[00:22] semantic.gs is nice [00:23] got a responsive fluid layout going with no grid crap in the html [00:24] I'm briliant, don't rm my nosetests.xml file and somehow the nosetests build step got erased [00:24] so for weeks been saying all tests are fine by using the old nosetests.xml files [00:53] rick_h: Yeah, boneheaded moves appear to be the norm [00:54] been that kind of day... [00:54] drinking lots of wine to compensate [00:54] wheeee [00:54] It makes you smarter. [00:54] definitely [00:55] and type better [00:57] how's everyone else's friday night going? [00:58] Putting together OMC 45 [00:58] With a glass of port [00:58] nice [01:10] http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2012/04/13/white-trash-repairs-os-wars/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThereIFixedIt+%28There%2C+I+Fixed+It.%29 [03:35] Streamlined a lot of putting together OMC [03:35] not the actual show, but building the episode from a .wav file === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD [11:15] snap-l: that's good, more time for the fun part, less for the busy work [11:41] 281689 [13:18] _stink__: so the doors are no match for michael any more. He's opening them all today :/ [13:19] and now that he's not in his crib, I fear waking up to him walking in my room grabbing my face and telling me to do something [13:21] 128831 [14:27] <_stink__> rick_h: haha! [14:27] <_stink__> yikes! [14:27] <_stink__> rick_h: how has the transition to big bed gone? === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ [14:58] _stink_: good, he's lost some stuff animals off the edge, but he's actually staying pretty much put [15:02] brousch: http://www.craigkerstiens.com/2012/04/13/apps_to_services/ here you go, part of why I don't like django [15:02] I'm a fan of the services model, see bookie_readable [15:05] I'm still prettry new to Ubuntu and can't really contribute much currently, but would eventually like to. The Michigan events, is there a fee for non-members to attend? [15:05] definitely [15:06] JonEdney: there's the release part coming up at Penguicon, I guess is that still going to be free snap-l ? [15:06] snap-l: since it's in a room this year? [15:06] JonEdney: but many of us meet up at mug.org meetings, and coffeehousecoders meetings which are free [15:07] Yeah I see a few of those, which is very interesting. I may be making some strong attempts to attend these, I was introduced to Ubuntu about 2 months ago and just love everything the community is about. [15:09] JonEdney: awesome, are you in the SE mi area? [15:10] Yeah, I'm in Westland [15:20] JonEdney: very cool, well welcome to the ubuntu side of things [15:26] man, <3 offlineimap but when it locks up and I don't notice...fun catchup time [15:47] JonEdney: welcome to the channel. Feel free to hang around and meet us all. [15:47] JonEdney: most live in SE Mich, some out west, I'm actually in San Francisco (just moved from Ann Arbor this summer) [16:07] Very awesome, I work for a web hosting company in Ann Arbor. [16:10] JonEdney: ArborNet? [16:16] rick_h: gear come in yet? [16:18] jcastro: btw, the shopping cart logo thing for the Charms wiki page is adorable :) (yes, I haven't looked into that documentation much yet) [16:18] it made me smile, I like that [16:32] jcastro: shaving gear? no, monday [16:35] greg-g: A2 Hosting actually, sorry was on the phone. [16:35] ah cool, I think A2 hosting is sponsoring MUG [16:36] mmm, hack or nap...hack or nap. The question that arises every time the boy goes down for nap time [16:44] hack+coffee [16:59] alright, time for me to join the facial hair party and look for a new beard trimmer [17:06] i've not had good luck with that [17:07] rocking the argparse subcommands [17:07] bookie_api invites list [17:07] bookie invites set -u admin -i 999 [17:07] bwuhahaha [17:08] gnome should just admit that copy/paste in terminal is a mistake and change back to copy on selection and paste w/middle or right click [17:08] people that like that behavior should move on from gnome-terminal :) [17:10] rxvt is so 1996 [17:10] but i'll take recommendations [17:10] its not like i'm in desktop linux often. but its infuriating to use gnome teriminal [17:12] rxvt-unicode is my choice http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/06/9-good-terminal-emulators-for-linux.html [17:12] I think it includes 256colors ootb now in 12.04 [18:08] wtf, i just 7z a something on what machine and now I can't 7z x it on another??? [18:11] oh sure, try again and it works. [18:11] hrmf. [18:11] My shoulder actually hurts from too much mouse dependance and bad posture. =[ [18:12] derekv: ouch, ergo time [18:14] I ame very very overdo for a long vacation, involving outdoors, sunshine, excersize, no computers [18:14] A reset [18:14] No computer because if I have one with me I'll just use it the whole time. [18:16] yea, I do that a couple times a year [18:17] Is this your blog [18:18] lococast? [18:18] derekv: it's the podcast snap-l and I do (every once in a long while) [18:18] blog.mitechie.com is my blog I blog to once in a long while [18:18] but the vim screencasts I did. I'm a vim fanboi and attemt to convert people. [18:19] I claim brousch as a success story, I think [18:20] I'm not sure if I'm an emacs "fanboy", I use it, its just randomly what I decided to use way back ... i use vim/vi for banging on config files in terminal and know just the basic commands [18:20] <3 vim [18:20] I moved to vim for all my editing needs a couple of years back [18:20] been a big win [18:20] https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim [18:20] i get red squiggles in my vim when there are errors :) [18:22] If someone asks me if they should learn one or the other, I shrug and say "I like emacs, seems like more people I meet like vim." [18:22] I think if your picking between those two your on the right track [18:22] yea, I say that vi at least is on every system so you'll need to know it at some point [18:22] but yea, I respect emacs users since at least they're not using some plugin to eclipse in their day job [18:22] I even tried to do emacs once but failed horribly [18:23] Yep I usually explain that advantage, [18:23] got the books/etc [18:23] My brother decided to start learning to program and on my advice he picked python (even thouh I don't use it much) [18:23] and _really_ likes it [18:23] good call [18:24] He asked me about books so I went to #python, looked at the /topic, and gave hime the zed shaw book [18:25] ha! [18:25] i haven't found very many great python books. [18:25] i have found a few terrible ones :( [18:25] which seemed to work pretty well until it got too tough for him then he started flipping between different books [18:26] yea, I went through a ton of books [18:26] but to be honest, when I learned/moved over to python it was mainly on hacking/moving forward [18:26] weren't really books that I could point to and "that one taught me the python I know today" [18:27] At first he was like "which should learn 2x or 3x?" so I looked at that issue and was like, oh great ... he was reading all these forum posts etc [18:27] heh, that's pretty common. Fortunately you can learn either these days and move along ok [18:28] but 2 is easier since more stuff will work there [18:29] He didn't have the cultural understanding to interpret all that stuff [18:29] yea, it's the issue with being new [18:29] Plus it seems like when your starting, you have this feeling that your going to be locked into one platform and you have to pick the right one now [18:30] http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/index.html [18:30] And a lot of bad comments out there that seem to support this. [18:31] Had to keep telling him, you can switch later it won't hurt even if you pick the wrong one your not getting married. [18:33] Anyways I guess whether it was my influence or what, but he later came back and was like, "I've been learning shell and I think that everyone should learn the shell before they learn to program" =] [18:33] I've met CS grads who I had to explain to them what a shell was. [18:37] He also decided to learn vim. [18:37] The only thing I insisted on was that he learn git =] [18:41] rick_h, didn't you say something about using make files to rollout your dev enviroment? [18:41] was that something you planned for lococast? [18:44] derekv: I might talk about it at MUG [18:45] I'll talk about it some on lococast as well probably [18:45] I really like the concept. [18:46] yea, took me a bit to 'get' it and even still it's a big thing but I'm loving the use [18:46] Do you get that to work on windows or are you so lucky to not have to ever think about that? [18:47] not really any more [18:48] bah, phantomjs is hating on me...so close [19:23] "Unable to install. Meteor supports RedHat and Debian." boooooo [19:23] also, I'm officially fed up with xchat [19:25] ahhhh here we go, erc =] [19:26] aghk color scheme fail! =[ [19:26] Red on blue. [19:27] sounds beautiful [19:27] Any syntax highlighting system / color theme engine needs to do sanity checks [19:27] I'm pretty sure there are formulas available. [19:28] dammit, can't get this to work. xvfb, phantomjs, jenkins...ugh...suck a not fun combo [19:30] I'm having a hell of a time with xvfb, webdriver, tomcat, elastic bamboo [19:30] different tests fail every build. [19:31] does phantomjs require xvfb? [19:31] i thought it was standalone [19:31] it needs it to run headless I think [19:31] oh, apparently the newest version is standalone, but older versions aren't [19:32] trying to run it under jenkins user [19:32] "Starting from PhantomJS version 1.5, the Linux version is pure headless and does not need X11/Xlib anymore and thus there is no need to use Xvfb." [19:32] orly...ok yea, using one version back, guess an upgrade is work it [19:32] yea, 1.4 here [19:32] cool, just wasn't sure on the ppas and didn't want to manually build [19:36] hah, started compile and now I see: "With 4 parallel compile jobs on a modern machine, the entire process takes roughly 30 minutes." [21:44] Sorry, have been AWOL most of the day [21:44] dentist teeth cleaning, Squeeebox presentation, and have some friends over. [21:44] party time [21:44] Yo yo yo [23:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt-QDXUeQnY [23:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUQtRVqRKuY&feature=related [23:34] Blazeix: thakns for the heads up on the phantomjs 1.5 updates. Works ok now [23:36] awesome [23:37] yea, no nice xunit output, but at least can run the JS tests now in jenkins and get pass/fail [23:58] brousch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZLob1Hi4I <- Local guys [23:58] Love the first comment: [23:58] "I'm in a band." [23:58] "What do you play?" [23:58] "The beard."