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| slangasek | cjwatson: yeah, so it's possible that the submitter marked it private after filing it and now I can't read it... oh well :P | 02:10 |
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| slangasek | dupondje: we're certainly not going to upgrade to a new upstream version of cryptsetup before precise is out, no | 02:11 |
| ScottK | dobey: Please have someone test the python-qt4 in precise-proposed so we can figure out if it does the job for you. | 03:58 |
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| Nafallo | infinity: ping ;-) | 15:41 |
| infinity | Nafallo: pong. | 15:44 |
| Nafallo | infinity: hi. just updated the bug about dovecot-antispam. | 15:44 |
| Nafallo | infinity: the package just needs a rebuild against the current version of dovecot basically. | 15:45 |
| infinity | Nafallo: How does it fail? I just tested here and it WFM... | 15:45 |
| infinity | Nafallo: (By installing it and enabling it...) | 15:45 |
| infinity | Nafallo: Am I missing something special required to reproduce this? | 15:45 |
| Nafallo | nafallo@phoenix:/etc$ grep antispam /var/log/syslog | head | 15:46 |
| Nafallo | Apr 15 13:51:38 phoenix dovecot: imap: Error: Module is for different version 2.0.15: /usr/lib/dovecot/modules/lib90_antispam_plugin.so | 15:46 |
| Nafallo | we use 1:2.0.19-0ubuntu1 | 15:46 |
| infinity | Apr 15 09:39:05 cthulhu dovecot: master: Dovecot v2.0.19 starting up (core dumps disabled) | 15:47 |
| infinity | I get no whining about antispam at all. Weird... | 15:47 |
| Nafallo | hrm. I'm fairly certain I had debug of the plugin turned on when I got that. | 15:47 |
| infinity | Are yoy doing something other than just enabling it in mail_plugins? | 15:47 |
| Nafallo | ehrm. it does nothing unless you configure it under the plugin { stanza... | 15:48 |
| infinity | If it's just a debug message, but not an actual failure... | 15:48 |
| infinity | Well, sure, it does nothing, but it loads. | 15:48 |
| Nafallo | well, it didn't work... I got that message, rebuilt it against current dovecot, and things are working now :-) | 15:49 |
| infinity | Ahh, here we go. | 15:49 |
| Nafallo | it has to be built against the dovecot you want to use AFAICT | 15:49 |
| infinity | Yeah, it's broken in that regard. Just found the Debian bug. | 15:50 |
| infinity | And syncing a version that actual sets the hard dep. | 15:50 |
| Nafallo | hrm. I tried the debian sid version, and our dovecot is newer :-P | 15:50 |
| Nafallo | if that's what you're doing... | 15:51 |
| infinity | Eh? | 15:51 |
| Nafallo | the sid version is for 2.0.18 I think... | 15:51 |
| infinity | I'm syncing 2.0+20120225-2, which actually sets sane deps on the version it's built against. | 15:51 |
| Nafallo | it's sane for dovecot 2.0.18, not 2.0.19 ;-) | 15:52 |
| Nafallo | you're just going to make it uninstallable | 15:52 |
| infinity | Nafallo: It's set dynamically at build time... | 15:53 |
| infinity | Nafallo: We don't sync binaries, we sync source. | 15:53 |
| Nafallo | oh. hrm. I must have misread the source then :-) | 15:54 |
| Nafallo | I did grab the source and eyed the control file :-) | 15:54 |
| infinity | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, dovecot-imapd (>= ${dovecot:Version}), | 15:55 |
| infinity | dovecot-imapd (<< ${dovecot:Version}.) | 15:55 |
| infinity | DOVECOT_VERSION = $(shell V="$$(dpkg-query -W -f='$${Version}' dovecot-dev)"; echo "$${V%-*}" | 15:55 |
| infinity | Nafallo: You on amd64? | 15:56 |
| Nafallo | i386 for that server | 15:56 |
| Nafallo | but yeah, I checked the diff now :-) | 15:56 |
| infinity | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot-antispam/2.0+20120225-2/+build/3408319/+files/dovecot-antispam_2.0%2B20120225-2_i386.deb | 15:56 |
| infinity | ^-- Give that a spin, then. | 15:56 |
| Nafallo | totally missed that, and I totally agree with syncing :-) | 15:56 |
| infinity | If that fixes it, bug closed. | 15:56 |
| * Nafallo waits for mail | 15:59 | |
| infinity | Which mail would that be? | 16:00 |
| infinity | Oh, to test your server. :P | 16:00 |
| infinity | nafallo@magial? | 16:00 |
| infinity | But spelled right. | 16:00 |
| Nafallo | magicalforest.net :-) | 16:01 |
| infinity | Yeah, already sent. | 16:01 |
| Nafallo | right. now that postfix is "fixed" again, this should work better. | 16:01 |
| Nafallo | for some reason postgrey isn't playing ball. | 16:02 |
| infinity | I wonder if that's a dovecot or -antispam bug/misfeature. Cause requiring exact version matches is insane. | 16:02 |
| Nafallo | yeah, seems to be working now :-) | 16:02 |
| infinity | Right, I'll let you do the bug closure honors, since you tested it. :P | 16:03 |
| Nafallo | cheers :-) | 16:03 |
| infinity | And sorry about pulling rank. I get anal when we near release week. | 16:03 |
| infinity | And review everything. Even crap I don't have to. :P | 16:04 |
| Nafallo | no worries. I like this fix better. | 16:04 |
| Nafallo | I'm avoiding karma ;-) | 16:04 |
| infinity | Hah. | 16:04 |
| infinity | A bit late for me to do that. | 16:05 |
| Nafallo | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), dovecot-imapd (>= 1:2.0.19), dovecot-imapd (<< 1:2.0.19.) | 16:05 |
| Nafallo | not sure what that dot is doing there... but bother! :-P | 16:05 |
| infinity | The dot is there to allow for the next minor version up. | 16:05 |
| infinity | Clever hack. Ish. | 16:06 |
| Nafallo | aaah, I see. | 16:06 |
| infinity | Or rather, "everything but the next one up"... So, should all for Debian revisions. | 16:06 |
| Nafallo | right :-) | 16:06 |
| infinity | s/all/allow/ | 16:06 |
| infinity | I haven't slept in a couple of days. | 16:06 |
| infinity | I'm a bit loopy. | 16:06 |
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| Nafallo | now we just need to remember to rebuild this damn package if we ever upgrade dovecot :-P | 16:06 |
| infinity | Yeah. On every new major, it looks like. | 16:07 |
| infinity | So silly. | 16:07 |
| infinity | Someone should just fix it (or dovecot, whichever is broken). | 16:07 |
| infinity | I'm assuming the plugin is at fault here. | 16:07 |
| infinity | I can't imagine that dovecot breaks ABI on every release and forces plugins to rebuild. | 16:07 |
| Nafallo | I think this plugin is moving to the dovecot vcs server, so hopefully this can be in the tarball or something. | 16:08 |
| infinity | That would kinda defeat the whole point of out-of-tree plugins. | 16:08 |
| Nafallo | agreed | 16:08 |
| infinity | I guess I should be glad I don't use any plugins, so I don't have to know who to blame. :P | 16:09 |
| Nafallo | hah | 16:10 |
| Nafallo | well, I guess you don't use mail on your mobile either then ;-) | 16:10 |
| infinity | I'm not sure I follow. :P | 16:10 |
| * Nafallo declares victory on anti-spam server-side. | 16:10 | |
| infinity | I do my spam filtering at SMTP time, like a sane person. | 16:11 |
| Nafallo | that is server-side ;-) | 16:11 |
| Nafallo | and I've got that to now :-) | 16:11 |
| Nafallo | and with dovecot-antispam, thunderbird can train dspam for me ;-) | 16:11 |
| JanC | Nafallo: do you know about a way to do that with Evolution? | 16:13 |
| Nafallo | JanC: I haven't used evolution in years, so I'm rusty. | 16:13 |
| Nafallo | JanC: all it is really is thunderbird moving spams into "Junk". with the plugin infinity and I discussed, that's all I need to retrain mail. | 16:14 |
| JanC | hm | 16:14 |
| JanC | I might want to look into that then | 16:14 |
| JanC | or maybe Thunderbird/Mozilla fixed all the bugs that made me switch to Evolution years ago... | 16:15 |
| infinity | Thunderbird's fairly shiny, still a bit heavy, though. | 16:16 |
| infinity | But don't listen to me, my solution to bloated mail clients is to use mutt. | 16:16 |
| JanC | when I last looked, some of those Mozilla/Thunderbird bugs had been open for 10+ years... | 16:16 |
| JanC | at least Evolution does things more or less correctly (in between crashes) | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | 10+-year-old bugs are a sign of a 10+-year-old project. | 16:17 |
| infinity | From the POV of "correct", I find Thunderbird to be a pretty well-behaved IMAP client. | 16:18 |
| infinity | I just prefer mutt because it's lightweight. | 16:18 |
| JanC | they were 10 years old 2 or 3 years ago ;) | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | Then it's the sign of a 12- or 13-year-old project. :-) | 16:19 |
| JanC | cjwatson: sure, but if they hurt everyday use more than Evolution then that's a bad sign IMHO ;) | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | I'm not in a position to judge, since I'm a mutt user too. I just tend to knee-jerk at the "oh no, it has old bugs" criticism. | 16:25 |
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| JanC | cjwatson: do you consider a a mail client that doesn't allow you to edit a plain text text mail properly before sending it "usable"...? ;) | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | JanC: I'm not in a position to say whether Thunderbird has that bug in general or whether it's in specific cases, so don't try to draw me into making pronouncements. :-) | 16:42 |
| JanC | it has that bug in certain cases (most obviously when replying to a HTML mail), but I consider that a serious bug in every case... | 16:44 |
| JanC | it also does things like rewrap plain text mails after you hit the "send" button and such | 16:45 |
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| kklimonda | JanC: so we just have to make Evolution crash less, and make its interface not suck so badly, and we can go back ? that should be easy ;) | 17:44 |
| JanC | kklimonda: and make it use less memory ;) | 17:44 |
| JanC | the interface isn't worse than Thunderbird BTW | 17:45 |
| kklimonda | JanC: well, that's easy to fix - just add another memory stick ;) | 17:45 |
| JanC | kklimonda: that doesn't make it use less memory ;) | 17:45 |
| kklimonda | JanC: but it can leak more! ;) | 17:46 |
| JanC | hehe | 17:46 |
| JanC | well, at least there are workarounds for memory leaks (restarting evolution) | 17:46 |
| JanC | those workarounds don't exist for the fundamental bugs in thunderbird... | 17:47 |
| JanC | (AFAIK) | 17:47 |
| JanC | it's inconventient, but not as embarrassing as sending mail that doesn't look as intended ;) | 17:48 |
| penguin42 | JanC: GUI Mail clients that get plain text sending right are probably in the minority | 17:51 |
| JanC | penguin42: surprisingly, Evolution does | 17:51 |
| JanC | AFAIK ;) | 17:52 |
| penguin42 | possibly, not used it - but as I say, it's rare | 17:55 |
| JanC | I never had/saw any problems with it | 17:55 |
| JanC | actually, Netscape Mails 4.x did those things correctly too | 17:55 |
| JanC | 17:55 | |
| JanC | they broke this in the open source Netscape/Mozilla fork | 17:56 |
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| hyperair | i think open source GUI mail clients tend to get plain text sending right. | 18:27 |
| hyperair | it's the proprietary ones that end up with oddities | 18:27 |
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| kklimonda | JanC: huh, wrt evolution in precise, it seems pretty broken to me - I can't select text in html messages properly ;) | 19:29 |
| JanC | kklimonda: I use the html-to-plain-text plugin, so I never see any HTML messages ;) | 19:31 |
| kklimonda | I guess it's a solution of some sort ;) | 19:32 |
| JanC | so, maybe Thunderbird works with HTML mail, Evolution works with plain text, pick whatever you want ;) | 19:33 |
| kklimonda | but it looks like something broke - even with plain text emails I don't see them on a white background.. | 19:34 |
| kklimonda | damn, I can't figure out how to reset settings | 19:34 |
| kklimonda | evolution is like a weed, it stores settings just about everywhere ;) | 19:34 |
| JanC | kklimonda: it worked for me yesterday (or Friday?) | 19:34 |
| JanC | anyway | 19:35 |
| JanC | Evolution probably needs refactoring etc. | 19:35 |
| JanC | and more than 0.75 developers working on it | 19:35 |
| kklimonda | right | 19:36 |
| kklimonda | that's the main problem | 19:36 |
| kklimonda | if only Canonical.. *whistles* | 19:36 |
| JanC | but considering all that, it's a shame Thunderbird can't match Evolution on so many points with probably 20 full-time developers... | 19:37 |
| kklimonda | lol | 19:37 |
| kklimonda | Thunderbird is actually being actively developed by Mozilla devs? | 19:37 |
| kklimonda | I've always thought it was more of a community project | 19:37 |
| JanC | there are several Mozilla devs paid to work on it, yes | 19:38 |
| hyperair | imo evolution can't match thunderbird on a lot of points, though.. | 19:38 |
| JanC | and vice versa ;) | 19:39 |
| hyperair | using evolution makes me think that i'm the only one in the world accessing a gmail account over a crappy network. | 19:39 |
| JanC | it just depends on what features you need | 19:39 |
| hyperair | like proper imap access? | 19:39 |
| JanC | evolution has proper imap4 access | 19:39 |
| hyperair | so it claims | 19:39 |
| hyperair | and so every other mail client i've tried so far claim. | 19:40 |
| JanC | although gmail doesn't have proper imap4 servers ;) | 19:40 |
| hyperair | but only thunderbird gets it right | 19:40 |
| kklimonda | damn, broken on a guest account too | 19:40 |
| hyperair | claws gets completely paralyzed | 19:40 |
| kklimonda | how!! it's been only few months since 11.10 and it worked fine.. | 19:40 |
| kklimonda | argh | 19:40 |
| hyperair | evolution.. not as copmletely paralyzed, but almost just as bad. | 19:40 |
| JanC | gmail is about the worst e-mail client I ever used :P | 19:41 |
| hyperair | JanC: maybe. and i'm guessing outlook.com's imap isn't perfect either.. | 19:41 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: the problem is gmail isn't a proper imap server ;) | 19:41 |
| hyperair | i like gmail's labels. too bad they don't work that well over imap. | 19:41 |
| hyperair | kklimonda: and neither is outlook.com, i suppose? | 19:41 |
| hyperair | kklimonda: from my experience nothing handles imap like thunderbird does. | 19:41 |
| hyperair | even with my university's mail account | 19:42 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: come on, Microsoft added IMAP support only so people can't complain | 19:42 |
| JanC | hyperair: I don't know about outlook.com, but the Exchange IMAP4 server is quite good AFAIK... | 19:42 |
| hyperair | heh | 19:42 |
| hyperair | JanC: except that it didn't work out quite so well via evolution either | 19:42 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: have you seen how bad is imap support in outlook? it's obvious they are pushing exchange by making alternatives suck more ;) | 19:42 |
| hyperair | really, i leave evolution downloading mail headers through the night | 19:42 |
| hyperair | next morning, i click on another folder | 19:42 |
| hyperair | and click back | 19:43 |
| hyperair | and then... | 19:43 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: wow, how many mails do you have? :) | 19:43 |
| ScottK | IMAP is a twisty turny maze of RFCs and all look alike, so it's tough to get both a client and a server well implemented. | 19:43 |
| hyperair | ...it downloads *EVERY* single mail header *AGAIN* | 19:43 |
| kklimonda | weird | 19:43 |
| hyperair | evolution and claws both make me feel like pulling my hair out, just because of their crappy imap access | 19:43 |
| JanC | kklimonda: outlook being bad doesn't mean exchange is bad ;) | 19:45 |
| JanC | traditional IMAP isn't very useful for mobiles | 19:46 |
| hyperair | kklimonda: 40,301 emails, apparently. | 19:46 |
| JanC | so thre are extentions for that | 19:46 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: and they all sit in your inbox? :) | 19:46 |
| hyperair | kklimonda: no hang on, that's the count of gmail conversations. i have no idea how many emails there actually are.. | 19:46 |
| hyperair | kklimonda: nah, that's in total | 19:46 |
| hyperair | the all mail folder | 19:46 |
| hyperair | i guess i could unsubscribe, but after that there's no real way of sending mail there from evolution | 19:47 |
| JanC | 40k mails is peanuts ;) | 19:47 |
| JanC | you get that after 1-2 months on LKML... :P | 19:47 |
| hyperair | JanC: tell that to evolution, which barfs when fetching them. | 19:47 |
| kklimonda | JanC: I use gmane for mailing lists ;) | 19:48 |
| hyperair | okay, thunderbird reports 115238 | 19:48 |
| JanC | I've never seen Evolution barf on # of mails | 19:48 |
| JanC | it's slow, yes | 19:49 |
| hyperair | good for you | 19:49 |
| hyperair | now time out a couple of connections and see how evolution handles them | 19:49 |
| JanC | hyperair: you restart it ;) | 19:49 |
| hyperair | see, apparently i'm the only evolution user who lives on a university campus with idiots manning the network. | 19:49 |
| hyperair | JanC: ah yes, evolution --force-shutdown. that was my favourite command during that time | 19:50 |
| hyperair | that reminds me, it used to hang my gnome-panel clock applet thing due to network calendars | 19:50 |
| JanC | my main point is that you can't work around the bugs in Thunderbird, while Evolution has --force-shutdown to :P | 19:50 |
| JanC | to solve things | 19:50 |
| hyperair | ¬_¬" | 19:51 |
| hyperair | that's not a solution | 19:51 |
| hyperair | you force-shutdown, start downloading mail all over again | 19:51 |
| hyperair | and then it times out again | 19:51 |
| hyperair | and you force-shutdown again | 19:51 |
| JanC | hyperair: it's better than nothing, right? | 19:51 |
| hyperair | rinse and repeat. | 19:51 |
| JanC | I never saw it time-out | 19:51 |
| hyperair | JanC: but it *is* nothing. you repeat that process over and over and it never completes. | 19:51 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: and how well does thunderbird support calendars? ;) | 19:51 |
| hyperair | kklimonda: really well, with lightning | 19:51 |
| kklimonda | too bad it's not in main ;) | 19:52 |
| hyperair | yeah, too bad. | 19:52 |
| kklimonda | (I'm actually surprised that they've decided not to demote evolution to universe, and not promote lightning to main) | 19:52 |
| JanC | hyperair: the main point is that Thunderbird doesn't allow me to do what I want, and Evolution does, with an occasional restart | 19:53 |
| kklimonda | I guess calendar is not shiney enough to ship it by default.. | 19:53 |
| JanC | I'd prefer a better mail client of course :P | 19:53 |
| hyperair | that thing ought to be killed with fire. i swear the devs thought that everybody used a rock-solid internet connection that moved blazingly fast. | 19:53 |
| hyperair | JanC: what do you want, anyway? | 19:54 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: I'm not a huge fan of Evolution but people seem to use it over thunderbird in companies (at least the few I've heard of ;)) | 19:55 |
| hyperair | kklimonda: that's because thunderbird doesn't have MAPI/Exchange support, right? | 19:56 |
| hyperair | (people also tend to use Windows in companies). | 19:56 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: it's not like evolution supports it that well ;) | 19:56 |
| hyperair | well i suppose evolution in the office is rather bearable, when you think about it.. | 19:57 |
| hyperair | mail server on the local network.. | 19:57 |
| hyperair | blazing fast local network.. | 19:57 |
| kklimonda | :) | 19:57 |
| hyperair | actually reliable local network.. | 19:57 |
| hyperair | see, it's all about the network | 19:57 |
| hyperair | evolution behaves like the network is infallible | 19:57 |
| hyperair | a few cycles back, it used to turn grey every time a few packets got dropped | 19:58 |
| hyperair | recently it's been better, but i just get a crapton of those progress things at the bottom that take forever to time out, and don't progress either. | 19:58 |
| JanC | My IMAP server is in Germany, while I'm in Belgium, so I'm not in a LAN ;) | 19:59 |
| kklimonda | sure, but have you tried using Evolution over flaky edge connection? ;) | 19:59 |
| JanC | probably not | 20:00 |
| JanC | maybe Mozilla got that implemented better? | 20:01 |
| kklimonda | definitely | 20:01 |
| kklimonda | evolution has problems with terminating stalled connections | 20:01 |
| JanC | but that doesn't excuse their lack of support for other features... :-/ | 20:01 |
| hyperair | like? | 20:01 |
| JanC | i think I listed several of them before? | 20:02 |
| hyperair | i only read something about html.. | 20:02 |
| hyperair | er html-to-text? | 20:02 |
| hyperair | which is also present in thunderbird | 20:02 |
| JanC | hyperair: actually, their editor doesn't support plain text mails properly | 20:02 |
| kklimonda | "edit plain text before sending" | 20:02 |
| hyperair | JanC: how so? | 20:03 |
| hyperair | i've been sending plain text mails for a couple of years now using thunderbird | 20:03 |
| JanC | hyperair: unless they fixed that recently :P | 20:03 |
| hyperair | i wouldn't call a couple of years recent... | 20:03 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: you have to jump through the hoops to send git patches without TB breaking them | 20:03 |
| hyperair | kklimonda: ah, is this about line-wrapping? | 20:04 |
| JanC | among other things | 20:04 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: last time I've tried setting it up I've had to change two or three options in about:config and then TB was still displaying content wrongly (it was sending it properly though afair) | 20:04 |
| JanC | it does other things it shouldn't do | 20:04 |
| kklimonda | hyperair: well, that's one complain for TB I can think of right now :) | 20:04 |
| JanC | it should leave plain text mails alone, period | 20:05 |
| hyperair | hmm i like the line-wrapping though.. | 20:05 |
| JanC | hyperair: Evolution has line-wrapping when you want it | 20:06 |
| hyperair | besides that, i think it mostly leaves my plain-text mail alone. | 20:06 |
| hyperair | JanC: right, but i haven't seen any differences between evolution's and thunderbird's patch handling | 20:06 |
| JanC | hyperair: you must be lucky ;) | 20:06 |
| JanC | hyperair: now try to reply to a HTML mail with a plain text mail... ;) | 20:07 |
| hyperair | JanC: works for me. | 20:08 |
| hyperair | am i supposed to see something wrong? | 20:08 |
| JanC | but does it work for you recipients? | 20:08 |
| hyperair | yeah it does | 20:08 |
| hyperair | they just get it in plain text. | 20:08 |
| JanC | that would be a serious improvement over previous behaviour of Thunderbird then | 20:09 |
| hyperair | i guess | 20:09 |
| hyperair | open source projects tend to move fairly quickly | 20:09 |
| hyperair | evolution aside | 20:09 |
| JanC | hyperair: if you think pre-2000 bugs being fixed in the last 1-2 years is "quickly", maybe :P | 20:10 |
| JanC | even Evoltiuon bugs get fixed fatser | 20:10 |
| hyperair | heh :P | 20:10 |
| hyperair | i think it's an issue of *which* bugs | 20:11 |
| kklimonda | JanC: come on, it's not like evolution has no old bugs opened ;) | 20:11 |
| JanC | kklimonda: it might well have, but most of them don't impact me as much as the long-time Thunderbird/Mozilla-bugs do/did | 20:12 |
| JanC | actually, many Thunderbird bugs are older than Evolution | 20:13 |
| hyperair | that may just mean that the new bugs are fixed faster | 20:13 |
| JanC | which is not useful ;) | 20:14 |
| hyperair | well think about it. i'm sure you've seen horribly complicated X bugs that never get fixed lying around in Ubuntu. | 20:14 |
| JanC | anyway, I think the point is that no mail client is really good | 20:14 |
| hyperair | yeah | 20:14 |
| hyperair | i think claws would be great if it didn't get screwed over by a bad network | 20:15 |
| JanC | one good point of claws seemed to be that it didn't need insane amounts of RAM | 20:15 |
| hyperair | hmm yeah | 20:22 |
| hyperair | actually it did for me | 20:22 |
| hyperair | it actually hit 200-300M | 20:22 |
| hyperair | which was better than thunderbird, which is happily sitting around 500M here | 20:22 |
| hyperair | oh it's 362M now hmm | 20:22 |
| JanC | Evolution needs are expressed in GiB on my (64-bit) system | 20:25 |
| dupondje | To join the conversation, I really miss descent LDAP support in TB | 20:28 |
| JanC | dupondje: how well is LDAP support in Evolution currently? (AFAIK it wasn't bad in the past, but...) | 20:33 |
| dupondje | no idea on the current status | 20:33 |
| dupondje | but there was read-write support a year ago | 20:33 |
| dupondje | which still isnt in TB | 20:33 |
| dupondje | And evolution got a nice LDAP schema, Mozilla made one, but still Alpha | 20:34 |
| JanC | if unless somebody broke it, it probably still works ;) | 20:34 |
| kklimonda | damn, how was the gnu tool for browsing through C projects called? it started with C afair | 20:34 |
| JanC | so* | 20:34 |
| kklimonda | cscope! | 20:35 |
| JanC | ☺ | 20:35 |
| verwilst | hi | 20:36 |
| verwilst | any knows why dlm-pcmk has been removed from precise? | 20:36 |
| dupondje | Hi mr verwilst :) | 20:36 |
| dupondje | verwilst: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redhat-cluster source is still there .. but the bin is not build | 20:38 |
| verwilst | hi dupondje | 20:38 |
| verwilst | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=dlm-pcmk&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all | 20:38 |
| verwilst | it's been there up until precise | 20:38 |
| verwilst | clustering under linux is sucky enough without missing modules :D | 20:38 |
| dupondje | * Drop dlm-pcmk and gfs-pcmk. | 20:39 |
| dupondje | - debian/control: Drop control rules for such packages. | 20:39 |
| dupondje | - debian/{gfs,dlm}-pcmk.install: Dropped | 20:39 |
| verwilst | yes, but why :P | 20:39 |
| kklimonda | verwilst: ask roaksoax, he's the one who's uploaded the package which dropped it | 20:39 |
| verwilst | roaksoax, ^^ :P | 20:39 |
| JanC | heh, all these belgians here suddenly... :P | 20:40 |
| dupondje | invasion | 20:42 |
| JanC | would be useful if you guys worked for ubuntu-be locoteam too, from time to time ;) | 20:43 |
| dupondje | verwilst: if I look good the dlm-pcmk is now in another git, and not more included in the cluster source | 20:46 |
| dupondje | JanC: where you need help in the locoteam ? :) | 20:47 |
| verwilst | myeah ok, but that doesnt bring back my ability to use clvm with corosync ;) | 20:47 |
| dupondje | you asked for the reason ;) | 20:47 |
| dupondje | could try to create a package from the new source | 20:49 |
| dupondje | and get it into Precise | 20:49 |
| verwilst | but there must be a reason why | 20:51 |
| dupondje | because the source split up? :) | 20:52 |
| JanC | dupondje: you should join #ubuntu-be and/or our mailing list for that, but maybe you can help with an Ubuntu Global Jam event or such? | 20:54 |
| * JanC goes to sleep now but will check back on that tomorrow... | 20:56 | |
| dupondje | verwilst: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#NBS | 20:57 |
| verwilst | hm | 20:57 |
| verwilst | dupondje, heb je de link van de nieuwe repo? | 20:58 |
| dupondje | source split up, new package was uploaded without pcmk, but no new package created for pcmk ... | 20:59 |
| dupondje | new repo ? | 20:59 |
| verwilst | location of the pcmk code :) | 21:00 |
| verwilst | " if I look good the dlm-pcmk is now in another git," | 21:00 |
| dupondje | https://fedorahosted.org/cluster/wiki/HomePage | 21:01 |
| dupondje | http://www.redhat.com/archives/cluster-devel/2009-January/msg00013.html | 21:03 |
| verwilst | bleh | 21:07 |
| verwilst | so cluster is at 3.1.7 ( 3.1.8 is latest ), and i guess the dlm.git is version.. 3.99.2? | 21:08 |
| dupondje | http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=cluster.git;a=tree;f=group/dlm_controld;h=23322874fb5a3686f56b68f28eab1206dff9370c;hb=e2fe317d5e1c313f5bece465e0e703b0548d50cf | 21:14 |
| dupondje | seems there is still dlm, but without pacemaker support... | 21:14 |
| verwilst | i've mailed the redhat guy | 21:16 |
| verwilst | http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=dlm.git | 21:16 |
| verwilst | this ranks as a solid 8 on my suckiness scale! | 21:16 |
| wolfslord | I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 with Gnome-shell. Installed gnome-tweak-tool and changed mouse theme to adwaita but cursor only changes when selecting, loading, resizing, etc | 21:33 |
| wolfslord | but the normal mouse is still the same | 21:34 |
| wolfslord | Does anyone knows how to chenge that? | 21:34 |
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