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r4yI want to record audio from hydrogen drum machine. What programs do I use?, I want to make an audio file to put on my mp3 player so I can drum to it and learn rhythms.03:55
holsteinr4y: you can export from H2 correct?04:00
r4yI am trying that right now04:00
holsteinyou can just fire up audacity or whatever04:00
r4ybut if I remember correctly it will be only the length of a pattern or song04:01
holsteinthe pro way to do it it JACK.. just route it via JACK's virtual patchbay to ardour04:01
holsteinr4y: then, you and cut and paste that in audacity04:01
r4yI want to record the pattern being played over and over for a minute04:01
holsteinr4y: but its just going to export the song04:01
holsteinr4y: you tell H2 what you want it to do, and it'll do it04:01
holsteinr4y: if you have the repeat button on and theres just one bar in the "song", then thats what will export... one bar04:02
holsteinr4y: feel free and ask in #opensourcemusicians04:02
r4yOK, cool, I've used jack before, but I forgot04:02
r4yTY for the input04:02
holsteinr4y: JACK is really overkill for what you are doing04:03
r4yWith H2 I just read there is a record button which I never noticed before. I tried it but I don't know how to retrieve any file from recording04:04
holsteinr4y: i would ask folks in #opensourcemusicians about how to use H2... or reference the manual... i usually just starting messing with the audio applications, and figure it out as i go04:05
holsteini would just fire up H2 and give it a look, but im not near my studio rig right now04:05
r4yThank you again for the help04:05
r4yIt's OK. I should just keep experimenting anyways. Maybe I will learn other things along the way.04:06
r4yI just tried recording with Audacity and it is very very quiet but it recorded04:10
holsteinr4y: congrats!04:10
holsteinjust turn up the gain somewhere, if that works for you04:11
r4yLooking04:11
holsteinor grab the one measure you have, and copy and paste it04:11
holsteinOR, fire up JACK... and ardour or qtractor...04:11
holsteinthere are lots of options04:11
holsteini would literally ask in that channel i referenced04:11
holsteinstuzz over there is quite an H2 expert04:11
holsteini personally just play the actual drums... its easier for me04:12
holsteinstuzz or [lsd]... or anyone over there that uses H2 more than i do will be glad to help04:12
holsteini can only say its possible by several different methods04:12
holsteinanyways... goodluck!04:13
r4yI have a pattern I made up that is some what difficult in concept, but simple. I can play 2 parts with my right hand on the snare and the other part on the high-hat from practicing late last night.04:18
r4yIt's 3 against 4 on the off rhythms and the snare on the back beat04:19
r4y3 is on the on quarter notes, not the off rhythms of 304:21
bioterrorhmmmm... I should learn to use hydrogen04:22
bioterrormaybe04:22
bioterroror is there a better software?04:22
r4yFor money they are better programs.04:26
r4yI've heard of a program called Reason which sounds like real drums04:26
r4yIt is set to have different dynamics around the dynamics programmed into it which makes it sound more like a real drummer04:28
r4yI think it requires hardware, but I am not sure. That might have been another program I was looking into which I can't remember the name of04:29
r4yI've heard of fruit loops as well04:29
r4yGneutronica was the program I was thinking of, but I never tried it because from what I understand it requires hardware04:30
r4yhttp://gneutronica.sourceforge.net/04:32
r4yI had asked someone a long time ago and that person said it requires hardware04:32
r4yWhat's cool about hydrogen drum machine is it's free and I was able to find free drum samples to make my own drum set so it sounds better then the current one, as well as add drum samples from the add-on package for hydrogn drum machine on top of that04:34
r4yOK, so Gneutronica requires a MIDI device. O well.04:40
r4yI guess I could try out Gneutronica to see if it really requires a MIDI device in case I am wrong, because I have wondered if it does indeed require a MIDI device04:44
richardlxci use taskwarrior06:44
richardlxcand how can i look the completed tasks06:44
Areckxgrub rescue>08:11
Areckxubuntu 12.0408:12
Areckxdell inspiron 172008:12
Areckxentire partition08:12
Areckxnetwork manager wasn't installed among many other packages from usb install using unetbootin (o whatevr it's called)08:13
Areckxso08:13
AreckxI downloaded linux mint 9 and did the same, said missing operating system and eventually08:13
Areckxnow I can't even boot into ubuntu 12.0408:14
Areckxgrub rescue is the only option?08:14
Areckxor can i try another usb method?08:14
Areckxls08:14
Areckx(hdo) (hdo,msdos5) (hdo,msdos1) (hd1) (hd1,msdos1)08:15
Areckxls for any of these yields08:16
Areckxerror:unknown filesystem08:16
bobweavermust the time you mount them then read them08:18
bobweaver<~~knows knowings about booting usb only done it a couple of time08:19
Areckxhmm08:45
Areckxso I should read every document before installing?08:46
malmer der nogle danskere herinde som kan hjælpe mig09:43
geirhamalm: #ubuntu-dk would be appropriate if you want help in danish.10:05
bioterror!dk10:09
ubot2For at få dansksproget support til Ubuntu, bedes du venligst gå til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal forefindes kun engelsksproget support.10:09
malmbioterror er du linux newbie eller haj har brug for hjælp10:21
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r4yholstein was it you who tried to help me with jack control?13:49
holsteinr4y: nope... i gave you several suggestions about how to get audio out of h213:49
r4yI got it working13:49
r4yAnswers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1497013&page=213:50
r4yand13:50
r4yhttps://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack/+question/16495513:50
holsteinjack control?13:50
r4yYes13:50
holsteincool... yeah, its been working fine for me :)13:50
r4yIt was not working at all for me and I have used recordmydesktop, hydrogen, and jack control all at once before13:51
holsteinjack is not trivial13:51
holsteinand quite overkill for what you are trying to do anyways13:51
r4yI don't know what the deal was, maybe this is a different install from what I was using13:51
holsteini *love* JACK, and use it often, and suggest it as a last resort to all casual users13:52
holsteinr4y: i issue "gksudo qjackctl" as a troubleshooting step13:52
r4yI should go and write myself a tutorial for the future to use13:52
holsteinif it runs as root, you know its a permissions issue13:52
holsteinr4y: yeah.. til you get a new piece of hardware... or a new kernel ;)13:52
r4yI tried that though and it didn't work13:53
holsteinr4y: right, so its *not* a permissions issue13:53
holsteinthats a hardware or config issue13:53
r4ybut it said realtime was on13:53
holsteinr4y: you dont need realtime anyway13:53
holsteinand, its supposed to *not* fail for realtime support anymore13:53
holsteinas of 11.1013:54
r4yThat must be it then. I am running 10,.0413:54
holsteinr4y: me too13:54
holsteinstill, as root, with the RT box unchecked... all should be good13:55
holsteinor is for me when i test with internal sound cards, USB, or firewire13:55
holsteinstill, there will never be a JACK tutorial that will work for everyone13:55
holsteinthe hardware cases are too specific13:55
r4yCan't wait for 12 to be offical. I only stick with what they call stable and long term releases13:56
holsteinr4y: we have a live CD now.. ubuntustudio13:56
r4ywhat is firewire?13:56
r4yI tried Ubuntu Studio once and I didn't like it13:57
holsteinr4y: ubuntustudio = ubuntu13:57
holsteinr4y: firewire is an interface... kind of like USB13:57
r4yUm, what?13:57
r4yubuntustudio = ubuntu?13:57
holsteinif you go to a pro studio, they will *not* be using USB, or internal sound cards13:57
holsteinr4y: its all the same repositories13:57
holsteinr4y: if you open synaptic from ubuntu 10.04, and search ubuntustudio (or kubuntu, or xubuntu for that matter) you'll see they are all the same13:58
r4yOK, so Ubuntu Studio is not needed to get the same thing with Ubuntu alone, right?13:58
holsteinjust customized a bit, and different default package sets13:58
holsteinr4y: correct.. they are *all* the same13:58
holsteinjust totally different ;)13:58
holsteinif you get what i mean13:58
r4yI remember installing the Ubuntu studio theme as well for fun on a different install13:59
holsteinregardless.. now you can download the ubuntustudio live CD.. pop it in, and use JACK and the other tools from the live CD13:59
r4yO, so jack is on the cd?, but not ubuntu unless installed after installing?14:00
holsteinr4y: ubuntu is on all the CD's, kind of14:01
holsteinubuntu is the community really, and the default OS14:01
holsteinr4y: you can consider ubuntu to be unity, and the "normal" default package set14:01
r4yI mean is jack on the ubuntu cd, or only the ubuntu studio cd?14:01
holsteinr4y: we use XFCE now with ubuntustudio14:01
holsteinr4y: JACK is on the ubuntustudio live CD14:02
r4ybut not the ubuntu cd?14:02
holsteinr4y: correct14:02
r4yThat's neat14:02
holsteinmakes testing hardware a lot easier14:02
r4yThank you for telling me. I have a hard time with English even though I am native to it and don't speak other languages.14:03
holsteinno worries... anytime!14:03
r4ySo Ubuntu Studio uses a different GUI called XFCE. Isn't that on xubuntu or something as well?14:04
holsteinr4y: xubuntu = ubuntu = ubuntu using the XFCE desktop14:05
r4ySo firewire is hardware?14:05
holsteinr4y: its an interface14:06
r4yI should just Google it14:06
holsteinUSB is not appropriate for audio, though it is getting more appropriate14:06
r4yI thought USB was too slow for audio, so they are making how fast it works for audio better then?14:07
holsteintheres a reason why professional studios cost per/hour about as much as some of those USB interfaces cost ;)14:07
r4yAll I have that is USB slash audio is a guitar cable called Lightsnake which is cheap14:08
holsteinr4y: im told USB 3.0 will be appropriate... it also depends on your needs... i use USB for 2 channel stereo stuff all the time14:08
r4yIt took me a long time to get lightsnake to work. One of the reasons was I need to make my guitar louder for jack control14:09
holsteinyup... preamps... thats another one of those tools that cost $$14:09
holsteini tell project studio users all the time to go to a studio, and take a tour.. most will show you around anytime for free14:10
r4yI mean I Googled for a year then I found IRC and found someone who told me what to do but that took me a long time so once I got it working I made a text file to know what to do in the future14:10
holsteinsee what they have, ask questions.. try and emulate the workflow14:10
r4yActually I used my stereo as an amp because I don't have an amp or the money for an amp14:11
holsteinno reason to try and re-invent the wheel... or try and take $15 worth of gear, and fight with it trying to make something professional sounding14:11
r4yI wasn't aiming a pro14:11
r4yI prefer drums14:11
r4yI just don't play guitar as well as I can play drums14:12
r4yI like guitar, don't get me wrong14:12
holsteinrecording the drums with me a similar process though.. clean signal path... decent preamp... decent mic14:12
r4yI just wanted Lightsnake to work14:13
r4yI haven' tried recording drums, but that would be great14:13
r4yThat's one of the reasons I use hydrogen14:13
holsteinr4y: thats a great example though... you'll *never* see a studio using one of those.. you could put that $$ toward a USB interface with decent preamps.. get a shure 57 that you can use on the drums and guitar14:14
holsteinMIDI is a great place to start, since the gear doesnt really matter as much14:14
holsteinthe signal path is all digital and "in the box"14:14
r4yshure 5714:14
r4yGoogled14:14
holsteinr4y: thats a super cheap mic that'll do the job.. multi purpose, and not a waste of $$14:15
r4yTY for the help. What MIDI have you tried14:15
holsteinr4y: i used to use hardware MIDI... all kinds of stuff... ive dabbled with most of the packages in the repos and then some.. [lsd] is my go-to MIDI guy though in #opensourcemusicians14:16
holsteinhe's an ubuntu user http://wootangent.net/category/linux/ ...has some nice tutorials there14:18
r4yWhat are MIDI's, I mean all I know about them is that I have a P-90 keyboard that doesn't have a MIDI for it. What else are they used for in regards to drums, guitar14:18
holsteinr4y: MIDI is just an interface.. you can trigger sound with it.. you could use your guitar to trigger drum sounds for example14:19
r4yI should have asked about how they connect to computers14:19
holsteinyou can record that data and play it back, which is really a relatively small amount of data14:19
holsteinr4y: MIDI connects however you want.. you dont need a computer really, though something electronic is implied14:20
holsteinyou can use the computer to record the data, and play that back, triggering an external synthesiser14:20
holsteinyou can use the computer to generate the sounds "software synthesiser" or "softsynths"14:20
holsteinhydrogen is an example of a software synthesiser, as well as a drum machine14:21
r4ySo USB?, I've seen the big fat connection on my keyboard which is kind of like s-video but big and has many more connetions at the end14:21
holsteinyou can connect your guitar to something in JACK like rakarrack, and have that analog sound trigger drums in hydrogen14:21
holsteinthats whats so nice about JACK.. *all* of the hardware and software is connectable14:21
holsteinthough, mileage may vary14:21
r4yI got jack and jack mixed up when I started14:22
r4yI mean the audio jack on the back of the computer14:22
holsteinr4y: you have to google around about the keyboard you have, and see if the hardware works14:22
holsteini typically just plug them in and look in lsusb or lspci, and try and find it in JACK anc connect and test14:22
holsteinr4y: JACK is a virtual patchbay.. if you take that tour of your local professional studio as i suggested, or google around a bit, you'll see what a patch bay is/does, and why its so important to the workflow in a pro studio14:23
r4yWhat I mean is that I thought that I could connect my guitar through the jack on the back of the computer14:23
holsteinr4y: the jack on the back or your computer is crap14:23
r4yI got jack and jack mixed up is what I meant14:24
holsteinr4y: you should put a piece of tape over it. or disable it in the bios.. or take it out14:24
holsteinr4y: thats a great way to improve the audio on you computer14:24
r4yI use it for stereo. I guess I need a better sound card before doing what you have suggested14:24
holsteinr4y: you can experiemnt with what you got... but you should expect problems14:25
holsteinr4y: that card is made for what it is made for, and that is *not* getting your guitar into you computer14:25
holsteinr4y: im not saying its bad.. im saying its inappropriate14:25
r4yDo you mean not being able to hear certain voicings in sounds kind of problems?, or?14:26
r4yOK, I think I know what you mean14:26
r4ysorry14:26
holsteinr4y: its likely a stereo input... and you have a mono jack... its 1/8 inch, and you have 1/4 inch... the impedance is incorrect14:26
holsteinthe list goes on... best case, you end up hearing your guitar and a nasty buzz or hu14:27
holsteinhum*14:27
holsteinthats after going to the radio shack and picking up $15 dollars worth of adapters you'll never use for anything else14:27
r4yRight, so if I was going to use the jack on the back of the computer which is mono then I should get a 1/4 sound card instead14:28
r4yI mean made for it though14:28
holsteinr4y: you should decide what you need.. how many inputs... how many preamps..14:28
holsteinmy inface has 8 preamps.. and 10 channels in/out14:28
holsteininterface*14:28
holsteinyou can get some nice USB interfaces with 2 preamps that are totally decent for under $10014:29
r4yNeat. Thank you for all the help.  It's been great talking14:29
holsteinr4y: enjoy!14:29
r4yI want to go back and read, and I need to go to bed soon.14:30
holsteinr4y: just keep in mind... $100/hour in a studio is a really good rate14:30
holsteinthe idea of taking $60 or $80 and making a clean recording is a bit unrealistic14:30
holstein$300 or so is more like it.. or just do MIDI at first with what you got14:30
r4yI would rather do home recording. I don't care if it is pro. I get it though. Cheap is cheap.14:31
r4yI just want to have fun.14:32
holsteinr4y: im not implying professional.. im implying clean14:32
holsteinr4y: theres nothing fun about a buzz or a hum14:32
r4yMy dream is simple for recording.14:32
holsteinthe price of that lightsnake and the adapters you'd need to plug your guitar in to your inapproprate sound card would get you half way to a nice USB interface14:32
r4yRecord drumming someday and play it back and play to it to play rhythms I might not otherwise be able to as one drummer14:33
holsteineh... try it with the internal mic on your laptop or something... im not trying to discourage you... im just saying, most folks try and emulate an actual drummer for a reason14:34
holsteintheres a point where it just gets too busy.. and drums are challening enough to mix around as-is14:34
holsteinanyways.. have fun!.. im out :)14:35
r4yI will TY14:35
r4yIt's been fun, thank you for talking to me14:35
edlikplease help. I upgraded to 12.04 and now I can not connect using my usb wifi adapter and have no wired connection at desktop14:35
holsteinedlik: its likely you just need to reinstall the driver.. i would try searching around, or going through the same process you did in 11.10 or 10.04... try hooking it up to wired internet temporarily..14:36
r4ySorry, maybe someone else here can help you. There is also the #ubuntu channel14:36
holsteinedlik: also, keep in mind 12.04 is not released yet, so you will likely be reffered to #ubuntu+114:37
r4ySorry, I didn't see your reply holstein14:37
r4ybye :) thank you14:37
edlikholstein: thanks, i just cant remember the steps i did before14:38
r4yThat's a lot holstein has told me. I am not sure if I completely understand all that he was saying, but I am glad I read back through what he was saying. Thank you holstein again for talking to me.15:11
r4yI made notes and quotes of what you said.15:12
r4ybye all :)15:12
* Sidewinder Thinks holstein is one righteous dude!15:12
arbielhi everybody15:41
arbielIs there here somebody to help me concerning mounting and umounting iso files without "udoing"15:41
arbielin fact, without "sudoing"15:42
arbielThe problem I experience is the following : mount records into its mtab file the target of a softlink instead of the softlink itself. "mount" mounts the file, but "umount" finds a discrepancy with mtab15:44
geirhause the "real" path in fstab15:56
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mathewjoyanybody can suggest a gud tut 4 wine?17:19
haqkingmathewjoy http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/wine17:33
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Areckxhihi19:40
JoseeAntonioRHi, Areckx!19:40
edlikplease help. I upgraded to 12.04 and now I can not connect using my usb wifi, this happened last time and I cant remember how I fixed it.20:12
aveilleuxedlik20:40
aveilleuxShoot. edlik, what did you upgrade from?20:40
edlikeveilleux: I upgraded from 11.1020:55
asterismohi people21:03
asterismoi need help with something21:03
asterismoi need to send an encrypted email with evolution21:04
asterismoi have ubuntu precise pangolin21:04
asterismoand i created a GPG key using seahorse encryption and keys application21:04
asterismoand i published my key in ubuntu keyserver21:05
asterismobut i think i have to import it back in the keyring for using with evolution.... right?21:05
asterismowhen i search for my name or email in seahorse, my key is not found21:06
asterismoso when creating mail i cannot PGP encrypt it, only sign it21:06
asterismoany help?21:06
asterismodoes anybody knows how to use GPG encryption to encrypt mails in Evolution?21:09
asterismoanyone?21:21
philipballewasterismo,21:27
philipballewwhats up!21:27
asterismo<philipballew> what's up man21:28
asterismoi'm screwed with GPG shit21:28
philipballewdoes this work?21:28
philipballewhttp://www.secure-my-email.com/clients_evolution.php21:28
asterismoi got my GPG key and uploaded to keyserver21:28
asterismobut i cannot PGP encrypt mi outgoing emails with evolution21:28
philipballewi did that once.21:28
philipballewdont loose it, thats what I did21:28
asterismobut what's the diffrerence between PGP Sign and PGP Encrypt so21:29
asterismoi can send PGP signed mails21:29
asterismonot PGP Encrypted21:30
philipballewnot sure. I have never used evolution. I wonder if they have an irc channel as well21:31
philipballewDiscussion of Evolution (development and otherwise) takes place in #evolution on irc.gimp.org according to the website, if noone answers here that is a good option21:32
asterismothat sucks21:33
asterismobig time21:34
philipballewasterismo, what sucks?21:35
philipballewI copied that from their website21:35
philipballewhttp://projects.gnome.org/evolution/21:35
philipballewbut someone should help here eventually21:36
asterismothere is no updated manual about setting up email encryption in evolution21:36
asterismothat sucks big time21:36
asterismojust google "ubuntu+evolution+GPG encryption"21:36
asterismoall is useless21:36
asterismoor old21:37
asterismoor bugs21:37
asterismono tutorial21:37
philipballewI wonder if the man page has anything21:37
asterismo<philipballew> do you know the difference between sign and encrypt? i think i know21:39
asterismobut every google post in confuse21:40
edlik1can anyone help me get my wireless dongle to work again after upgrade?21:47
jalcineSigning is like its paper counterpart, it's pro thatr21:48
haqkingasterismo, sign means sign the meail digitally to prove identity of sender (non repudiation) encrypt means to encrypt the data/message and then can only be read when decrytped21:48
jalcine*it's proof that a specific file has been authenticated by a specific key21:48
* jalcine watches haqking do his thang21:48
haqkingha not for long as haqking is ust about to sign off ;)21:48
haqkingas his typing is atrocious21:49
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