=== gordonjc1 is now known as gordonjcp [02:01] i was able to play a game on ubuntu some time back.. but its not opening on lubuntu === jamie is now known as Guest48654 [04:16] Hi, I need a channel for general linux programming questions. [04:18] ##programming ? [04:18] or ##linux ? [04:19] C++ programming [04:19] in Linux, I missing some components in Windows like Windows Registry [04:20] I need put per user config in some POSIX way [04:44] how to remove lubuntu and install ubuntu? [04:45] meet: is this a clean install? lubuntu install? ubuntu install? other> [04:45] ? [04:45] meet: depending on what you want specifically, either clean install Ubuntu over the partition, if you dont want the programs that're bundled with Lubuntu, or just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if you dont mind the leftovers from Lubuntu remaining [04:45] but yeah, we do need more info, whats its current setup, what're you wanting, etc. [04:46] no i dont want lubuntu completely. on my computer i got 3 partitions. c,d,l. c=winxp and l=lubuntu [04:46] i want to remove lubuntu from l and replace with ubuntu [04:46] that'd require some advanced partitioning, which can be tricky [04:46] (semi-advanced, rather) [04:46] will loggin to winxp and writing the mbr using easybcd and formating l drive help? [04:47] not really, the semi-advanced partitioning was in reference to installing Ubuntu to "L" without overwriting the entire disk (including C and D) [04:50] i did that with lubuntu [04:51] in winxp i can see three partitions with l: for lubuntu.. so will not formating the partition and writing the windows bootloader remove lubuntu? [04:51] will this not help? [04:51] go into windows xp [04:52] format the lubuntu partiton [04:52] you're done [04:52] installing ubuntu will fix grub [04:53] so after i format the parition and restart will booting from ubuntu cd work? [04:53] @ kanliot [04:53] yeah [04:53] actually you can also format in the ubuntu cd [04:53] thats easy.. so need to write the windows bootloader using any software? [04:53] nope [04:53] thanks kanliot [04:54] you can hang out here if you have any questions [05:06] Hi. [05:06] morning [05:06] I am having some trouble installing Lubuntu onto my HP Pavilion Slimline. [05:07] I am trying to dual boot the computer with Win 7 and Lubuntu. [05:07] I go through the entire installation process, but when I reboot after it is done, I keep starting in Win 7. [05:08] For some odd reason, Grub does not start up. [05:08] okay [05:08] wait a sec [05:08] Okay. :) [05:09] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair [05:09] there you go [05:09] that should help you to fix it [05:09] Thank you. :) [05:10] you can use 2nd option to get boot-repair [05:10] if you use your lubuntu live media which you created [05:12] hmm... [05:14] I will try that. Thank you so much! :D [05:14] girllove is it possible you messed up when you installed lubuntu? [05:14] kanliot, hardly [05:15] I just bought the computer today. [05:15] for example there is an option to select which disk to install grub 2 [05:15] you selected the right disk? [05:15] I selected /sda and not any of the /sda1 or /sda2 [05:16] haha [05:16] as I said, hardly ;) [05:17] I thought maybe Microsoft started to impose that BIOS lockdown. [05:18] I have never had an issue like this in the past with other comptuers when installing Lubuntu. [05:18] and you can disable that from the BIOS [05:18] and it' not Microsoft [05:18] it's the hardware vendors ;) [05:18] Ahh... [05:18] Microsoft just uses the possibility to use that feature to secure their operating system [05:18] and I see nothing wrong in it [05:19] Let me try the boot repairto see how that goes. [05:19] Again, thank you for your help. :) [05:20] I believe this was not the last time we see her ;) [06:20] Hi. Just wanted to thank you, bioterror. The boot-repair did the trick. :) [06:21] you're welcome [06:21] Have a wonderful night. :) [06:21] Bye. :) [06:21] it's morning :D [06:22] Have a wonderful day! :D [06:22] but hope you like your lubuntu on your new laptop [06:22] Bye. :) [06:22] I will! [06:22] I like it! [06:22] I have been using it since 10.04. [06:22] Or was that 10.10... [06:22] 10.10 was a great release [06:22] I really like the speed of LXDE. [06:24] Anyway, you have a wonderful day, and thank you for your help. :) Bye bye for now. :) [06:40] i don't get it [06:40] with her laptop [06:40] why would grub not install in the first place? [06:42] becouse 0 was 1 and 1 was 0 [06:42] is that binary for sarcasm? [06:42] i can't tell [06:42] ;) [06:43] have you seen the movie Magnolia [06:43] no [06:43] well, in the end it has a good explanation for things ;) [06:45] man i'm actually kind of happy they fixed one bug annoying me [06:46] transmission would always show new windows behind existing windows.... and they fixed it... in transmission [08:23] hi :) [08:24] hi [08:27] NQTropic: how are you? :) [08:28] not bad, Saturday evening, having a few drinks [08:29] u? [08:29] NQTropic: i'm fine! :D [08:29] Very sleepy however 9.9 [08:30] 9.9? [08:30] oh that's the eyes right [08:30] yes! that are the eyes (chatzilla) [08:31] I'm listening to some mp3's before some mates come get me in about 45min [08:31] NQTropic: they will kidnap you :o [08:31] to drink, talk shit and play poker [08:32] smile4love: what version of lubuntu are you running? [08:33] NQTropic: i was running 11.10 a month ago :) [08:33] and now? [08:33] nothing. Linux Mint Debian Edition (Xfce) [08:33] :) [08:34] handles printing (cups & samba) better :) [08:34] however, i'm using some lxde components (lxterminal, pcmanfm) [08:34] oh I see [08:37] not sure that I like the idea of a rolling release distro [08:48] NQTropic: I like it :) [08:48] I enabled debian sid repository's :) [08:49] Just a few packages that stuck to and old version because of package dependencies :) [08:49] * an [08:52] I like to install a system and keep it the same and stable, only add security updates if I decide [08:56] NQTropic: I want to recieve improvements over time :) [09:00] I do a clean install with a new version if I want that [09:09] :) === Combat_Wombat_ is now known as Combat_Wombat === smile4love is now known as smile4ever [16:12] hi folks [16:17] does anyone have any tweaks for Lubuntu to make it better ? [16:18] another's better is others not so bettre [16:18] better [16:18] that's true :) [16:18] but if you have anything in mind, let us know [16:18] maybe we can help you [16:19] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ maybe there is something [16:19] I already have a few drive and swap tweaks, and the chromium no-cache setup to make things faster [16:19] better is in the eyes of the beholder, you will need to be more specific in what you want of lubuntu [16:19] looking to make things faster or use less memory, that's all really [16:20] Are you using swap ? [16:20] nope, 2gb memory and using tmpfs instead, works perfectly [16:20] If not, then it is a long run for a short slide to use "less memory" [16:21] Who care if you are using 60 mb (openbox) or 300 mb (Unity), firefox is not going to run any faster or slower [16:21] and noatime by default to speed up drive access [16:21] Unused RAM is wasted RAM [16:21] heh yeah, agreed. [16:22] am onl tweaking so I can have things running on ancient tech [16:22] I used to do a lot of that sort of stuff, but honestly it does not make that big a difference unless you are benchmarking or doing a disk intense task [16:23] Write 10,000 1K files to disk -> now overwrite them with /dev/zero , sure it will be faster [16:23] but firefox is not going to run *that* much faster [16:24] many little tweaks add up though... [16:24] yea, but many of them also risk data loss [16:25] true, depending on tweak... I'll stick with the current one's for now... was just curious to see what was available to try [16:25] Your system is going to cache writes to disk , and perform them in the background [16:25] so firefox is not going to run any faster while you read what I am typing on IRC [16:25] so unless you run benchmarks ... [16:26] I use chromium and opera, no firefox here [16:26] OK, same applies to those [16:26] Most of the firefox slow downs are due to extensions [16:27] FF w/o extensions is fast enough [16:27] yeah seen a few setups with tonnes installed... [16:27] that's why I like OPera, it's all included already [16:28] what do you normally do after a fresh install ? [16:28] You can do a few kernel tweaks, but, it is hard to beat the defaults [16:28] to do so you need to have a firm understanding of the kernel and your hardware [16:28] yeah, I dont wanna end up compiling a new kernel each time [16:29] In general, if there were a magic tweak that would boost your performance, it would already be enabled [16:30] You need to balance speed with data integrity [16:30] agreed... the main one's I do are the noatime, no chromium cache and tempfs [16:30] and if you are not using swap, memory tweaks are not going to get you anywhere [16:30] and since 10.04 my system has run stable... [16:32] you know how lxde uses blackbox themes for the titles... have you ever found a theme engine to allow blackbox themes on the actual controls as well ??? [16:33] I do not think it uses blackbox, not sure about that one [16:33] openbox [16:33] *box themes for the titles only... for openbox... am kinda looking to get a gtk engine that lets you use the same theme for standard controls to tie in the look/feel/colours [16:35] hello [16:35] hi Gege71 [16:35] wb bodhi_zazen [16:35] *box themes for the titles only... for openbox... am kinda looking to get a gtk engine that lets you use the same theme for standard controls to tie in the look/feel/colours [16:37] doh -) wrong button [16:37] :) [16:38] lxappearance ? [16:39] here's an example... I find a really nice openbox theme that I like, it changes the windows nicely but now I have to find a GTK theme to match the windows... [16:39] yep [16:39] gtk is separate from openbox [16:39] what I would like is a gtk engine that lets you use the actual openbox theme for the buttons as well, windows etc. [16:40] a gtk theme that changes as your openbox windows change.. so they match :) [16:40] http://zenix-os.net/screenshots/openbox.html [16:42] I do not know a front end that changes gtk themes and openbox theme at the same time [16:43] am dreaming too much probably :) [16:43] although I do like this one: http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2009/09/3899654049_7eb94a24ff_o.png [16:47] I prefer dark themes [16:48] like this: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2007/337/b/f/Zenner_by_thrynk.png [16:48] same theming only inverted for wallapper [16:49] http://bodhizazen.net/img/gentoo.png [16:49] ahh very nice, using tint2 ? [16:50] saint33: my gentoo install uses 60 Mb at login [16:50] yea, I prefer tint2 to the lxde panel [16:50] am using Lubuntu for simplicity and 108mb at desktop [16:53] http://bodhizazen.net/img/gma500/preview_blog.png [16:53] http://i44.tinypic.com/1591eb.jpg my desktop [16:53] http://bodhizazen.net/img/gma500/gma500_2.png [16:53] nice, I love the minimal look [16:53] and faenzxa icons :) [16:53] my lubunt installation uses all the ram I have on this laptop :D [16:54] It is a custom 12.04 remix [16:54] so doesnt matter how much I have when this logs to desktop since starting chromium eats all [16:54] 'lo bioterror [16:54] havent updated just yet... 11.10 for now with a few added repo's and virtualbox for testing [16:54] evening bodhi [16:55] hi bio... yeah, I want my apps to use the available memory, not the OS (like windows) [16:58] may i see your desktop bioterror [16:59] lubuntu? [16:59] yeah, I like to see how ppl have it setup :) [17:05] saint33, quite like this: http://ricecows.org/lubuntu-11.10.png [17:06] nice... I like your ocnky setup [17:06] lol, and the hostname :) [17:07] lemmie ask you something tho, is reiserfs worth using ? compared to ext4 ? [17:08] not that much [17:08] but stay away from the btrfs ;) [17:08] lol, [phoronix] keep saying it's getting better, but not that much... I like ext4 for now [17:08] ext4 is a golden path [17:09] I've been experimenting with jfs, MurderFS and others ;) [17:09] yeah I tried jfs and xfs once and wasn't impressed... ext4 with noatime and tmpfs works well enough for me [17:12] am looking forward to testing noveau more than anything else with 12.04 [17:15] xfs is solid! [17:15] I have my video files on xfs [17:16] my external HD is ext2... [17:16] and any flash drive I boot from is ext2 as well... [17:17] you can use ext4 without journaling :P [17:19] I have ubuntu 11.10 on a flash drive so i can repair windows machines and formatted to ext2 so it cant get a virus incase I dont hit that boot from usb key quick enough :) [17:24] thx for the advice guys, laters :) [18:33] Hello. My multiple card reader device detects my CF and SD card, but cant open it, not even mount it [18:33] sudo mount /dev/sdc1 [18:33] mount: can't find /dev/sdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [18:33] How can I read my cards? [18:33] Osmodivs_: try sudo mkdir /dev/sdc1 [18:33] and then sudo mount /dev/sdc1 [18:33] but you have to specify what you want to mount [18:34] :p [18:37] smile4ever, Well, in the Disk Utility, cards are detected as EOS_DIGITAL and CANON_DC and the first is detected in /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 and the second card in /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1 [18:37] But I'll try what you suggested [18:38] sudo mkdir /dev/sdc1 [18:38] mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/sdc1': File exists [18:38] Hm... [18:40] The Disk Utility tells me this: Error mounting: mount: /dev/sdc1 is not a valid block device [18:46] How can I make Lubuntu read my CF and SD cards? They can't be mounted or read [18:47] Well, the system detects them, Lubuntu just won't show it's contents [18:51] hey i now can use the browser plus i now run ubuntu [18:51] maximoto, Nice. Do you know how to solve this problem? Error mounting: mount: /dev/sdb1 is not a valid block device [18:53] osmodivs: what is it for? a diver you are trying to detect [18:53] maximoto, No, I want to read my CF and SD memory cards [18:53] I can see them on the Disk utility, but can't mount them [18:55] i believe you have to use a multi card reader [18:55] usb port end [18:55] maximoto, I have one... [18:55] Ah, USB port end...hm... [18:56] and it's not working? [18:56] Like, what do you think is wrong with the one I have on my PC? [18:56] Well, it is reading my cards, but Lubuntu won't show its contents, because can't mount them [18:57] try file manager [18:57] df -h [18:57] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [18:57] /dev/sda1 145G 74G 64G 54% / [18:57] udev 2.0G 4.0K 2.0G 1% /dev [18:57] tmpfs 792M 852K 792M 1% /run [18:57] none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock [18:57] none 2.0G 312K 2.0G 1% /run/shm [18:59] file manager normally works for me when i use the multi card reader, you will see your device at the left [18:59] maximoto, Yes, I can see them, but can't read its contents [19:00] does your card has a switch on it that reads lock [19:06] Had to rebbot cause Lubuntu crashed... Anyway! Where was I? [19:07] maximoto, Yeah, I can see the green LED, it is ON, but, can't mount it [19:11] Thanks anyway [21:25] hi [21:26] anyone clever with lubuntu install that resist a bit [21:26] ? [21:26] I have trouble booting lubuntu on a HP laptop [21:26] silverarrow: don't ask to ask [21:27] I boot up to a terminal like state [21:28] I get the initial boot choices, "try with no change to system" "install lubuntu" etc... [21:28] but after that, the terminal like state, which only says something about commands and "sudo" commands [21:29] I haven't found anything on this type of trouble googeling [21:29] any ideas? [21:29] gordonjcp: ? [21:30] I tried puppy linux and it boots fine [21:30] however I like something more stable like lubuntu or ubuntu [21:31] I have dual core cpu and 3GB ram [21:31] came originally with Vista [21:31] silverarrow: really you'd need to give the actual error messages [21:31] laptop has hardly been used though, until now [21:31] I shall have to boot lubuntu and write down message [21:32] I thought it might be a known issue [21:32] I boot into a shell that states it allows for sudo comands [21:32] and I get no further [22:49] Hello. How do I mount my CF memeory card? All I get is this message: mount: can't find sdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [22:50] Osmodivs: from the command line? [22:50] you'd need to specify the device *and* the mount point [22:50] gordonjcp: Yes, that's what I've been doing, but I can't [22:50] gordonjcp: Can you tell me how? [22:50] okay, are you sure that /dev/sdc1 is a valid filesystem? [22:51] gordonjcp: That's what the Disk utility says, When I insert the CF card [22:51] Osmodivs: you want something like "sudo mount /dev/disk /path/to/mountpoint" [22:52] What is the "path to mount point? [22:52] All I know is the /dev/sdc path [22:52] I did not know of any other paths [22:53] the path to the mount point [22:53] wherever you want that to be [22:54] gordonjcp: This is what I got: [22:54] http://www.pasteall.org/pic/30186 [22:56] I can't see that [22:56] sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media [22:56] mount: /dev/sdc1 is not a valid block device [22:57] well that suggests that /dev/sdc1 is not really a partition on the card [22:57] are you sure it says /dev/sdc1 and not /dev/sdc ? [22:57] gordonjcp: Strange, my CF is FAT [22:58] gordonjcp: I've had tried both with no success [22:58] hm [22:58] same error both times? [22:58] sudo mount /dev/sdc /media [22:58] mount: /dev/sdc is not a valid block device [22:58] weird [22:59] An I really need this 64GB CF for backup my files [22:59] dang! [23:01] trying to remove it safely says: [23:01] Error detaching: helper exited with exit code 1: Detaching device /dev/sdc [23:01] USB device: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb1/1-4) [23:01] Cannot open /dev/sdc: No such device or address [23:04] wow [23:04] that doesn't sound great [23:05] What could be wrong? [23:06] I don't know, maybe you could check the output of dmesg when you plug the card in [23:08] I have no idea on how to do that... [23:08] open a terminal, type "dmesg" [23:08] plug the CF card in, do it again [23:08] see what it says [23:10] [ 55.477478] sd 6:0:0:1: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery [23:10] [ 55.477488] sd 6:0:0:1: [sdc] Unhandled error code [23:10] [ 55.477491] sd 6:0:0:1: [sdc] Result: hostbyte=DID_ABORT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK [23:10] [ 55.477496] sd 6:0:0:1: [sdc] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 07 57 fc ad 00 00 01 00 [23:10] [ 55.477507] end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 123206829 [23:10] It's gotta be that [23:10] yowch [23:10] sounds like your card is stuffed [23:12] Stuffed? [23:12] Like, no more room left? [23:12] broken [23:12] Oh, broken... [23:12] BROKEN!? [23:12] if you've got a different card reader or USB cable, give that a go [23:13] Hm... perhaps my card reader is stuffed physically [23:14] gordonjcp: Maybe, yes. I need another card reader, well, $30USD more to spend [23:14] Osmodivs: a 64M CF card is probably quite old [23:14] and they do have a finite lifespan [23:15] gordonjcp: It is only 2 years old