[02:23] <LLStarks> hi, i haven't been able to get the nouveau module to load for the past few weeks
[02:23] <LLStarks> i get FATAL: Module off not found.
[02:24] <LLStarks> not sure what that's supposed to mean
[02:26] <Sarvatt> LLStarks: that means you have nvidia-current installed i believe
[02:26] <Sarvatt> can't use wayland with it installed
[02:27] <Sarvatt> err cant use nouveau sorry
[02:27] <Sarvatt> nouveau is aliased to off in the nvidia package
[02:28] <LLStarks> that's harmful towards my hybrid-graphics testing
[02:28] <LLStarks> i can't switch drivers on the fly
[02:29] <Sarvatt> of course you cant, nvidia sets up alternates for all of the mesa and x crap you  need to be using to use nouveau
[02:29] <LLStarks> well, i could before
[02:29] <LLStarks> but now i can't
[02:29] <Sarvatt> it hasnt changed in a few releases
[02:30] <LLStarks> i'm getting invalid symbols and crap
[02:30] <Sarvatt> i dont know what you're doing but assuming bumblebee, update-alternatives switching to mesa needs to be called switching to mesa instead of nvidia the same as it has for the past few releases
[02:30] <LLStarks> nouveau.ko will not load
[02:30] <LLStarks> no matter what
[02:31] <LLStarks> i'm not worrying about mesa or the ddx
[02:31] <Sarvatt> using the nvidia alternates sets up the blacklist for nouveau
[02:32] <LLStarks> >nvidia-current_hybrid.conf
[02:32] <LLStarks> really?
[02:32] <LLStarks> alias nouveau off
[02:32] <Sarvatt> nothing has changed there, i dont know what changed for you recently because thats weird, its been 2 releases since its changed
[02:32] <LLStarks> wyf
[02:32] <Sarvatt> yeah
[02:32] <Sarvatt> using nvidia does that
[02:32] <LLStarks> this is new
[02:32] <Sarvatt> new as in 11.04
[02:32] <LLStarks> don't do this
[02:32] <LLStarks> it's not necessary
[02:33] <Sarvatt> dont tell me, tell tseliot, or tell whatever stuff you're using outside of the distro thats not calling update-alternates to switch to mesa when you switch to nouveau
[02:34] <LLStarks> leave the modules alone, alternates are the only thing that need to be messed around with until PRIME lands later this year
[02:34] <Sarvatt> the alternates set up the blacklist, if its switching it should be fine
[02:35] <Sarvatt> maybe whatever you're using isn't calling update-initramfs to remove the blacklist from the initrd?
[02:35] <LLStarks> it's not switching
[02:35] <LLStarks> if i want to use wine, i need to modify the ld_library_path
[02:36] <LLStarks> afaik, nouveau loading first does not harm nvidia-current
[02:36] <Sarvatt> sure it does, it refuses to load if you do it
[02:37] <Sarvatt> nvidia prints messages about how you need to blacklist nouveau to use it
[02:37] <LLStarks> it's not a problem for me if nouveau is available
[02:37] <LLStarks> or loaded for that matter
[02:38] <LLStarks> the focus should be on keeping the card off using bbswitch as opposing to letting any driver load unless explicitly modprobed
[02:40] <Sarvatt> LLStarks: keeping bbswitch internal to something not in any distro doesn't help that cause :) bbswitch is awesome.
[03:08] <LLStarks> Sarvatt, well, it's the one thing that none of the people at dma_buf prime haven't considered
[03:08] <LLStarks> there is no other acpi solution
[03:08] <LLStarks> *people hacking away at
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> Can anyone here look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745481 should I file it to launchpad too?
[20:48] <Sarvatt> alex_mayorga: wow, you can use mapsgl on nouveau? its a constant stream of gpu hangs on intel, i'm amazed webgl on mesa isn't blacklisted in firefox but other webgl pages do work fine
[20:53] <alex_mayorga> Sarvatt: I could until a few days ago =(
[20:54] <alex_mayorga> Filed it on Launchpad as the problem happens on Chromium Bug #981883 
[20:55] <alex_mayorga> Ask me anything =)
[20:57] <LLStarks> mapsgl just sucks
[20:57] <Sarvatt> chromium shouldn't even allow webgl on mesa 8 because its busted, what chromium are you using?
[20:57] <LLStarks> it doesn't work right with snb
[20:57] <tjaalton> alex_mayorga: could you file it upstream? :)
[20:58] <alex_mayorga> Sarvatt: 18.0.1025.151 (Developer Build 130497 Linux) Ubuntu 12.04
[20:58] <alex_mayorga> tjaalton: How?
[20:58] <Sarvatt> oh maybe its just fixed in later chromium, not the one in the archive :( i'm on 20.x
[20:59] <alex_mayorga> Sarvatt: I use Mozilla's Nightly too and is the exact same bad rendering so I don't think is the browser
[21:00] <tjaalton> alex_mayorga: fdo mesa, nouveau dri
[21:00] <alex_mayorga> Sarvatt: Where do you get latest Chromium from? The PPA I have hasn't been updated in ages
[21:00] <alex_mayorga> tjaalton: Let me give that a try
[21:01] <Sarvatt> alex_mayorga: yeah its not, but mesa doesn't work well with webgl and needs to be blacklisted :( theres a very high chance any fix wont even be able to be backported to SRU to precise too now that nouveau is getting reworked
[21:03] <Sarvatt> oh sorry i meant chrome not chromium, gave up on chromium because the daily builds stopped too
[21:03] <alex_mayorga> Maybe I got that into myself https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729817#c50 =(
[21:03] <Sarvatt> hmm INTEL_HIZ=0 fixes mapsgl on intel
[21:04] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, how do you expect ivybridge to be working with precise in terms of stability and performance?
[21:04] <alex_mayorga> I can tell that it was working fine some weeks ago
[21:04] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: its awesome, unless you care about eDP or the limited 3 head support they have :)
[21:05] <bjsnider> edp?
[21:05] <Sarvatt> internal some video connection laptops use
[21:05] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: 11.10 is great on ivybridge too, thats mostly what i've been doing since the OEM machines will ship with 11.10
[21:06] <alex_mayorga> http://webglsamples.googlecode.com/hg/aquarium/aquarium.html still works fine on Nightly, so maybe is Google's fault after all
[21:06] <mlankhorst> is ivy bridge out yet?
[21:06] <Sarvatt> except it needs oneiric-updates, they broke things in vbios 2 times after 11.10 came out
[21:07] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: nope..
[21:07] <bjsnider> the release date is the 23rd i think
[21:07] <mlankhorst> aw
[21:08] <alex_mayorga> tjaalton: Should I still file upstream?
[21:08] <alex_mayorga> Looks more like a "page issue"
[21:09] <mlankhorst> does it overclock better than sandy bridge? :p
[21:10] <Sarvatt> no clue, reference boards and laptops i have dont allow overclocking
[21:11] <mlankhorst> ah sad, running my 2500k pretty stably on 4.6ghz 24/7, ivy would probably be slower than that :)
[21:12] <bjsnider> not for graphics
[21:12] <bjsnider> the metrics i've seen it hit are a lot higher than sandybridge
[21:12] <Sarvatt> if you're overclocking a desktop its safe to say you arent using an IGP :)
[21:13] <mlankhorst> yeah
[21:20] <imbrandon> ok whom can i bribe with hardware to make my usb displaylink dvi adapter "just work" , its got me pulling my hair out
[21:24] <jwi> imbrandon: i think 3.4 has a new driver for those devices
[21:24] <imbrandon> 3.4 ?
[21:24] <imbrandon> sorry i'm wayyyy un X knowhow, been hacking linux for years, X is black magic to me
[21:25] <imbrandon> i'm guessing Xorg 3.4 ? i'm on precise upto date with the xorg-displaylink driver installed
[21:25] <jwi> imbrandon: the upcoming 3.4 linux release :)
[21:25] <imbrandon> ahhh
[21:25] <imbrandon> kernel :)
[21:25] <imbrandon> kk
[21:26] <imbrandon> well i kinda have it working 
[21:26] <imbrandon> sorta
[21:26] <imbrandon> lol
[21:26] <imbrandon> its green screen on boot ( its a 3rd monitor ) other two are native diplay port on a mac mini
[21:26] <imbrandon> and i can add a conf file to the .d dir
[21:27] <imbrandon> and reboot and it works perfect
[21:27] <imbrandon> peoblem is the other two are then out of commission 
[21:27] <imbrandon> heh
[21:27] <imbrandon> so that is where i lay. broken and only 2 of 3 displays working :(
[21:28] <imbrandon> but i do have an extra on my desk :)
[21:28] <imbrandon> usb adapter not display :)
[21:29]  * imbrandon wonders off, anyone hilight my name if you have ideas , i'm game, and if it helps i'll send you one to keep if it takes that
[22:05] <alex_mayorga> Sarvatt, tjaalton : So should I upstream the bug?
[22:10] <Sarvatt> alex_mayorga: it would be much appreciated if you would pass it along to bugs.freedesktop.org because it needs to go there to get fixed, but i dont think anyone will respond honestly and blacklisting webgl which you convinced mozilla to stop doing is the more appropriate option  :(