[01:43] <JonEdney> brb
[03:55] <r4y> I want to record audio from hydrogen drum machine. What programs do I use?, I want to make an audio file to put on my mp3 player so I can drum to it and learn rhythms.
[04:00] <holstein> r4y: you can export from H2 correct?
[04:00] <r4y> I am trying that right now
[04:00] <holstein> you can just fire up audacity or whatever
[04:01] <r4y> but if I remember correctly it will be only the length of a pattern or song
[04:01] <holstein> the pro way to do it it JACK.. just route it via JACK's virtual patchbay to ardour
[04:01] <holstein> r4y: then, you and cut and paste that in audacity
[04:01] <r4y> I want to record the pattern being played over and over for a minute
[04:01] <holstein> r4y: but its just going to export the song
[04:01] <holstein> r4y: you tell H2 what you want it to do, and it'll do it
[04:02] <holstein> r4y: if you have the repeat button on and theres just one bar in the "song", then thats what will export... one bar
[04:02] <holstein> r4y: feel free and ask in #opensourcemusicians
[04:02] <r4y> OK, cool, I've used jack before, but I forgot
[04:02] <r4y> TY for the input
[04:03] <holstein> r4y: JACK is really overkill for what you are doing
[04:04] <r4y> With H2 I just read there is a record button which I never noticed before. I tried it but I don't know how to retrieve any file from recording
[04:05] <holstein> r4y: i would ask folks in #opensourcemusicians about how to use H2... or reference the manual... i usually just starting messing with the audio applications, and figure it out as i go
[04:05] <holstein> i would just fire up H2 and give it a look, but im not near my studio rig right now
[04:05] <r4y> Thank you again for the help
[04:06] <r4y> It's OK. I should just keep experimenting anyways. Maybe I will learn other things along the way.
[04:10] <r4y> I just tried recording with Audacity and it is very very quiet but it recorded
[04:10] <holstein> r4y: congrats!
[04:11] <holstein> just turn up the gain somewhere, if that works for you
[04:11] <r4y> Looking
[04:11] <holstein> or grab the one measure you have, and copy and paste it
[04:11] <holstein> OR, fire up JACK... and ardour or qtractor...
[04:11] <holstein> there are lots of options
[04:11] <holstein> i would literally ask in that channel i referenced
[04:11] <holstein> stuzz over there is quite an H2 expert
[04:12] <holstein> i personally just play the actual drums... its easier for me
[04:12] <holstein> stuzz or [lsd]... or anyone over there that uses H2 more than i do will be glad to help
[04:12] <holstein> i can only say its possible by several different methods
[04:13] <holstein> anyways... goodluck!
[04:18] <r4y> I have a pattern I made up that is some what difficult in concept, but simple. I can play 2 parts with my right hand on the snare and the other part on the high-hat from practicing late last night.
[04:19] <r4y> It's 3 against 4 on the off rhythms and the snare on the back beat
[04:21] <r4y> 3 is on the on quarter notes, not the off rhythms of 3
[04:22] <bioterror> hmmmm... I should learn to use hydrogen
[04:22] <bioterror> maybe
[04:22] <bioterror> or is there a better software?
[04:26] <r4y> For money they are better programs.
[04:26] <r4y> I've heard of a program called Reason which sounds like real drums
[04:28] <r4y> It is set to have different dynamics around the dynamics programmed into it which makes it sound more like a real drummer
[04:29] <r4y> I think it requires hardware, but I am not sure. That might have been another program I was looking into which I can't remember the name of
[04:29] <r4y> I've heard of fruit loops as well
[04:30] <r4y> Gneutronica was the program I was thinking of, but I never tried it because from what I understand it requires hardware
[04:32] <r4y> http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net/
[04:32] <r4y> I had asked someone a long time ago and that person said it requires hardware
[04:34] <r4y> What's cool about hydrogen drum machine is it's free and I was able to find free drum samples to make my own drum set so it sounds better then the current one, as well as add drum samples from the add-on package for hydrogn drum machine on top of that
[04:40] <r4y> OK, so Gneutronica requires a MIDI device. O well.
[04:44] <r4y> I guess I could try out Gneutronica to see if it really requires a MIDI device in case I am wrong, because I have wondered if it does indeed require a MIDI device
[06:44] <richardlxc> i use taskwarrior
[06:44] <richardlxc> and how can i look the completed tasks
[08:11] <Areckx> grub rescue>
[08:12] <Areckx> ubuntu 12.04
[08:12] <Areckx> dell inspiron 1720
[08:12] <Areckx> entire partition
[08:13] <Areckx> network manager wasn't installed among many other packages from usb install using unetbootin (o whatevr it's called)
[08:13] <Areckx> so
[08:13] <Areckx> I downloaded linux mint 9 and did the same, said missing operating system and eventually
[08:14] <Areckx> now I can't even boot into ubuntu 12.04
[08:14] <Areckx> grub rescue is the only option?
[08:14] <Areckx> or can i try another usb method?
[08:14] <Areckx> ls
[08:15] <Areckx> (hdo) (hdo,msdos5) (hdo,msdos1) (hd1) (hd1,msdos1)
[08:16] <Areckx> ls for any of these yields
[08:16] <Areckx> error:unknown filesystem
[08:18] <bobweaver> must the time you mount them then read them
[08:19] <bobweaver> <~~knows knowings about booting usb only done it a couple of time
[08:45] <Areckx> hmm
[08:46] <Areckx> so I should read every document before installing?
[09:43] <malm> er der nogle danskere herinde som kan hjælpe mig
[10:05] <geirha> malm: #ubuntu-dk would be appropriate if you want help in danish.
[10:09] <bioterror> !dk
[10:09] <ubot2> For at få dansksproget support til Ubuntu, bedes du venligst gå til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal forefindes kun engelsksproget support.
[10:21] <malm> bioterror er du linux newbie eller haj har brug for hjælp
[13:49] <r4y> holstein was it you who tried to help me with jack control?
[13:49] <holstein> r4y: nope... i gave you several suggestions about how to get audio out of h2
[13:49] <r4y> I got it working
[13:50] <r4y> Answers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1497013&page=2
[13:50] <r4y> and
[13:50] <r4y> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack/+question/164955
[13:50] <holstein> jack control?
[13:50] <r4y> Yes
[13:50] <holstein> cool... yeah, its been working fine for me :)
[13:51] <r4y> It was not working at all for me and I have used recordmydesktop, hydrogen, and jack control all at once before
[13:51] <holstein> jack is not trivial
[13:51] <holstein> and quite overkill for what you are trying to do anyways
[13:51] <r4y> I don't know what the deal was, maybe this is a different install from what I was using
[13:52] <holstein> i *love* JACK, and use it often, and suggest it as a last resort to all casual users
[13:52] <holstein> r4y: i issue "gksudo qjackctl" as a troubleshooting step
[13:52] <r4y> I should go and write myself a tutorial for the future to use
[13:52] <holstein> if it runs as root, you know its a permissions issue
[13:52] <holstein> r4y: yeah.. til you get a new piece of hardware... or a new kernel ;)
[13:53] <r4y> I tried that though and it didn't work
[13:53] <holstein> r4y: right, so its *not* a permissions issue
[13:53] <holstein> thats a hardware or config issue
[13:53] <r4y> but it said realtime was on
[13:53] <holstein> r4y: you dont need realtime anyway
[13:53] <holstein> and, its supposed to *not* fail for realtime support anymore
[13:54] <holstein> as of 11.10
[13:54] <r4y> That must be it then. I am running 10,.04
[13:54] <holstein> r4y: me too
[13:55] <holstein> still, as root, with the RT box unchecked... all should be good
[13:55] <holstein> or is for me when i test with internal sound cards, USB, or firewire
[13:55] <holstein> still, there will never be a JACK tutorial that will work for everyone
[13:55] <holstein> the hardware cases are too specific
[13:56] <r4y> Can't wait for 12 to be offical. I only stick with what they call stable and long term releases
[13:56] <holstein> r4y: we have a live CD now.. ubuntustudio
[13:56] <r4y> what is firewire?
[13:57] <r4y> I tried Ubuntu Studio once and I didn't like it
[13:57] <holstein> r4y: ubuntustudio = ubuntu
[13:57] <holstein> r4y: firewire is an interface... kind of like USB
[13:57] <r4y> Um, what?
[13:57] <r4y> ubuntustudio = ubuntu?
[13:57] <holstein> if you go to a pro studio, they will *not* be using USB, or internal sound cards
[13:57] <holstein> r4y: its all the same repositories
[13:58] <holstein> r4y: if you open synaptic from ubuntu 10.04, and search ubuntustudio (or kubuntu, or xubuntu for that matter) you'll see they are all the same
[13:58] <r4y> OK, so Ubuntu Studio is not needed to get the same thing with Ubuntu alone, right?
[13:58] <holstein> just customized a bit, and different default package sets
[13:58] <holstein> r4y: correct.. they are *all* the same
[13:58] <holstein> just totally different ;)
[13:58] <holstein> if you get what i mean
[13:59] <r4y> I remember installing the Ubuntu studio theme as well for fun on a different install
[13:59] <holstein> regardless.. now you can download the ubuntustudio live CD.. pop it in, and use JACK and the other tools from the live CD
[14:00] <r4y> O, so jack is on the cd?, but not ubuntu unless installed after installing?
[14:01] <holstein> r4y: ubuntu is on all the CD's, kind of
[14:01] <holstein> ubuntu is the community really, and the default OS
[14:01] <holstein> r4y: you can consider ubuntu to be unity, and the "normal" default package set
[14:01] <r4y> I mean is jack on the ubuntu cd, or only the ubuntu studio cd?
[14:01] <holstein> r4y: we use XFCE now with ubuntustudio
[14:02] <holstein> r4y: JACK is on the ubuntustudio live CD
[14:02] <r4y> but not the ubuntu cd?
[14:02] <holstein> r4y: correct
[14:02] <r4y> That's neat
[14:02] <holstein> makes testing hardware a lot easier
[14:03] <r4y> Thank you for telling me. I have a hard time with English even though I am native to it and don't speak other languages.
[14:03] <holstein> no worries... anytime!
[14:04] <r4y> So Ubuntu Studio uses a different GUI called XFCE. Isn't that on xubuntu or something as well?
[14:05] <holstein> r4y: xubuntu = ubuntu = ubuntu using the XFCE desktop
[14:05] <r4y> So firewire is hardware?
[14:06] <holstein> r4y: its an interface
[14:06] <r4y> I should just Google it
[14:06] <holstein> USB is not appropriate for audio, though it is getting more appropriate
[14:07] <r4y> I thought USB was too slow for audio, so they are making how fast it works for audio better then?
[14:07] <holstein> theres a reason why professional studios cost per/hour about as much as some of those USB interfaces cost ;)
[14:08] <r4y> All I have that is USB slash audio is a guitar cable called Lightsnake which is cheap
[14:08] <holstein> r4y: im told USB 3.0 will be appropriate... it also depends on your needs... i use USB for 2 channel stereo stuff all the time
[14:09] <r4y> It took me a long time to get lightsnake to work. One of the reasons was I need to make my guitar louder for jack control
[14:09] <holstein> yup... preamps... thats another one of those tools that cost $$
[14:10] <holstein> i tell project studio users all the time to go to a studio, and take a tour.. most will show you around anytime for free
[14:10] <r4y> I mean I Googled for a year then I found IRC and found someone who told me what to do but that took me a long time so once I got it working I made a text file to know what to do in the future
[14:10] <holstein> see what they have, ask questions.. try and emulate the workflow
[14:11] <r4y> Actually I used my stereo as an amp because I don't have an amp or the money for an amp
[14:11] <holstein> no reason to try and re-invent the wheel... or try and take $15 worth of gear, and fight with it trying to make something professional sounding
[14:11] <r4y> I wasn't aiming a pro
[14:11] <r4y> I prefer drums
[14:12] <r4y> I just don't play guitar as well as I can play drums
[14:12] <r4y> I like guitar, don't get me wrong
[14:12] <holstein> recording the drums with me a similar process though.. clean signal path... decent preamp... decent mic
[14:13] <r4y> I just wanted Lightsnake to work
[14:13] <r4y> I haven' tried recording drums, but that would be great
[14:13] <r4y> That's one of the reasons I use hydrogen
[14:14] <holstein> r4y: thats a great example though... you'll *never* see a studio using one of those.. you could put that $$ toward a USB interface with decent preamps.. get a shure 57 that you can use on the drums and guitar
[14:14] <holstein> MIDI is a great place to start, since the gear doesnt really matter as much
[14:14] <holstein> the signal path is all digital and "in the box"
[14:14] <r4y> shure 57
[14:14] <r4y> Googled
[14:15] <holstein> r4y: thats a super cheap mic that'll do the job.. multi purpose, and not a waste of $$
[14:15] <r4y> TY for the help. What MIDI have you tried
[14:16] <holstein> r4y: i used to use hardware MIDI... all kinds of stuff... ive dabbled with most of the packages in the repos and then some.. [lsd] is my go-to MIDI guy though in #opensourcemusicians
[14:18] <holstein> he's an ubuntu user http://wootangent.net/category/linux/ ...has some nice tutorials there
[14:18] <r4y> What are MIDI's, I mean all I know about them is that I have a P-90 keyboard that doesn't have a MIDI for it. What else are they used for in regards to drums, guitar
[14:19] <holstein> r4y: MIDI is just an interface.. you can trigger sound with it.. you could use your guitar to trigger drum sounds for example
[14:19] <r4y> I should have asked about how they connect to computers
[14:19] <holstein> you can record that data and play it back, which is really a relatively small amount of data
[14:20] <holstein> r4y: MIDI connects however you want.. you dont need a computer really, though something electronic is implied
[14:20] <holstein> you can use the computer to record the data, and play that back, triggering an external synthesiser
[14:20] <holstein> you can use the computer to generate the sounds "software synthesiser" or "softsynths"
[14:21] <holstein> hydrogen is an example of a software synthesiser, as well as a drum machine
[14:21] <r4y> So USB?, I've seen the big fat connection on my keyboard which is kind of like s-video but big and has many more connetions at the end
[14:21] <holstein> you can connect your guitar to something in JACK like rakarrack, and have that analog sound trigger drums in hydrogen
[14:21] <holstein> thats whats so nice about JACK.. *all* of the hardware and software is connectable
[14:21] <holstein> though, mileage may vary
[14:22] <r4y> I got jack and jack mixed up when I started
[14:22] <r4y> I mean the audio jack on the back of the computer
[14:22] <holstein> r4y: you have to google around about the keyboard you have, and see if the hardware works
[14:22] <holstein> i typically just plug them in and look in lsusb or lspci, and try and find it in JACK anc connect and test
[14:23] <holstein> r4y: JACK is a virtual patchbay.. if you take that tour of your local professional studio as i suggested, or google around a bit, you'll see what a patch bay is/does, and why its so important to the workflow in a pro studio
[14:23] <r4y> What I mean is that I thought that I could connect my guitar through the jack on the back of the computer
[14:23] <holstein> r4y: the jack on the back or your computer is crap
[14:24] <r4y> I got jack and jack mixed up is what I meant
[14:24] <holstein> r4y: you should put a piece of tape over it. or disable it in the bios.. or take it out
[14:24] <holstein> r4y: thats a great way to improve the audio on you computer
[14:24] <r4y> I use it for stereo. I guess I need a better sound card before doing what you have suggested
[14:25] <holstein> r4y: you can experiemnt with what you got... but you should expect problems
[14:25] <holstein> r4y: that card is made for what it is made for, and that is *not* getting your guitar into you computer
[14:25] <holstein> r4y: im not saying its bad.. im saying its inappropriate
[14:26] <r4y> Do you mean not being able to hear certain voicings in sounds kind of problems?, or?
[14:26] <r4y> OK, I think I know what you mean
[14:26] <r4y> sorry
[14:26] <holstein> r4y: its likely a stereo input... and you have a mono jack... its 1/8 inch, and you have 1/4 inch... the impedance is incorrect
[14:27] <holstein> the list goes on... best case, you end up hearing your guitar and a nasty buzz or hu
[14:27] <holstein> hum*
[14:27] <holstein> thats after going to the radio shack and picking up $15 dollars worth of adapters you'll never use for anything else
[14:28] <r4y> Right, so if I was going to use the jack on the back of the computer which is mono then I should get a 1/4 sound card instead
[14:28] <r4y> I mean made for it though
[14:28] <holstein> r4y: you should decide what you need.. how many inputs... how many preamps..
[14:28] <holstein> my inface has 8 preamps.. and 10 channels in/out
[14:28] <holstein> interface*
[14:29] <holstein> you can get some nice USB interfaces with 2 preamps that are totally decent for under $100
[14:29] <r4y> Neat. Thank you for all the help.  It's been great talking
[14:29] <holstein> r4y: enjoy!
[14:30] <r4y> I want to go back and read, and I need to go to bed soon.
[14:30] <holstein> r4y: just keep in mind... $100/hour in a studio is a really good rate
[14:30] <holstein> the idea of taking $60 or $80 and making a clean recording is a bit unrealistic
[14:30] <holstein> $300 or so is more like it.. or just do MIDI at first with what you got
[14:31] <r4y> I would rather do home recording. I don't care if it is pro. I get it though. Cheap is cheap.
[14:32] <r4y> I just want to have fun.
[14:32] <holstein> r4y: im not implying professional.. im implying clean
[14:32] <holstein> r4y: theres nothing fun about a buzz or a hum
[14:32] <r4y> My dream is simple for recording.
[14:32] <holstein> the price of that lightsnake and the adapters you'd need to plug your guitar in to your inapproprate sound card would get you half way to a nice USB interface
[14:33] <r4y> Record drumming someday and play it back and play to it to play rhythms I might not otherwise be able to as one drummer
[14:34] <holstein> eh... try it with the internal mic on your laptop or something... im not trying to discourage you... im just saying, most folks try and emulate an actual drummer for a reason
[14:34] <holstein> theres a point where it just gets too busy.. and drums are challening enough to mix around as-is
[14:35] <holstein> anyways.. have fun!.. im out :)
[14:35] <r4y> I will TY
[14:35] <r4y> It's been fun, thank you for talking to me
[14:35] <edlik> please help. I upgraded to 12.04 and now I can not connect using my usb wifi adapter and have no wired connection at desktop
[14:36] <holstein> edlik: its likely you just need to reinstall the driver.. i would try searching around, or going through the same process you did in 11.10 or 10.04... try hooking it up to wired internet temporarily..
[14:36] <r4y> Sorry, maybe someone else here can help you. There is also the #ubuntu channel
[14:37] <holstein> edlik: also, keep in mind 12.04 is not released yet, so you will likely be reffered to #ubuntu+1
[14:37] <r4y> Sorry, I didn't see your reply holstein
[14:37] <r4y> bye :) thank you
[14:38] <edlik> holstein: thanks, i just cant remember the steps i did before
[15:11] <r4y> That's a lot holstein has told me. I am not sure if I completely understand all that he was saying, but I am glad I read back through what he was saying. Thank you holstein again for talking to me.
[15:12] <r4y> I made notes and quotes of what you said.
[15:12] <r4y> bye all :)
[15:12]  * Sidewinder Thinks holstein is one righteous dude!
[15:41] <arbiel> hi everybody
[15:41] <arbiel> Is there here somebody to help me concerning mounting and umounting iso files without "udoing"
[15:42] <arbiel> in fact, without "sudoing"
[15:44] <arbiel> The problem I experience is the following : mount records into its mtab file the target of a softlink instead of the softlink itself. "mount" mounts the file, but "umount" finds a discrepancy with mtab
[15:56] <geirha> use the "real" path in fstab
[17:19] <mathewjoy> anybody can suggest a gud tut 4 wine?
[17:33] <haqking> mathewjoy http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/wine
[19:40] <Areckx> hihi
[19:40] <JoseeAntonioR> Hi, Areckx!
[20:12] <edlik> please help. I upgraded to 12.04 and now I can not connect using my usb wifi, this happened last time and I cant remember how I fixed it.
[20:40] <aveilleux> edlik
[20:40] <aveilleux> Shoot. edlik, what did you upgrade from?
[20:55] <edlik> eveilleux: I upgraded from 11.10
[21:03] <asterismo> hi people
[21:03] <asterismo> i need help with something
[21:04] <asterismo> i need to send an encrypted email with evolution
[21:04] <asterismo> i have ubuntu precise pangolin
[21:04] <asterismo> and i created a GPG key using seahorse encryption and keys application
[21:05] <asterismo> and i published my key in ubuntu keyserver
[21:05] <asterismo> but i think i have to import it back in the keyring for using with evolution.... right?
[21:06] <asterismo> when i search for my name or email in seahorse, my key is not found
[21:06] <asterismo> so when creating mail i cannot PGP encrypt it, only sign it
[21:06] <asterismo> any help?
[21:09] <asterismo> does anybody knows how to use GPG encryption to encrypt mails in Evolution?
[21:21] <asterismo> anyone?
[21:27] <philipballew> asterismo,
[21:27] <philipballew> whats up!
 what's up man
[21:28] <asterismo> i'm screwed with GPG shit
[21:28] <philipballew> does this work?
[21:28] <philipballew> http://www.secure-my-email.com/clients_evolution.php
[21:28] <asterismo> i got my GPG key and uploaded to keyserver
[21:28] <asterismo> but i cannot PGP encrypt mi outgoing emails with evolution
[21:28] <philipballew> i did that once.
[21:28] <philipballew> dont loose it, thats what I did
[21:29] <asterismo> but what's the diffrerence between PGP Sign and PGP Encrypt so
[21:29] <asterismo> i can send PGP signed mails
[21:30] <asterismo> not PGP Encrypted
[21:31] <philipballew> not sure. I have never used evolution. I wonder if they have an irc channel as well
[21:32] <philipballew> Discussion of Evolution (development and otherwise) takes place in #evolution on irc.gimp.org according to the website, if noone answers here that is a good option
[21:33] <asterismo> that sucks
[21:34] <asterismo> big time
[21:35] <philipballew> asterismo, what sucks?
[21:35] <philipballew> I copied that from their website
[21:35] <philipballew> http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/
[21:36] <philipballew> but someone should help here eventually
[21:36] <asterismo> there is no updated manual about setting up email encryption in evolution
[21:36] <asterismo> that sucks big time
[21:36] <asterismo> just google "ubuntu+evolution+GPG encryption"
[21:36] <asterismo> all is useless
[21:37] <asterismo> or old
[21:37] <asterismo> or bugs
[21:37] <asterismo> no tutorial
[21:37] <philipballew> I wonder if the man page has anything
 do you know the difference between sign and encrypt? i think i know
[21:40] <asterismo> but every google post in confuse
[21:47] <edlik1> can anyone help me get my wireless dongle to work again after upgrade?
[21:48] <jalcine> Signing is like its paper counterpart, it's pro thatr
[21:48] <haqking> asterismo, sign means sign the meail digitally to prove identity of sender (non repudiation) encrypt means to encrypt the data/message and then can only be read when decrytped
[21:48] <jalcine> *it's proof that a specific file has been authenticated by a specific key
[21:48]  * jalcine watches haqking do his thang
[21:48] <haqking> ha not for long as haqking is ust about to sign off ;)
[21:49] <haqking> as his typing is atrocious