[00:22] <brousch> semantic.gs is nice
[00:23] <brousch> got a responsive fluid layout going with no grid crap in the html
[00:24] <rick_h> I'm briliant, don't rm my nosetests.xml file and somehow the nosetests build step got erased
[00:24] <rick_h> so for weeks been saying all tests are fine by using the old nosetests.xml files
[00:53] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, boneheaded moves appear to be the norm
[00:54] <rick_h> been that kind of day...
[00:54] <rick_h> drinking lots of wine to compensate
[00:54] <rick_h> wheeee
[00:54] <snap-l> It makes you smarter.
[00:54] <rick_h> definitely
[00:55] <rick_h> and type better
[00:57] <rick_h> how's everyone else's friday night going?
[00:58] <snap-l> Putting together OMC 45
[00:58] <snap-l> With a glass of port
[00:58] <rick_h> nice
[01:10] <snap-l> http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2012/04/13/white-trash-repairs-os-wars/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThereIFixedIt+%28There%2C+I+Fixed+It.%29
[03:35] <snap-l> Streamlined a lot of putting together OMC
[03:35] <snap-l> not the actual show, but building the episode from a .wav file
[11:15] <rick_h> snap-l: that's good, more time for the fun part, less for the busy work
[11:41] <rick_h> 281689
[13:18] <rick_h> _stink__: so the doors are no match for michael any more. He's opening them all today :/
[13:19] <rick_h> and now that he's not in his crib, I fear waking up to him walking in my room grabbing my face and telling me to do something
[13:21] <rick_h> 128831
[14:27] <_stink__> rick_h: haha!
[14:27] <_stink__> yikes!
[14:27] <_stink__> rick_h: how has the transition to big bed gone?
[14:58] <rick_h> _stink_: good, he's lost some stuff animals off the edge, but he's actually staying pretty much put
[15:02] <rick_h> brousch: http://www.craigkerstiens.com/2012/04/13/apps_to_services/ here you go, part of why I don't like django
[15:02] <rick_h> I'm a fan of the services model, see bookie_readable
[15:05] <JonEdney> I'm still prettry new to Ubuntu and can't really contribute much currently, but would eventually like to.  The Michigan events, is there a fee for non-members to attend?
[15:05] <rick_h> definitely
[15:06] <rick_h> JonEdney: there's the release part coming up at Penguicon, I guess is that still going to be free snap-l ?
[15:06] <rick_h> snap-l: since it's in a room this year?
[15:06] <rick_h> JonEdney: but many of us meet up at mug.org meetings, and coffeehousecoders meetings which are free
[15:07] <JonEdney> Yeah I see a few of those, which is very interesting.  I may be making some strong attempts to attend these, I was introduced to Ubuntu about 2 months ago and just love everything the community is about.
[15:09] <rick_h> JonEdney: awesome, are you in the SE mi area?
[15:10] <JonEdney> Yeah, I'm in Westland
[15:20] <rick_h> JonEdney: very cool, well welcome to the ubuntu side of things
[15:26] <rick_h> man, <3 offlineimap but when it locks up and I don't notice...fun catchup time
[15:47] <greg-g> JonEdney: welcome to the channel. Feel free to hang around and meet us all.
[15:47] <greg-g> JonEdney: most live in SE Mich, some out west, I'm actually in San Francisco (just moved from Ann Arbor this summer)
[16:07] <JonEdney> Very awesome, I work for a web hosting company in Ann Arbor.
[16:10] <greg-g> JonEdney: ArborNet?
[16:16] <jcastro> rick_h: gear come in yet?
[16:18] <greg-g> jcastro: btw, the shopping cart logo thing for the Charms wiki page is adorable :) (yes, I haven't looked into that documentation much yet)
[16:18] <greg-g> it made me smile, I like that
[16:32] <rick_h> jcastro: shaving gear? no, monday
[16:35] <JonEdney> greg-g: A2 Hosting actually, sorry was on the phone.
[16:35] <rick_h> ah cool, I think A2 hosting is sponsoring MUG
[16:36] <rick_h> mmm, hack or nap...hack or nap. The question that arises every time the boy goes down for nap time
[16:44] <greg-g> hack+coffee
[16:59] <greg-g> alright, time for me to join the facial hair party and look for a new beard trimmer
[17:06] <rick_h> i've not had good luck with that
[17:07] <rick_h> rocking the argparse subcommands
[17:07] <rick_h> bookie_api invites list
[17:07] <rick_h> bookie invites set -u admin -i 999
[17:07] <rick_h> bwuhahaha
[17:08] <jrwren> gnome should just admit that copy/paste in terminal is a mistake and change back to copy on selection and paste w/middle or right click
[17:08] <rick_h> people that like that behavior should move on from gnome-terminal :)
[17:10] <jrwren> rxvt is so 1996
[17:10] <jrwren> but i'll take recommendations
[17:10] <jrwren> its not like i'm in desktop linux often. but its infuriating to use gnome teriminal
[17:12] <rick_h> rxvt-unicode is my choice http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/06/9-good-terminal-emulators-for-linux.html
[17:12] <rick_h> I think it includes 256colors ootb now in 12.04
[18:08] <jrwren> wtf, i just 7z a something on what machine and now I can't 7z x it on another???
[18:11] <jrwren> oh sure, try again and it works.
[18:11] <jrwren> hrmf.
[18:11] <derekv> My shoulder actually hurts from too much mouse dependance and bad posture.  =[
[18:12] <rick_h> derekv: ouch, ergo time
[18:14] <derekv> I ame very very overdo for a long vacation, involving outdoors, sunshine, excersize, no computers
[18:14] <derekv> A reset
[18:14] <derekv> No computer because if I have one with me I'll just use it the whole time.
[18:16] <rick_h> yea, I do that a couple times a year
[18:17] <derekv> Is this your blog
[18:18] <derekv> lococast?
[18:18] <rick_h> derekv: it's the podcast snap-l and I do (every once in a long while)
[18:18] <rick_h> blog.mitechie.com is my blog I blog to once in a long while
[18:18] <rick_h> but the vim screencasts I did. I'm a vim fanboi and attemt to convert people.
[18:19] <rick_h> I claim brousch as a success story, I think
[18:20] <derekv> I'm not sure if I'm an emacs "fanboy", I use it, its just randomly what I decided to use way back ... i use vim/vi for banging on config files in terminal and know just the basic commands
[18:20] <jrwren> <3 vim
[18:20] <rick_h> I moved to vim for all my editing needs a couple of years back
[18:20] <rick_h> been a big win
[18:20] <rick_h> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim
[18:20] <jrwren> i get red squiggles in my vim when there are errors :)
[18:22] <derekv> If someone asks me if they should learn one or the other, I shrug and say "I like emacs, seems like more people I meet like vim."
[18:22] <derekv> I think if your picking between those two your on the right track
[18:22] <rick_h> yea, I say that vi at least is on every system so you'll need to know it at some point
[18:22] <rick_h> but yea, I respect emacs users since at least they're not using some plugin to eclipse in their day job
[18:22] <rick_h> I even tried to do emacs once but failed horribly
[18:23] <derekv> Yep I usually explain that advantage,
[18:23] <rick_h> got the books/etc
[18:23] <derekv> My brother decided to start learning to program and on my advice he picked python (even thouh I don't use it much)
[18:23] <derekv> and _really_ likes it
[18:23] <rick_h> good call
[18:24] <derekv> He asked me about books so I went to #python, looked at the /topic, and gave hime the zed shaw book
[18:25] <jrwren> ha!
[18:25] <jrwren> i haven't found very many great python books.
[18:25] <jrwren> i have found a few terrible ones :(
[18:25] <derekv> which seemed to work pretty well until it got too tough for him then he started flipping between different books
[18:26] <rick_h> yea, I went through a ton of books
[18:26] <rick_h> but to be honest, when I learned/moved over to python it was mainly on hacking/moving forward
[18:26] <rick_h> weren't really books that I could point to and "that one taught me the python I know today"
[18:27] <derekv> At first he was like "which should learn 2x or 3x?" so I looked at that issue and was like, oh great ... he was reading all these forum posts etc
[18:27] <rick_h> heh, that's pretty common. Fortunately you can learn either these days and move along ok
[18:28] <rick_h> but 2 is easier since more stuff will work there
[18:29] <derekv> He didn't have the cultural understanding to interpret all that stuff
[18:29] <rick_h> yea, it's the issue with being new
[18:29] <derekv> Plus it seems like when your starting, you have this feeling that your going to be locked into one platform and you have to pick the right one now
[18:30] <rick_h> http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/index.html
[18:30] <derekv> And a lot of bad comments out there that seem to support this.
[18:31] <derekv> Had to keep telling him, you can switch later it won't hurt even if you pick the wrong one your not getting married.
[18:33] <derekv> Anyways I guess whether it was my influence or what, but he later came back and was like, "I've been learning shell and I think that everyone should learn the shell before they learn to program"  =]
[18:33] <derekv> I've met CS grads who I had to explain to them what a shell was.
[18:37] <derekv> He also decided to learn vim.
[18:37] <derekv> The only thing I insisted on was that he learn git =]
[18:41] <derekv> rick_h, didn't you say something about using make files to rollout your dev enviroment?
[18:41] <derekv> was that something you planned for lococast?
[18:44] <rick_h> derekv: I might talk about it at MUG
[18:45] <rick_h> I'll talk about it some on lococast as well probably
[18:45] <derekv> I really like the concept.
[18:46] <rick_h> yea, took me a bit to 'get' it and even still it's a big thing but I'm loving the use
[18:46] <derekv> Do you get that to work on windows or are you so lucky to not have to ever think about that?
[18:47] <rick_h> not really any more
[18:48] <rick_h> bah, phantomjs is hating on me...so close
[19:23] <derekv> "Unable to install. Meteor supports RedHat and Debian." boooooo
[19:23] <derekv> also, I'm officially fed up  with xchat
[19:25] <derekv> ahhhh here we go, erc =]
[19:26] <derekv> aghk color scheme fail! =[
[19:26] <derekv> Red on blue.
[19:27] <Blazeix> sounds beautiful
[19:27] <derekv> Any syntax highlighting system / color theme engine needs to do sanity checks
[19:27] <derekv> I'm pretty sure there are formulas available.
[19:28] <rick_h> dammit, can't get this to work. xvfb, phantomjs, jenkins...ugh...suck a not fun combo
[19:30] <derekv> I'm having a hell of a time with xvfb, webdriver, tomcat, elastic bamboo
[19:30] <derekv> different tests fail every build.
[19:31] <Blazeix> does phantomjs require xvfb?
[19:31] <Blazeix> i thought it was standalone
[19:31] <rick_h> it needs it to run headless I think
[19:31] <Blazeix> oh, apparently the newest version is standalone, but older versions aren't
[19:32] <rick_h> trying to run it under jenkins user
[19:32] <Blazeix> "Starting from PhantomJS version 1.5, the Linux version is pure headless and does not need X11/Xlib anymore and thus there is no need to use Xvfb."
[19:32] <rick_h> orly...ok yea, using one version back, guess an upgrade is work it
[19:32] <rick_h> yea, 1.4 here
[19:32] <rick_h> cool, just wasn't sure on the ppas and didn't want to manually build
[19:36] <rick_h> hah, started compile and now I see: "With 4 parallel compile jobs on a modern machine, the entire process takes roughly 30 minutes."
[21:44] <snap-l> Sorry, have been AWOL most of the day
[21:44] <snap-l> dentist teeth cleaning, Squeeebox presentation, and have some friends over.
[21:44] <rick_h> party time
[21:44] <snap-l> Yo yo yo
[23:26] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt-QDXUeQnY
[23:27] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUQtRVqRKuY&feature=related
[23:34] <rick_h> Blazeix: thakns for the heads up on the phantomjs 1.5 updates. Works ok now
[23:36] <Blazeix> awesome
[23:37] <rick_h> yea, no nice xunit output, but at least can run the JS tests now in jenkins and get pass/fail
[23:58] <snap-l> brousch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZLob1Hi4I <- Local guys
[23:58] <snap-l> Love the first comment:
[23:58] <snap-l> "I'm﻿ in a band."
[23:58] <snap-l> "What do you play?"
[23:58] <snap-l> "The beard."