[01:10] <countfuzzball> Hey all, I'm running a standard ubuntu server base install and links is taking forever while it's 'looking up host'. How do I make it more speedy?
[01:23] <oldos2er> this channel
[01:23] <oldos2er> is quiet tonight
[02:07] <|Anthony|> what is the default firewall solution in precise?
[02:07] <|Anthony|> is it still ufw?
[02:10] <blami> |Anthony|: in beta it is ufw (but i've migrated to shorewall since i'm familiar with it)
[02:10] <|Anthony|> ah
[02:10] <|Anthony|> is ufw the planned firewall for final release?
[02:11] <|Anthony|> and i'm assuming that it is still disabled by default :/
[02:11] <blami> |Anthony|: i think it was disabled (allow all) when I installed 12.04
[02:12] <|Anthony|> that's the traditional setup with ubuntu
[02:12] <|Anthony|> always wondered about that
[02:12] <blami> |Anthony|: as 12.04 is my first ubuntu installation i didn't know and was surprised a little
[02:12] <|Anthony|> lol
[02:13] <|Anthony|> always seemed silly to me... firewall is installed but disabled by default
[02:13] <|Anthony|> w/e
[02:14] <blami> |Anthony|: fedora has very permissive set of default rules
[02:15] <|Anthony|> so does windows iirc
[02:15] <|Anthony|> lol
[02:15] <blami> |Anthony|: windows has also api for trojans to create new rules :)
[02:15] <|Anthony|> love it
[02:16] <jbuncher> Is there anyone in here who works on the python/numpy/scipy stack?
[02:30] <keithclark> Any ideas why www.skype.com will not work on any of my computers?
[03:01] <matt_> I'm having trouble accessing samba shares for the past few days, any idea what's wrong?
[03:13] <matt_> Recently, I've been unable to access Samba shares on 12.04, has anyone else had this issue and hopefully resolved it?
[03:56] <bouma> hello, i finally got beta2 to boot after going back to oneiric and running update-grub
[03:57] <bouma> now it lock up while the kernel is initalising hw
[03:57] <bouma> nouveau dosnt work. ive got a gtx550ti
[03:58] <bouma> im wondering what the best way to proceed would be? i guess disable nouveau at boot if possible?
[04:01] <snadge> you guys are on crack!
[04:01] <snadge> 173mb of updates.. i updated yesterday ffs :p
[04:06] <|Anthony|> bouma, what was happening when you tried to install beta2? What was the issue that caused you to go to oneric and updating from there?
[04:07] <bouma> |Anthony|: ive installed it about 5 times _every_ time at the end of the install it gave an 'error migrating data' ..
[04:07] <bouma> with and without network
[04:08] <bouma> btrfs gave a different wierd problem where i mounted the nonbooting install with another ubuntu and found a @/ dir and @home/ in the root
[04:08] <bouma> ext4 hasnt done this, the / looks ok, but grub install is being skipped or something, it seems
[04:08] <|Anthony|> i think that this might be above my pay grade
[04:09] <bouma> well im happy to repeat everything from an empty drive
[04:09] <|Anthony|> are you able to use the 12.04 live media?
[04:09] <bouma> ive got a 500gb drive just for this purpose
[04:10] <bouma> when i boot the live media with no intervention the screen goes blank and can be interacted with
[04:10] <|Anthony|> nomodeset?
[04:10] <bouma> when i add nomodeset ? i think (looking for the jot on a piece of paper) as a kernel param it loads the install
[04:11] <bouma> from then its ok, the browser and every app i could click on worked fine
[04:11] <|Anthony|> yeah, you might need to use nomodeset for the first boot and immediately install nvidia binary
[04:11] <bouma> including unity etc, although i miss the ability to hit flagkey- type some letters <return> and have it run the first result
[04:12] <|Anthony|> i had to do that here
[04:12] <bouma> you mean the first boot to the installed partition after the cd is finished
[04:12] <|Anthony|> this link is helpful iirc:
[04:12] <|Anthony|> http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/01/ubuntumaverick-blank-screen-problem.html
[04:13] <bouma> so is this an unrecognised bug
[04:13] <bouma> or what?
[04:13] <|Anthony|> idk :/
[04:14] <|Anthony|> but i know that the information contained in that link got me up and running
[04:39] <scar3crow> I want to change the icon next to my username from the boring "blank figure" there to my .face. how would I do that?
[04:51] <|Anthony|> scar3crow: not a specific answer, but i'll bet it's buried in there somewhere if you're brave
[04:51] <|Anthony|> http://people.ubuntu.com/~robert-ancell/lightdm/reference/
[04:53] <scar3crow> o.O
[05:32] <scientes> $ gnome-shell --replace & sleep 5 && metacity --replace
[05:32] <scientes> [1] 19989
[05:32] <scientes> Window manager warning: Log level 16: Unable to register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
[05:32] <scientes> Window manager warning: Log level 16: Error registering polkit authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject (polkit-error-quark 0)
[05:32] <scientes> [1]+  Segmentation fault      gnome-shell --replace
[05:32] <scientes> gnome-shell and unity broken with the new kernel
[05:32] <scientes> (for me)
[05:54] <mohan1> Does anyone have problem with the Animations add-on for compiz?  IT crashes top panel, launcher (And dash won't open too)
[05:54] <mohan1> I updated yesterday.. and this has started!
[06:07] <scientes> gnome-shell and unity wont launch, only gnome classic
[06:09] <stiltzkin> Hi folks...just installed Lubuntu 12.04 to disk to try it out, but it won't boot at all. GRUB installed fine, installation went fine, but when I select Ubuntu on the list it just sits there with a blinking cursor. Recovery mode does get me to terminal, but not to X or the login screen. Any ideas?
[06:12] <stiltzkin> If I choose "continue with graphical boot" it hangs after "Stopping System V runlevel compatibility." What's going on here?
[06:18] <BlakJak> anyone else experienced odd wifi problems with 1204?
[06:18] <stiltzkin> Any help much appreciated. I assume I'll just have to suck it up and reinstall.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> clarify the problem..
[06:18] <BlakJak> i have two machines, quite different in hardware terms, both experiencing dropouts in wifi, both running 12.04
[06:19] <BlakJak> one of which ive been using with 10.04/10.10 previously without a problem
[06:19] <BlakJak> the other is dualbooted windows/linux and windows is fine
[06:25] <y0om4> hi
[06:25] <bazhang> hi
[06:25] <y0om4> can i upgrade from oneiric to precise using commandline?
[06:25] <bazhang> yes
[06:27] <y0om4> how
[06:28] <bazhang> y0om4, you did not read the upgrade link?
[06:28] <y0om4> i do an apt-get upgrade and it does not show up
[06:28] <y0om4> yes
[06:28] <y0om4> it si not seeing that there is an update
[06:29] <bazhang> y0om4, what version are you on now
[06:29] <y0om4> oneiric
[06:29] <y0om4> 11.10
[06:29] <bazhang> y0om4, there wont be that kind of notification from the update manager until 12.04 is released
[06:29] <y0om4> how do i upgrade then
[06:30] <y0om4> if it is not shown
[06:30] <bazhang> ie on or around 4/26
[06:30] <bazhang> y0om4, to the beta? ie now?
[06:30] <y0om4> yes, i want to do the beta upgrade
[06:30] <y0om4> then I will upgrade again when it is release
[06:31] <y0om4> can i do that
[06:32] <y0om4> i cannot do it or what
[06:32] <tehowe> If you install the beta you're on a certain set of repositories.. perhaps there's a way of replacing all the Oneric repos with Precise ones though I can't say for sure
[06:34] <y0om4> the url in the topic says that 12.04 LTS shoudl pop up in update-manager-d
[06:35] <bluefrog> when it will be released
[06:35] <tehowe> > < bazhang> ie on or around 4/26
[06:35] <bluefrog> not when it's in beta
[06:35] <scar3crow> and it doesn't?
[06:35] <y0om4> okay
[06:35] <y0om4> well how do i upgrade to the beta version
[06:35] <y0om4> i don't understand
[06:36] <bluefrog> y0om4, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/upgrade
[06:37] <y0om4> dude
[06:37] <y0om4> i am telling you that 12.04 does not show up
[06:37] <y0om4> i am running 11.10
[06:37] <y0om4> i want to upgrade to beta
[06:37] <scientes> gnome-shell and unity wont launch, only gnome classic
[06:38] <y0om4> how do i make sure i am running 11.10?
[06:39] <tehowe> y0om4, it won't show up from Oneiric until release date - your option IIRC is to save off home and do a fresh beta2 install - voila, you're running Precise
[06:39] <y0om4> okay
[06:39] <y0om4> then i would lose my files, right?
[06:39] <tehowe> Not if you've saved off /home
[06:40] <Dr-Willis> Backup your home dir and any other imporntant stuff..
[06:40] <bluefrog> can upgrade if you want
[06:40] <Dr-Willis> thats a good idea to backup in any case. :)
[06:40] <y0om4> i will just wait until later this month then
[06:41] <scar3crow> sudo do-release-upgrade –d
[06:41] <tehowe> Do you really want to be dloading gbytes every day for bugfixes anyways? By this point you may as well wait the couple extra weeks until it goes stable
[06:42] <y0om4> the final will be released later this month?
[06:44] <tehowe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[06:46] <y0om4> what does lts mean?
[06:46] <Dr-Willis> !lts
[06:47] <y0om4> how come websites say how to install 12.04 and they say that they installed the LTS version back last winter?
[06:48] <Dr-Willis> 11.04 is the last LTS release
[06:48] <Dr-Willis> or was it 10.04.. i forget. :)
[06:48] <Dr-Willis> I dont worry about lts.
[06:50] <tehowe> 10.04 ... 12.04 ... see if you can pick out the pattern. 12.04 is going to be supported with free bugfixes for like 5 years or something when it drops
[06:50] <cccangel> hey guys, I have been using ubuntu over the course of the last couple of years more heavily but I do not remember sound quality of a mic because i typically was running ubuntu on a desktop.  I have ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop and I have looked at multiple ways of reducing that horrible static noise a minimal and having my voice record loud enough at the same time.
[06:50] <cccangel> i tried playing around in alsamixer just now... and it really didnt help.
[06:51] <cccangel> and like other people on the forums, its not a hardware problem for windows doesn't have this
[06:52] <tehowe> IIRC sound ppl can be found around #ubuntustudio channel... as general rule of thumb, get your input as loud as can be without overdriving preamp
[06:53] <cccangel> yeah i tried that.... and it made me really quiet even though the mic was at 100%... so join #ubuntustudio instead?
[06:54] <tehowe> It's a variant distro of Ubuntu designed for sound, yeah
[06:54] <cccangel> oh wow... hopefully their packages are designed to be downloaded into a pre-existing ubuntu... ill go ask .
[06:55] <tehowe> I'm actually tracking that myself... instructions aren't updated yet but for preview see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[06:58] <cccangel> oh really? ill look at the page.
[06:58] <cccangel> im just getting sick of pigy backing off of windows drivers for where i have trouble doing it in ubuntu...
[06:58] <cccangel> i want to do this change before win8 comes out and making windows 7 obselete...
[07:00] <tehowe> Yeah, why pay for a whole new ride on Windows. The basic idea is, there will be a PPA for a realtime or low latency kernel, and some meta-packages for the different UbuntuStudio features eg, Video/Audio/Animation
[07:01] <cccangel> tehowe, do you recommend me using the ubuntustudio-desktop or is there a way to integrate all with unity without the applications having dependency problems?
[07:01] <tehowe> A major piece fo the puzzle will be an pdate to 'Ardour' that will allow MIDI+ multitrack audio recording in the same program, giving Ubuntu users something to compete with eg; Nuendo
[07:01] <cccangel> true.
[07:01] <scar3crow> I suppose I have to wait for the server image?
[07:02] <tehowe> cccangel: I'd like to see the updated instructions so I can test that myself - I'm in the same poitions as you. UbuntuStudio uses XFCE natively rather than Unity
[07:03] <cccangel> it looks like they replace it on your ubuntu installation and this 12.04 already in beta ... i might run the risk of breeaking packages.
[07:03] <cccangel> lawl... maybe i should rollback for now.
[07:03] <tehowe> Or try latest UBuStudio daily package in VirtualBox
[07:04] <tehowe> NM that would suck for latency
[07:04] <cccangel> yes big time
[07:04] <cccangel> like some, i stick with my dual core processor...
[07:04] <cccangel> no need for an "overpowered" computer
[07:05] <tehowe> It's just audio for cyring out loud... so I'm rooting for that project myself, hope it works out :)
[07:05] <cccangel> i guess i can just dual boot this for now
[07:06] <y0om4> after 12.10 gets released, how come 12.04 will still be updated instead of making people upgrade to 12.10?
[07:06] <y0om4> would there be a benefit to keeping the 12.04 over the 12.10?
[07:07] <valdur55> y0om4, 12.04 is LTS version.
[07:07] <cccangel> y0om4, its the difference between wanting bleeding edge updates over stability updates
[07:08] <scar3crow> 12.04 will be the first LTS i stick with ;)
[07:08] <tehowe> 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 all would be more focussed on trying new stuff rather than having arrived at a safe, stable point... look up Debian stable releases on Wikipedia eg to get an idea of how the Ubuntu release schedule relates to Debian stable
[07:09] <cccangel> i tehowe , thats what i thought each LTS cycle is in close cycle with Debian cycle?
[07:09] <tehowe> And then you can jump to 14.04 in a couple years once the bugs are worked out of the next major visionary leap in Ubuntu... I'm saying 3D desktop :)
[07:10] <scar3crow> any way to install vuze without open source java?
[07:10] <Dr-Willis> install the closed source java?
[07:10] <cccangel> hmm... tehowe ... ubuntu studio team doesn't recommend 11.10 because of unforseen team problems?
[07:10] <scar3crow> done.... still installs icedtea
[07:11] <Dr-Willis> You did it wrong then i guess. :)
[07:11] <Dr-Willis> !java
[07:11] <tehowe> cccangel: They hand't completed transition to XFCE and a bunch of developers left the project]
[07:11] <scar3crow> :P
[07:11] <cccangel> ... thats enough to convince me to get the last release then...
[07:12] <cccangel> i may end up learning XFCE or something so i can start contributing to these projects
[07:12] <cccangel> ive been wanting to major in software programming for a while...
[07:13] <tehowe> cccangel: There is an ubuntustudio dev channel, can't remember exactly where it is... but they say they should be ready for a new release when 12.04 drops. All moving parts moving in harmony
[07:13] <cccangel> ubuntustudio-dev ?
[07:13] <micahg> #ubuntustudio-devel
[07:14] <scar3crow> hmph.... or sure now it installs
[07:15] <cccangel> i was going to stick with LTS 10.04 ... but... out of the box back then drivers were so much plug-n-play ready... it took more effort.
[07:15] <tehowe> I'll be a willing guinea-pig for trying Studio out on an UNity/Cinnamon/Gnome system and XFCE if I can install it as well - why not have them all :D
[07:15] <cccangel> exactly :)
[07:16] <cccangel> i have no problem dual booting distros... i just have a problem liscening software...
[07:16] <cccangel> well just to microsoft
[07:16] <cccangel> i have no problem liscening wow
[07:16] <tehowe> Though Cinnamon PPA hasn't been working on my netbook for a while now... wuh-wuh-wuh
[07:16] <cccangel> meh
[07:17] <cccangel> torrent ftw
[07:18] <cccangel> i actually debated with multiple people in my area that play games that use torrents to download like 10 GB games along with downloading dvd images of distros... since puts less strains on servers and also ends up being faster.
[07:19] <cccangel> this whole thing about controlling p2p is crazy.
[07:19] <cccangel> Blizzard uses p2p technology
[07:19] <vooze> Anyone running Gnome Shell in 12.04? In 11.10 there was a lot of bugs (like filezilla not being able to drag and drop) anyone know if such issues have been solved?
[07:19] <tehowe> I noticed that desktop ISO doesn't give you choice of adding Ubuntu to [Windows Drive 1] or [unallocated Drive 2] it just installs to 2, so anyone wanting a neutral data drive's got to unplug it to defeat braindead Ubiquity logic and get Windows and Ubuntu to play nice on the same physical drive
[07:19] <cccangel> and a lot of f2p
[07:20] <cccangel> meh... i do advanced settings
[07:20] <cccangel> install windows to a mini partition of like 80 GB and allocate the rest for distros
[07:20] <cccangel> all manually
[07:20] <cccangel> and i have them all share the one swap partition
[07:20] <cccangel> brb
[07:21] <tehowe> Yeah, but there's a sweet spot between that and the choices offered to new users - skipping drive A in favour of drive B dumbs it down a bit too much IMHO
[07:22] <cccangel> true.
[07:22] <cccangel> thats why i actually am trying to start back up Ubuntu community in my area... it died... and i am starting at my college campus
[07:23] <cccangel> going to show people comparisons between ubuntu and windows by running windows in virtual box
[07:23] <cccangel> and i will be showing off Ubuntu 12.04
[07:23] <cccangel> the speech is actually on the day it launches i think
[07:24] <cccangel> ubuntu 12.04 scheduled to released April 28 right?
[07:24] <tehowe> I don't even think there's an LTS party planned in Toronto... they've got it set up for Waterloo (techtown) but not here... sad... too n00bish myself to get such a thing rolling.
[07:24] <cccangel> with seeing microsofts move on the industry over the past couple years...
[07:24] <cccangel> and what they did to android
[07:25] <cccangel> i cannot go into the industry thinking I want to continue advocating their business model
[07:25] <vooze> Anyone running Gnome shell in 12.04? I want to hear about bugs etc. before i switch from linux mint or Arch linux.
[07:25] <cccangel> ill go into #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:26] <tehowe> Precise is coming along at a good time when Vista, etc. are coming off free support and other ppl are probably wondering about 'upgrading' to Win 8. So use that yeah
[07:26] <scar3crow> vooze: no probs here
[07:26] <vooze> scar3crow: do you use filezilla perhaps?
[07:26] <cccangel> tehowe are you a moderator in here? its hard to tell...
[07:26] <scar3crow> I do indeed
[07:27] <vooze> can you drag and drop ? Because that was a bug in 11.10
[07:27] <tehowe> Heh no I've just had a burst of helpful energy
[07:27] <cccangel> since its dead enough... can we talk offtopic in here or no?
[07:27] <scar3crow> dunno, haven't tried... 1 shake
[07:29] <scar3crow> drag & drop works just fine
[07:29] <cccangel> where can i find canocical's calendar?
[07:30] <vooze> scar3crow: ah nice, thank you. You can see here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/filezilla/+bug/858146 old bug..
[07:30] <tehowe> Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases ?
[07:31] <cccangel> oh swwet... April 26, so basically two days to push out updates just in case anything breaks with upgrades which most likely wont happen.
[07:33] <tehowe> So you folks know Canonical just put out word for hiring Smartphone division chief? I'm not upgrading my N900 until Tizen or Canonical puts out a phone now :D
[07:33] <tehowe> Lunuxfon FTW
[07:33] <scar3crow> nice
[07:34] <cccangel> tehowe, one thing i don't like is they are putting their OS on a device that microsoft has been goign after smart phone companies to collect royalties off the android
[07:35] <cccangel> i would be happier if they made a complete OS replacement for the android ... or something.
[07:35] <cccangel> i was actually willing to buy a USA made Caconical smartphone...
[07:38] <richardlxc> when will ubuntu smartphone be made ?
[07:39] <cccangel> from what i read, they wont have anyone make hardware for them. they are making ubuntu for android.
[07:39] <scar3crow> already done ;)
[07:40] <richardlxc> really?
[07:40] <richardlxc> very exciting news:)
[07:41] <cccangel> scar3crow, what you mean already done? (http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android)
[07:42] <cccangel> it doesn't show anything saying this project is released to the public yet as far I know.
[07:43] <scar3crow> saw it somewhere
[07:43] <scar3crow> thinking, maybe not.... meh
[07:44] <cccangel> ill end up having to buy a new android phone ... hopefully metropcs starts getting enough customers in southern usa to get more attention from phone companies to get some more decent phones made...
[07:44] <sin-bad> Hi. I'm tryig get quicktime support in firefox to work on precise. I've installed ubuntu-restricted-extras but still no joy.
[07:45] <sin-bad> Is this the right place to ask for help?
[07:46] <cccangel> yes it is
[07:46] <cccangel> ill have to research it i was waiting for somone who might know your answer immediatly
[07:47] <cccangel> i dont know a website that uses quicktime anymore
[07:47] <sin-bad> www.apple.com/trailers
[07:49] <cccangel> huh fifgured as much.  i just went to the website and it worked immediatly...
[07:49] <cccangel> let me see if i can figure out what i did
[07:49] <scar3crow> same results
[07:49] <scar3crow> libquicktime...\
[07:50] <ferni> hmm.. works for me also
[07:50] <cccangel> wait whart, your trying to install a different quicktime instead?
[07:51] <sin-bad> No I get the message saying I need quicktime installed when I try to watch a trailer
[07:51] <cccangel> ?
[07:52] <scar3crow> firefox?
[07:52] <sin-bad> I'm just trying to get it working. I installed libquicktime but no joy. Firefox, yes
[07:52] <cccangel> okay... so i go to http://trailers.apple.com . tell me what your doing and whats no joy.. no happy go go.
[07:52] <cccangel> so i can see whats up.
[07:53] <sin-bad> Ok,so I browse to http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/looper/, click watch now, select 480p
[07:53] <scar3crow> try installing vlc
[07:54] <scar3crow> that decodes just about everything
[07:54] <OffGridOps> 12.04 New Install:  Running Ubuntu Tweak and cannot change Login Screen.  Is there another program which can?  Thanx
[07:54] <sin-bad> I get a grey box saying "Get quicktime" and a link to the installation page
[07:55] <cccangel> sin-bad, works for me.
[07:55] <cccangel> oh...
[07:55] <cccangel> wait i think i know...
[07:55] <sin-bad> I have vlc installed and have it working on Onieric machines in the house. just can't get it working on my precise laptop
[07:55] <scar3crow> boo
[07:55] <cccangel> I had to do this today to play a dvd...
[07:55] <cccangel> type
[07:56] <cccangel>  sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[07:56] <cccangel> or copy and paste... then restart firefox and see if that helps.
[07:56] <cccangel> if not ill see what else i installed today .
[07:58] <sin-bad> I ran the script but still don't have Quicktime support.
[07:59] <sin-bad> I have the VLC Web Plugin installed in firefox (mozzilla-plugin-vlc package) as well
[08:00] <sin-bad> My mistake it is browser-plugin-vlc. I'll try removing it. Then reinstalling it.
[08:01] <scar3crow> just remove it, methinks
[08:03] <sin-bad> Ok removed and firefox restarted but still no Quicktime.
[08:03] <scar3crow> boo
[08:03] <scar3crow> I'm stumped... those packages should work
[08:03] <sin-bad> yeah I know :) I can usually get this working on older versions of ubuntu
[08:04] <cccangel> i got it working today
[08:04] <cccangel> but i also installed a lot of restricted repos too
[08:04] <cccangel> is there a way to see history with apt-get and software center?
[08:06] <sin-bad> Yeah. /var/log/apt/history.log has all the commands and packages you've installed
[08:07] <cccangel> okay... what it is.. pastebin..
[08:08] <cccangel> this is when i installed quicktime today...
[08:08] <cccangel> http://pastebin.com/taQUpf3q
[08:09] <cccangel> and then I installed some stuff tonight to watch encrypted content (netflix dvd)... http://pastebin.com/2Z7gSXr2
[08:10] <cccangel> for all i know something i installed this evening since i dont typically see webpages using quicktime much other than quicktimes website, i dont know...
[08:10] <cccangel> i guess I could remove all of that.
[08:10] <cccangel> here ill do that.
[08:10] <scar3crow> lol
[08:14] <sin-bad> cccangel don't break your machine. I have libquicktime2 installed. It's like the browser doesn't know the lib is installed.
[08:17] <scar3crow> rename /.mozilla and regenerate the folder.... (you can always change back)
[08:17] <scar3crow> just a thought
[08:17] <scar3crow> I have done that
[08:18] <cccangel> i want like time-machine where i can batch remove things i install...
[08:18] <cccangel> without having to individually look through synaptic
[08:18] <scar3crow> then install with scripts ;)
[08:18] <cccangel> mer...
[08:18] <cccangel> lol
[08:19] <cccangel> i dont know how i installed.. it says automatic
[08:19] <scar3crow> I'll slit my wrists, now
[08:19] <sin-bad> Ok I'll try renaming the .mozilla folder
[08:19] <scar3crow> it cant hurt
[08:20] <cccangel> scar3crow, want to go to greenoaks? its located nearby here... hopefully you can get there fast enough...
[08:20] <sin-bad> Got it! It wasn't the .mozila folder at all...
[08:21] <scar3crow> do tell
[08:21] <sin-bad> I installed the gecko-mediaplayer package which I think links firefox with mplayer whcih can play Quicktime
[08:21] <cccangel> oh yes
[08:22] <cccangel> i noticed i was able to play the quicktime videos in mplayer by right clicking and selecting an option
[08:22] <cccangel> didn't know that meant anything... but it was cool.
[08:23] <scar3crow> mplayer :(
[08:23] <sin-bad> I have trailers with sound playing which is great. I don't have the option to play in mplayer even with that installed
[08:24] <sin-bad> I like vlc much better than mplayer for movies but I'm happy to have both installed to watch trailers
[08:24] <scar3crow> totem has come a long way, too
[08:24] <cccangel> well for me it says "Open with "Movie Player""
[08:24] <scar3crow> personally, I'm a vlc guy
[08:24] <cccangel> oh wait
[08:24] <cccangel> its actually opening in Totem.
[08:25] <sin-bad> That for your help cccangel and scar3crow. I'm really pleased to get this working. I've been at it for a few hours now.
[08:25] <scar3crow> I dinna do nuthin
[08:25] <cccangel> did you see a package i had installed?
[08:26] <sin-bad> no I was searching for plugins with sudo apt-cache search .*firefox.*mplayer.*
[08:26] <sin-bad> and when it came up I figured that might be the missing piece
[08:27] <cccangel> ah
[08:28] <cccangel> by the way, about my audio issue, the person in ubuntustudio said they pretty much the same stuff that ubuntu uses for audio recording from a mic.
[08:28] <sin-bad> Thanks again for your help. Ahh, now I can put the computer away and go have breakfast :)
[08:28] <cccangel> so i dont know... i really hate using my big headset for a video
[08:29] <cccangel> lol... can i like force load the opensource drivers for the headset to load for the internal mic to see if it has filters that the internal mic driver doesnt have?
[08:29] <cccangel> brb
[08:31] <Whoopie> Hi, I'm facing an issue with gnome3 classic. When watching a Flash video in fullscreen or putting virtualbox in fullscreen mode, the gnome-panel top and bottom bars are not hidden. It works with unity and gnome-shell. Any idea?
[08:32] <cvr> Whoopie: are u using compiz or no compiz?
[08:32] <Whoopie> cvr: compiz
[08:33] <cvr> Whoopie: i think there is a setting in the compiz settings thing about fullscreen video
[08:36] <Whoopie> cvr: it's the "legacy fullscreen support", but there's no change in behaviour. Just checking with metacity.
[08:38] <Whoopie> cvr: metacity works.
[08:38] <petsounds> trying precise on eee pc, three fingers tapping (middle click) isn't working. is this a known issue? also any workaround?
[08:39] <petsounds> elantech touchpad
[08:39] <cccangel> aHH! fancy multitouch ...
[08:40] <cccangel> i have a hard time when i accidentally two touch the touchpad creating a wierd result
[08:40] <cvr> Whoopie: yeh I remember the problem when ubuntu was running on gnome2 and went to compiz metacity was fine and compiz would show the bars, thought it was that setting I had to change
[08:48] <scar3crow> idgames run better on ubuntu than on windows
[08:48] <scar3crow> in wubi no less
[08:55] <Whoopie> cvr: resetting the compiz settings helped. It's working now.
[08:56] <scar3crow> yay
[08:56] <cvr> Whoopie: nice one
[08:56] <scar3crow> I was having that prollem for the longest time
[08:57] <scar3crow> all my games wouldnt load on top of the panels :/
[09:14] <countfuzzball> Hey all, I'm running a standard ubuntu server base install and links is taking forever while it's 'looking up host'. How do I make it more speedy?
[09:18] <cccangel> i love seeing the terminal dance words to show everything I am installing and logging it... makes me feel like i know myself.
[09:19] <scar3crow> haha ccc
[09:20] <cccangel> oh yes... i just want to use my favorite text editor to learn C++...
[09:20] <cccangel> uhm.. unless gedit actually has error handling for such thing..
[09:20] <cccangel> which would be blantantly awesome
[09:23] <cccangel> meh.  im installing eclipse.
[09:23] <topyli> aren't gedit plugins pretty simple to make?
[09:50] <Manneveru> hi
[09:51] <Manneveru> my problem is that pangolin beta screwed upgrade an I left with broken libc6 package, so I finally got it purged from the system and now I am booted from DVD but I cannot install it again. The problem is that preinstall script cannot run (http://pastebin.com/LbkVYvfU) and I cannot override it. How to install libc6 on /mnt mounted root being on live DVD?
[10:35] <nonix4> Is dpkg --set-selections and/or apt-get dselect-upgrade supposed to be able to handle multiarch? On amd64 that combination seems to install some i386 things instead of amd64...
[10:37] <nonix4> (attempting to install rest of the (graphical) stuff that was installed on another precise installation on another box that was installed as text-mode system from altcd initially)
[10:41] <Manneveru> no one is able to help me
[10:42] <nonix4> Manneveru: ... with?
[10:43] <Manneveru> nonix4: installing libc6 on pangolin root mounet under /mnt from live cd
[10:43] <Manneveru> nonix4: mounted
[10:44] <Manneveru> nonix4: libc6 package were broken during system update
[10:44] <Manneveru> nonix4: i got in uninstalled but know I have a system without libc (unable to boot)
[10:46] <nonix4> well I've used schroot previously... but for that case I think you may need to use dpkg that resides outside chroot, that is dpkg --root=/mnt
[10:46] <bekks> Manneveru: You have to somehow unpach the contents, and copy them to your broken system - OR grab your backup and use it.
[10:47]  * nonix4 thinks reinstalling libc6 .deb with dpkg --root=/mnt should work
[10:48] <bekks> nonix4: At least thats worth giving a shot.
[10:49] <Manneveru> bekks: no backup :-( [lame I know] however if I am using --root or --instdir the instalation fails on preinstall script
[10:49] <Manneveru> nonix4: fails on preinstall script
[10:50] <bekks> Manneveru: Then you have an entirely broken system.
[10:50] <Manneveru> bekks: any chance to fix?
[10:50] <rymate1234> so
[10:50] <rymate1234> ubuntu 12.04 beta is quite stable
[10:50] <bekks> Time for backing up all valuable contents now, and reinstallation.
[10:51] <bekks> rymate1234: Thats a topic for #ubuntu+1
[10:51] <Manneveru> bekks: or reinstall with keeping existing partitioning? due to btrfs I have /boot sparately
[10:51] <vooze> How do i enter "Gsettings" to edit a gnome shell theme?
[10:52] <nonix4> Manneveru: hmm... actually may need to do a root-swap (bit like schroot) for it to work - pre/postinst scripts tend to expect normal locations for everything, so what you want is being inside chroot but running the dpkg binary from outside of it (--bind mounted to /mnt)
[10:52] <rymate1234> this is ubuntu+1 bekks
[10:52] <bekks> Manneveru: However, but reinstall :)
[10:52] <bekks> rymate1234: I'm sorry :)
[10:52] <rymate1234> lawl :P
[11:01] <nonix4> Manneveru: that --root expects to have pretty much everything mounted under the target tree though, including /{dev,proc,sys,run} etc...
[11:09] <nonix4> reinstall/cloning q: how to make dpkg --get-selections / set-selections actually result in same selected packages in the destination?
[11:10] <nonix4> (or what to use instead of those if those are not up to snuff)
[11:19] <Manneveru> hmmm...
[11:22] <Manneveru> bekks: does ubuntu installer allows me to install on existing partitioning? how to force that?
[11:23] <scar3crow> Manneveru: just don't format... but I don't suggest it
[11:24] <Manneveru> scar3crow: the installer is not obvious to me in many places I know that by default it partition it as it likes
[11:24] <Manneveru> scar3crow: I once tried to select option with my own partitioning but that somehow failed
[11:24] <scar3crow> try again
[11:25] <Manneveru> i do not want to spent again couple hours resizing partitions to fit /boot on ext2 at the beginning
[11:25] <albert23> Manneveru: if you still  want to try to rescue libc6, the instructions here are from a problem in hardy, but may still work for you: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-March/000401.html
[11:26] <nonix4> looks like I've hit bug #879324 :-/
[11:41] <countfuzzball> Hey all, I'm running a standard ubuntu server base install and links is taking forever while it's 'looking up host'. How do I make it more speedy?
[11:43] <penguin42> does it eventually get there?
[11:44] <countfuzzball> Yes, it does.
[11:44] <penguin42> does it get there fast if you use an IP rather than host name?
[11:45] <countfuzzball> I'll check
[11:45] <AlanMorgan__> Hello. I reported a bug that seems to have been fixed now, but it hasn't been marked as "Fix Released" (it's still on Confirmed). Would it be a faux pas for me to change it to Fix Released?
[11:45] <AlanMorgan__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/977134 that is the bug.
[11:45] <bekks> Manneveru: Your setup is broken - just reinstall including format, but without repartitiong your harddisk.
[11:45] <countfuzzball> Yeah, it does instantly, penguin42
[11:46] <countfuzzball> DNS look up problem then I guess?
[11:46] <penguin42> AlanMorgan__: Given it is listed as affecting someone else it's probably best to add a comment saying it's fine now for you, ask if the other person sees it anymore, give it a few day and if they don't reply then yeh mark it fix released with a comment saying you don't know what fixed it
[11:47] <penguin42> countfuzzball: Right, so do ping's and the like resolve quickly
[11:47] <AlanMorgan__> Thank you, penguin42. :)
[11:47] <countfuzzball> Yep they do, instantly. Even uncached ones that I haven't visited yet.
[11:47] <penguin42> hmph
[11:48] <penguin42> countfuzzball: odd, if I had to guess then I'd bet it's some type of IPv6 resolve weirdness
[11:48] <rymate1234> hey
[11:48] <countfuzzball> penguin42: Already disabled ipv6 stuff. Or at least /proc/sys/net/ipv6/all/disable_ipv6 now reads 1.
[11:49] <countfuzzball> :/
[11:49] <penguin42> countfuzzball: run a tcpdump while you start lynx and see what's going on?
[11:49] <lan3y> hi is there anyway to stop the hdd constantly spinning down? i've looked in the power settings but there is no setting, i remember there use to be an option in earlier versions of ubuntu
[11:50] <ferni> countfuzzball: do you have more than one nameserver listed from where it tries to resolve names?
[11:51] <lan3y> it's getting a bit ridiculous waiting for the hdd every couple of seconds
[11:51] <countfuzzball> ferni: /etc/resolv.conf only has 192.168.1.254, which is my router
[11:52] <penguin42> countfuzzball: It might be doing a AAAA resolve (over IPv4) and the router might just be dropping it or something similar - a tcpdump should show
[11:53] <somethinginteres> anyone having an issue with Nvidia drivers making the PC unusable. Slowed to a crawl with graphical glitches etc? Had to revert to open driver
[11:54] <countfuzzball> penguin42: well, there seems to be a line or two that says: AAAA? www.google.ie
[11:54] <nonix4> somethinginteres: just slower than pre-precise... open driver on the other hand spams my logs enough to fill /var and as such is unsuitable for me atm...
[11:55] <delac> using STA drivers from jockey for broadcom bcm4312. Drivers work right after installation, but get disabled on reboot. Problem is that ssb loads even when blacklisted which stops wl from loading. Any ideas?
[11:55] <penguin42> countfuzzball: Right so look at the tcpdump and the times - where is the gap?
[11:55] <somethinginteres> nonix4: in my case the top bar wouldn't draw icons. I could move mouse but not click anything. about 3-5min for a menu to finally pull down but only the blur of the menu as it tried to draw it on screen.
[11:56] <somethinginteres> nonix4: HDD load light wasn't active so it didn't appear to be HD stress. Loading a previous kernel (thus loading a new default xorg.conf) "fixed" the problem. ]
[11:56] <countfuzzball> penguin42: here's the output for the tcpdump: http://paste.ubuntu.com/930916/ First one is at 12:52:05. Next one is at 12:52:20
[11:58] <bouma> hello, beta is up and running. but i did need nouveau.nomodeset=0
[12:02] <penguin42> countfuzzball: Yes so I think it's still doing AAAA queries, and I don't see any responses to them so perhaps the router is just dropping them rather than doing something sane
[12:04] <countfuzzball> penguin42: is it possible to get the system to not send IPV6 AAAA queries to my router? The network I'm on is made of only 4 computers, so IPV6 locally here isn't needed.
[12:05] <penguin42> countfuzzball: Yeh I think it is, I can't quite remember the magic for it
[12:11] <CQ> hello, I just upgraded, and I can logn in, but get the desktop with no WM ... any ideas?
[12:13] <CQ> well, the terminal has a scrollbar on the right, but no title bar to drag and move it, and no way to resize... I'm using the gnome-fallbakc desktop
[12:21] <scar3crow> need a mythtv expert plz
[12:25] <somethinginteres> scar3crow: you want #mythtv-users
[12:25] <scar3crow> tyvm
[12:25] <somethinginteres> scar3crow: np
[12:43] <countfuzzball> Ok, so I've added my ISP's DNS nameservers to my /etc/resolv.conf and links2 looks up the host name instantly. My only concern is if I switch networks while on the move, will I experience slow downs due to looking up another ISP's nameservers?
[12:44] <kpow> countfuzzball, probably just a bit if the dns servers allow requests from the outside at all
[12:45] <rymate1234> hey all
[12:45] <kpow> countfuzzball, but dhclient sets it automatically anyway if u use dhcp on the move
[12:45] <rymate1234> I have a small issue
[12:45] <rymate1234> My scroll wheel has reversedd
[12:45] <rymate1234> scrolling up scrolls down
[12:45] <rymate1234> and scrolling down goes up
[12:45] <kpow> rymate1234, rotate your screen upside down then and it will be ok?
[12:46] <rymate1234> kpow: q_q
[12:47] <kpow> rymate1234, go to settings, mouse settings, reverse scroll directions (at least that's how it is on my kde)
[12:47] <ferni> countfuzzball: or you can use googles 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, works everywhere
[12:51] <ironm> hello. There is some regression with ubuntu-sever 12.04 due to VM insallations on XCP host (xen) from a local iso image file (compare to 11.10 where it works as expected)
[12:59] <o2simo20> does compiz run with unity on ubuntu 12?
[13:00] <Debro> yes
[13:00] <Debro> o2simo20, yes i have it.. dont now how.. :P
[13:01] <o2simo20> thnks
[13:01] <Debro> how i can run unity and gnome panel in the same time
[13:01] <o2simo20> and can i remove that weird side menu and just have a normal menu like in maverick 10.10?
[13:01] <o2simo20> like applications|places|system etc
[13:02] <o2simo20> or is that a lot of messin about?
[13:02] <RobinJ> Unity 3D won't work for me, and I'm trying to figure out why. But the Unity support test doesn't seem to be working either.
[13:02] <RobinJ> robin@robin-VirtualBox:~$ /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[13:02] <RobinJ> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
[13:02] <RobinJ> Error: GLX is not available on the system
[13:02] <RobinJ> Am I missing some kind of package?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> running ubuntu on a VB ?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> graphics driver most likely
[13:05] <RobinJ> BluesKaj, got the vbox guest additions installed
[13:06] <RobinJ> btw, is it still any use to report minor/papercut bugs for ubuntu 12.04?
[13:08] <RobinJ> derp
[13:09] <BluesKaj> RobinJ, have you enabled desktop effects/compiz or whatever they're called in unity
[13:09] <RobinJ> I can't
[13:11] <BluesKaj> RobinJ, then VB isn't the platform you want ...dual boot might be the best for you
[13:12] <RobinJ> ... djeez
[13:12] <RobinJ> I'm not goign to install beta software on a physical machine
[13:12] <RobinJ> and if it works for everyone else, then why doesn't it work for me?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> dunno , do you have the right graphics driver enabled , maybe the guest additions needs some configuring
[13:15] <BluesKaj> sao you install it in a VB where it's even less stable and less likely to work :)
[13:16] <RobinJ> yes
[13:16] <RobinJ> at leats there it can't harm my system
[13:16] <RobinJ> that's what virtualbox is made for
[13:16] <BluesKaj> I'm running 12.04 , with no probs
[13:17] <BluesKaj> but not unity
[13:17] <RobinJ> yeah, and i thought i was running 11.10 alpha, without too lmuch probs, until it decided to try and melt my laptop to a block of plastic
[13:17] <BluesKaj> kde 4.8.2 here and it's working great
[13:17] <BluesKaj> sure RobinJ  ... as if !
[13:18] <RobinJ> sigh
[13:18] <RobinJ> what a surprise
[13:18] <kpow> RobinJ, yea well im using dell v131 laptop and it does the same, no power management capabilities whatsoever
[13:19] <o2simo20> doesnt maverick 10.10 use gnome3 not gnome2?
[13:19] <RobinJ> BluesKaj, as you can see, not trolling
[13:19] <RobinJ> BluesKaj, if you still don't believe it: http://minus.com/mdRt76f6P/16
[13:20] <RobinJ> and the fact that a week later my laptop's battery died probably wasn't a coincidence either
[13:20] <RobinJ> so I'll stick with VirtualBox, if you don't mind ;)
[13:20] <BluesKaj> RobinJ, if your worried about probs why run it in the first place ,or run it on it's own partition so it's seperate from any other OS
[13:20] <RobinJ> "it's own partition", that won't stop the overheating
[13:21] <RobinJ> this is what virtualbox is made for
[13:21] <kpow> how well should ubuntu run on a laptop with only vt-x and no vt-d?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> so it doesn't overheat while on VB ?
[13:22] <kpow> BluesKaj, while on VB windows manages everything ubuntu just has a virtual environment to think it manages stuff
[13:22] <RobinJ> BlueSkaj, not as long as my host os isn't Ubuntu 11.10 Alpha ;)
[13:22] <RobinJ> or beta
[13:22] <RobinJ> or probably rc as well
[13:23] <RobinJ> but back to the point, how do i get this glx thingy working?
[13:23] <arianit> hifi, I'm trying to upgrade to 12.04 but update-manager -d doesn't find any new release.
[13:23] <kpow> RobinJ, do u remember what kernel caused ur overheating?
[13:23] <RobinJ> arianit, beacuse 12.04 isnt released yet? :p
[13:23] <BluesKaj> wel RobinJ , you're the first person to complain about overheating and battery power , that I've seen ...wonder if it an impropr setting
[13:23] <GirlyGirl> arianit: it isn't out yet
[13:24] <RobinJ> kpow, just a moment, i'll searcxh through my email for the bug report
[13:24] <kpow> RobinJ, ty
[13:24] <arianit> GirlyGirl, I know, Beta2
[13:24] <RobinJ> if my internet connection wants to cooperate...
[13:25] <ironhalik> hmm, how is it exactly with nouveau drivers in 12.04 and how current they are?
[13:25] <RobinJ> kpow, it happened with a certain range of kernels. everything above 2.6.35, but not anymore at 3.1 as far as i can see
[13:25] <RobinJ> and only when using nouveau drivers
[13:25] <ironhalik> and is it a good idea to install x updates ppa
[13:26] <kpow> RobinJ, ok thanks
[13:26] <BluesKaj> RobinJ, 11.10 alpha , why 11.10 ?
[13:26] <RobinJ> BlueSkaj because that was the current alpha version at the time...?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> updates/upgrades are obviously in order , no wonder you have probs , RobinJ
[13:27] <RobinJ> and will you look at that, hadn't noticed yet: "This bug affects you and 8 other people"
[13:27] <BluesKaj> you need to upgrade to full release of 11.10
[13:27] <kpow> RobinJ, from what i see on google its a kernel bug introduced in 2.6.38 up to 3.2 on vanilla kernels, with some differences in versions on different distros due to patches
[13:28] <RobinJ> not really a problem on 3.1 though
[13:28] <kpow> RobinJ, yea probably because 3.1 on ubuntu was patched against it, but it got to mainstream kernel onlu on 3.2
[13:29] <kpow> kpow, anyway, take it up with #kernel and try to sue linus for damages i guess
[13:29] <kpow> RobinJ, , anyway, take it up with #kernel and try to sue linus for damages i guess
[13:29] <RobinJ> kpow, i particularly like this comment someone made on the bug report: "The lack of community and developer support to tackle or even admit the existence of this problem has caused me to fear something is seriously amiss."
[13:29] <RobinJ> that's exactly what I experienced at the time as well
[13:30] <RobinJ> got kicked from every channel because they thought it was impossible and i was just trolling, at the time
[13:31] <RobinJ> the same thing just happened with BlueSkaj: "<BluesKaj> sure RobinJ  ... as if !". the problem is that people seem to be blinded by the fact that it's open-source or something, so in their eyes everything's perfect.
[13:31] <RobinJ> the arch linux channels are the worse i've seen so far, actually :p
[13:31] <kpow> Open source has no bugs! just misused features, stating otherwise is blasphemy
[13:32] <RobinJ> kpow, exactly like that :p
[13:32] <georgelappies> how can I disable the silent boot. i.e. I want to see the messages running up the screen of the system booting until X kicks in?
[13:33] <RobinJ> but back to the point, does anyone know how i can fix this?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> RobinJ, I can see why get kicked , deliberately misinterpreting what ppl tell you ...welll good luck with your 11.10 alpa ..and you expect it to be perfect ?
[13:34] <kpow> georgelappies, edit /etc/default/grub and remove quiet splash from cmd line
[13:34] <kpow> RobinJ, 11.10 final is fixed
[13:34] <RobinJ> "deliberately misinterpreting"? explain :p
[13:34] <kpow> RobinJ, apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:34] <RobinJ> kpow, yeah i know, have you looked at the date of the bug report? it's from a while ago
[13:35] <BluesKaj> RobinJ,"so in their eyes everything's perfect"
[13:35] <BluesKaj> I never said that
[13:35] <RobinJ> don't take everything literally
[13:35] <kpow> RobinJ, anyway im running 12.04 beta2 and i have no issues with temperatures except that as i said earlier, it doesn't support any power management capabilities of my laptop
[13:35] <RobinJ> can we finally get to the point.... -.-
[13:36] <RobinJ> kpow, i know, running it on my laptop as well. but i want to try out unity 3D, not the fallback thing
[13:36] <BluesKaj> no there's no point . you insist on running an old alpha release , this chat is for 12.04
[13:37] <Debolaz> I'm not sure if its specific to 12.04, but its the OS I'm using at the moment so I'll take the liberty of asking here: When I hold alt-shift, xev says its interpreted by the system as the meta key. Why is this?
[13:37] <RobinJ> .... are you even reading what i'm saying?
[13:37] <RobinJ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/858916 << BluesKaj, please read the date on that bug report for me ;)
[13:37] <RobinJ> this is NOT what i'm here about
[13:37] <kpow> RobinJ, as i said, the bug _should_ be fixed now, run 12.04 latest and watch temps for a while is my best advice, sorry i can't be more helpful than that
[13:37] <RobinJ> i'm here about a problem with ubuntu 12.04
[13:37] <RobinJ> djeez DUUUUUDEEEZ SCROLL UP
 robin@robin-VirtualBox:~$ /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
 Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
 Error: GLX is not available on the system
[13:38] <RobinJ> THIS is the problem
[13:38] <RobinJ> the 11.10 thing was something completely different
[13:39] <RobinJ> so does anyone know how to fix it?
[13:39] <kpow> RobinJ, nvidia right?
[13:39] <RobinJ> yeah, but in virtualbox
[13:40] <RobinJ> and don't tell me the card is incompatible with linux or something, because then i'm going mad. i was recommended this card in a linux channel :p
[13:40] <holstein> RobinJ: that doesnt matter... driver support can change
[13:41] <RobinJ> in a month time?
[13:41] <holstein> RobinJ: sure... in 4 seconds ;) ...update the kernel, and its broken :)
[13:41] <CQ> RobinJ have you tried asking in #vbox ? I thought that the display driver was virtualized in the guest system...
[13:41] <RobinJ> holstein, i thought this was ubuntu, not arch linux :p
[13:41] <holstein> anyways... *if* it did work, you should be able to make it work
[13:41] <holstein> RobinJ: the OS doesnt matter.. we are talking about hardware support
[13:41] <RobinJ> CQ, the GLX problem seems to have something to do with ubuntu, not virtualbox. don't you think? >.<
[13:42]  * BluesKaj invokes the ignore option
[13:42] <holstein> RobinJ: keep in mind, ubuntu/canonical is not doing anything to prevent your hardware from functioning
[13:42] <kpow> RobinJ, u seem to have a faulty library, follow the steps in: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741783
[13:42] <RobinJ> holstein, i hope so :p
[13:43] <yofel> just to make sure, GLX works fine on the host system?
[13:43] <CQ> RobinJ depends, in  the guest or in the host? if its in the guest, and the guest has a virtualized video driver, then thats probably different than when you're on a real video card
[13:43] <RobinJ> yofel, host system is windows
[13:43] <holstein> RobinJ: personally, i have had bad luck getting 3d to "forward" through to vbox guest... and i just use them without 3d
[13:44] <RobinJ> der....
[13:44] <RobinJ> kpow, stuck at the first step in #4
[13:44] <RobinJ> ldd: /usr/info/glxinfo: No such file or directory
[13:45] <yofel> IIRC I use 'virtualbox-guest-x11' to get 3D in my VM, but would have to start it to check
[13:45] <yofel> RobinJ: glxinfo is in mesa-utils
[13:48] <delac> using STA drivers from jockey for broadcom bcm4312. Drivers work right after installation, but get disabled on reboot. Problem is that ssb loads even when blacklisted which stops wl from loading. Any ideas?
[13:49] <kpow> delac, try lsmod, see who uses the ssb module, and blacklist it too
[13:50] <kpow> delac, just a thought
[13:50] <delac> kpow: must admit that I didnt thought that. going to check. thanks
[13:52] <delac> kpow: well, nothing seems to require ssb, so it's not that...
[13:53] <kpow> delac, so i'd move the module to /root for backup and run depmod -a again
[13:55] <delac> kpow: can you be more specific?
[13:56] <kpow> delac, cd /lib/modules/KERNEL_VERSION; find |grep ssb -- then move the file to /root, then run depmod -a and reboot, assuming you configured the correct module load
[13:57] <yofel> you can just use 'modinfo ssb' to find the filename
[13:58] <kpow> yofel, ty
[13:58] <lan3y> does anyone else have a rendering bug on the global menu in unity? the application titles have random pixels of green around some letters making it look very messy
[14:00] <lan3y> it only happens on my netbook so i'm guessing its the intel atom graphics, what little it has
[14:01] <delac> kpow: didn't try that yet. but my older installation, where the wlan does work, also seems to have the ssb.ko in the same location and everything works fine there. So I think there should be another way that removing it altogether...
[14:01] <kpow> lan3y, my suggestion is to try kubuntu to rule out unity bug
[14:02] <lan3y> i'm 99% sure it's unity, it's the only place the buggy rendering happens in the whole system (in the top bar)
[14:02] <RobinJ> kpow, no use... even glxinfo tells me it's missing the GLX extension
[14:04] <kpow> RobinJ, add nvidia drivers library to LD_LIBRARY_PATH then, should then appear correctly when u run ldd
[14:04] <RobinJ> ? the ldd command works fine
[14:05] <RobinJ> libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGL.so.1 (0x00007fcda5850000)
[14:05] <RobinJ>  << according to the forum post this is how it should be
[14:05] <yofel> RobinJ: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please?
[14:05] <yofel> so we see what driver is actually being used
[14:06] <RobinJ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/931100/
[14:07] <kpow> delac, see http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg351306.html   make sure you blacklisted the module properly
[14:08] <yofel> RobinJ: it's using the virtualbox driver as I would've expected. How did you install the nvidia driver?
[14:08] <RobinJ> ...?
[14:08] <RobinJ> I didn't
[14:09] <yofel> it loads the glx extension from nvidia though...
[14:09] <yofel> so it has to be installed
[14:09] <kpow> yofel, do u think it will work with nvidia driver at all with the VB abstraction layer in place? i dont think there's access to native card functionality from within VB
[14:09] <yofel> kpow: not sure, but I would agree that it's unlikely
[14:10] <yofel> but currently the VM uses the vbox driver with nvidia glx module
[14:10] <yofel> that really can't work
[14:11] <RobinJ> lol
[14:12] <RobinJ> ah whatever
[14:12] <RobinJ> screw it, i'll just start over
[14:12] <kpow> RobinJ, you can try 2 things
[14:12] <yofel> RobinJ: if you don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf remove any nvidia-current or nvidia-current-updates package
[14:12] <RobinJ> btw, does anyone know where i can finbd the "first run setup script" in ubuntu 4.10? :p
[14:13] <kpow> RobinJ, what yofel said is #1, then #2 is to configure X with nvidia drivers instead of VB drivers but i doubt it will work
[14:14] <RobinJ> i setup Xorg wrong in my 4.10 virtualbox >.<
[14:15] <RobinJ> WOOT
[14:15] <RobinJ> oh come on
[14:15] <RobinJ> sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current fixed the 12.04
[14:15] <delac> kpow: so, moving the ssb.ko and doing depmod -a didn't help. even the ssb still loads. the blacklisting is automatically done by the jockey in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-bcm43.conf and it seems to be ok (blacklist ssb).
[14:16] <RobinJ> thank you yofel :p
[14:19] <yofel> \o/
[14:23] <delac> is it possible that initramfs is bypassed on boot?
[14:23] <RobinJ> er.... can the OS even boot without it? :p
[14:25] <delac> RobinJ: well, I do not know, that's why I asked :)
[14:26] <sab0> I was trying to install it from terminal by using the command sudo apt-get install google-talkplugin_current_i386.....but giving me this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/931095/ ..can any one help please
[14:27] <sab0> i was asking help in ubuntu channel for this but no one could help me in last 2o minutes,hope here some body can help me
[14:27] <bazhang> sab0, you already got an annswer in #ubuntu
[14:27] <bazhang> sab0, dont crosspost in multiple channels
[14:27] <sab0> bazhang, NOP
 sab0: the package is google-talkplugin (no _i386)
[14:28] <sab0> bazhang, i got ans but not helpful,what can i do?
[14:28] <bazhang> sab0, what version of ubuntu are you on
[14:28] <sab0> bazhang, 10.04
[14:28] <bazhang> ...
[14:29] <bazhang> sab0, this is channel is for 12.04
[14:29] <sab0> bazhang, if you want check all the ans i got in ubuntu channel
[14:29] <bazhang> sab0, again, dont crosspost, dont post in the wrong channel either
[14:29] <RobinJ> 10.04? not 4.10? chame :p
[14:29] <RobinJ> *shame
[14:30] <sab0> bazhang, none of them were helpful,i know its for 12.04 but atleast i can ask help
[14:30] <bazhang> sab0, then be patient. dont post here unless you are on 12.04
[14:30] <RobinJ> sab0, yeah, and if it doesn't work out here you can always ask help in #windows or #gentoo as well =D
[14:30] <FernandoMiguel> is it possible to bond two types of diff interfaces? say a ppp0 and an eth?
[14:31] <rymate1234> hey
[14:31] <sab0> OK
[14:31] <rymate1234> I get an error when running jd-gui
[14:31] <edlik> please help. I upgraded to 12.04 and now I can not connect using my usb wifi adapter and have no wired connection at desktop, stuck using stupid windows
[14:32] <rymate1234> ./jd-gui: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:32] <rymate1234> any help?
[14:33] <FernandoMiguel> rymate1234: let me guess
[14:33] <FernandoMiguel> a 32bits app?
[14:33] <FernandoMiguel> try installing ibgtk-x11-2.0:i386 ?
[14:37] <rymate1234> E: Unable to locate package libgtk-x11-2.0:i386
[14:37] <rymate1234> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libgtk-x11-2.0'
[14:37] <FernandoMiguel> go up a level than
[14:37] <FernandoMiguel> !search  libgtk-x11
[14:37] <rymate1234> lawl
[14:38] <synapse> do I need to goto 10.10 before I can get to 12.04?
[14:38] <synapse> via update-manager
[14:38] <synapse> Im using 10.04 right now
[14:39] <rymate1234> I would recommend a clean install
[14:39] <FernandoMiguel> no
[14:39] <FernandoMiguel> hummm
[14:39] <FernandoMiguel> not sure !
[14:39] <FernandoMiguel> 11.10 goes directly
[14:39] <FernandoMiguel> I "think" other LTSs can jump directly too, but not sure
[14:39] <FernandoMiguel> worse case you have to go 10.10, 11.04, 11.10 and 12.04
[14:40] <FernandoMiguel> clean install of 12.04 takes 10 mins tops
[14:40] <synapse> I dont want to do a clean install
[14:40] <rymate1234> why?
[14:40] <FernandoMiguel> all those 4 upgrades takes an entire afternoon... if all goes well
[14:40] <synapse> uhh, because I have tons of stuff on here
[14:40] <rymate1234> synapse: uh, backup?
[14:40] <FernandoMiguel> synapse: dpkg --getselections > packages.txt
[14:40] <FernandoMiguel> then
[14:40] <synapse> personal files, whatnot
[14:40] <FernandoMiguel> synapse: dpkg --setselections < packages.txt
[14:41] <FernandoMiguel> apt-get -dselect
[14:41] <FernandoMiguel> and you are done
[14:41] <pangolin> just wait the two weeks and you won't need to do any magic
[14:41] <FernandoMiguel> brb... testing a bond
[14:41] <synapse> ok
[14:41] <FernandoMiguel> pangolin: ??
[14:41] <rymate1234> synapse: wait 2 weeks for release
[14:42] <pangolin> FernandoMiguel, if he waits two weeks for the official release he will be offered to upgrade to 12.04
[14:42] <nonix4> FernandoMiguel: bug #879324 breaks that procedure for me...
[14:42] <pangolin> LTS to LTS is supported
[14:43] <rymate1234> uh
[14:44] <rymate1234> wat about my error? :(
[14:45] <pangolin> doesn't seem that package exists in the ubuntu repos
[14:45] <rymate1234> wat
[14:45] <rymate1234> FACK
[14:45] <pangolin> what exactly caused this error to appear?
[14:45] <pangolin> no swearing please
[14:45] <pangolin> it doesn't help and hurts my eyes
[14:45] <gnomefreak> is the error on pastebin?
[14:45] <rymate1234> pangolin: I launched the application
[14:45] <pangolin> rymate1234, what application?
[14:45] <rymate1234> ./jd-gui: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <------ the error
[14:45] <gnomefreak> pangolin: he said fAck
[14:45] <rymate1234> pangolin: jd-gui
[14:46] <pangolin> gnomefreak, obfuscation is the same as typing it properly
[14:46] <pangolin> jd-gui is also not in the repos
[14:46] <gnomefreak> k
[14:46] <rymate1234> pangolin: I know that, I downloaded it
[14:47] <gnomefreak> ill be right back something just happened to irssi
[14:47] <pangolin> ok well, see if that site also has a download for the dependencies it requires
[14:48] <gnomefreak> that is really messed up. ok pangolin can you please repeat your last comment to me.
[14:48] <gnomefreak> that == terminal/irssi
[14:48] <pangolin> gnomefreak, obfuscation is the same as typing it properly
[14:48] <gnomefreak> it happening again damnit
[14:49] <pangolin> rymate1234, try installing libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2-0
[14:49] <gnomefreak> pangolin: k
[14:49] <nonix4> 17:47 < pangolin> ok well, see if that site also has a download for the dependencies it requires <-- if you can see that...
[14:49] <pangolin> gnomefreak, what is happening?
[14:50] <gnomefreak> the bottom line of irssi is rising up the terminal and the channel name is gone as well
[14:50] <gnomefreak> im getting "sh: 1: play: not found"
[14:50] <pangolin> hmm, not running irssi so i can't tell you if it is happening here also
[14:50] <rymate1234> lawl
[14:50] <nonix4> gnomefreak: something trying to play a sound effect?
[14:50] <gnomefreak> brb im going in #irssi to see if the know
[14:50] <gnomefreak> nonix4: nope no sound here
[14:51] <rymate1234> pangolin: didn't work
[14:51] <nonix4> irssi works fine for me... and doesn't play sound effects
[14:51] <gnomefreak> it seems to be dropping to bottom and rising again
[14:51] <nonix4> gnomefreak: you have anything else running in the xterm/whatever you're running the irssi inside?
[14:51] <pangolin> rymate1234, best advice I can give is see if the site has a forum or a channel on irc
[14:51] <rymate1234> ok
[14:51] <gnomefreak> nonix4: no
[14:51] <gnomefreak> hold on let me get a shot posted of the issue
[14:51] <nonix4> gnomefreak: temp workaround would be hitting ctrl-l
[14:52] <rymate1234> hmmm
[14:52] <rymate1234> if there isn't, I'll install wine q_q
[14:52] <gnomefreak> oh cool
[14:52] <gnomefreak> than what the hell is it?
[14:53] <nonix4> well if something is invoking "play", you could make a script named such that simply records who is calling it...
[14:54] <nonix4> #!/bin/sh   # newline    ps -f
[14:54] <nonix4> err, without "-", ps f  :)
[14:54] <rymate1234> yay
[14:55] <nonix4> possibly redirect it to file to avoid clutter in irssi window
[14:55] <gnomefreak> here is a screenshot http://imageshack.us/f/829/screenshotfrom201204151.png/ and no comments about the wallpaper :)
[15:04] <nonix4> gnomefreak: printf '#!/bin/sh\nps f >> ${HOME}/play.debug.txt\n' | sudo tee -a /usr/local/bin/play ; sudo chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/play
[15:05] <nonix4> on one line. That should stop your irssi screen corruption and log the reason for it in play.debug.txt
[15:05] <rymate1234> meh
[15:07] <gnomefreak> nonix4: run that in irssi or terminal or make it a bash script?
[15:07] <nonix4> run that in terminal, it creates a shell script in /usr/local/bin that will be invoked instead of printing that error message
[15:08] <gnomefreak> nonix4: thanks
[15:08] <nonix4> somewhere in the log file will be a line "\_ ps f", and the two lines above that will tell you what actually called that
[15:10] <gnomefreak> [sudo] password for gnomefreak:
[15:10] <gnomefreak> #!/bin/sh
[15:10] <gnomefreak> ps f >> ${HOME}/play.debug.txt
[15:10] <gnomefreak> :)
[15:10] <gnomefreak> nonix4: ok what log fine?
[15:11] <gnomefreak> i dont remember there being a *irssi.log
[15:11] <nonix4> play.debug.txt will appear in your homedir when you hit the scenario where the corruption would have occurred earlier
[15:12] <gnomefreak> nonix4: thanks
[15:13] <gnomefreak> nonix4: there is nothing in my home dir for that. is it something that i have to wait for to happen?
[15:13] <gnomefreak> also i dont need to load the script when i log onto irssi do i?
[15:17] <gnomefreak> nonix4: i found it or it just showed up
[15:18] <nonix4> gnomefreak: so is there actually "irssi" near the "ps f" line in play.debug.txt or did some other process call it? what kind of arguments were passed to "play"?
[15:19] <gnomefreak> nonix4: can you please take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/931180/
[15:19] <gnomefreak> ^^ the wholle small file
[15:20] <gnomefreak> is the beep beep script causing this?
[15:21] <nonix4> gnomefreak: hmm, not directly invoked by irssi, weird... "beep beep"?
[15:21] <gnomefreak> since it didnt fix what i wanted it to i can get rid of it
[15:21] <gnomefreak> /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/play /home/gnomefreak/.irssi/scripts/beep_beep.wav
[15:22] <gnomefreak> its the second to last line
[15:22] <gnomefreak> and alot of other lines
[15:22] <nonix4> Yup that path to scripts tells it quite clearly. If you'd want to actually hear that line, you'd need to have a play program (from eg. sox) installed.
[15:22] <gnomefreak> 5 times in all
[15:23] <gnomefreak> ah ok ill drop it than thanks
[15:23] <nonix4> *hear that .wav
[15:24] <gnomefreak> nonix4: no sound at all in terminal here
[15:24] <nonix4> gnomefreak: so then you'd better be looking for "visual beep" instead
[15:24] <gnomefreak> even irssi beeps are gone, that is why i tried that script
[15:24] <Debro> how i can execute program with JDK 64bit, what command i shold use
[15:25]  * gnomefreak doesnt do java but would depend on the program i would guess
[15:26] <nonix4> gnomefreak: well you could change that "/usr/local/bin/play" do whatever you wish, but this a bit off-topic here :)
[15:26] <gnomefreak> nonix4: thanks for your help
[15:26] <gnomefreak> thats why i have about 40 channels im in atm
[15:30] <nonix4> Debro: haven't tested that stuff on precise yet, but what does "dpkg -S $(which jdk)" print for you?
[15:30] <Debro> nonix4, i have jdk 1.7..
[15:31] <nonix4> Debro: well the reason I'm asking is because of multiarch bugs possibly making the answer non-trivial...
[15:32] <gnomefreak> thaqt comjmand gives me a error
[15:32] <gnomefreak> dpkg -S $(which jdk)+
[15:32] <gnomefreak> with out the +
[15:32] <nonix4> yeah it will if you have none in path
[15:33] <gnomefreak> ah
[15:34] <Debro> nonix4, i get lot of data
[15:34] <nonix4> actually guess it will in any case... "java" instead of jdk might work better :)
[15:34] <nonix4> Debro: openjdk-7-jre-headless ?
[15:35] <Debro> can somone say what comand is tu run jar file with jdk 64..??
[15:36] <Debro> is this correct: java -d64 -jar??
[15:36] <Debro> nonix4, what?
[15:37] <nonix4> that java command sounds familiar, yes... don't have any jdk installed atm though.
[15:42] <rymate1234> 		ohai
[15:42] <rymate1234> cxit
[15:42] <rymate1234> yay
[15:42] <bazhang> rymate1234, ?
[15:42] <rymate1234> my bouncer vps is bbac
[15:47] <nonix4> Debro: what I was concerned about was whether you actually have a 64-bit version installed or not...
[15:48] <Debro> nonix4, i have JDK 1.7 64bit
[15:48] <bekks> Debro: java -version
[15:48] <bekks> If that returns 64Bit, then just run java -jar file.jar
[15:49] <Debro> bekks, Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_31-b04); Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.6-b01, mixed mode)
[15:50] <Debro> bekks, wierd why is shows 1.6..? if i installed 1.7...?
[15:51] <bekks> Because your PATH is set to find the 1.6 before 1.7
[15:51] <bekks> which "java" returns what?
[15:51] <Debro> i have 2 java versions..?
[15:51] <bekks> Obviously.
[15:51] <bekks> run: which java
[15:51]  * nonix4 ponders whether that thing uses alternatives... and points to /etc/alternatives/README
[15:52] <Debro> bekks, did ubuntu came with java?
[15:52] <Debro> which java retur: /usr/bin/java
[15:52] <bekks> Debro: It doesnt matter. Whatsthe output of "ls -l /usr/bin/java"
[15:52] <jbicha> Debro: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[15:53] <Debro> bekks, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Apr 12 20:10 /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java
[15:53] <bekks> Then invoke the command jbicha just gave you
[15:54] <Debro> i get 3 selection paths
[15:54] <bekks> Then choose one.
[15:55] <Debro> bekks,    * 0            /opt/java/64/jre1.6.0_31/bin/java   1         auto mode; 1            /opt/java/64/jre1.6.0_31/bin/java   1         manual mode
[15:55] <Debro> ; 2            /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java      1         manual mode
[15:55]  * gnomefreak sticks with default but that is just me
[15:55] <bekks> Debro: Use a pastebin please.
[15:55] <Debro> bekks, ok
[15:56] <Debro> bekks, http://pastebin.com/9K4DD2FU
[15:57] <bekks> So its very clear that your system chose "1" as the default.
[15:57] <Debro> bekks,  what i realy cant understand is what java im using and why i have 3 java...
[15:57] <bekks> "0", not "1" is your default.
[15:58] <Debro> but they are the same?
[15:58] <bekks> Doesnt matter really :)
[15:58] <bekks> Why exactly do you need to run 1.7?
[16:00] <Debro> dont now i just read that it is new..
[16:00] <bekks> Then you dont need it :)
[16:00] <Debro> so i installed it.. i want run 64bit java so it can work better..
[16:00] <bekks> The system default "0" is 64bit.
[16:00] <bekks> And it wont work "better" just because of the 64bit.
[16:01] <Debro> could you help me delete 1.7?
[16:01] <bekks> Just use your package management system to remove it.
[16:01] <bekks> You could remove it using the Software Center, e.g.
[16:01] <Debro> synaptic?
[16:01] <bekks> Or synaptic, yes.
[16:02] <Debro> but i installed it with comands from terminal
[16:02] <bekks> That doesnt matter.
[16:02] <Debro> how to find it?
[16:03] <bekks> By searching it?
[16:03] <Debro> jdk dont see any installed java
[16:03] <bekks> I doubt that.
[16:03] <bekks> Then search for "java" or "1.7.0"
[16:05] <Debro> sorry but i realy cant find it..
[16:06] <bekks> Then use a pastebin to provide the output of "dpkg -l | grep -i jdk"
[16:07] <Debro> no output..
[16:07] <bekks> What were the commands you installed java with?
[16:08] <Debro> i thin here.. http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[16:08] <bekks> Manual installation m(
[16:09] <Debro> i also add plugin for chromium
[16:09] <bekks> And that guy has no idea of the shipped openjdk 1.7.0 in pangolin.
[16:09] <bekks> You manually installed it, you manually remove it.
[16:10] <Debro> is there any way to do complete removal
[16:10] <bekks> Remove it manually.
[16:11] <bekks> Did you understand what you have done there following your link?
[16:11] <bekks> You manually created a directory, and moved some stuff in there.
[16:11] <Debro> hmm.. ok so i what command i have to use..
[16:12] <Debro> remove or rm?
[16:12] <bekks> that are the same commands ;)
[16:12] <bekks> Remove that directory you created - done.
[16:14] <Debro> this was to create sudo mkdir -p /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0  so now i must write sudo rm -p /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0
[16:14] <Debro> bekks, both commands will work?
[16:14] <bekks> No.
[16:15] <bekks> Please read "man rm" on how to remove a directory.
[16:16] <Debro> ok, will do it laiter.. coul you help me more this this java what i have automatic..?
[16:19] <Debro> bekks, it will work in chromium?
[16:21] <jbicha> in the future, you should just install openjdk-7-jre from the repositories, OpenJDK 7 is the reference implementation of Java 7 now
[16:21] <snadge> what does that make oracle's java 7
[16:21] <Debro> snadge, oracle that is old sun java
[16:22] <Debro> jbicha, openJDK is same as Sun Java?
[16:22] <snadge> no
[16:22] <Myrtti> jbicha: sadly openjdk isn't approved by some systems that require Sun/Oracle one
[16:22] <penguin42> jbicha: As long as things work with it - things like eclipse for android dev are sometimes a bit fussy
[16:22] <snadge> android dev kind of requires sun/oracle java 6
[16:23] <Debro> awww i dont undastand anymore what i have to do.. :P
[16:23] <Myrtti> or certain Nordic identification/bank systems
[16:23] <snadge> i have 4 versions of java installed :p
[16:23] <snadge> openjdk 6/7 and sun/oracle 6/7
[16:23] <snadge> :P
[16:23] <jbicha> Debro: I don't know what you need, but I'm guess you just want the Oracle Java 6, not everything works with Java 7 yet
[16:23] <snadge> theres a script you can use to switch between them
[16:24] <penguin42> ah the wonders of Java
[16:24] <Debro> jbicha, yes could you help me..?
[16:24] <Debro> jbicha, i dont now what java i have installed and i dont now how install Oracle Jave 6 64bit..
[16:25] <Debro> java is allways problem for me..
[16:25] <snadge> any of them will play minecraft
[16:25] <snadge> as long as you update lwjgl.. thats all that really matters ;)
[16:26] <penguin42> snadge: I think that was the previous high target; now if eclipse will work most people will be happy
[16:26] <snadge> id like to see android development be compatible with java 7
[16:26] <snadge> android 4 actually compiles with openjdk 6.. which is a start
[16:26] <Debro> snadge, you run minecraft on ubuntu..?
[16:26] <snadge> yup
[16:26] <Debro> how to do that...?
[16:27] <snadge> instructions are on mojangs website.. install java
[16:27] <snadge> i created a script called mc which i put in /usr/local/bin
[16:27] <Debro> give me link please
[16:27] <gnomefreak> how do i get sound-juicer to save as mp3. the restricted formats wiki is out dated by a lot
[16:28] <snadge> http://www.minecraft.net/download
[16:28] <nonix4> penguin42: you do know what kind of crappy secu...spyware several banks are attempting to force down the throats of their users under the disguise of "java"? and actually having JNI's rootkit-equivalents there...
[16:29] <penguin42> nonix4: Oh I hate to think! There's no way I'm doing any banking on my phone; the only time I ever do any it's in a separate clean VM booted off an ISO
[16:29] <gnomefreak> or another easy to use ripper that will change .wav to .MP3
[16:29] <Debro> snadge, ther is not much instructions...
[16:30] <jbicha> gnomefreak: did you try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[16:30] <gnomefreak> jbicha: yes
[16:30] <gnomefreak> ubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[16:31] <snadge> Debro: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
[16:31] <Debro> snadge, will it get me 64 bit?
[16:31] <snadge> yes
[16:31] <gnomefreak> why not use 7
[16:31] <nonix4> penguin42: I prefer diskless nbd boots on proxied/whitelist-nat'd connectivity...
[16:32] <gnomefreak> openjdk-7-jre
[16:32] <snadge> 7 isnt required.. and you need to update lwjgl, otherwise it crashes
[16:32] <gnomefreak> ah
[16:32] <Debro> snadge,  why not install oracle 6?
[16:32] <snadge> because that involves more effort
[16:33] <snadge> ubuntu has stopped packaging it due to license restriction from oracle
[16:33] <Debro> snadge, ok what next?
[16:34] <gnomefreak> even lame didnt help damnit
[16:34] <snadge> then you download the minecraft.jar from the link i gave you
[16:34] <gnomefreak> brb smoke and think
[16:34] <Debro> snadge, have it...
[16:34] <snadge> and launch it using the command thats right underneath the link to the minecraft.jar ;)
[16:34] <Debro> i must create sh file?
[16:35] <bekks> No.
[16:35] <snadge> you can.. or you can right click on the jar file and say open with java
[16:35] <bekks> OR just run java -jar filename.jar
[16:37] <Debro> what you say about this: http://corbindavenport.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-to-play-minecraft-on-ubuntu-1204.html
[16:38] <Debro> i have created it before but it dont open  minecraft
[16:38] <bekks> Created what?
[16:39] <Debro> Minecraft.desktop file with comands in that link...
[16:39] <snadge> those instructions are okay.. apart from the ones on how to install sun java.. which is obsolete/overkill
[16:39] <bekks> All you need to do is to run that java command...
[16:39] <Lace57> run minecraft with java - jar command
[16:41] <nonix4> java -jar "$(find ${HOME} -name minecraft.jar)"
[16:41] <nonix4> (that should work as long as you have one of such jars;)
[16:42] <Debro> i want create shortcut for it so i posted link how i did that... but that dont open jar
[16:43] <bekks> FIRST, ensure that that command works at all.
[16:43] <bekks> After that, you still can create a desktop entry.
[16:44] <Debro> ahh i understand why...  i removed /home/user/...
[16:44] <Debro> now it works thanks
[16:45] <snadge> after its ran the first time.. running it from your home dir is the correct way
[16:46] <Debro> so now i have sun and open jdk which one is default..?
[16:46] <bekks> Look it up.
[16:46] <bekks> With the commands you used above.
[16:48] <Debro> bekks, do i need install plugun for chromium
[16:50] <bekks> Yes.
[16:53] <Debro> bekks,  how to do that..?
[16:53] <bekks> 0415 175251 < jbicha> Debro: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[16:53] <bekks> Like you did above ;)
[16:55] <Debro>  bekks, i did this: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre so now i need do sudo update-alternatives --config java for what java?
[16:55] <bekks> Just type and press enter afterwards:
[16:56] <bekks> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[16:56] <bekks> And you will see whats your current default java.
[16:58] <Debro> bekks, see again this ( http://pastebin.com/7PhUAQVt )so what is default java..? it is in auto mode?
[17:00] <Debro> and than I wanted to install 1.7 i did use thease commands (http://pastebin.com/Qcqzeg2g) do i need remove them..?
[17:00] <bekks> The default is the one with the leading *
[17:00] <bekks> Above, you wanted to remove 1.7 - would you mind to decide first, what you want to do?
[17:02] <Debro> bekks, sorry my laguage is wrong... will explain again.. :)
[17:03] <Debro> bekks, when i did install 1.7 (before some days) I used that commands.. do i need remove them?
[17:03] <bekks> I told you above.
[17:04] <bekks> If you want to remove them, do so.
[17:05] <Debro> bekks, but i dont now how to remove for expamle this: sudo update-alternatives --install "/usr/bin/java" "java" "/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java" 1
[17:05] <Debro> or i'm missing something here?
[17:06] <bekks> Debro: Then take a look at "man update-alternatives" and you'll find the option to remove an entry.
[17:07] <Debro> bekks, but if i remove all forder 1.7.0 will it also remove those commands? i just dont now how all things works..
[17:07] <bekks> No, it will not undo that commands.
[17:08] <bekks> I just told you how to get more information on how to undo that command.
[17:08] <Debro> bekks, ok thank you! 1st i will remove folder from jvm...
[17:09] <bekks> No.
[17:09] <bekks> First, you will read the information I told you about.
[17:09] <bekks> You have to _understand_ what you are doing there.
[17:09] <gnomefreak> anyone ever use/used Asunder?
[17:11] <Debro> bekks, ok.. :)
[17:14] <gnomefreak> seems asunder is easy to use :)
[17:16] <Debro> bekks, is there ang way to remove alternatives with gui..? or i need to use this command: --remove name path
[17:18] <Debro> i think i can do sudo nautilus and then go to place where they are stored..
[17:20] <bekks> No, there is no gui method.
[17:26] <Axz> Anyone having issues with gnomebaker on 12.04?
[17:27] <bekks> Someone has, for sure.
[17:27] <bekks> Why?
[17:27] <Axz> well cant get it working
[17:27] <Axz> installing going fine but running it no chance
[17:29] <jbicha> Axz: gnomebaker was removed from Ubuntu last summer https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnomebaker/0.6.4-1ubuntu1
[17:29] <Axz> reason why?!
[17:29] <jbicha> I recommend you try brasero which is installed by default
[17:30] <Axz> well i;m trying but miss stability of gnomebaker
[17:30] <bekks> I'll recommend using k3b
[17:30] <Axz> bth
[17:30] <jbicha> it's not very stable if it doesn't work any more... http://bugs.debian.org/590890
[17:30] <penguin42> bekks: Yeh, the UI on k3b is hopelessly unobvious - but it does work
[17:32] <Axz> jbicha, yeah then best stick with brasero i hope its getting better in future
[17:32] <bekks> Axz: Hopeless hope :)
[17:33] <Axz> hehe
[17:55] <nothing-new> nice to join here
[17:56] <nothing-new> 12.04 will have Gnome-shell and Unity both?
[17:56] <nothing-new> anyone know it please?
[17:59] <trism> nothing-new: yes, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell; to get gnome-shell too
[18:00] <nothing-new> trism, I did not actually download the beta , Just waiting for the final date.
[18:00] <nothing-new> And try to know the future of it
[18:00] <vooze> Is there an easy way to remove all unity-files and only keep gnome-shell?
[18:00] <nothing-new> ah
[18:01] <Debro> synaptic maybe?
[18:01] <nothing-new> vooze, http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/how-do-i-install-and-use-the-latest-version-of-gnome-shell , http://askubuntu.com/questions/6302/how-can-you-remove-unity
[18:09] <Debro> in use/lib/jvm i have 4folders and 1 shortcut what can i remove?
[18:11] <nothing-new> trism, Perhaps we will be able to switch to classic interface permanently?
[18:12] <gnomefreak> no unity 2d is it
[18:13] <trism> nothing-new: the session you select on the login screen will be remembered, so use whatever you like
[18:13] <Debro> guys do you now where alternatives is stored and how can i remove them..?
[18:14] <gnomefreak> i dont think you can "remove" them
[18:15] <gnomefreak> remove package and the choice will be gone
[18:15] <bjsnider> you wouldn't want to remove the alternatives system
[18:15] <bjsnider> it makes a lot of things work smoothly at a low level
[18:15] <bjsnider> in other words, that you don't notice
[18:16] <gnomefreak> why would you want to
[18:17] <Debro> i will show you..
[18:17] <Debro> i did all this to install oracle java 1.70 64bit :http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[18:18] <Debro> somone sad that i dont need it so now i have to remove it...
[18:18] <gnomefreak> Debro: you dont need what?
[18:19] <gnomefreak> you do _need_ alternatives, if you want a working system
[18:19] <nothing-new> I see some peoples are happy for 12.04 as they could use classic interface
[18:20] <Debro> java 1.7.0 because 1.6.. is better so i alredy removed folder from jvm directory, and now i just have to remove this command: sudo update-alternatives --install "/usr/bin/java" "java" "/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0/bin/java" 1
[18:20] <gnomefreak> you cant use classic in 12.04 AFAIK
[18:20] <gnomefreak> if you dont want 7 use 6 if that is what you want. just choose it in alter....
[18:20] <bjsnider> you have misunderstood the instructions on that site
[18:21] <bjsnider> they tell you the commands to run
[18:21] <bjsnider> just run them
[18:21] <bjsnider> you don't have to "remove" anything
[18:21] <Lace57> man.. Unity sucks
[18:21] <andrewaclt> heh
[18:22] <gnomefreak> than dont use it
[18:22] <Lace57> i am not using it :)
[18:22] <Debro> bjsnider, i did all commands now i want use openjdk it is easey
[18:22] <Debro> easy*
[18:22] <bjsnider> Debro, oh, i see what you're asking. you want to undo that
[18:23] <gnomefreak> than no need to make remoarks like that, join a non support channel if you want to complain
[18:23] <bjsnider> now you don't want to use oracle's stuff anymore
[18:23] <gnomefreak> 2 hours and you gave up?
[18:24] <nothing-new> Lace57, correct!!! +1
[18:24] <bjsnider> i have to go away for awhile. just send him to maybe the wiki page for openjdk. that should have the alternatives commands to restore openjdk as the java provider
[18:24] <GirlyGirl> For some reason apt-get seems to be really slow! No matter what mirrors I chose. In fact downloading google-chrome was really slow too (from google's servers) and downloading the same .deb with Kget worked quickly
[18:24] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: i wont be here
[18:24] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: we have chreome in repos
[18:24] <gnomefreak> chrome
[18:25] <GirlyGirl> gnomefreak: Did my question have anything to do with chrome?
[18:25] <GirlyGirl> gnomefreak: Besides I said chrome not chromium
[18:25] <gnomefreak> downloading google-chrome was really slow too (from google's servers)
[18:25] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: it is the same
[18:25] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: name is different because its non-free
[18:26] <GirlyGirl> gnomefreak: Yes referring to the fact that apt-get is being slow even on non Ubuntu servers (google's chrome represitory)
[18:26] <GirlyGirl> gnomefreak: They are not entirely the same (chrome and chromium)
[18:27] <gnomefreak> other than name and minro changes to get by the nonfree licenses they are the same
[18:27] <Lace57> anyone else having chrome show the aw snap page occasionally when browsing youtube?
[18:27] <Lace57> chromium*
[18:27] <GirlyGirl> My problem has nothing to do with chrome but to do with apt-get downloads and represitory refreshes being slow
[18:28] <GirlyGirl> chrome was just mentioned to test whether it had to do with mirror overload
[18:28] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: i dont think it is the servers that are slow
[18:28] <Lace57> im talking about my probs not yours
[18:28] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: if it was the servers than it wouldnt be all servers (including googles)
[18:29] <GirlyGirl> gnomefreak: I believe I said the same thing
[18:29] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: you made it sound like you were getting it on all servers
[18:30] <gnomefreak> you sad apt-get and googles were slow
[18:30] <gnomefreak> said
[18:30] <gnomefreak> i thought you were asking/saying they were slow bedcause of the servers
[18:31] <gnomefreak> because
[18:31] <GirlyGirl> !enter
[18:31] <Debro> bjsnider, yes i want to remove it can you help me..?
[18:31] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: i know
[18:32]  * gnomefreak still an op
[18:32] <GirlyGirl> gnomefreak: Is English not your first language? I said that apt-get was slow and to prove the point I mentioned that I had already tested mirrors and non Ubuntu represitories (google's)
[18:33] <jeroenpraat> I have a 64 bits processor (Intell i3-2100 CPU). When downloading/installing beta 2, do I need the  'PC (Intel x86) desktop CD' or the '64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD'? I'm confused because it's saying AMD.
[18:33] <gnomefreak> GirlyGirl: yes but i have alot of windows open and some keep popping open
[18:33] <nonix4> jeroenpraat: amd64
[18:34] <jeroenpraat> nonix4: thanks, I installed the wrong one. Maybe it's better to make it more clear it is also for Intell CPU's?
[18:34] <gnomefreak> jeroenpraat: you can use eithere
[18:34] <gnomefreak> either
[18:35] <jeroenpraat> gnomefreak: That's right, because I'm working on a 32 bit Ubuntu now, but I want to have the 64 bits of course. Should be faster, right?
[18:35] <nonix4> jeroenpraat: depends :)
[18:35] <gnomefreak> not really
[18:36] <gnomefreak> 32bit has better support though
[18:36] <penguin42> jeroenpraat: It might be, especially on machines with lots (more than about 4GB) of RAM
[18:36] <jeroenpraat> I have 4GB ram
[18:36] <penguin42> gnomefreak: It's getting a lot closer these days
[18:36] <gnomefreak> penguin42: cool :)
[18:36] <jeroenpraat> and I boot from a SSD drive
[18:36] <penguin42> gnomefreak: And with +1 you can always install some i386 packages easily
[18:37] <TheSimkin> how is 32 bit better support?
[18:37] <bekks> I'd like to know that too.
[18:37] <nonix4> some code does benefit a lot from 64-bit - crypto can get even +100% speed :)
[18:37] <gnomefreak> TheSimkin: some things dont work as well on 64 as they do on 32 but its been something that has been working on for a while
[18:37] <nonix4> (for microbenchmarks, which'll typically represent tiny fraction of reality)
[18:38] <TheSimkin> gnomefreak: got anything specific?
[18:38] <TheSimkin> rendering vids gets about 20% boost from 64bit iirc.
[18:39] <gnomefreak> TheSimkin: it used to be mozilla apps (that is where i was concerned) as for other apps i cant tell you anymore i havent used 64bit in a really long time
[18:39] <penguin42> some things can end up worse; things with LOTS of linked lists because the pointers are worse - but it's rare
[18:39] <nonix4> main "advantage" for 32-bit is number of binary blobs available for that...
[18:39] <jeroenpraat> I have a asus gt520 nvidia card. 32bits or 64 b?
[18:39] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Not really a problem anymore
[18:39] <bekks> since years :)
[18:39] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i know with mozilla its not but i dont concern myself with much wore than that anymore
[18:39] <nonix4> ... but most of even those blobs work fine with multiarch
[18:40] <TheSimkin> amd64 is awesome, i think you guys are holding an old grudge
[18:40] <TheSimkin> flash used to be buggy/impossible on amd64, but now works.
[18:40]  * penguin42 agrees with TheSimkin
[18:40] <TheSimkin> i can't think of any other problems
[18:41] <gnomefreak> TheSimkin: so were other addons for mozilla apps
[18:41] <jeroenpraat> and I boot from a SSDrive. Works this better with 32 bit or 64 bit?
[18:41] <nonix4> some "java" apps use 32-bit jni crap.
[18:41] <penguin42> jeroenpraat: No difference
[18:41] <TheSimkin> gnomefreak: where. not any more.
[18:41] <TheSimkin> jeroenpraat: i don't see how a ssdrive would affect the choice of 32 or 64bit...
[18:41] <gnomefreak> TheSimkin: i know that most mozilla support is the same on both archs now
[18:42] <DanaG> well, except on Windows.
[18:42] <gnomefreak> flash is still iffy on some
[18:42] <DanaG> No 64-bit official releases for Windows.  But that's off-topic.
[18:42] <TheSimkin> who cares about windows
[18:42] <penguin42> gnomefreak: 64bit is so common now I wouldn't be surprised if it starts tipping to 32bit being less supported
[18:42] <DanaG> Flash for me is crappy in both places, in different ways.
[18:42] <TheSimkin> did you see adobe won't be making a generic linux client any more
[18:42] <TheSimkin> you will only get it if you use google chrome
[18:42] <TheSimkin> flash is garbage anyhow
[18:42] <jeroenpraat> So if I understand you advise to reinstall to 64 bits?
[18:42] <DanaG> Great, it's like the IE6 proprietary crap all over again.
[18:43] <penguin42> TheSimkin: But difficult to get away from
[18:43] <penguin42> jeroenpraat: If it's working I wouldn't bother reinstalling, if you were doing a fresh install anyway I'd go with 64
[18:43] <nonix4> yeah the differences are so minor that reinstall may be waste of time
[18:43]  * gnomefreak might try 64 again maybe with 12.10
[18:44] <jeroenpraat> I have a dual bot with win7 64 bits and that works great. firefox is 32 bits? I understand Ubuntu 12.04 has a 64 bit?
[18:44]  * nonix4 hasn't used 32-bit since... 6.06 or so
[18:44] <DanaG> too bad multiarch doesn't mean universal binaries.
[18:44]  * bekks hasnt used 32bit since 2002.
[18:44] <DanaG> Having a drive that's bootable on 32-bit and 64-bit systems would be handy.
[18:44] <jeroenpraat> penguin42: I just installed 12.04 beta2 2 days ago. It's new pc, so reinstalling is not very difficult
[18:45] <gnomefreak> DanaG: chroot
[18:45]  * GirlyGirl uses 32 bit on her Intel Atom and Pentium 4
[18:45] <jeroenpraat> and for my home folder it shoudnt be a problem to switch from 32 to 64, right?
[18:45] <penguin42> GirlyGirl: Have you tried 12.04 on your P4 ?
[18:45] <DanaG> gnomefreak: or btrfs subvolumes
[18:45] <GirlyGirl> penguin42: Yes
[18:45] <DanaG> Though, i won't use btrfs until fsck stops being vaporware like it's been for, oh, at least 1 year.
[18:46] <penguin42> GirlyGirl: Nod, insisting on PAE is causing some older machines problems
[18:46] <GirlyGirl> penguin42: P4's support PAE
[18:46] <DanaG> yup, like some Pentium M systems I have lying around.
[18:47] <penguin42> DanaG: If you install from Xubuntu it's fine
[18:47] <ferni> I'm running 12.04 on a Pentium M
[18:48] <nonix4> DanaG: I've actually used 32-bit grub chainloader to load 64-bit grub located on a partition, with shared /home along other installations on that host... that could easily be extended to be bootable on both 64-bit & 32-bit, although still too convenient...
[18:48] <nonix4> *not
[18:50] <jeroenpraat> guys, i just want to know one final thing: reinstalling to 64 bit (itś 15 m time for me). does that affect my files in my /home folder?!
[18:50] <penguin42> depends where you put /home
[18:50] <julioneto> Hi all
[18:51] <julioneto> Folks, I have a weird problem here...
[18:51] <penguin42> jeremydei: If you used a single partition with /home and the OS in the same partition it will wipe /home
[18:51] <jeroenpraat> penguin42: my /home partition is a separate harddrive, root is on the SSD
[18:52] <julioneto> First, I couldn't resize my original partition to install the latest 12.04 build
[18:52] <julioneto> (with tha same live cd)
[18:52] <julioneto> then, I just deleted it all and tried to install everything new
[18:52] <penguin42> jeroenpraat: OK then, as long as you are careful to install on the correct drive, then it should leave the /home ok, then tell it to mount your /home afterwards (that might be a little tricky)
[18:54] <julioneto> But it freezes as long as a finish with my personal information (key, user, etc)
[18:54] <julioneto> just... freezes
[18:56] <julioneto> Now, for example, I have waited for the copy of the files, then set my informations... and now a have to wait... for... nothing
[18:56] <julioneto> nothing happens
[18:56] <julioneto> (I have tried Beta 2, and the latest build)
[18:57] <julioneto> any idea?
[18:57] <penguin42> julioneto: Can you ctrl-alt-f1 when it apparently freezes?
[18:58] <julioneto> at the moment I set my informations and click on "continue"/"next"
[18:58] <julioneto> Without no explanation
[18:59] <julioneto> *any
[18:59] <CaptainKnots> hello...how would I go about adding a ppa for the latest kernel to ubuntu 12.04? I've only found the site where I can manually download the deb files
[18:59] <julioneto> I'll up a screenshot
[18:59] <jeroenpraat> penguin42: I did tens of ubuntu installs, mostly with a manual partition scheme (separating home and root). would be no problem. I was just wondering if 32 bits and 64 bits has influence on normal files, but I understand it's only the binaries
[19:00] <julioneto> here it is: http://i44.tinypic.com/5plxg8.png
[19:01]  * penguin42 disappears
[19:03] <fmms> anybody else seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/982518 on precise?
[19:07] <jeroenpraat> here we go! Rock & Roll!
[19:08] <GirlyGirl_> fmms: Maybe some gnome integration component as I'm using it on Kubuntu with the kde integration components
[19:09] <julioneto> This is my bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/950952
[19:09] <julioneto> But... I don't see any solution =/
[19:10] <DanaG> weird: I'm getting this on my serial console:
[19:10] <DanaG> The disk drive for /home is not ready yet or not present.                  Continue to wait, or Press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery                   Spawning maintenance shell
[19:10] <DanaG> No maintenance shell appears on the serial console.
[19:12] <GirlyGirl> I'm experiencing this bug in 12.04 and its really annoying https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=118999
[19:21] <keito_> hi, just upgraded to 12.04 from 10.10 and my mail settings in evolution aren't recognised, nor are my stored emails.  How can I get Evolution to see them?
[19:30] <jeroenpraat> done
[19:41] <GirlyGirl> keito_: How did you upgrade to 12.04 from 10.10? via 11.04 and 11.10?
[19:43] <fnordism> girligirl: open a terminal
[19:43] <Areckx> hihi
[19:43] <fnordism> ctrl-alt-t
[19:44] <fnordism> then sudo update-manager -d
[19:44] <Areckx> when i installed using usb unetboot
[19:44] <fnordism> and you can update first from 11.04 to 11.10, after them restart and do the same again
[19:44] <Areckx> it never installed network manager
[19:44] <Areckx> so iam unable to connect to the wifi
[19:44] <fnordism> girly girl are you a dudette?
[19:45] <Areckx> I installed from windows vista and durin install I used a single partition and formatted
[19:45] <Areckx> so there is no windows period
[19:45] <Areckx> I have access to a mac
[19:45] <Areckx> and am on my iphone now
[19:46] <Areckx> where can i find the deb file for betwork manager
[19:46] <fnordism> areckx somewhere in the ubuntu repository
[19:46] <Areckx> and also, rhe system settings has a menu option but soesn't open anything
[19:47] <fnordism> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=network+manager&searchon=names&suite=oneiric&section=all
[19:47] <Areckx> so ubuntu.com?
[19:47] <fnordism> or in apt/cache
[19:47] <Areckx> and I use sudo dpkg -i
[19:47] <Areckx> correct?
[19:48] <fnordism> yes
[19:48] <Areckx> apt/cache?
[19:48] <fnordism> /var/cache/apt
[19:48] <fnordism> or something
[19:52] <Areckx> ?
[19:59] <ssfdre38> ive been waiting for 2 weeks for the patch of this error http://paste.ssfdre38.com/2 how can i fix it
[20:05] <edlik> please help. I upgraded to 12.04 and now I can not connect using my usb wifi adapter and have no wired connection at desktop
[20:19] <scar3crow> anybody else pleased with the addition of Quake?
[20:30] <fmms> can anybody reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/982518? can anybody tell me why my apport does not kick in?
[20:44] <skel> does update-manager support p2p yet?
[20:48] <fnordism> why p2p?
[20:51] <skel> fnordism: because mirrors get overloaded every release
[20:51] <skel> fnordism: why not p2p?
[20:52] <fnordism> skel: no
[20:52] <fnordism> those mirrors are on universities on 10gb lines
[20:53] <skel> fnordism: ok champ. if you say so
[20:53] <fnordism> just try to find a less busy mirror
[20:53] <skel> fnordism: yeah, thats a good use of my time :) switching from mirror to mirror until I find one less busy.
[20:54] <fnordism> lol do them at night
[20:54] <skel> fnordism: you
[20:54] <skel> fnordism: must be a user experience expert ;)
[20:55] <fnordism> i do my dist upgrades at night, that happens once a year
[20:56] <fnordism> skel: no I'm just a dalek
[20:56] <kklimonda> what sucks is that the main archive gets overloaded and we can't work easily on SRUs around release time ;)
[20:57] <skel> blizzard gets it, using p2p would take a huge load off the mirrors and also reduce the bandwidth costs for the sponsors
[20:57] <kklimonda> skel: what I do is updating after RC release, but before the final one (well, I don't do that anymore as I update systems well before RC)
[20:57] <fnordism> those p2p thing makes ubuntu even more buggy and complicated
[20:57] <kklimonda> servers aren't overloaded yet, and I only have to install a few updates after that
[20:58] <kklimonda> skel: does it mean you are volunteering to work on that? ;)
[20:58] <fnordism> today the current release of compiz crashes if xbmc starts in full screen, sorry what a mess
[20:58] <skel> fnordism: they would build the protocol support into update manager.. not make people use transmission etc.. I think you're not on the same page
[20:58] <skel> kklimonda: sure :) I guess I could
[20:59] <skel> I'm upgrading now at 60kb/s
[20:59] <skel> =/
[20:59] <fnordism> i think those p2p stuff isn't the way to go for my opinion
[20:59] <Areckx> this is a mess, there are too many missing packages
[20:59] <skel> fnordism: we could easily make it optional and have direct to mirrors by default
[20:59] <Areckx> and I have to install them one by one
[20:59] <Areckx> is there a better solution?
[21:00] <kklimonda> Areckx: your question is too.. incomplete
[21:00] <Areckx> I am unable to connect to the internet and system settings doesn't open
[21:00] <Areckx> ubuntu 12.04
[21:00] <fnordism> bulbul 12.04 with the samba bug?
[21:00] <Areckx> dell inspiron 1720
[21:01] <Areckx> network manager and lib------ files are missing or damaged
[21:01] <fnordism> areckx, reinstall it
[21:01] <Trewas> skel: there already are several dead projects combining apt and bittorrent
[21:01] <scar3crow> indeed
[21:02] <Areckx> I am havibg teouble reistalling too
[21:02] <fnordism> the BT protocol isn't recommended for such small files
[21:02] <Areckx> I have also tried different istros
[21:02] <skel> Trewas: ok, and?
[21:02] <Areckx> and unetbootin
[21:02] <Areckx> using usb to install
[21:02] <skel> Trewas: you mean like to use for a starting point?
[21:03] <fnordism> you need something like KAD
[21:03] <skel> Trewas: I'm just going to try and find the update-manager source
[21:03] <Areckx> should I try reinstalling 12.04 or should I use an earlier version?
[21:03] <skel> but Canonical would have to setup the original seeds and sign them etc.. I alone can't just make the update-manager p2p capable
[21:04] <Trewas> skel: the projects have not been successful for some reason, probably mostly because bittorrent is not good with small files, other reasons probably how to control who/when runs the "seeds" and that mirrors are fast enough most of the time
[21:05] <fnordism> maybe something based on python
[21:07] <fnordism> skel: ask leonardo da vinci
[21:07] <Areckx> oh I think thia will sork
[21:07] <Areckx> downloading 10.04 lts
[21:08] <Areckx> and will use makestartupdisk to put it onto usb
[21:08] <Areckx> I will format usb before
[21:08] <fnordism> i think you have to wait for zonky zebrule till apt manager with p2p
[21:08] <skel> Trewas: hm I see the point about the overhead on small files.
[21:08] <Areckx> 40 minutes until download complete
[21:09] <skel> 3 hours remaining on my upgrade
[21:11] <fnordism> skol
[21:31] <FernandoMiguel> jpds: W: Failed to fetch mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [Mirror: http://mosel.estg.ipleiria.pt/mirror/distros/ubuntu/archive/]
[21:31] <FernandoMiguel> I've been getting that for over a week
[21:31] <bekks> FernandoMiguel: Then change the mirror you are using.
[21:31] <FernandoMiguel> bekks: look at the repo :)
[21:32] <FernandoMiguel> mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com
[21:32] <FernandoMiguel> it's a list of auto detected available mirrors
[21:36] <bekks> FernandoMiguel: How does that change what I just said?
[21:37] <FernandoMiguel> bekks: that's an auto list exactly for us don't have to worry about failing mirros
[21:37] <FernandoMiguel> bekks: I already have two other static mirrors added
[21:37] <FernandoMiguel> like main a close server
[21:43] <mickstep> Hi I just loaded 12.04 today and Unity flaky running on top of nvidia-current on my 8800 GTS, is this a known issue because I couldn't find any discussion of Nvidia issues for 12.04 on the forum
[21:57] <ironm> good evening. It looks like ubuntu-server 12.04 nor wheezy iso image files can be used local (on dom0 of XCP 1.5) for installation. The installation breaks because of CD-ROM driver issue
[21:58] <ironm> Regression: Error - Ubuntu-server 12.04 installation as VM on xen-server 6 (use of local iso file) - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/982430
[22:15] <Areckx> unknwon keyword in configuration file: gdxboot
[22:15] <Areckx> gfxboot
[22:15] <Areckx> vesamenu.c32: not a COM32R i
[22:15] <Areckx> image
[22:17] <Areckx> just made a usb boot image from ubunth 10.04 lts is86 iso
[22:18] <Areckx> I think it's supposed to be ams64
[22:18] <Areckx> amd
[22:18] <Areckx> what's the difference?
[22:20] <Daekdroom> The difference is that the AMD64 image has support for x86-64.
[22:21] <Areckx> what is that?
[22:21] <trism> Areckx: you may want to try unetbootin to make your usb for 10.04. usb-creator tends to add options not supported by older releases (at least when I've used it), and you have to manually edit the files
[22:21] <Daekdroom> You should get it if you have a CPU that supports 64-bit.
[22:21] <Daekdroom> *can
[22:21] <Areckx> hmmm
[22:21] <Daekdroom> If you don't have a lot of RAM, you should prefer i686 instead.
[22:21] <Areckx> I have had several problems with unetbootin
[22:22] <Daekdroom> and this is not the channel for 10.04 support.
[22:22] <kklimonda> Areckx: you can't make 10.04 usb pendrive with 10.10+ ubuntu ;)
[22:22] <Areckx> i'm running 12.04 currently
[22:22] <Areckx> oh
[22:22] <kklimonda> Areckx: well, it will work but you'll get an error like that - pressing enter should make it boot
[22:23] <Areckx> it keeps on repeating the line
[22:23] <kklimonda> (there has been a new syslinux release after 10.04 which made 10.04 ISO incompatible with syslinux from 10.10+ - really unfortunate if you ask me, I'm still preparing 10.04 usb disks to this day ;))
[22:23] <Areckx> i only have access to this iphone and my ubuntu
[22:23] <kklimonda> Areckx: try typing "linux" and pressing enter
[22:24] <Areckx> could not find kernel image
[22:25] <Areckx> my 12.04 has many packages missing including lib-----  and betworkmanger
[22:25] <Belial`> does anyone still have the issue when the launcher is set to autohide, after clicking on an icon in the launcher, the launcher immediately hides itself again while the mouse is still hovering over it?
[22:25] <Areckx> so i  am unable to connect to the interbet on thay machine
[22:25] <kklimonda> Areckx: live then
[22:25] <Belial`> i was hoping there was a way to keep the launcher revealed until the mouse was taken off the launcher completely.
[22:25] <Areckx> ???
[22:25] <kklimonda> Areckx: try typing "live" instead of "linux" ;)
[22:25] <Areckx> I think that worked
[22:26] <Areckx> it's booting
[22:26] <kklimonda> great
[22:28] <Areckx> installing!
[22:28] <Areckx> and which room is for 10.04?
[22:28] <Daekdroom> #ubuntu
[22:28] <Areckx> thankyou for helping!!
[22:33] <keithclark> Any ideas on how to get my built in microphone to work?  It has not worked since upgrading to 12.04.
[22:39] <kklimonda> does anyone else have problem with bash completion?
[22:39] <kklimonda> when I type $ cp /et<tab> it doesn't add a trailing slash, but a space
[22:39] <kklimonda> so I can't quickly complete subdirectories
[22:41] <kklimonda> hmm, looks like some local fubar
[22:45] <keithclark> kklimonda, yes, seems to work for me here.
[22:47] <Punk_Unity> hey
[22:48] <Punk_Unity> hey yofel
[22:48] <Punk_Unity> thanks for yesterday, helping me and all
[22:48] <Punk_Unity> <----BryGuy71Z
[22:49] <scar3crow> BIG problem: cannot sudo sh <filename> ... permission denied
[23:48] <FernandoMiguel> nite folks!