[04:46] <xubuntu920> hello
[04:46] <k_sze> Weird
[04:47] <xubuntu920> I've got a weird install issue on xubuntu
[04:47] <xubuntu920> the last line under the detailed view is
[04:48] <xubuntu920> Apr 13 20:33:54 ubuntu dbus[1235]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.UPower'
[04:48] <xubuntu920> and it's just hanging there
[04:48] <xubuntu920> and has been for about 20 mins
[04:49] <shlorky> *17 minutes
[04:51] <shlorky> nvm!
[04:51] <shlorky> i'm just impatient/mental
[05:58] <MVanDruff> evening all is there a way to force uninstall an aplication
[06:03] <Sysi> what fails to be removed?
[06:05] <MVanDruff> i cant figure out how to remove stupid virtual box
[06:05] <Sysi> installed with synaptic or software center?
[06:07] <MVanDruff> dont remember so long ago
[06:07] <Sysi> do you get error when trying to remove with either one?
[06:08] <MVanDruff> it doesnt show up the source was dissabled when i updated to oneric
[06:08] <MVanDruff> it shows in software center sources
[06:38] <Guest3119> is anybody here?
[06:38] <knome> !anybody
[06:39] <Guest3119> heh
[06:39] <Guest3119> sorry
[06:39] <Guest3119> never used this thing before
[06:39] <Guest3119> umm i have a problem
[06:39] <Guest3119> after installing xubuntu there is no boot select
[06:40] <Guest3119> !anybody
[08:45] <MattiS___> Hello to all, I have faced a problem with Touchpad in Xubuntu 12.04. Anyone willing to help me with it? :)
[08:46] <MattiS___> (Touchpad= integrated mouse in Acer One Happy netbook)
[08:46] <chelz> MattiS___: what is the problem?
[08:47] <MattiS___> My netbook "keeps freezing" suddenly, in middle of anything.. Its random freeze, lasts few seconds.
[08:48] <MattiS___> And dmesg says something about lost bits or smthng
[08:49] <MattiS___> (And reconnecting the mouse)
[08:49] <chelz> MattiS___: you should put your dmesg output into a paste.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <MattiS___> oh dear, don't know how.. And I just rebooted, when trying to solve it on my own..
[08:52] <MattiS___> So my dmesg in console is empty for that problem..
[08:55] <chelz> MattiS___: if you can replicate it you should paste it
[08:55] <MattiS___> But maybe I keep fighting on my own, its quite fun, but my wife (whos netbook it is,) isn't very happy.. I was hoping that there is someone who have had same thing, and could help me "instantly". ;)
[08:56] <MattiS___> I googled it, it has been a pain in the butt for some others too.. But if it keeps coming up, I try to get it safe. (And it will, I think)
[09:00] <MattiS___> But thanks anyway for Ur time.
[09:09] <ysf> hi
[09:19] <ysf> hey :?
[09:23] <arpad2> what is ifconfig command used for?
[09:23] <Sysi> configuring networking without network manager
[09:23] <Sysi> see "man ifconfig"
[09:23] <Sysi> or you can just check your IP with it
[09:25] <arpad2> I have some problem with networking
[09:25] <arpad2> if you could give your opinion , please:)
[09:27] <arpad2> during bittorrent downloads my internet connection breaks
[09:28] <arpad2> when its working the ifconfig gives sth like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/929165/
[09:29] <arpad2> when it breaks only the lo paraghraph appears on ifconfig
[09:29] <arpad2> what might cause this?
[09:37] <Sysi> too much connections, limit amount of peers in bittorent client's settings
[09:40] <arpad2> ok
[09:42] <arpad2> is it a hw malfuction then?
[09:42] <Sysi> more like overload AFAIK
[09:42] <Sysi> I don't know why that happens but it happens
[09:43] <arpad2> thanks!
[09:43] <Sysi> np
[12:39] <loppy> ChanServ?
[12:44] <loppy> hello?
[12:45] <loppy> BEN_SAYS! SPEAK THIS MOMENT!!!!
[13:09] <loppy> hi
[13:14] <snaky90> Hi
[13:16] <babble> hi snaky90
[13:16] <snaky90> )
[13:16] <snaky90> :)
[13:16] <snaky90> Does anyone can help me?
[13:16] <snaky90> I have little doubt
[13:17] <babble> snaky90: it's usually easier if you ask a question about your actual problem instead of asking if you can ask
[13:18] <snaky90> yes jejej
[13:18] <snaky90> ok
[13:18] <snaky90> On the desktop, pressing the right button
[13:18] <snaky90> the options menu slow to appear
[13:19] <snaky90> why?
[13:19] <babble> in Xubuntu, right clicking on the desktop will (by default) cause a context menu, with the applications menu, to appear.
[13:19] <babble> it's by design
[13:20] <snaky90> yes
[13:20] <snaky90> but this menu, has lag
[13:20] <babble> xfdesktop is a bit slower to build that menu than similar contextual menus in other applications (this may be fixed by the eventual move to the thunar desktop plugin to manage the desktop instead of xfdesktop)
[13:20] <Sysi> snaky90: what graphics card?
[13:20] <snaky90> Ok
[13:21] <snaky90> my graphics card it's an intel HD
[13:21] <snaky90> I'm using Xubuntu on Asus EeePC 1011PX with Atom 570 dual core
[13:22] <babble> snaky90: fwiw, xfdesktop feels a bit faster for me in 4.10 than 4.8
[13:23] <snaky90> ok perfect
[13:23] <snaky90> 4.10 will come out soon
[13:23] <snaky90> thanks !
[13:23] <babble> Preview 1 is avaialble to build now.
[13:23] <snaky90> ok
[13:24] <babble> http://blog.xfce.org/2012/04/xfce-4-10pre1-released/
[13:24] <Sysi> babble: it still exists in 4.10, thunar still doesn't handle the desktop?
[13:24] <babble> Sysi: it was supposed to be in the 4.10 release, but it looks like it's been delayed.
[13:25] <babble> there's not a finished source package that's buildable for thunar-desktop-plugin from the git repo, still.
[13:25] <snaky90> babble: I'll try the new version
[13:25] <snaky90> babble: it's more or less stable?
[13:26] <babble> snaky90: Preview 1 is easy to build, but if you haven't, before, I have i386 and amd64 packages for Ubuntu on my sourceforge, with a patch for xfdesktop
[13:26] <SandJ> @loppy: how did you get on with your installation?
[13:26] <babble> the preview 1 release accidentally draws a resize handle in the lower right of your desktop
[13:26] <babble> snaky90: I've been on it for a couple of weeks? A day or so since the Pre1 code was posted.
[13:26] <snaky90> I'm interested
[13:27] <babble> http://sourceforge.net/projects/babble777.u/files/xfce-4.10-daily/
[13:28] <babble> the pkgbuild packages are automated daily builds and aren't guaranteed to be stable. The 4.09.12 package is from the Preview 1 code, with the aforementioned patch for xfdesktop plus extras I can't live without
[13:28] <baizon> babble: old
[13:28] <baizon> babble: http://blog.xfce.org/2012/04/xfce-4-10pre2-released/
[13:28] <babble> oooh, pre2!
[13:28] <babble> cool beans ;)
[13:28] <babble> lemme go build :)
[13:28] <baizon> :)
[13:28] <snaky90> thanks babble !
[13:28] <babble> snaky90: if you'll give me 20 mins or so, I'll have a build from that preview 2 release.
[13:29] <snaky90> Ok
[13:29] <snaky90> I am very grateful babble
[13:34] <loppy> can i see that babble likes a chicken
[13:34] <babble> snaky90: it's making now.
[13:34] <babble> do you need i386, or amd64?
[13:35] <loppy> i386 apt get install thunar
[13:36] <loppy> does ben_says say anythish?
[13:37] <loppy> oops
[13:37] <loppy> does ben_says ever speak here?
[13:40] <snaky90> i386
[13:40] <babble> give me a little to finish this build and make sure I didn't do anything dumb, then I'll run a 386 build.
[13:45] <snaky90> it's recomended Xubuntu amd64 on netbook ?
[13:45] <babble> snaky90: it depends on your processor.
[13:46] <snaky90> Atom N570 Dual Core
[13:46] <snaky90> 1GB RAM
[13:46] <babble> if you have 32-bit Xubuntu installed, I'll have a 32-bit installer package for you
[13:46] <snaky90> yes =)
[13:46] <babble> I'm just building ON 64-bit so that's what I end up doing first
[13:47] <snaky90> is curious, as the 64-bit OS consume more resources
[13:47] <babble> I don't know offhand if your processor is 64-bit or not.
[13:48] <snaky90> yes, it's 64 bits
[13:48] <SandJ> @snaky90: If the 64-bit installer CD runs, it's a 64-bit processor.
[13:48] <SandJ> The 64-bit Xubuntu will run with 1Gb RAM.
[13:49] <snaky90> ok
[13:49] <snaky90> I'll try in version 12.04
[13:50] <SandJ> If you are worried about resources and performance, install both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions in 2 different partitions.  It's not like you have to pay Microsoft any money to install Xubuntu twice.   :D
[13:50] <babble> on a netbook? hehe.
[13:50] <SandJ> Yes, on a netbook.  Mine has Ubuntu 10.04 and Windows XP, and Xubuntu 11.10 as a test.
[13:50] <snaky90> yes, I'm using Xubuntu on a netbook
[13:51] <babble> *shrugs
[13:51] <babble> with the amount of storage typically on netbooks, I wouldn't do a dual installation, but YMMV
[13:51] <SandJ> Why not?  How many corporate databases are you going to install?
[13:52] <snaky90> And I'm using 3.3 kernel version for reduce power consumption
[13:52] <babble> SandJ: I don't care about that but I do care about carrying a media library with me, etc.
[13:52] <babble> again, I'm not saying you shouldn't.
[13:52] <babble> Just that I probably wouldn't
[13:52] <SandJ> So?  Access the media library from either installation.
[13:52] <babble> SandJ: again, I'm not telling you not to do whatever you please.
[13:53] <Sysi> you can get pretty nice media library, windows and two xubuntu's in 160GB, not to mention 250 or more
[13:53] <babble> oi.
[13:53] <babble> once again, just because I probably wouldn't on a netbook doesn't mean anyone else should or shouldn't.
[13:53] <babble> this isn't particularly difficult to parse.
[13:53] <SandJ> Absolutely.  Which means you can have a stable implementation for using, and a more recent version for playing with and testing.
[13:54] <Sysi> but about i686 and amd64, you won't ever notice any difference on probably any machine
[13:54] <Sysi> unless you're gonna use 4GB RAM for a single app
[13:59] <babble> snaky90: I'm packaging this now. Let me install it and make sure it works, then I'll run a 386 build for you.
[14:00] <snaky90> OK
[14:00] <snaky90> thanks ! thanks !
[14:00] <Mormagus> hey guys, i have a problem with one SD memory card, t shows me I/O error when i'm trying to open it. Can't even make format
[14:00] <Sysi> babble: you wouldn't be interested in maintaining xfce-daily PPA? :p
[14:01] <Sysi> Mormagus: sounds broken
[14:01] <snaky90> I'm using Xubuntu for studies and I like Xubuntu for daily use
[14:01] <snaky90> t's great
[14:01] <babble> Sysi: No. Launchpad is a pain to deal with
[14:02] <Sysi> I get that
[14:03] <babble> Sysi: I'm sure debian packaging practices have a perfectly justified rationale, and I'm sure that Launchpad's idiosyncrasies do too, but it just gives me a headache.
[14:03] <snaky90> babble: xfce-4.10-build-scripts.tar.gz it's for make a build automaticaly ?
[14:04] <babble> snaky90: yes, but it'll need tweaking for the 4.10 prev2 that baizon linked to
[14:04] <Sysi> babble: it took me an hour to make openID account in launchpad, then I had to make another with right name
[14:04] <babble> (they don't do version numbers in the git repo, and they're using autogen for everything from git, but configure for the core components in the prev1 or prev2 releases.
[14:05] <babble> the scripts I have posed assume pulling from git
[14:05] <snaky90> ok, that version it's for 4.10 pre1
[14:05] <babble> I'm tweaking this package for posting, let me install it and make sure I didn't miss anything
[14:05] <babble> then I'll do a build for you.
[14:05] <snaky90> =)
[14:10] <babble> okay, brb
[14:16] <babble> ok. hmm.
[14:16] <babble> I'm in preview 2, and indicator icons are still squished and fuzzy. heh.
[14:17] <babble> and thunar-archive-plugin doesn't want to create archives, still. this doesn't look terribly different from yesterday's daily build.
[14:17] <babble> eh, in any case, try either.
[14:18] <snaky90> ok
[14:18] <snaky90> mejor usar la pre1
[14:18] <snaky90> I'll try pre1
[14:20] <snaky90> thanks babble !
[14:20] <snaky90> bye !!
[14:22] <babble> lag?
[14:22] <babble> sigh.
[14:22] <babble> and snaky's gone? sigh.
[14:31] <babble> the amd64 build is up, if anyone cares.
[14:35] <martinphone> can I play streams with gmusicbrowser?
[15:06] <Riba1122> Hello.
[15:06] <Riba1122> What's the command to show the deskop (in xfce)? I'd like to bind it to super + D. (I know Ctrl + Alt + D does the same, but still).
[15:07] <Sysi> see window manager settings -> keyboard
[15:08] <Riba1122> I know that, but I don't know which command to use.
[15:08] <Sysi> then you don't know that, but keyboard settings
[15:10] <Riba1122> Uhh, sorry, I misread your post. That works, tnx.
[15:10] <babble> Riba1122: in Window Manager : Keyboard, see Show Desktop
[19:30] <i7c> is there any shortcut to move a window to another display (not desktop) in xfce?
[19:31] <knome> nope, afaik
[19:34] <i7c> what a pity. but thx.
[19:35] <knome> !info wmctrl | i7c
[19:36] <knome> hmm, that wasn't very helpful. but check that package out, you'll be able to do that with a script that uses wmctrl
[19:36] <knome> i think...
[19:36] <i7c> thank You! i'll have a look :)
[19:37] <knome> np, hope it helps
[19:46] <martinphone> I have difficulties to expand the size of windows because the area reserved for expanding it is very small (the borders of the application where arrows appear)
[19:46] <martinphone> how can I make larger borders?
[19:48] <knome> martinphone, http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[20:37] <mongy> alt+button2 for me.  compiz :)
[20:37] <mongy> who is the person running the g+ xubuntu page anyhow?
[20:39] <mongy> martinphone: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Zukitwo-Colors+Xfwm+Themes?content=148624  has a nice theme with a little more grab
[20:52] <knome> mongy, we have pleia2 in the admins :)
[22:12] <yjacket> I just installed xubuntu 11.10 from a disk to a hdd , and when I boot from the hard drive, I'm not getting to the GUI- its stuck on the console/loading screen
[22:14] <yjacket> I see "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth", then later it said " * Checking battery stats..." - is it just loading extremely slow?
[22:14] <babble> are you stuck on a blue loading screen?
[22:15] <yjacket> no, I got it to load into the GUI once (after hanging at console and restarting a few times), installed 250 mb of updates, restarted, and is hanging again
[22:15] <babble> yjacket: can you get a text login prompt if you do ctrl-alt-f1?
[22:15] <yjacket> babble: ill try that now...
[22:16] <babble> don't keep rebooting it
[22:16] <babble> we need to figure out why xfce isn't starting (it's likely loaded to the console, just xfce hasn't started for one reason or another.
[22:17] <yjacket> nope, Ctrl-Alt-F1 did not work, and it said "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth", then "mountall: Plymouth command failed" three times, and "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth" again
[22:18] <yjacket> babble: do you need to know the other stuff above that?
[22:18] <babble> Plymouth is the loading screen you should see when it switches to a framebuffer screen (i.e. a graphics enabled session, not a text bootup)
[22:18] <babble> Let's make sure you're doing exactly what I think:
[22:19] <babble> hold down *all three keys* simultaneously.
[22:19] <babble> hold down ctrl, then keep holding ctrl, and add alt. With both of those pressed, add f1.
[22:19] <martinphone> is there any shortcut to safely remove plugged in HDD?
[22:20] <martinphone> I do have to use nautilus to do so
[22:20] <martinphone> file manager alone wont do it
[22:20] <yjacket> babble: shit... wrong key board... it doesn't help that I have to switch between VGA and DVI inputs on my monitor... >_<
[22:20] <babble> no worries.
[22:21] <babble> do ctrl-alt-f1 and you should see a console login.
[22:21] <babble> once we can get into the console, we can kill the gui session and try to restart it and see what it complains about
[22:21] <yjacket> yeah, im at a login prompt... i was actually going to remove the monitors and just use it as a server later, so its fine if the GUI doesn't work,
[22:21] <yjacket> ahh ok
[22:21] <babble> log in with your user account
[22:21] <babble> (the one you made with the installer)
[22:23] <babble> once you get to a bash prompt ($) let me know.
[22:24] <yjacket> yeah, i got in, but i saw a message before that... <something about my computer's name>"[drm:drm_crtc_helper_set_config] *ERROR* failed to set mode on [CRTC:6]"
[22:24] <babble> let's not worry about that for now. at your prompt, do:
[22:24] <babble> sudo service lightdm stop
[22:25] <babble> (it sounds like it's not able to figure out your screen geometry when it's trying to start an x session, but we'll see what it says)
[22:26] <yjacket> "Unknown instance""
[22:26] <babble> okay, so lightdm isn't starting.
[22:26] <babble> at the prompt, try:
[22:26] <babble> startxfce4
[22:26] <babble> it will give you an error, but we need to see what it's says
[22:27] <yjacket> now a gui just popped up :/
[22:27] <babble> okay, so it's a lightdm issue.
[22:28] <babble> log out of that x session
[22:28] <babble> when you're back at a console prompt, let me know.
[22:29] <yjacket> alright, back to bash
[22:29] <babble> let's try purging and reinstalling lightdm, and it should set lightdm back up with a fresh config. do:
[22:29] <babble> sudo apt-get purge lightdm && sudo apt-get install lightdm
[22:31] <yjacket> I only have 1 wifi usb dongle; I'll just try install on another hdd, i've had issues with this one, but I assumed it was window's fault...
[22:31] <yjacket> thanks for helping babble :)
[22:31] <babble> yjacket: are you thinking that's related to being unable to boot to the lightdm greeter? (Likely not)
[22:31] <babble> yjacket: no worries :)
[22:32] <babble> when lightdm finishes installing let me know
[22:32] <babble> brb
[22:32] <yjacket> i guess i'll try installing it, ill reconnect asap
[22:36] <yjacket_> alright, back babble, what should i try next?
[22:36] <yjacket_> I reinstalled lightdm
[22:37] <yjacket_> oh shoot, yjacket is still here...
[22:37] <babble> back
[22:37] <babble> sorry about that
[22:37] <babble> now let's try starting lightdm again. do:
[22:37] <babble> sudo service lightdm start
[22:38] <yjacket> I know have a very primitive looking gui up, with a wonderful solid pink bg xD
[22:39] <babble> that's certainly unusual.
[22:39] <babble> can you at least log in through the lightdm login greeter?
[22:40] <yjacket> yeah, i can login, but only XFCE session is listed as a login option
[22:40] <babble> it sounds like you have either a partial installation or a partially configured installation.
[22:40] <yjacket> I really do think this hdd has some issues...
[22:40] <babble> did you see any error messages about dpkg not able to finish something during the install?
[22:40] <GridCube> yjacket, you have broken video drivers
[22:41] <babble> GridCube: would that have anything to do with a missing Xubuntu session in LightDM?
[22:42] <yjacket> well, it doesn't matter, I want a gui so I can setup ssh and just configure it to do some server things from my main desktop
[22:42] <GridCube> it might
[22:42] <GridCube> yjacket, you could install gdm
[22:42] <babble> GridCube: Can you show me something I can read? I don't understand what the Xubuntu session setup would need for his particular video drivers that the Xfce session doesn't.
[22:42] <GridCube> sudo apt-get purge lightdm && sudo apt-get install gdm
[22:43] <GridCube> oh, if the dm is broken video drivers could not be involved
[22:43] <babble> that's what I was saying.
[22:44] <babble> if he's got an Xfce session, but not a Xubutu session, that sounds like an interrupted dpkg config, not necessarily broken video drivers.
[22:44] <babble> video drivers could ALSO be broken, but that's likely because dpkg is partially unconfigured systemwide.
[22:46] <brianmwaters> trying xubuntu; there is some functionality missing in 12.04 beta that is present in debian wheezy; was wondering if anyone had any insight on that.
[22:46] <brianmwaters> for one thing, (and i have seen this in other ubuntus too), when you get rid of pulseaudio, xfce4-volumed stops working. (both w/ or w/o gstreamer0.10-alsa installed; it's a requirement for that functionality in wheezy.) any ideas on how the wheezy and ubuntu packages for xfce4-volumed differ, and what would be required to restore that functionality?
[22:47] <brianmwaters> the other problem has to do w/ the parole system tray icon; but volume control is more important for me
[22:48] <babble> brianmwaters: I have a pair of launchers in one of my panels that kills the volume daemon, switches my xfconf setup and starts it again. You can do the same thing, if you just have the one card, for those instances when pulse hangs and you want to kill it
[22:49] <babble> (I'm switching the active card property for a headset, but it may work around your pulse/volumed issue even if you just keep it set to the same card as your output)
[22:49] <brianmwaters> okay i'll take a look in the settings editor; thanks
[22:50] <babble> brian: 1 min.
[22:50] <GridCube> Pulseaudio has a gazillion more configurations than alsa, thats why it was decided to be the default for 12.04
[22:50] <GridCube> but i guess you can add a new volume control for alsa
[22:51] <GridCube> if you dont have the panel item you might have to install it with the xfce-goodies
[22:51] <babble> brianmwaters: Here's the xfconf-query script I'm using:
[22:51] <babble> http://paste.ubuntu.com/930230/
[22:52] <brianmwaters> hm that will probably work as i have an hda card
[22:53] <brianmwaters> GridCube: that's one of the reasons i don't like it : )
[22:53] <yjacket> I wanted to quickly scan my hdd to see if there any issues, but i didn't see anything in the app menus about disk utility or scan...
[22:54] <GridCube> brianmwaters, but people usually comes here asking how to control to wich output a program can go, usually with hdmi
[22:54] <GridCube> pavucontrol is the answer to it
[22:54] <brianmwaters> yeah, i don't do anything that complicated
[22:54] <brianmwaters> i generally like to have the simplest system that will do the things i do
[22:55] <brianmwaters> plus pulseaudio always fixes my laptop's built-in subwoofer to 100%
[22:59] <brianmwaters> thanks babble, all i actually had to do was install xfce4-mixer and run it, and it set those settings automatically
[22:59] <brianmwaters> it actually didn't set active-card, but it seems to work nonetheless
[22:59] <brianmwaters> wow that is a major, long-standing ubuntu gripe of mine, all gone!
[23:02] <brianmwaters> the only other problem i've found is that the parole system tray icon doesn't show up, and as a result, parole shuts down when i hit the x button
[23:04] <GridCube> brianmwaters, ain't there a config option to "show icon in the tray area"?
[23:04] <brianmwaters> GridCube: the weird thing is, for all four of the default parole plugins, the "properties" tab is greyed out, and i know from wheezy that at least a few of them do have properties dialogs
[23:05] <GridCube> thats weird
[23:05] <brianmwaters> but actually, in this case, there is no systray icon at all
[23:05] <brianmwaters> yeah it is werid
[23:05] <brianmwaters> s/werid/weird
[23:05] <GridCube> let me check
[23:07] <martinphone> in a plurality of folders (file manager) I need to get rid of all files that start with member_. For that I have used catfish, that has listed all those files, but I dont know how to get rid of them
[23:08] <brianmwaters> martinphone: i could tell you how to do it w/ the shell
[23:08] <GridCube> martinphone, just use the select
[23:08] <GridCube> martinphone, press ctrl-s in thunar
[23:10] <GridCube> oh, you mean you need to do that to many folders
[23:10] <martinphone> is thunar = file manager
[23:10] <GridCube> you should use a script like brianmwaters suggests
[23:10] <brianmwaters> martinphone: yes, thunar is the file manager in xubuntu
[23:10] <GridCube> yes martinphone what brianmwaters said
[23:11] <brianmwaters> martinphone: let me whip one up, you should test it first thouh, i always test my one-liners before i run them on real data
[23:11] <GridCube> mmm i don't seem to have a working vm with 12.04 on it
[23:11] <GridCube> :(
[23:11] <GridCube> sorry brianmwaters
[23:12] <brianmwaters> GridCube: okay thanks for the help
[23:12] <GridCube> if you wait a few hours ill install today's ISO
[23:12] <GridCube> :P
[23:12] <brianmwaters> martinphone: is there any pattern to the names of the folders you have to work on?
[23:12] <brianmwaters> GridCube: don't sweat it, maybe i'll bring it up again a few months after 12.04 comes out
[23:13] <martinphone> brianmwaters, no
[23:13] <brianmwaters> how many folders are there
[23:13] <GridCube> brianmwaters, if you find it as a bug please report it
[23:13] <brianmwaters> GridCube: okay, good idea, since we're in beta
[23:13] <babble> brianmwaters: strange; I have the tray icon for parole enabled, but I'm also not getting a tray icon for it.
[23:13] <GridCube> :D
[23:13] <GridCube> BUG
[23:13] <brianmwaters> babble: ding ding! i guess we found a bug
[23:13] <babble> brianmwaters: but I'm in a dev build of xfce, and you're in 12.04, so take your pick. hehe. :)
[23:13] <GridCube> ITS A BUG
[23:13] <GridCube> :P
[23:14] <GridCube> >ubuntubug parole
[23:14] <martinphone> 18 folders
[23:14] <babble> probably, but given that you're in the Precise beta, and I'm in the Xfce 4.10 beta, well.
[23:14] <brianmwaters> babble: are you also getting the preferences buttons greyed out?
[23:14] <babble> No, I can open Preferences.
[23:14] <brianmwaters> martinphone: okay, i'm just going to give you a one-liner to run in each folder then
[23:14] <GridCube> martinphone, you need a script for that, i imagine one with find and rm
[23:14] <babble> If you want a tray icon for it, alltray should work.
[23:15] <babble> install alltray if you don't have it, then launch it through alltray and it will launch minimized in the notification area.
[23:15] <babble> i.e. alltray parole & disown
[23:15] <babble> or alltray parole in a launcher
[23:15] <brianmwaters> babble: what dev version of xfce are you on? 'cause 4.10 is in beta now, but that's totally different than 4.8, which is in 12.04
[23:15] <babble> I'm running a daily build of 4.10 from Xfce's git repo
[23:15] <brianmwaters> babble: never heard of alltray, but that sounds like an excellent program
[23:15] <jola> which *randr program do I need to install so that urandr works?
[23:15] <babble> alltray is keen :)
[23:15] <jola> currently it has no effect
[23:16] <GridCube> something like >> find /home/USER -name '!*' -exec rm {} \;
[23:16] <babble> it launches just about anything minimized to the notification area.
[23:16] <jola> (xrandr can't be installed)
[23:16] <GridCube> or maybe not
[23:16] <brianmwaters> babble: interesting.
[23:16] <jola> there are grandr, rand, and arandr
[23:16] <GridCube> jola, urandr, arandr, grandr are all frontends of xrandr
[23:16] <babble> install it and try it - it should be a workaround for Parole for you in the meantime.
[23:16] <babble> sudo apt-get install alltray
[23:16] <babble> then:
[23:16] <jola> GridCube, yes, but the frontend alone has no effect
[23:16] <babble> alltray <appname> in a launcher
[23:17] <GridCube> i dont understand jandrusk
[23:17] <jola> GridCube, and xrandr can't be installed. apt-get says it has been replaced by x11-xserver-utils
[23:17] <GridCube> s/ jandrusk / jola
[23:17] <GridCube> D:
[23:17] <GridCube> what?
[23:17] <jola> GridCube, Package xrandr is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[23:17] <jola> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. However the following packages replace it:  x11-xserver-utils
[23:17] <GridCube> O_o
[23:17] <GridCube> !info xrandr
[23:18] <jola> but there is no xrandr after installing that one
[23:18] <GridCube> !xrandr
[23:18] <jola> GridCube, so doing anything in Urandr has no effect
[23:18] <GridCube> jola, if you execute xrandr on a terminal, what happens?
[23:19] <brianmwaters> martinphone: sorry, i was distracted. run           rm `ls | grep ^member_`          in each of the folders you could automate the folders too, if you wanted too.
[23:19] <jola> GridCube, it runs o.O
[23:19] <GridCube> see
[23:19] <GridCube> use arandr jola its nicier
[23:19] <jola> GridCube, but why doesn't Urandr have any effect then?
[23:19] <GridCube> no idea
[23:20] <brianmwaters> martinphone: but, you know you could easily do it with any filemanager, right? all those files are next to one another, alphebetically, so you'd just navigate to the "m" section, select all the ones you wanna delete, and trash away
[23:20] <GridCube> but he has 18 folders
[23:20] <brianmwaters> elbow grease
[23:21] <GridCube> he could use find /path/to/files -name 'member_*' -exec rm {} \;
[23:21] <GridCube> :D
[23:21] <brianmwaters> GridCube: i like it, but can you lock that to the start of the line in the find regex language?
[23:21] <martinphone> what if I use brianmwaters command in the directory that contains the 18 directories? wouldnt that also work?
[23:21] <brianmwaters> martinphone: no
[23:22] <jola> GridCube, arandr works :D
[23:22] <martinphone> ok, it doesnt work for folders within folders
[23:22] <jola> thanks
[23:22] <GridCube> :D jola \o/
[23:22] <jola> GridCube, and now I want to have this setup by default on startup
[23:23] <martinphone> GridCube, find /home/clavius/downloads -name 'member_*' -exec rm {} \    <----?
[23:23] <martinphone> is ; part of the command?
[23:24] <GridCube> jola save it as a shell script and add it to your auto launch programs
[23:24] <brianmwaters> martinphone: you need the ;
[23:24] <GridCube> martinphone, yes
[23:24] <brianmwaters> martinphone: just beware of one thing:
[23:24] <martinphone> ok, give it a try
[23:24] <martinphone> listening
[23:24] <brianmwaters> it will delete any files that have "member_" in their name, not just files that start w/ it
[23:25] <martinphone> ok, thanks for making me notice that
[23:30] <brianmwaters> martinphone: did it work?
[23:31] <GridCube> brianmwaters, it turns out
[23:31] <GridCube> that you're wrong
[23:31] <GridCube> :P
[23:31] <brianmwaters> GridCube: well that's good
[23:31] <brianmwaters> GridCube: so then -name works more like shell globbing than a regular expression
[23:31] <GridCube> using >find -name "something*" will only choose files starting with something and then following by whatever
[23:31] <brianmwaters> GridCube: i see
[23:31] <GridCube> :P had to check
[23:31] <GridCube> XD
[23:32] <brianmwaters> well that's good to know
[23:32] <GridCube> using "*end" will choose files that end with end
[23:32] <brianmwaters> find is awesome, but i use it infrequently enough that i forget the details
[23:32] <brianmwaters> that's why i like grep and pipes
[23:33] <brianmwaters> oh man
[23:33] <GridCube> i don't usually use any of those :P
[23:33] <GridCube> i have to internet the stuffs
[23:33] <brianmwaters> then instead of rm `ls | grep ^member_` i could have just done rm `ls member_*`
[23:33] <brianmwaters> haha
[23:34] <brianmwaters> so many ways to do the same thig
[23:34] <martinphone> sorry, had to go for a glass of water
[23:34] <GridCube> or maybe, maybe, just maybe, > rm `ls /*/member_*`
[23:34] <martinphone> yes brianmwaters it worked
[23:35] <brianmwaters> GridCube: oh yeah, if they're all int the folders are in one super-folder
[23:35] <brianmwaters> martinphone: sweet thanks GridCube
[23:35] <GridCube> :P
[23:36] <brianmwaters> GridCube: i think my shell commands have been getting unnecessarily long lately, i have been using regexes way too much where globbing will work
[23:36] <GridCube> im in vindous now so i can't check
[23:38] <brianmwaters> okay question about xubuntu as a project:
[23:39] <brianmwaters> are the packages any different than the ones in the regular ubuntu repos? or is it just a separate installer, and a community that specializes in the xfce parts of ubuntu?
[23:39] <GridCube> nope
[23:39] <GridCube> they are the same
[23:39] <brianmwaters> ha
[23:39] <brianmwaters> okay gotcha
[23:39] <GridCube> xubuntu is an official ubuntu derivative
[23:39] <brianmwaters> so more like option 2
[23:39] <GridCube> as kubuntu, and lubuntu
[23:40] <GridCube> it means you can simply do a >sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[23:40] <GridCube> from any other of those and POW, you got xubuntu
[23:41] <brianmwaters> right
[23:43] <GridCube> ofcourse, in order for xubuntu to work among unity you migh need HOURS of work
[23:43] <GridCube> but thats more a fault of unity
[23:56] <brianmwaters> oh man, do i really need to install this apport program and do all this weird business just to report a bug, or is there a simple place where i can just type text
[23:56] <brianmwaters> and yes i know what kind of information is supposed to go into a bug report
[23:56] <babble> Let me see if there's a launchpad page for Parole.
[23:57] <babble> (there should be)
[23:57] <GridCube> brianmwaters, just type >ubuntubug parole
[23:57] <brianmwaters> sorry guys, coming from debian here
[23:57] <GridCube> oh
[23:57] <brianmwaters> GridCube: i don't have ubuntu-bug
[23:57] <brianmwaters> maybe i will try it
[23:57] <GridCube> then >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[23:58] <GridCube> and report it against parole
[23:58] <babble> Parole's Launchpad bugs page redirects to Xfce's bugzilla
[23:58] <GridCube> you "need" an account in lp
[23:58] <brianmwaters> yeah i made one, the "report bug" link sends you to a howto that requires apport
[23:59] <babble> if you want to file it with xfce, their bugzilla is here:
[23:59] <babble> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[23:59] <brianmwaters> not sure if it's an upstream problem. i think i'll just do it the ubuntu way