[06:08] <knome> pleia2, now that you are there though...
[06:09] <knome> pleia2, log in and see this: http://xubuntu.org/irc
[06:10] <knome> pleia2, ochosi: do you think the resizing-article is ready, btw ?
[06:13] <pleia2-web> pretty :)
[06:14] <knome> good, so do you think it's ready to publish?
[06:14] <pleia2> yep
[06:14] <knome> ok, i'll do that
[06:15] <knome> we might want to add a short paragraph about the channel though...
[06:15] <pleia2> ah, yeah, about it's help and on-topic nature
[06:18] <pleia2> and something about how people should just ask their question, be patient about a response
[06:20] <knome> refresh the page
[06:21] <knome> should i bold some stuff?
[06:21] <Unit193> Bold all the thingss!!!
[06:21] <pleia2> s/you do not need to ask to ask your question/please feel free to go ahead and ask your question
[06:22] <knome> changed, and bolded a few things
[06:22] <knome> better
[06:22] <knome> ?
[06:22] <pleia2> good :)
[06:22]  * knome is wondering if we should change the nick
[06:23] <knome> to know which guys come from livecd (xubuntu...) and which from the website
[06:23] <knome> xubuntuw... ?
[06:23] <knome> i mean, people can just change their nick anyway :)
[06:24] <pleia2> we can leave it
[06:24] <knome> k
[06:24] <knome> i was thinking if this brings a lot of trolls or sth
[06:24] <knome> we can pinpoint it
[06:24] <knome> if it's the live cd or the website
[06:25] <knome> but maybe i'm thinking about it too much ;)
[06:25] <knome> it's published now
[06:25] <knome> Unit193, ^ 
[06:25] <pleia2> yay :)
[06:26] <knome> now to link that from the help-page
[06:26] <Unit193> please wait for a respond patiently    response.
[06:26] <Unit193> That is to say, s/respond/response/
[06:26] <knome> ;)
[06:27] <knome> that's right, fixed
[09:13] <knome> astraljava, ?
[09:14]  * astraljava emerges as a mist through loose corners of the channel, and addresses the entity that summoned him
[09:14] <astraljava> Yyyeesss, maaster?
[09:15] <knome> :F
[09:15] <knome> anything planned for 21st?
[09:15] <knome> it's saturday in a week
[09:17] <astraljava> Yeah, we're off to this friend couple's place, the guy has the same birthday than me (22nd), and the girl had it less than a month ago, so it's a triple celebration. :)
[09:17] <astraljava> Why?
[09:18] <knome> awwwh, congrats
[09:18] <knome> it's the record store day
[09:18] <knome> and i'm so going.
[09:20] <astraljava> What's that again?
[09:21] <knome> exclusive albums/singles released and sold only on the brick-and-mortar stores
[09:21] <knome> well, later elsewhere too but...
[09:21] <knome> maybe not for a cheap price :)=
[09:27] <astraljava> Well I doubt I have any money for shopping, but I'll gladly tag along.
[09:28] <knome> mmh. :)
[09:30] <knome> levykauppa x opens at 11.
[09:58] <knome> bbl.
[10:03] <astraljava> knome: Nooo!
[10:03] <astraljava> You be back here, now.
[10:03]  * astraljava works his magic
[10:07] <astraljava> Well, if others could chime in. I see very few changes done during this last week, only one upload by Lionel. It's a good sign, of course, at this stage of the cycle. However, if you know of anything important that hasn't been discussed here on this channel, and hasn't landed by means of an upload, please speak up so it gets notified for the release team. Otherwise I'll send a very toned-down mail for
[10:07] <astraljava> the meeting. :)
[10:25] <ochosi> knome: have you published the article already?
[10:25] <ochosi> knome: if no, that's good, because it's not ready yet. unless you have added screenshots and a section for resizing via window-menu
[10:26] <ochosi> carnau: pong
[10:29] <carnau> ochosi, http://i40.tinypic.com/2d6s4yo.png
[10:30] <carnau> is it your theme?
[10:33] <carnau> *is this
[10:33] <ochosi> yup, that looks like it :)
[10:33] <ochosi> thanks carnau 
[10:33] <ochosi> so, what went wrong?
[10:34] <ochosi> (it doesn't look too bad, i think i have to tune down the top panel though, it's supposed to be far darker)
[10:34] <carnau> I've not used the default menu, you can see that the theme combobox it's empty
[10:34] <ochosi> mhm, strange though that the theme doesn't show up
[10:34] <carnau> I've used an app called MyUnity, to select it
[10:35] <ochosi> ah ok
[10:35] <carnau> it's like gnome-tweak-tool
[10:35] <ochosi> well i'll have to investigate that a bit more then i guess
[10:35] <ochosi> could you try one more thing for me?
[10:35] <carnau> sure
[10:35] <ochosi> please maximize one window, then the window-buttons should move to the top bar
[10:35] <ochosi> and take a screener
[10:35] <ochosi> (i think it'll look bad, but i wanna know for sure ;) )
[10:35] <carnau> wait
[10:36] <ochosi> sure, i'll be back in 10min
[10:41] <carnau> ochosi, http://i40.tinypic.com/15vxow.png
[11:01] <ochosi> carnau: oh right, that's not too bad
[11:02] <ochosi> carnau: i'll try to fine-tune the background of the panel a bit more and if you could in a bit git pull again?
[11:04] <carnau> ochosi,  i'll be back at 14:00pm, have a work meeting.
[11:04] <ochosi> sure, thanks for now!
[11:04] <carnau> maybe 14:30, not sure. I'll do it later if u want :)
[11:04] <carnau> my pleasure
[11:05] <ochosi> sure, just ping me when you're back
[11:05] <carnau> ok
[11:36] <ochosi> bazhang: ping
[13:01] <carnau> ochosi, ping
[13:02] <ochosi> carnau: pong
[13:02] <ochosi> i pushed a few changes to the repo
[13:03] <ochosi> if you could please update your install
[13:03] <ochosi> either via git or just by using the same download-link i posted before
[13:03] <carnau> remember me the link
[13:03] <ochosi> it should always give you the most recent version
[13:04] <ochosi> i tuned the panel-color and please test an indicator, whether they look the same as normal menus
[13:04] <carnau> got it
[13:05] <ochosi> ty
[13:06] <ochosi> sry, i have a short meeting
[13:06] <ochosi> i'll be back in ~30min
[13:07] <carnau> np
[13:08] <carnau> maximized buttons are the same, anyway
[13:08] <carnau> those are showed in the unity top panel
[13:08] <ochosi> yes, i didn't work on those yet
[13:09] <ochosi> they kinda look ok to me, i'm not sure i'll change them
[13:10] <ochosi> how's the panel?
[13:10] <ochosi> it should be darker now
[13:11] <carnau> a little bit, i think
[13:11] <carnau> can't make a screen when the rhythmbox indicator appears
[13:12] <ochosi> unless you have a timer :)
[13:12] <ochosi> ok, post the link whenever, i'll be right back
[13:12] <carnau> ok, it's not in the same color!
[13:12] <carnau> grrrr, i hate my bad english :p
[13:13] <carnau> I'll make it
[13:13] <ochosi> hihi, thanks
[13:15] <carnau> ochosi,  http://i40.tinypic.com/znmufo.png
[13:16] <carnau> lunch time!
[13:47] <ochosi> carnau: are you sure you updated the theme? it looks like the panel colour didn't change at all...
[13:51] <ochosi> carnau: and bon appétit
[14:04] <carnau> ochosi, This is shimmerproject-Greybird-v0.7.1-3-g41d88d0 http://i41.tinypic.com/zlq2o8.png
[14:05] <carnau> I think tinypic adds some bright to the images, in my monitor the panel looks darker.
[14:06] <ochosi> weird
[14:06] <ochosi> it seems like you have the correct version (the commit-number matches)
[14:07] <ochosi> but i still changes quite a bit of the colors in the unity.css file
[14:07] <ochosi> changed
[14:07] <ochosi> would you mind restarting your session?
[14:07] <ochosi> (maybe the changes don't get applied otherwise)
[14:09] <ochosi> knome: ok, i updated the post and added another method. will take some screenshots now and then i'll submit it for review
[14:09] <carnau> this is my unity.css http://pastebin.com/NMrXPgBD
[14:09] <ochosi> yeah, that's the correct one
[14:10] <carnau> restarting...
[14:13] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: i can't seem to upload images to wordpress, that sucks a bit :(
[14:18] <carnau> ochosi, http://i.imgur.com/sr6yS.png
[14:18] <carnau> after restart
[14:18] <ochosi> that's more like it
[14:18] <ochosi> and the indicators look like menus?
[14:19] <carnau> what indicators?
[14:19] <ochosi> e.g. clicking the envelope (aka messaging-menu indicator), does that show a menu that looks like all other menus in applications?
[14:20] <carnau> same colour, yes
[14:20] <ochosi> ok, good
[14:20] <ochosi> then the only thing left are the window-buttons for maximized applications i guess
[14:20] <ochosi> or do they work?
[14:21] <carnau> no, not work. It uses the same as it came with the dash
[14:21] <carnau> *the same buttons that when you click the menu button
[14:22] <ochosi> menu-button == dash button?
[14:22] <carnau> oh, they changed
[14:22] <carnau> yes, dash button
[14:22] <ochosi> ok, i think i need a screenshot to understand... :)
[14:23] <carnau> sure
[14:37] <carnau> ochosi, 1 - Dash button, 2 - Firefox, 3 - Messaging menu http://imgur.com/wSDi9 
[14:40] <ochosi> ok, thanks, that looks pretty ok
[14:40] <ochosi> i couldn't see the window-buttons (close,max,min) in your earlier screenshot of xchat
[14:41] <ochosi> was that a bug or expected?
[14:42] <carnau> expected
[14:43] <carnau> i can see it well
[14:44] <ochosi> oh ok
[14:44] <ochosi> maybe i didn't look close enough
[14:44] <ochosi> so it seems that everything works approximately as expected?
[14:47] <carnau> i think so, at least everything that I tested
[14:48] <ochosi> btw, nr.2 in your last screenshot was taken before the panel-changes, right?
[14:49] <carnau> this is how looks like if I hover the top panel, when the buttons appear, if I not hover it, there aren't buttons.
[14:50] <carnau> top panel = panel-menu
[14:50] <ochosi> ah right
[14:50] <ochosi> no, i meant the background color of the panel
[14:50] <ochosi> in nr.2 the color is a lot brighter again, like before i changed it
[14:51] <ochosi> no.2 looks like this: http://i41.tinypic.com/zlq2o8.png
[14:51] <carnau> ah yes, it was taken of an old screen
[14:51] <ochosi> not like this: http://i.imgur.com/sr6yS.png
[14:51] <ochosi> ok
[14:51] <ochosi> fine, then i think i can merge the branch
[14:51] <ochosi> it'll get backported to precise in -proposed
[14:51] <carnau> colour now it's like 1 or 3
[14:52] <carnau> remember that you can't select it in the menu
[14:52] <ochosi> yes
[14:52] <ochosi> that's the only issue left
[14:52] <ochosi> it doesn't even appear there, right?
[14:52] <carnau> no :_(
[14:52] <ochosi> ok, i think i see why
[14:53] <ochosi> i'll quickly fix this and ping you again once it's pushed
[14:53] <carnau> if i select it in the myunity menu, it shows empty in the default appearance menu
[14:53] <carnau> sure :)
[14:55] <ochosi> carnau: done. please try again :)
[14:56] <carnau> ok
[15:00] <carnau> no, it's not showed
[15:02] <carnau> ochosi, is there any log of this actions?
[15:03] <ochosi> not sure
[15:03] <ochosi> you might have to restart your session again though
[15:04] <carnau> ok
[15:07] <carnau> ochosi, no luck
[15:09] <knome> ochosi, i know (re: upload), just upload to wherever
[15:09] <ochosi> strange
[15:10] <ochosi> carnau: so you have an index.theme file in the Greybird-folder now, right?
[15:10] <ochosi> carnau: hm, ok, maybe the problem is that the icon-theme isn't installed and that the theme is called solely "Greybird" and your folder is maybe called differently
[15:11] <ochosi> knome: still, that's pretty annoying...
[15:11] <ochosi> knome: or was that what we talked about before?
[15:14] <ochosi> carnau: sry, i gotta go now
[15:14] <ochosi> carnau: i'll be back tomorrow
[15:15] <carnau> ochosi, yes i have it. not was in the previous versions.
[15:15] <carnau> ok, i don't know if i will be here.
[15:15] <carnau> monday
[15:15] <knome> ochosi, what?
[15:15] <carnau> ochosi, good weekend :)
[15:15] <knome> ochosi, yeah, it's the problem with xubuntu-team members only being contributors
[15:16] <ochosi> carnau: ok, to you too (monday sounds fine)
[18:02] <knome> maybe we should mention in the release notes that the keyboard shortcuts might be broken for some
[18:06] <astraljava> knome: You could, I was a tad puzzled with them with my upgraded Xubuntu on the laptop, but I returned it so soon after the upgrade that I didn't pay much attention.
[18:07] <knome> yeah
[18:07] <knome> i was puzzled too
[18:07] <knome> too bad the fix is "revert to defaults and add custom shortcuts again" :(
[18:10] <astraljava> knome: They are stored somewhere in a file, right? Maybe a script that seds the change from <Control> to <Primary>?
[18:12] <knome> astraljava, that's the other problem
[18:12] <knome> astraljava, but my shortcuts were borked even if i didn't use <Control>
[18:13] <astraljava> knome: Oh? That I didn't know.
[18:13] <knome> yeah
[18:46] <knome> mr_pouit, micahg: can you confirm if we are still oversized on any image?
[18:51] <knome> do we still have this:  For the desktop images, installing from the CD menu is failing, however, allowing the CD to spin until it stops at “try Xubuntu”, “Install Xubuntu” works  (from alpha 2) ??
[18:51] <knome> or this:  For some live sessions, the network-manager indicator might be hidden. Running nm-connection-editor allows you to access the network management interface.  (from beta 1) ??
[18:55] <astraljava> precise-desktop-i386.iso        13-Apr-2012 10:17  676M
[18:55] <astraljava> precise-desktop-amd64.iso       13-Apr-2012 10:16  691M
[18:55] <astraljava> Way under.
[18:56] <Unit193> Heh, alt seems larger. :P
[18:56] <astraljava> Strangely they are.
[19:20] <knome> larger, but is it oversized? :P
[19:22] <knome> does this look good for the release notes:  http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_notes/1204-window-shortcuts.png  ==
[19:22] <knome> ??
[19:22] <knome> plus, i think i'm going to add the app shortcut keys to the right hand side
[19:22] <knome> with app icons
[19:48] <leo-unglaub> just updated my website...now with the xubuntu countdown banner on the right site :)
[19:48] <leo-unglaub> http://www.leo-unglaub.net/about-me.html
[21:41] <knome> pleia2, ?
[21:41] <pleia2> hey
[21:41] <knome> you know what?
[21:41] <pleia2> nope
[21:41] <knome> there's some planned goodness at http://xubuntu.org/?p=794&preview=true
[21:42] <pleia2> ooh, very spiffy
[21:42] <knome> isn't it!
[21:43] <knome> i'm wondering if the maximize+icons analogy work
[21:43] <knome> i don't want to create new icons just for this so i ripped some off the DMZ cursors ;)
[21:43] <knome> ochosi, ^
[21:44] <knome> pleia2, btw, feel free to add anything you see fit
[21:45] <knome> just don't break the html on the icons ;))
[21:45] <pleia2> I'll be careful :)
[21:45] <knome> (well that isn't hard, just don't touch them)
[21:45]  * pleia2 nods
[21:45] <knome> mmh, well it's good to know if WP will break those with normal editing
[21:45] <knome> there's some quirks you need to know not to break inline styles set in the html mode...
[21:46] <knome> but we can just fix that just before release anyway, and then never touch it again ;)
[21:46] <pleia2> hehe
[21:47] <knome> or we can spend some time in writing a plugin that provides a shortcode to print such icon-text-combinations, if we'd need that all the time :P
[21:51] <knome> damn http://xubuntu.org/news/11-10-release/ looks dry compared to the new one :D
[21:53] <pleia2> progress!
[21:53] <knome> yeah
[21:54] <knome> we still need a download-button :)
[22:44] <knome> pleia2, bleh, you still there?
[22:44] <pleia2> yeah
[22:44] <knome> i half-accidentally removed the high-res screenshots from the site while working with the screenshots page
[22:44] <knome> we can use the gallery shortcode and it'll list any images attached to that page - or any other page
[22:44] <knome> see http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=534&preview=true
[22:45] <knome> that's dynamically created
[22:45] <pleia2> don't do that
[22:45] <pleia2> :)
[22:45] <knome> we probably want a few words there to make it not look so desolate
[22:45] <knome> why don't ?
[22:46] <knome> or are you just referring to removing shots :P
[22:46] <pleia2> yeah that
[22:46] <knome> (they're gone already! :P)
[22:46] <knome> i didn't notice that the ones in the front page weren't high-res too :(
[22:47] <knome> not too bad though, we need to update the screenies for precise anyway :)
[22:47] <pleia2> I still have them all, shall I upload?
[22:47] <knome> umm, if you can send them to me by email, i could fix 'em all
[22:47] <pleia2> ok
[22:47] <knome> i need to see if just uploading breaks things
[22:47] <knome> (shouldn't, but want to make sure it really doesn't)
[22:48] <pleia2> sent
[22:48] <knome> thanks
[22:49] <knome> oh, btw, you have my old email addy
[22:49] <knome> not that it matters *much*, but the current is pasi@shimmerproject.org
[22:49] <pleia2> ah, right
[22:49] <pleia2> both in addressbook, always choose the wrong one ;)
[22:50] <knome> hehe
[22:50] <knome> just del the old one then :)
[22:50] <knome> or are you keeping backlogs of address books too :)
[22:51] <pleia2> haha, no, it's just gmail which autosaves everything
[22:51] <knome> awwh :)
[22:53] <knome> oh noes
[22:53] <knome> now i know why the images were not high-res
[22:53] <knome> everything is not working correctly
[22:53] <knome> there was some glitch with the plugin in the canonical server, works everywhere else :/
[22:53] <pleia2> :(
[22:54] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/oneiric_05.png seems to be working
[22:54] <knome> yeah, that's not on the frontpage
[22:55] <pleia2> oh, x2.png and such are low-res
[22:55] <pleia2> originally
[22:55] <knome> yup
[22:55] <knome> :|
[22:55] <knome> i need to fix this, but i think that's going to be after precise release
[23:00] <knome> no, actually, there IS a bug in the code
[23:00] <knome> wooo
[23:03] <pleia2> why are the thumbnails square? :)
[23:03] <knome> because i told them to be
[23:03] <knome> ;)
[23:03] <pleia2> boo square
[23:03] <knome> heh, well, i think we can migrate to 600px wide "large" size too
[23:03] <knome> lemme fix that
[23:03] <pleia2> ok
[23:05] <knome> there we go
[23:05] <knome> wait, what...
[23:05] <knome> the plugin works on yet another host
[23:06] <knome> weeeeeeeird
[23:06] <pleia2> heh
[23:07]  * knome checks wp versions
[23:07] <knome> no, they match
[23:07] <knome> zomg
[23:07] <knome> :P
[23:08] <pleia2> computers++
[23:08] <knome> haha, yeah
[23:14] <knome> bleh.
[23:14] <knome> stupid mistake.
[23:14] <knome> stupid stupid mistake
[23:15] <knome> seems like that was a php version difference that made it work on other hosts but not the other
[23:15] <pleia2> doh
[23:15] <knome> yup...
[23:15] <astraljava> Want me to link to a page that talks about php, and why it's a stupid, stupid mistake right from the get-go?
[23:15] <astraljava> ;)
[23:15] <knome> astraljava, i don't
[23:16] <astraljava> Surprised that you don't.
[23:16] <pleia2> lol :P
[23:16] <knome> there was a good article telling why php doesn't suck as hard as many people think, though
[23:16] <knome> but you wouldn't understand
[23:17] <knome> ahhh, perrrfect
[23:25] <astraljava> knome: I don't really have that much experience on the language to argue either way.
[23:25] <astraljava> But I did find funny some of the points the author made.
[23:26] <knome> well, it's not perfect
[23:27] <astraljava> I think the most important thing for me as a newbie on the language will be the fact that it's just not predictable, and not in line with most of the other programming languages.
[23:28] <knome> it's reasonably predictable if you use it right, but i definitely see your point...
[23:28] <astraljava> Weird returns values, inconsistent function naming, unpredictable behaviour with calling missing methods/class members etc.
[23:29] <knome> it's getting better :)
[23:29] <astraljava> Good to hear, cause it's becoming practically impossible to avoid the usage of it. :)
[23:30] <knome> mmh. i didn't say it's getting great though ;)
[23:30] <knome> but i think generally, php is much better than many people tell you it is
[23:31] <knome> vocal minority, and stuff
[23:31] <knome> and elitist geeks
[23:32]  * knome is waiting for a comment from a php-hater in this channel
[23:32] <knome> :P
[23:32] <knome> feel it coming
[23:34] <astraljava> Probably head exploded, needs to glue the pieces back together before response-capability restored.
[23:34] <knome> something like that
[23:37] <knome> hrm, well made theme
[23:37] <knome> where do i control those links again... ;)
[23:40] <knome> sweet. one more thing no-one will ever notice :)
[23:49] <pleia2> perl4evar
[23:49] <knome> ochosi, your blog article is published
[23:49] <knome> pleia2, ^
[23:49] <pleia2> (the website at work is all done in mason, it's so...something)
[23:49] <knome> :F
[23:50] <knome> perl is so scary
[23:50] <pleia2> we still use it a ton in systems administration stuff
[23:51] <knome> something like C++ isn't scary, becuase i don't know it. i just don't care. but perl is scary, because i've learnt it a bit
[23:52] <pleia2> want to tweet, or shall I?
[23:52] <knome> ah, that
[23:52] <knome> i can
[23:52] <pleia2> k
[23:52] <knome> done
[23:53] <astraljava> knome: There's something about perl in that phase, I've reached it too. It sort of stops me from getting over that barrier, too.
[23:53] <knome> astraljava, yeah. urggggghghh