/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/14/#lubuntu.txt

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meeti was able to play a  game on ubuntu some time back.. but its not opening on lubuntu02:01
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souliaqHi, I need a channel for general linux programming questions.04:16
EvilResistance##programming ?04:18
EvilResistanceor ##linux ?04:18
souliaqC++ programming04:19
souliaqin Linux, I missing some components in Windows like Windows Registry04:19
souliaqI need put per user config in some POSIX way04:20
meethow to remove lubuntu and install ubuntu?04:44
mysteriousdarrenmeet: is this a clean install? lubuntu install? ubuntu install? other>04:45
mysteriousdarren?04:45
EvilResistancemeet:  depending on what you want specifically, either clean install Ubuntu over the partition, if you dont want the programs that're bundled with Lubuntu, or just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop  if you dont mind the leftovers from Lubuntu remaining04:45
EvilResistancebut yeah, we do need more info, whats its current setup, what're you wanting, etc.04:45
meetno i dont want lubuntu completely. on my computer i got 3 partitions. c,d,l. c=winxp and l=lubuntu04:46
meeti want to remove lubuntu from l and replace with ubuntu04:46
EvilResistancethat'd require some advanced partitioning, which can be tricky04:46
EvilResistance(semi-advanced, rather)04:46
meetwill loggin to winxp and writing the mbr using easybcd and formating l drive help?04:46
EvilResistancenot really, the semi-advanced partitioning was in reference to installing Ubuntu to "L" without overwriting the entire disk (including C and D)04:47
meeti did that with lubuntu04:50
meetin winxp i can see three partitions with l: for lubuntu.. so will not formating the partition and writing the windows bootloader remove lubuntu?04:51
meetwill this not help?04:51
kanliotgo into windows xp04:51
kanliotformat the lubuntu partiton04:52
kanliotyou're done04:52
kanliotinstalling ubuntu will fix grub04:52
meetso after i format the parition and restart will booting from ubuntu cd work?04:53
meet@ kanliot04:53
kanliotyeah04:53
kanliotactually you can also format in the ubuntu cd04:53
meetthats easy.. so need to write the windows bootloader using any software?04:53
kanliotnope04:53
meetthanks kanliot04:53
kanliotyou can hang out here if you have any questions04:54
AquaGirlLoveHi.05:06
bioterrormorning05:06
AquaGirlLoveI am having some trouble installing Lubuntu onto my HP Pavilion Slimline.05:06
AquaGirlLoveI am trying to dual boot the computer with Win 7 and Lubuntu.05:07
AquaGirlLoveI go through the entire installation process, but when I reboot after it is done, I keep starting in Win 7.05:07
AquaGirlLoveFor some odd reason, Grub does not start up.05:08
bioterrorokay05:08
bioterrorwait a sec05:08
AquaGirlLoveOkay. :)05:08
bioterrorhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair05:09
bioterrorthere you go05:09
bioterrorthat should help you to fix it05:09
AquaGirlLoveThank you. :)05:09
bioterroryou can use 2nd option to get boot-repair05:10
bioterrorif you use your lubuntu live media which you created05:10
AquaGirlLovehmm...05:12
AquaGirlLoveI will try that.  Thank you so much! :D05:14
kanliotgirllove is it possible you messed up when you installed lubuntu?05:14
bioterrorkanliot, hardly05:14
AquaGirlLoveI just bought the computer today.05:15
kanliotfor example there is an option to select which disk to install grub 205:15
kanliotyou selected the right disk?05:15
AquaGirlLoveI selected /sda and not any of the /sda1 or /sda205:15
bioterrorhaha05:16
bioterroras I said, hardly ;)05:16
AquaGirlLoveI thought maybe Microsoft started to impose that BIOS lockdown.05:17
AquaGirlLoveI have never had an issue like this in the past with other comptuers when installing Lubuntu.05:18
bioterrorand you can disable that from the BIOS05:18
bioterrorand it' not Microsoft05:18
bioterrorit's the hardware vendors ;)05:18
AquaGirlLoveAhh...05:18
bioterrorMicrosoft just uses the possibility to use that feature to secure their operating system05:18
bioterrorand I see nothing wrong in it05:18
AquaGirlLoveLet me try the boot repairto see how that goes.05:19
AquaGirlLoveAgain, thank you for your help. :)05:19
bioterrorI believe this was not the last time we see her ;)05:20
AquaGirlLoveHi.  Just wanted to thank you, bioterror.  The boot-repair did the trick. :)06:20
bioterroryou're welcome06:21
AquaGirlLoveHave a wonderful night. :)06:21
AquaGirlLoveBye. :)06:21
bioterrorit's morning :D06:21
AquaGirlLoveHave a wonderful day! :D06:22
bioterrorbut hope you like your lubuntu on your new laptop06:22
AquaGirlLoveBye. :)06:22
bioterrorI will!06:22
AquaGirlLoveI like it!06:22
AquaGirlLoveI have been using it since 10.04.06:22
AquaGirlLoveOr was that 10.10...06:22
bioterror10.10 was a great release06:22
AquaGirlLoveI really like the speed of LXDE.06:22
AquaGirlLoveAnyway, you have a wonderful day, and thank you for your help. :)  Bye bye for now. :)06:24
kanlioti don't get it06:40
kanliotwith her laptop06:40
kanliotwhy would grub not install in the first place?06:40
bioterrorbecouse 0 was 1 and 1 was 006:42
kanliotis that binary for sarcasm?06:42
kanlioti can't tell06:42
kanliot;)06:42
bioterrorhave you seen the movie Magnolia06:43
kanliotno06:43
bioterrorwell, in the end it has a good explanation for things ;)06:43
kanliotman i'm actually kind of happy they fixed one bug annoying me06:45
kanliottransmission would always show new windows behind existing windows.... and they fixed it... in transmission06:46
smile4lovehi :)08:23
NQTropichi08:24
smile4loveNQTropic: how are you? :)08:27
NQTropicnot bad, Saturday evening, having a few drinks08:28
NQTropicu?08:29
smile4loveNQTropic: i'm fine! :D08:29
smile4loveVery sleepy however 9.908:29
NQTropic9.9?08:30
NQTropicoh that's the eyes right08:30
smile4loveyes! that are the eyes (chatzilla)08:30
NQTropicI'm listening to some mp3's before some mates come get me in about 45min08:31
smile4loveNQTropic: they will kidnap you :o08:31
NQTropicto drink, talk shit and play poker08:31
NQTropic smile4love: what version of lubuntu are you running?08:32
smile4loveNQTropic: i was running 11.10 a month ago :)08:33
NQTropicand now?08:33
smile4lovenothing. Linux Mint Debian Edition (Xfce)08:33
smile4love:)08:33
smile4lovehandles printing (cups & samba) better :)08:34
smile4lovehowever, i'm using some lxde components (lxterminal, pcmanfm)08:34
NQTropicoh I see08:34
NQTropicnot sure that I like the idea of a rolling release distro08:37
smile4loveNQTropic: I like it :)08:48
smile4loveI enabled debian sid repository's :)08:48
smile4loveJust a few packages that stuck to and old version because of package dependencies :)08:49
smile4love* an08:49
NQTropicI like to install a system and keep it the same and stable, only add security updates if I decide08:52
smile4loveNQTropic: I want to recieve improvements over time :)08:56
NQTropicI do a clean install with a new version if I want that09:00
smile4love:)09:09
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saint33hi folks16:12
saint33does anyone have any tweaks for Lubuntu to make it better ?16:17
bioterroranother's better is others not so bettre16:18
bioterrorbetter16:18
saint33that's true :)16:18
bioterrorbut if you have anything in mind, let us know16:18
bioterrormaybe we can help you16:18
bioterrorhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ maybe there is something16:19
saint33I already have a few drive and swap tweaks, and the chromium no-cache setup to make things faster16:19
bodhi_zazenbetter is in the eyes of the beholder, you will need to be more specific in what you want of lubuntu16:19
saint33looking to make things faster or use less memory, that's all really16:19
bodhi_zazenAre you using swap ?16:20
saint33nope, 2gb memory and using tmpfs instead, works perfectly16:20
bodhi_zazenIf not, then it is a long run for a short slide to use "less memory"16:20
bodhi_zazenWho care if you are using 60 mb (openbox) or 300 mb (Unity), firefox is not going to run any faster or slower16:21
saint33and noatime by default to speed up drive access16:21
bodhi_zazenUnused RAM is wasted RAM16:21
saint33heh yeah, agreed.16:21
saint33am onl tweaking so I can have things running on ancient tech16:22
bodhi_zazenI used to do a lot of that sort of stuff, but honestly it does not make that big a difference unless you are benchmarking or doing a disk intense task16:22
bodhi_zazenWrite 10,000 1K files to disk -> now overwrite them with /dev/zero , sure it will be faster16:23
bodhi_zazenbut firefox is not going to run *that* much faster16:23
saint33many little tweaks add up though...16:24
bodhi_zazenyea, but many of them also risk data loss16:24
saint33true, depending on tweak...  I'll stick with the current one's for now... was just curious to see what was available to try16:25
bodhi_zazenYour system is going to cache writes to disk , and perform them in the background16:25
bodhi_zazenso firefox is not going to run any faster while you read what I am typing on IRC16:25
bodhi_zazenso unless you run benchmarks ...16:25
saint33I use chromium and opera, no firefox here16:26
bodhi_zazenOK, same applies to those16:26
bodhi_zazenMost of the firefox slow downs are due to extensions16:26
bodhi_zazenFF w/o extensions is fast enough16:27
saint33yeah seen a few setups with tonnes installed...16:27
saint33that's why I like OPera, it's all included already16:27
saint33what do you normally do after a fresh install ?16:28
bodhi_zazenYou can do a few kernel tweaks, but, it is hard to beat the defaults16:28
bodhi_zazento do so you need to have a firm understanding of the kernel and your hardware16:28
saint33yeah, I dont wanna end up compiling a new kernel each time16:28
bodhi_zazenIn general, if there were a magic tweak that would boost your performance, it would already be enabled16:29
bodhi_zazenYou need to balance speed with data integrity16:30
saint33agreed...  the main one's I do are the noatime, no chromium cache and tempfs16:30
bodhi_zazenand if you are not using swap, memory tweaks are not going to get you anywhere16:30
saint33and since 10.04 my system has run stable...16:30
saint33you know how lxde uses blackbox themes for the titles...  have you ever found a theme engine to allow blackbox themes on the actual controls as well ???16:32
bodhi_zazenI do not think it uses blackbox, not sure about that one16:33
bodhi_zazenopenbox16:33
saint33*box themes for the titles only... for openbox...  am kinda looking to get a gtk engine that lets you use the same theme for standard controls to tie in the look/feel/colours16:33
Gege71hello16:35
saint33hi Gege7116:35
saint33wb bodhi_zazen16:35
saint33*box themes for the titles only... for openbox...  am kinda looking to get a gtk engine that lets you use the same theme for standard controls to tie in the look/feel/colours16:35
bodhi_zazendoh -) wrong button16:37
saint33:)16:37
bodhi_zazenlxappearance ?16:38
saint33here's an example...  I find a really nice openbox theme that I like, it changes the windows nicely but now I have to find a GTK theme to match the windows...16:39
bodhi_zazenyep16:39
bodhi_zazengtk is separate from openbox16:39
saint33what I would like is a gtk engine that lets you use the actual openbox theme for the buttons as well, windows etc.16:39
saint33a gtk theme that changes as your openbox windows change.. so they match :)16:40
bodhi_zazenhttp://zenix-os.net/screenshots/openbox.html16:40
bodhi_zazenI do not know a front end that changes gtk themes and openbox theme at the same time16:42
saint33am dreaming too much probably :)16:43
saint33although I do like this one: http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2009/09/3899654049_7eb94a24ff_o.png16:43
bodhi_zazenI prefer dark themes16:47
saint33like this: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2007/337/b/f/Zenner_by_thrynk.png16:48
saint33same theming only inverted for wallapper16:48
bodhi_zazenhttp://bodhizazen.net/img/gentoo.png16:49
saint33ahh very nice, using tint2 ?16:49
bodhi_zazensaint33: my gentoo install uses 60 Mb at login16:50
bodhi_zazenyea, I prefer tint2 to the lxde panel16:50
saint33am using Lubuntu for simplicity and 108mb at desktop16:50
bodhi_zazenhttp://bodhizazen.net/img/gma500/preview_blog.png16:53
saint33http://i44.tinypic.com/1591eb.jpg my desktop16:53
bodhi_zazenhttp://bodhizazen.net/img/gma500/gma500_2.png16:53
saint33nice, I love the minimal look16:53
saint33and faenzxa icons :)16:53
bioterrormy lubunt installation uses all the ram I have on this laptop :D16:53
bodhi_zazenIt is a custom 12.04 remix16:54
bioterrorso doesnt matter how much I have when this logs to desktop since starting chromium eats all16:54
bodhi_zazen'lo bioterror16:54
saint33havent updated just yet... 11.10 for now with a few added repo's and virtualbox for testing16:54
bioterrorevening bodhi16:54
saint33hi bio...  yeah, I want my apps to use the available memory, not the OS (like windows)16:55
saint33may i see your desktop bioterror16:58
bioterrorlubuntu?16:59
saint33yeah, I like to see how ppl have it setup :)16:59
bioterrorsaint33, quite like this: http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.10.png17:05
saint33nice...  I like your ocnky setup17:06
saint33lol, and the hostname :)17:06
saint33lemmie ask you something tho, is reiserfs worth using ? compared to ext4 ?17:07
bioterrornot that much17:08
bioterrorbut stay away from the btrfs ;)17:08
saint33lol, [phoronix] keep saying it's getting better, but not that much...  I like ext4 for now17:08
bioterrorext4 is a golden path17:08
bioterrorI've been experimenting with jfs, MurderFS and others ;)17:09
saint33yeah I tried jfs and xfs once and wasn't impressed...  ext4 with noatime and tmpfs works well enough for me17:09
saint33am looking forward to testing noveau more than anything else with 12.0417:12
bioterrorxfs is solid!17:15
bioterrorI have my video files on xfs17:15
saint33my external HD is ext2...17:16
saint33and any flash drive I boot from is ext2 as well...17:16
bioterroryou can use ext4 without journaling :P17:17
saint33I have ubuntu 11.10 on a flash drive so i can repair windows machines and formatted to ext2 so it cant get a virus incase I dont hit that boot from usb key quick enough :)17:19
saint33thx for the advice guys, laters :)17:24
Osmodivs_Hello. My multiple card reader device detects my CF and SD card, but cant open it, not even mount it18:33
Osmodivs_sudo mount /dev/sdc118:33
Osmodivs_mount: can't find /dev/sdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab18:33
Osmodivs_How can I read my cards?18:33
smile4everOsmodivs_: try sudo mkdir /dev/sdc118:33
smile4everand then sudo mount /dev/sdc118:33
smile4everbut you have to specify what you want to mount18:33
smile4ever:p18:34
Osmodivs_smile4ever, Well, in the Disk Utility, cards are detected as EOS_DIGITAL and CANON_DC and the first is detected in /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 and the second card in /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc118:37
Osmodivs_But I'll try what you suggested18:37
Osmodivs_sudo mkdir /dev/sdc118:38
Osmodivs_mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/sdc1': File exists18:38
Osmodivs_Hm...18:38
Osmodivs_The Disk Utility tells me this: Error mounting: mount: /dev/sdc1 is not a valid block device18:40
Osmodivs_How can I make Lubuntu read my CF and SD cards? They can't be mounted or read18:46
Osmodivs_Well, the system detects them, Lubuntu just won't show it's contents18:47
maximotohey i now can use the browser plus i now run ubuntu18:51
Osmodivs_maximoto, Nice. Do you know how to solve this problem? Error mounting: mount: /dev/sdb1 is not a valid block device18:51
maximotoosmodivs: what is it for? a diver you are trying to detect18:53
Osmodivs_maximoto, No, I want to read my CF and SD memory cards18:53
Osmodivs_I can see them on the Disk utility, but can't mount them18:53
maximotoi believe you have to use a multi card reader18:55
maximotousb port end18:55
Osmodivs_maximoto, I have one...18:55
Osmodivs_Ah, USB port end...hm...18:55
maximotoand it's not working?18:56
Osmodivs_Like, what do you think is wrong with the one I have on my PC?18:56
Osmodivs_Well, it is reading my cards, but Lubuntu won't show its contents, because can't mount them18:56
maximototry file manager18:57
Osmodivs_df -h18:57
Osmodivs_Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on18:57
Osmodivs_/dev/sda1             145G   74G   64G  54% /18:57
Osmodivs_udev                  2.0G  4.0K  2.0G   1% /dev18:57
Osmodivs_tmpfs                 792M  852K  792M   1% /run18:57
Osmodivs_none                  5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock18:57
Osmodivs_none                  2.0G  312K  2.0G   1% /run/shm18:57
maximotofile manager normally works for me when i use the multi card reader, you will see your device at the left18:59
Osmodivs_maximoto, Yes, I can see them, but can't read its contents18:59
maximotodoes your card has a switch on it that reads lock19:00
OsmodivsHad to rebbot cause Lubuntu crashed... Anyway! Where was I?19:06
Osmodivsmaximoto, Yeah, I can see the green LED, it is ON, but, can't mount it19:07
OsmodivsThanks anyway19:11
silverarrowhi21:25
silverarrowanyone clever with lubuntu install that resist a bit21:26
silverarrow?21:26
silverarrowI have trouble booting lubuntu on a HP laptop21:26
gordonjcpsilverarrow: don't ask to ask21:26
silverarrowI boot up to a terminal like state21:27
silverarrowI get the initial boot choices, "try with no change to system" "install lubuntu" etc...21:28
silverarrowbut after that, the terminal like state, which only says something about commands and "sudo" commands21:28
silverarrowI haven't found anything on this type of trouble googeling21:29
silverarrowany ideas?21:29
silverarrowgordonjcp: ?21:29
silverarrowI tried puppy linux and it boots fine21:30
silverarrowhowever I like something more stable like lubuntu or ubuntu21:30
silverarrowI have dual core cpu and 3GB ram21:31
silverarrowcame originally with Vista21:31
gordonjcpsilverarrow: really you'd need to give the actual error messages21:31
silverarrowlaptop  has hardly been used though, until now21:31
silverarrowI shall have to boot lubuntu and write down message21:31
silverarrowI thought it might be a known issue21:32
silverarrowI boot into a shell that states it allows for sudo comands21:32
silverarrowand I get no further21:32
OsmodivsHello. How do I mount my CF memeory card? All I get is this message: mount: can't find sdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab22:49
gordonjcpOsmodivs: from the command line?22:50
gordonjcpyou'd need to specify the device *and* the mount point22:50
Osmodivsgordonjcp: Yes, that's what I've been doing, but I can't22:50
Osmodivsgordonjcp: Can you tell me how?22:50
gordonjcpokay, are you sure that /dev/sdc1 is a valid filesystem?22:50
Osmodivsgordonjcp: That's what the Disk utility says, When I insert the CF card22:51
gordonjcpOsmodivs: you want something like "sudo mount /dev/disk /path/to/mountpoint"22:51
OsmodivsWhat is the "path to mount point?22:52
OsmodivsAll I know is the /dev/sdc path22:52
OsmodivsI did not know of any other paths22:52
gordonjcpthe path to the mount point22:53
gordonjcpwherever you want that to be22:53
Osmodivsgordonjcp: This is what I got:22:54
Osmodivshttp://www.pasteall.org/pic/3018622:54
gordonjcpI can't see that22:56
Osmodivssudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media22:56
Osmodivsmount: /dev/sdc1 is not a valid block device22:56
gordonjcpwell that suggests that /dev/sdc1 is not really a partition on the card22:57
gordonjcpare you sure it says /dev/sdc1 and not /dev/sdc ?22:57
Osmodivsgordonjcp: Strange, my CF is FAT22:57
Osmodivsgordonjcp: I've had tried both with no success22:58
gordonjcphm22:58
gordonjcpsame error both times?22:58
Osmodivssudo mount /dev/sdc /media22:58
Osmodivsmount: /dev/sdc is not a valid block device22:58
gordonjcpweird22:58
OsmodivsAn I really need this 64GB CF for backup my files22:59
Osmodivsdang!22:59
Osmodivstrying to remove it safely says:23:01
OsmodivsError detaching: helper exited with exit code 1: Detaching device /dev/sdc23:01
OsmodivsUSB device: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb1/1-4)23:01
OsmodivsCannot open /dev/sdc: No such device or address23:01
gordonjcpwow23:04
gordonjcpthat doesn't sound great23:04
OsmodivsWhat could be wrong?23:05
gordonjcpI don't know, maybe you could check the output of dmesg when you plug the card in23:06
OsmodivsI have no idea on how to do that...23:08
gordonjcpopen a terminal, type "dmesg"23:08
gordonjcpplug the CF card in, do it again23:08
gordonjcpsee what it says23:08
Osmodivs[   55.477478] sd 6:0:0:1: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery23:10
Osmodivs[   55.477488] sd 6:0:0:1: [sdc] Unhandled error code23:10
Osmodivs[   55.477491] sd 6:0:0:1: [sdc]  Result: hostbyte=DID_ABORT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK23:10
Osmodivs[   55.477496] sd 6:0:0:1: [sdc] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 07 57 fc ad 00 00 01 0023:10
Osmodivs[   55.477507] end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 12320682923:10
OsmodivsIt's gotta be that23:10
gordonjcpyowch23:10
gordonjcpsounds like your card is stuffed23:10
OsmodivsStuffed?23:12
OsmodivsLike, no more room left?23:12
gordonjcpbroken23:12
OsmodivsOh, broken...23:12
OsmodivsBROKEN!?23:12
gordonjcpif you've got a different card reader or USB cable, give that a go23:12
OsmodivsHm... perhaps my card reader is stuffed physically23:13
Osmodivsgordonjcp: Maybe, yes. I need another card reader, well, $30USD more to spend23:14
gordonjcpOsmodivs: a 64M CF card is probably quite old23:14
gordonjcpand they do have a finite lifespan23:14
Osmodivsgordonjcp: It is only 2 years old23:15

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