| brousch | semantic.gs is nice | 00:22 |
|---|---|---|
| brousch | got a responsive fluid layout going with no grid crap in the html | 00:23 |
| rick_h | I'm briliant, don't rm my nosetests.xml file and somehow the nosetests build step got erased | 00:24 |
| rick_h | so for weeks been saying all tests are fine by using the old nosetests.xml files | 00:24 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yeah, boneheaded moves appear to be the norm | 00:53 |
| rick_h | been that kind of day... | 00:54 |
| rick_h | drinking lots of wine to compensate | 00:54 |
| rick_h | wheeee | 00:54 |
| snap-l | It makes you smarter. | 00:54 |
| rick_h | definitely | 00:54 |
| rick_h | and type better | 00:55 |
| rick_h | how's everyone else's friday night going? | 00:57 |
| snap-l | Putting together OMC 45 | 00:58 |
| snap-l | With a glass of port | 00:58 |
| rick_h | nice | 00:58 |
| snap-l | http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2012/04/13/white-trash-repairs-os-wars/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThereIFixedIt+%28There%2C+I+Fixed+It.%29 | 01:10 |
| snap-l | Streamlined a lot of putting together OMC | 03:35 |
| snap-l | not the actual show, but building the episode from a .wav file | 03:35 |
| === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD | ||
| rick_h | snap-l: that's good, more time for the fun part, less for the busy work | 11:15 |
| rick_h | 281689 | 11:41 |
| rick_h | _stink__: so the doors are no match for michael any more. He's opening them all today :/ | 13:18 |
| rick_h | and now that he's not in his crib, I fear waking up to him walking in my room grabbing my face and telling me to do something | 13:19 |
| rick_h | 128831 | 13:21 |
| _stink__ | rick_h: haha! | 14:27 |
| _stink__ | yikes! | 14:27 |
| _stink__ | rick_h: how has the transition to big bed gone? | 14:27 |
| === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ | ||
| rick_h | _stink_: good, he's lost some stuff animals off the edge, but he's actually staying pretty much put | 14:58 |
| rick_h | brousch: http://www.craigkerstiens.com/2012/04/13/apps_to_services/ here you go, part of why I don't like django | 15:02 |
| rick_h | I'm a fan of the services model, see bookie_readable | 15:02 |
| JonEdney | I'm still prettry new to Ubuntu and can't really contribute much currently, but would eventually like to. The Michigan events, is there a fee for non-members to attend? | 15:05 |
| rick_h | definitely | 15:05 |
| rick_h | JonEdney: there's the release part coming up at Penguicon, I guess is that still going to be free snap-l ? | 15:06 |
| rick_h | snap-l: since it's in a room this year? | 15:06 |
| rick_h | JonEdney: but many of us meet up at mug.org meetings, and coffeehousecoders meetings which are free | 15:06 |
| JonEdney | Yeah I see a few of those, which is very interesting. I may be making some strong attempts to attend these, I was introduced to Ubuntu about 2 months ago and just love everything the community is about. | 15:07 |
| rick_h | JonEdney: awesome, are you in the SE mi area? | 15:09 |
| JonEdney | Yeah, I'm in Westland | 15:10 |
| rick_h | JonEdney: very cool, well welcome to the ubuntu side of things | 15:20 |
| rick_h | man, <3 offlineimap but when it locks up and I don't notice...fun catchup time | 15:26 |
| greg-g | JonEdney: welcome to the channel. Feel free to hang around and meet us all. | 15:47 |
| greg-g | JonEdney: most live in SE Mich, some out west, I'm actually in San Francisco (just moved from Ann Arbor this summer) | 15:47 |
| JonEdney | Very awesome, I work for a web hosting company in Ann Arbor. | 16:07 |
| greg-g | JonEdney: ArborNet? | 16:10 |
| jcastro | rick_h: gear come in yet? | 16:16 |
| greg-g | jcastro: btw, the shopping cart logo thing for the Charms wiki page is adorable :) (yes, I haven't looked into that documentation much yet) | 16:18 |
| greg-g | it made me smile, I like that | 16:18 |
| rick_h | jcastro: shaving gear? no, monday | 16:32 |
| JonEdney | greg-g: A2 Hosting actually, sorry was on the phone. | 16:35 |
| rick_h | ah cool, I think A2 hosting is sponsoring MUG | 16:35 |
| rick_h | mmm, hack or nap...hack or nap. The question that arises every time the boy goes down for nap time | 16:36 |
| greg-g | hack+coffee | 16:44 |
| greg-g | alright, time for me to join the facial hair party and look for a new beard trimmer | 16:59 |
| rick_h | i've not had good luck with that | 17:06 |
| rick_h | rocking the argparse subcommands | 17:07 |
| rick_h | bookie_api invites list | 17:07 |
| rick_h | bookie invites set -u admin -i 999 | 17:07 |
| rick_h | bwuhahaha | 17:07 |
| jrwren | gnome should just admit that copy/paste in terminal is a mistake and change back to copy on selection and paste w/middle or right click | 17:08 |
| rick_h | people that like that behavior should move on from gnome-terminal :) | 17:08 |
| jrwren | rxvt is so 1996 | 17:10 |
| jrwren | but i'll take recommendations | 17:10 |
| jrwren | its not like i'm in desktop linux often. but its infuriating to use gnome teriminal | 17:10 |
| rick_h | rxvt-unicode is my choice http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/06/9-good-terminal-emulators-for-linux.html | 17:12 |
| rick_h | I think it includes 256colors ootb now in 12.04 | 17:12 |
| jrwren | wtf, i just 7z a something on what machine and now I can't 7z x it on another??? | 18:08 |
| jrwren | oh sure, try again and it works. | 18:11 |
| jrwren | hrmf. | 18:11 |
| derekv | My shoulder actually hurts from too much mouse dependance and bad posture. =[ | 18:11 |
| rick_h | derekv: ouch, ergo time | 18:12 |
| derekv | I ame very very overdo for a long vacation, involving outdoors, sunshine, excersize, no computers | 18:14 |
| derekv | A reset | 18:14 |
| derekv | No computer because if I have one with me I'll just use it the whole time. | 18:14 |
| rick_h | yea, I do that a couple times a year | 18:16 |
| derekv | Is this your blog | 18:17 |
| derekv | lococast? | 18:18 |
| rick_h | derekv: it's the podcast snap-l and I do (every once in a long while) | 18:18 |
| rick_h | blog.mitechie.com is my blog I blog to once in a long while | 18:18 |
| rick_h | but the vim screencasts I did. I'm a vim fanboi and attemt to convert people. | 18:18 |
| rick_h | I claim brousch as a success story, I think | 18:19 |
| derekv | I'm not sure if I'm an emacs "fanboy", I use it, its just randomly what I decided to use way back ... i use vim/vi for banging on config files in terminal and know just the basic commands | 18:20 |
| jrwren | <3 vim | 18:20 |
| rick_h | I moved to vim for all my editing needs a couple of years back | 18:20 |
| rick_h | been a big win | 18:20 |
| rick_h | https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim | 18:20 |
| jrwren | i get red squiggles in my vim when there are errors :) | 18:20 |
| derekv | If someone asks me if they should learn one or the other, I shrug and say "I like emacs, seems like more people I meet like vim." | 18:22 |
| derekv | I think if your picking between those two your on the right track | 18:22 |
| rick_h | yea, I say that vi at least is on every system so you'll need to know it at some point | 18:22 |
| rick_h | but yea, I respect emacs users since at least they're not using some plugin to eclipse in their day job | 18:22 |
| rick_h | I even tried to do emacs once but failed horribly | 18:22 |
| derekv | Yep I usually explain that advantage, | 18:23 |
| rick_h | got the books/etc | 18:23 |
| derekv | My brother decided to start learning to program and on my advice he picked python (even thouh I don't use it much) | 18:23 |
| derekv | and _really_ likes it | 18:23 |
| rick_h | good call | 18:23 |
| derekv | He asked me about books so I went to #python, looked at the /topic, and gave hime the zed shaw book | 18:24 |
| jrwren | ha! | 18:25 |
| jrwren | i haven't found very many great python books. | 18:25 |
| jrwren | i have found a few terrible ones :( | 18:25 |
| derekv | which seemed to work pretty well until it got too tough for him then he started flipping between different books | 18:25 |
| rick_h | yea, I went through a ton of books | 18:26 |
| rick_h | but to be honest, when I learned/moved over to python it was mainly on hacking/moving forward | 18:26 |
| rick_h | weren't really books that I could point to and "that one taught me the python I know today" | 18:26 |
| derekv | At first he was like "which should learn 2x or 3x?" so I looked at that issue and was like, oh great ... he was reading all these forum posts etc | 18:27 |
| rick_h | heh, that's pretty common. Fortunately you can learn either these days and move along ok | 18:27 |
| rick_h | but 2 is easier since more stuff will work there | 18:28 |
| derekv | He didn't have the cultural understanding to interpret all that stuff | 18:29 |
| rick_h | yea, it's the issue with being new | 18:29 |
| derekv | Plus it seems like when your starting, you have this feeling that your going to be locked into one platform and you have to pick the right one now | 18:29 |
| rick_h | http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/index.html | 18:30 |
| derekv | And a lot of bad comments out there that seem to support this. | 18:30 |
| derekv | Had to keep telling him, you can switch later it won't hurt even if you pick the wrong one your not getting married. | 18:31 |
| derekv | Anyways I guess whether it was my influence or what, but he later came back and was like, "I've been learning shell and I think that everyone should learn the shell before they learn to program" =] | 18:33 |
| derekv | I've met CS grads who I had to explain to them what a shell was. | 18:33 |
| derekv | He also decided to learn vim. | 18:37 |
| derekv | The only thing I insisted on was that he learn git =] | 18:37 |
| derekv | rick_h, didn't you say something about using make files to rollout your dev enviroment? | 18:41 |
| derekv | was that something you planned for lococast? | 18:41 |
| rick_h | derekv: I might talk about it at MUG | 18:44 |
| rick_h | I'll talk about it some on lococast as well probably | 18:45 |
| derekv | I really like the concept. | 18:45 |
| rick_h | yea, took me a bit to 'get' it and even still it's a big thing but I'm loving the use | 18:46 |
| derekv | Do you get that to work on windows or are you so lucky to not have to ever think about that? | 18:46 |
| rick_h | not really any more | 18:47 |
| rick_h | bah, phantomjs is hating on me...so close | 18:48 |
| derekv | "Unable to install. Meteor supports RedHat and Debian." boooooo | 19:23 |
| derekv | also, I'm officially fed up with xchat | 19:23 |
| derekv | ahhhh here we go, erc =] | 19:25 |
| derekv | aghk color scheme fail! =[ | 19:26 |
| derekv | Red on blue. | 19:26 |
| Blazeix | sounds beautiful | 19:27 |
| derekv | Any syntax highlighting system / color theme engine needs to do sanity checks | 19:27 |
| derekv | I'm pretty sure there are formulas available. | 19:27 |
| rick_h | dammit, can't get this to work. xvfb, phantomjs, jenkins...ugh...suck a not fun combo | 19:28 |
| derekv | I'm having a hell of a time with xvfb, webdriver, tomcat, elastic bamboo | 19:30 |
| derekv | different tests fail every build. | 19:30 |
| Blazeix | does phantomjs require xvfb? | 19:31 |
| Blazeix | i thought it was standalone | 19:31 |
| rick_h | it needs it to run headless I think | 19:31 |
| Blazeix | oh, apparently the newest version is standalone, but older versions aren't | 19:31 |
| rick_h | trying to run it under jenkins user | 19:32 |
| Blazeix | "Starting from PhantomJS version 1.5, the Linux version is pure headless and does not need X11/Xlib anymore and thus there is no need to use Xvfb." | 19:32 |
| rick_h | orly...ok yea, using one version back, guess an upgrade is work it | 19:32 |
| rick_h | yea, 1.4 here | 19:32 |
| rick_h | cool, just wasn't sure on the ppas and didn't want to manually build | 19:32 |
| rick_h | hah, started compile and now I see: "With 4 parallel compile jobs on a modern machine, the entire process takes roughly 30 minutes." | 19:36 |
| snap-l | Sorry, have been AWOL most of the day | 21:44 |
| snap-l | dentist teeth cleaning, Squeeebox presentation, and have some friends over. | 21:44 |
| rick_h | party time | 21:44 |
| snap-l | Yo yo yo | 21:44 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt-QDXUeQnY | 23:26 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUQtRVqRKuY&feature=related | 23:27 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: thakns for the heads up on the phantomjs 1.5 updates. Works ok now | 23:34 |
| Blazeix | awesome | 23:36 |
| rick_h | yea, no nice xunit output, but at least can run the JS tests now in jenkins and get pass/fail | 23:37 |
| snap-l | brousch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZLob1Hi4I <- Local guys | 23:58 |
| snap-l | Love the first comment: | 23:58 |
| snap-l | "I'm in a band." | 23:58 |
| snap-l | "What do you play?" | 23:58 |
| snap-l | "The beard." | 23:58 |
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