuntu hour! checking in with 7 people here tonite!
[01:43] <pleia2> :D
[03:36] <pleia2> thunderstorm :D
[03:37] <pleia2> I think this is the first time I've seen one here
[03:38] <philipballew_> yeah, I am getting tweets all over the place pleia2 saying thunder
[03:38] <pleia2> it's awesome!
[03:39] <philipballew_> this stupid 75 everyday weather is really annoying. I need to visit the north soon
[03:39] <pleia2> it's been rainy this year
[03:40] <philipballew_> thats what I hear. Rain is fun
[03:40] <philipballew_> snow is better though
[03:40] <philipballew_> untill it freezes
[03:40] <akk> It's been totally dry here this year, until this month.
[03:45]  * DonkeyHotei is in SF now and considers this the loudest storm in a long time
[03:45] <akk> The thunder hasn't made it down here yet ... I hope it does.
[03:46] <pleia2> it's not the building-shaking, tree destroying storms we had in philly springs, but it is pretty loud :)
[03:46] <pleia2> surprisingly not all that windy
[05:23] <Swagbodian> i am back filip
[05:23] <Swagbodian> !
[05:23] <Swagbodian> HOLAsz
[05:24] <philipballew_> Swagbodian, are you refering to me?
[05:24] <gua> yes, filip , clearly
[05:25] <gua> !
[05:25] <Swagbodian> haha
[05:25] <Swagbodian> hey gua
[05:25] <Swagbodian> howd ur day go
[05:25] <philipballew_> I assume. Please do not do that. Its spelled Philip, but if you need my attention you should use philipballew
[05:25] <gua> pretty good. actually made some progress
[05:25] <Swagbodian> i was reading what u sent to me last night
[05:25] <Swagbodian> progress in what?
[05:25] <Swagbodian> sorry philip
[05:26] <Swagbodian> didnt mean to make u mad
[05:26] <gua> going through browser tabs from a research session on nilfs2, dmcrypt and ssd optimization
[05:26] <gua> still have a big amount but the pile is a bit smaller
[05:26] <Swagbodian> do you have noobie terms >.<?
[05:28] <gua> nilfs2 is a very neat filesystem, dmcrypt is how volume encryption is usually done on linux, ssds are solid state disks, like using a big usb thumbdrive as a hard disk
[05:29] <Swagbodian> man i learn so much from you gua
[05:29] <gua> here's something
[05:29] <Swagbodian> i was thinkin i should get started on python
[05:30] <gua> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[05:30] <gua> that's an idea
[05:30] <gua> that guide, and reading the manpage for bash are good things
[05:30] <gua> for python do http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
[05:30] <gua> you also have to learn emacs and vim
[05:31] <Swagbodian> emacs vim?
[05:31] <philipballew_> !vim
[05:31] <Eureka> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) - Terminal-based: nano, vi/vim, emacs - For HTML/CSS editors, see !html - For programming editors and IDE, see !code
[05:31] <philipballew_> !emacs
[05:32] <gua> they are Text Editors. swords to fight the dragons of code.
[05:32] <Swagbodian> oh i see
[05:32] <Swagbodian> man i think tonight i cant absorb as much information as last night gua and philip
[05:32] <Swagbodian> got to write this paper >_>
[05:32] <Swagbodian> i really hate english class
[05:33] <Swagbodian> is it beneficial to programming?
[05:33] <gua> Swagbodian: just keep track of links and google terms later when you have time
[05:33] <gua> good communication is very important. all important programming is a big group effort.
[05:34] <Swagbodian> okay everyday i will save our conversations so i can refer back to em
[05:34] <gua> well just notes are better. important terms. not everything is all that profound :P
[05:35] <Swagbodian> where do u work at gua?
[05:37] <gua> i freelance atm, been meaning to go back to school
[15:16] <bkerensa> ok
[15:16] <bkerensa> I have to ask
[15:16] <bkerensa> pleia2: was that really everclear you all drank?
[15:22] <DonkeyHotei> kegger?
[15:53] <pleia2> bkerensa: yes, akgraner brought it
[15:53] <bkerensa> akgraner: that stuff is wicked
[15:53] <DonkeyHotei> where was this?
[15:53] <bkerensa> they sell it here in Oregon but you have to request it and they get it from a backroom
[15:54] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: at one of the UDS events
[15:54] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: One shot of that stuff will put me down :( its like gasoline
[15:54] <DonkeyHotei> i thought UDS wasn't until next month
[15:54] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: A previous one
[15:55] <DonkeyHotei> oh
[16:07] <akgraner> I contribute where and when I can ;-)
[16:33] <kdub> dear pulseaudio, stop crashing :)
[16:46] <philipballew_> pulseaudio is a interesting beast.
[16:47] <kdub> more like a crashing beast :P
[16:48] <philipballew_> Its impossible to get work done on a computer without music in most circumstances.
[16:49] <philipballew_> and you usually need pulse for that...
[17:24] <akk> Whoa -- lightning from that storm last night striking the Golden Gate bridge: http://kqedscience.tumblr.com/post/21030784796/san-franfrazzled-once-in-a-lifetime-picture-of
[17:26] <pleia2> cool :)
[17:27] <DonkeyHotei> akk: uhhh, that's the bay bridge, not the GG
[17:28] <akk> Oh, oops. It actually isn't a great pic of the bridge, so I was having a hard time telling
[17:28] <akk> and the page didn't have any info.
[17:29] <akk> I assumed from "iconic" that it was supposed to be the GG -- since when is the bay bridge iconic? :)
[17:29] <DonkeyHotei> it says "BAY BRIDGE" atop the pic, and it's too long to be the GG, and you can see the cross-hatch pattern in the towers that the GG lacks
[17:35] <DonkeyHotei> btw, until very recently, the bay bridge was THE longest bridge in the world
[17:45] <akk> Agreed, it's historic, it's a fine bridge, but I still wouldn't call it iconic.
[17:45] <akk> Not a lot of tourists get excited about seeing the bay bridge.
[17:47] <DonkeyHotei> a LOT of people died building it. in contrast, the GG construction set records for safety
[18:05] <seidos> \o the bay bridge would probably be more iconic if Oakland was considered more interesting to visit
[18:05] <akk> True. Poor Oakland.
[18:06] <akk> Neither Oakland nor San Jose get any respect.
[18:06] <greg-g> awww, sad
[18:07] <seidos> i'm sure Oakland is great, it's hard to compete with SF culture
[18:07] <seidos> and all that greenery north of it
[18:08] <akk> Also west and south
[18:08] <bkerensa> I got offered a fantastic Open Source job today by the CEO of a tech company :D
[18:08] <bkerensa> and invited to lunch :D
[18:08] <akk> woo!
[18:22] <DonkeyHotei> meh, marin is even less interesting to visit
[18:23] <DonkeyHotei> the only thing good about it is the outdoors
[18:34] <seidos> lol that's funny, i think my favorite part of SF was GG park
[18:37] <seidos> well, and the people, but with the right people anywhere is good times
[18:38] <DonkeyHotei> GG park isn't exactly "the outdoors"
[18:38] <DonkeyHotei> it's all man-made
[18:39] <seidos> is that why i didn't see Pocahontas while i was there?
[18:39] <seidos> lol
[18:40] <DonkeyHotei> wrong coast
[18:41] <seidos> i saw Pocahontas on the west coast
[18:41] <seidos> she is everywhere \o/
[18:41] <seidos> lol
[19:31] <bkerensa> pleia2: Pretty cool blog post... My fiancée's CEO is jewish and orthodox at that so the relationship he has with female employees is very interesting to observe
[19:32] <pleia2> bkerensa: fortunately my fiance is reform :)
[19:32] <pleia2> we avoid pork, but in general don't keep kosher
[19:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah :) I thought it was interesting my fiancée brought her CEO a holiday card and he wouldnt even take it from her he just kind of looked at it.... He doesnt touch or shake hands with women who are not his family :P
[19:33] <bkerensa> There is some good Kosher foods :) I like Kosher dogs better then the non-kosher alternative and latkes are pretty tasty
[19:34] <bkerensa> and I love me some Hummus
[19:34] <pleia2> I live in Philly for a while so I know all about kosher foods, there are indeed some great ones :)
[19:35] <pleia2> s/live/lived
[19:35] <bkerensa> I think the only thing I have disliked is Matzah
[19:35] <bkerensa> :P
[19:35] <pleia2> gefilte fish is horrible
[19:35] <bkerensa> heh
[19:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: Does Ubuntu CA have anything special planned for UDS other then the walkabouts?
[19:37] <bkerensa> I'm not exactly sure how proposing outside events goes.... Because I could likely summon funds and take a good handful of people for a MozCoffee
[19:37] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q has our event ideas
[19:37] <pleia2> the only one that is confirmed is SF tourism, but that's the same night as czajkowski's photo event that you're attending
[19:38] <bkerensa> Yeah :D I wanna go take photos... I have been to all the places on the tourism walk
[19:39] <bkerensa> although I might make way to the cable car turnaround for a slice of blondies pizza if it still exists
[19:39] <pleia2> oh Debian dinner in Oakland is that night too, but waiting on them to announce it
[19:39] <bkerensa> OH
[19:39] <bkerensa> :s
[19:39] <bkerensa> If the Portland Debian folks go for the Debian dinner I might have to tag along
[19:40] <pleia2> anyway, that's on the page I linked too :)
[19:40]  * pleia2 back2work
[19:40] <bkerensa> cool stuffs
[21:31] <seidos> The new cover of Time is auspicious..."The World's Most Exclusive Club: The secret society of Presidents"
[21:38] <greg-g> oh Time :/
[23:14] <akk> jtatum: Around? I'm researching mifi. (Or anyone else who's used mifi units, of course.)
[23:16] <jtatum> hi akk :) it's been a while since i've tried a vzw mobile hotspot. my current is from clear.
[23:17] <jtatum> also have at&t lte on my tablet
[23:17] <jtatum> way too much mobile internet at the moment
[23:18] <akk> ah, okay. We're evaluating the t-mobile deals (and a few others).
[23:19] <akk> (would prefer verizon but can't justify paying that much more)
[23:20] <akk> Wondering if the difference between various 4g standards and frequency bands should be a factor in choice of unit.
[23:21] <jtatum> ahh.. probably? usually whatever the carrier has is the right part I guess. lte and wimax are both really slick. lte maybe has an edge because it's got better range.
[23:21] <jtatum> very low latencies and fast
[23:22] <akk> T-mobile has two units, an older, lighter, better range, cheaper one and a newer, faster, less range, heavier one.
[23:22] <pleia2> not only does lte have better coverage, they're expanding their coverage faster than wimax
[23:22] <akk> More freq bands on the newer one, apparently, and the salesman handwaved about it being a different 4g standard but couldn't go into detail.
[23:23] <akk> I suspect it's not as radical a change as wimax vs. lte, but I'm not sure.
[23:23]  * akk is pretty confused about 4g in general
[23:23] <pleia2> it is confusing
[23:24]  * pleia2 still just has 3g :)
[23:24] <jtatum> yeah there's a million different lte bands
[23:24] <philipballew_> its weird as g doesn't even imply speed
[23:24] <philipballew_> neither does 4
[23:24] <jtatum> seriously something like 45 different bands
[23:24] <philipballew_> yet they market is as such
[23:24] <pleia2> I have a usb dongle from Sprint that does 4G, on Mac and Windows :( only does 3G in Ubuntu
[23:24] <akk> pleia2: For phones, all my googling says 3g is actually better because 4g sucks so much battery.
[23:24] <akk> (unless you really do mega downloads, I guess)
[23:24] <pleia2> oh yeah, 4G eats battery like crazy
[23:25] <akk> Wow, the usb dongle works in Linux? I'd heard most of them didn't, so I wasn't even considering that option.
[23:25] <jtatum> i love low latency. don't really care about the speed boost. it's nice for web and ssh
[23:26] <akk> Latency is important. But that's not something reviews or sales pages ever mention.
[23:26] <pleia2> akk: the only ones I know work are a couple models from Sprint, and you need to use kppp to get online with them (it's all rather goofy)
[23:26] <akk> We'll probably stick with mifi, because they'll work with multiple devices, and tablets that don't have usb.
[23:27] <akk> (and no ppp hassles)
[23:27] <pleia2> the problem with watching Star Wars these days is that I set my phone to make R2D2 noises for txt messages
[23:27] <pleia2> now I'm all "wait, phone or tv"
[23:28] <pleia2> (I didn't used to have a fancy phone I could set custom sounds on ;))
[23:28] <akk> Apparently the 4g difference is that the new unit is "HSPA+", whatever that means.
[23:28] <akk> pleia2: haha