[02:10] <slangasek> cjwatson: yeah, so it's possible that the submitter marked it private after filing it and now I can't read it... oh well :P
[02:11] <slangasek> dupondje: we're certainly not going to upgrade to a new upstream version of cryptsetup before precise is out, no
[03:58] <ScottK> dobey: Please have someone test the python-qt4 in precise-proposed so we can figure out if it does the job for you.
[15:41] <Nafallo> infinity: ping ;-)
[15:44] <infinity> Nafallo: pong.
[15:44] <Nafallo> infinity: hi. just updated the bug about dovecot-antispam.
[15:45] <Nafallo> infinity: the package just needs a rebuild against the current version of dovecot basically.
[15:45] <infinity> Nafallo: How does it fail?  I just tested here and it WFM...
[15:45] <infinity> Nafallo: (By installing it and enabling it...)
[15:45] <infinity> Nafallo: Am I missing something special required to reproduce this?
[15:46] <Nafallo> nafallo@phoenix:/etc$ grep antispam /var/log/syslog | head
[15:46] <Nafallo> Apr 15 13:51:38 phoenix dovecot: imap: Error: Module is for different version 2.0.15: /usr/lib/dovecot/modules/lib90_antispam_plugin.so
[15:46] <Nafallo> we use 1:2.0.19-0ubuntu1
[15:47] <infinity> Apr 15 09:39:05 cthulhu dovecot: master: Dovecot v2.0.19 starting up (core dumps disabled)
[15:47] <infinity> I get no whining about antispam at all.  Weird...
[15:47] <Nafallo> hrm. I'm fairly certain I had debug of the plugin turned on when I got that.
[15:47] <infinity> Are yoy doing something other than just enabling it in mail_plugins?
[15:48] <Nafallo> ehrm. it does nothing unless you configure it under the plugin { stanza...
[15:48] <infinity> If it's just a debug message, but not an actual failure...
[15:48] <infinity> Well, sure, it does nothing, but it loads.
[15:49] <Nafallo> well, it didn't work... I got that message, rebuilt it against current dovecot, and things are working now :-)
[15:49] <infinity> Ahh, here we go.
[15:49] <Nafallo> it has to be built against the dovecot you want to use AFAICT
[15:50] <infinity> Yeah, it's broken in that regard.  Just found the Debian bug.
[15:50] <infinity> And syncing a version that actual sets the hard dep.
[15:50] <Nafallo> hrm. I tried the debian sid version, and our dovecot is newer :-P
[15:51] <Nafallo> if that's what you're doing...
[15:51] <infinity> Eh?
[15:51] <Nafallo> the sid version is for 2.0.18 I think...
[15:51] <infinity> I'm syncing 2.0+20120225-2, which actually sets sane deps on the version it's built against.
[15:52] <Nafallo> it's sane for dovecot 2.0.18, not 2.0.19 ;-)
[15:52] <Nafallo> you're just going to make it uninstallable
[15:53] <infinity> Nafallo: It's set dynamically at build time...
[15:53] <infinity> Nafallo: We don't sync binaries, we sync source.
[15:54] <Nafallo> oh. hrm. I must have misread the source then :-)
[15:54] <Nafallo> I did grab the source and eyed the control file :-)
[15:55] <infinity> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, dovecot-imapd (>= ${dovecot:Version}),
[15:55] <infinity>                             dovecot-imapd (<< ${dovecot:Version}.)
[15:55] <infinity> DOVECOT_VERSION = $(shell V="$$(dpkg-query -W -f='$${Version}' dovecot-dev)"; echo "$${V%-*}"
[15:56] <infinity> Nafallo: You on amd64?
[15:56] <Nafallo> i386 for that server
[15:56] <Nafallo> but yeah, I checked the diff now :-)
[15:56] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot-antispam/2.0+20120225-2/+build/3408319/+files/dovecot-antispam_2.0%2B20120225-2_i386.deb
[15:56] <infinity> ^-- Give that a spin, then.
[15:56] <Nafallo> totally missed that, and I totally agree with syncing :-)
[15:56] <infinity> If that fixes it, bug closed.
[15:59]  * Nafallo waits for mail
[16:00] <infinity> Which mail would that be?
[16:00] <infinity> Oh, to test your server. :P
[16:00] <infinity> nafallo@magial?
[16:00] <infinity> But spelled right.
[16:01] <Nafallo> magicalforest.net :-)
[16:01] <infinity> Yeah, already sent.
[16:01] <Nafallo> right. now that postfix is "fixed" again, this should work better.
[16:02] <Nafallo> for some reason postgrey isn't playing ball.
[16:02] <infinity> I wonder if that's a dovecot or -antispam bug/misfeature.  Cause requiring exact version matches is insane.
[16:02] <Nafallo> yeah, seems to be working now :-)
[16:03] <infinity> Right, I'll let you do the bug closure honors, since you tested it. :P
[16:03] <Nafallo> cheers :-)
[16:03] <infinity> And sorry about pulling rank.  I get anal when we near release week.
[16:04] <infinity> And review everything.  Even crap I don't have to. :P
[16:04] <Nafallo> no worries. I like this fix better.
[16:04] <Nafallo> I'm avoiding karma ;-)
[16:04] <infinity> Hah.
[16:05] <infinity> A bit late for me to do that.
[16:05] <Nafallo> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), dovecot-imapd (>= 1:2.0.19), dovecot-imapd (<< 1:2.0.19.)
[16:05] <Nafallo> not sure what that dot is doing there... but bother! :-P
[16:05] <infinity> The dot is there to allow for the next minor version up.
[16:06] <infinity> Clever hack.  Ish.
[16:06] <Nafallo> aaah, I see.
[16:06] <infinity> Or rather, "everything but the next one up"... So, should all for Debian revisions.
[16:06] <Nafallo> right :-)
[16:06] <infinity> s/all/allow/
[16:06] <infinity> I haven't slept in a couple of days.
[16:06] <infinity> I'm a bit loopy.
[16:06] <Nafallo> now we just need to remember to rebuild this damn package if we ever upgrade dovecot :-P
[16:07] <infinity> Yeah.  On every new major, it looks like.
[16:07] <infinity> So silly.
[16:07] <infinity> Someone should just fix it (or dovecot, whichever is broken).
[16:07] <infinity> I'm assuming the plugin is at fault here.
[16:07] <infinity> I can't imagine that dovecot breaks ABI on every release and forces plugins to rebuild.
[16:08] <Nafallo> I think this plugin is moving to the dovecot vcs server, so hopefully this can be in the tarball or something.
[16:08] <infinity> That would kinda defeat the whole point of out-of-tree plugins.
[16:08] <Nafallo> agreed
[16:09] <infinity> I guess I should be glad I don't use any plugins, so I don't have to know who to blame. :P
[16:10] <Nafallo> hah
[16:10] <Nafallo> well, I guess you don't use mail on your mobile either then ;-)
[16:10] <infinity> I'm not sure I follow. :P
[16:10]  * Nafallo declares victory on anti-spam server-side.
[16:11] <infinity> I do my spam filtering at SMTP time, like a sane person.
[16:11] <Nafallo> that is server-side ;-)
[16:11] <Nafallo> and I've got that to now :-)
[16:11] <Nafallo> and with dovecot-antispam, thunderbird can train dspam for me ;-)
[16:13] <JanC> Nafallo: do you know about a way to do that with Evolution?
[16:13] <Nafallo> JanC: I haven't used evolution in years, so I'm rusty.
[16:14] <Nafallo> JanC: all it is really is thunderbird moving spams into "Junk". with the plugin infinity and I discussed, that's all I need to retrain mail.
[16:14] <JanC> hm
[16:14] <JanC> I might want to look into that then
[16:15] <JanC> or maybe Thunderbird/Mozilla fixed all the bugs that made me switch to Evolution years ago...
[16:16] <infinity> Thunderbird's fairly shiny, still a bit heavy, though.
[16:16] <infinity> But don't listen to me, my solution to bloated mail clients is to use mutt.
[16:16] <JanC> when I last looked, some of those Mozilla/Thunderbird bugs had been open for 10+ years...
[16:17] <JanC> at least Evolution does things more or less correctly (in between crashes)
[16:17] <cjwatson> 10+-year-old bugs are a sign of a 10+-year-old project.
[16:18] <infinity> From the POV of "correct", I find Thunderbird to be a pretty well-behaved IMAP client.
[16:18] <infinity> I just prefer mutt because it's lightweight.
[16:18] <JanC> they were 10 years old 2 or 3 years ago  ;)
[16:19] <cjwatson> Then it's the sign of a 12- or 13-year-old project. :-)
[16:22] <JanC> cjwatson: sure, but if they hurt everyday use more than Evolution then that's a bad sign IMHO  ;)
[16:25] <cjwatson> I'm not in a position to judge, since I'm a mutt user too.  I just tend to knee-jerk at the "oh no, it has old bugs" criticism.
[16:36] <JanC> cjwatson: do you consider a a mail client that doesn't allow you to edit a plain text text mail properly before sending it "usable"...?  ;)
[16:42] <cjwatson> JanC: I'm not in a position to say whether Thunderbird has that bug in general or whether it's in specific cases, so don't try to draw me into making pronouncements. :-)
[16:44] <JanC> it has that bug in certain cases (most obviously when replying to a HTML mail), but I consider that a serious bug in every case...
[16:45] <JanC> it also does things like rewrap plain text mails after you hit the "send" button and such
[17:44] <kklimonda> JanC: so we just have to make Evolution crash less, and make its interface not suck so badly, and we can go back ? that should be easy ;)
[17:44] <JanC> kklimonda: and make it use less memory  ;)
[17:45] <JanC> the interface isn't worse than Thunderbird BTW
[17:45] <kklimonda> JanC: well, that's easy to fix - just add another memory stick ;)
[17:45] <JanC> kklimonda: that doesn't make it use less memory  ;)
[17:46] <kklimonda> JanC: but it can leak more! ;)
[17:46] <JanC> hehe
[17:46] <JanC> well, at least there are workarounds for memory leaks (restarting evolution)
[17:47] <JanC> those workarounds don't exist for the fundamental bugs in thunderbird...
[17:47] <JanC> (AFAIK)
[17:48] <JanC> it's inconventient, but not as embarrassing as sending mail that doesn't look as intended  ;)
[17:51] <penguin42> JanC: GUI Mail clients that get plain text sending right are probably in the minority
[17:51] <JanC> penguin42: surprisingly, Evolution does
[17:52] <JanC> AFAIK ;)
[17:55] <penguin42> possibly, not used it - but as I say, it's rare
[17:55] <JanC> I never had/saw any problems with it
[17:55] <JanC> actually, Netscape Mails 4.x did those things correctly too
[17:55] <JanC> Mail
[17:56] <JanC> they broke this in the open source Netscape/Mozilla fork
[18:27] <hyperair> i think open source GUI mail clients tend to get plain text sending right.
[18:27] <hyperair> it's the proprietary ones that end up with oddities
[19:29] <kklimonda> JanC: huh, wrt evolution in precise, it seems pretty broken to me - I can't select text in html messages properly ;)
[19:31] <JanC> kklimonda: I use the html-to-plain-text plugin, so I never see any HTML messages  ;)
[19:32] <kklimonda> I guess it's a solution of some sort ;)
[19:33] <JanC> so, maybe Thunderbird works with HTML mail, Evolution works with plain text, pick whatever you want  ;)
[19:34] <kklimonda> but it looks like something broke - even with plain text emails I don't see them on a white background..
[19:34] <kklimonda> damn, I can't figure out how to reset settings
[19:34] <kklimonda> evolution is like a weed, it stores settings just about everywhere ;)
[19:34] <JanC> kklimonda: it worked for me yesterday (or Friday?)
[19:35] <JanC> anyway
[19:35] <JanC> Evolution probably needs refactoring etc.
[19:35] <JanC> and more than 0.75 developers working on it
[19:36] <kklimonda> right
[19:36] <kklimonda> that's the main problem
[19:36] <kklimonda> if only Canonical.. *whistles*
[19:37] <JanC> but considering all that, it's a shame Thunderbird can't match Evolution on so many points with probably 20 full-time developers...
[19:37] <kklimonda> lol
[19:37] <kklimonda> Thunderbird is actually being actively developed by Mozilla devs?
[19:37] <kklimonda> I've always thought it was more of a community project
[19:38] <JanC> there are several Mozilla devs paid to work on it, yes
[19:38] <hyperair> imo evolution can't match thunderbird on a lot of points, though..
[19:39] <JanC> and vice versa  ;)
[19:39] <hyperair> using evolution makes me think that i'm the only one in the world accessing a gmail account over a crappy network.
[19:39] <JanC> it just depends on what features you need
[19:39] <hyperair> like proper imap access?
[19:39] <JanC> evolution has proper imap4 access
[19:39] <hyperair> so it claims
[19:40] <hyperair> and so every other mail client i've tried so far claim.
[19:40] <JanC> although gmail doesn't have proper imap4 servers  ;)
[19:40] <hyperair> but only thunderbird gets it right
[19:40] <kklimonda> damn, broken on a guest account too
[19:40] <hyperair> claws gets completely paralyzed
[19:40] <kklimonda> how!! it's been only few months since 11.10 and it worked fine..
[19:40] <kklimonda> argh
[19:40] <hyperair> evolution.. not as copmletely paralyzed, but almost just as bad.
[19:41] <JanC> gmail is about the worst e-mail client I ever used  :P
[19:41] <hyperair> JanC: maybe. and i'm guessing outlook.com's imap isn't perfect either..
[19:41] <kklimonda> hyperair: the problem is gmail isn't a proper imap server ;)
[19:41] <hyperair> i like gmail's labels. too bad they don't work that well over imap.
[19:41] <hyperair> kklimonda: and neither is outlook.com, i suppose?
[19:41] <hyperair> kklimonda: from my experience nothing handles imap like thunderbird does.
[19:42] <hyperair> even with my university's mail account
[19:42] <kklimonda> hyperair: come on, Microsoft added IMAP support only so people can't complain
[19:42] <JanC> hyperair: I don't know about outlook.com, but the Exchange IMAP4 server is quite good AFAIK...
[19:42] <hyperair> heh
[19:42] <hyperair> JanC: except that it didn't work out quite so well via evolution either
[19:42] <kklimonda> hyperair: have you seen how bad is imap support in outlook? it's obvious they are pushing exchange by making alternatives suck more ;)
[19:42] <hyperair> really, i leave evolution downloading mail headers through the night
[19:42] <hyperair> next morning, i click on another folder
[19:43] <hyperair> and click back
[19:43] <hyperair> and then...
[19:43] <kklimonda> hyperair: wow, how many mails do you have? :)
[19:43] <ScottK> IMAP is a twisty turny maze of RFCs and all look alike, so it's tough to get both a client and a server well implemented.
[19:43] <hyperair> ...it downloads *EVERY* single mail header *AGAIN*
[19:43] <kklimonda> weird
[19:43] <hyperair> evolution and claws both make me feel like pulling my hair out, just because of their crappy imap access
[19:45] <JanC> kklimonda: outlook being bad doesn't mean exchange is bad  ;)
[19:46] <JanC> traditional IMAP isn't very useful for mobiles
[19:46] <hyperair> kklimonda: 40,301 emails, apparently.
[19:46] <JanC> so thre are extentions for that
[19:46] <kklimonda> hyperair: and they all sit in your inbox? :)
[19:46] <hyperair> kklimonda: no hang on, that's the count of gmail conversations. i have no idea how many emails there actually are..
[19:46] <hyperair> kklimonda: nah, that's in total
[19:46] <hyperair> the all mail folder
[19:47] <hyperair> i guess i could unsubscribe, but after that there's no real way of sending mail there from evolution
[19:47] <JanC> 40k mails is peanuts  ;)
[19:47] <JanC> you get that after 1-2 months on LKML...  :P
[19:47] <hyperair> JanC: tell that to evolution, which barfs when fetching them.
[19:48] <kklimonda> JanC: I use gmane for mailing lists ;)
[19:48] <hyperair> okay, thunderbird reports 115238
[19:48] <JanC> I've never seen Evolution barf on # of mails
[19:49] <JanC> it's slow, yes
[19:49] <hyperair> good for you
[19:49] <hyperair> now time out a couple of connections and see how evolution handles them
[19:49] <JanC> hyperair: you restart it  ;)
[19:49] <hyperair> see, apparently i'm the only evolution user who lives on a university campus with idiots manning the network.
[19:50] <hyperair> JanC: ah yes, evolution --force-shutdown. that was my favourite command during that time
[19:50] <hyperair> that reminds me, it used to hang my gnome-panel clock applet thing due to network calendars
[19:50] <JanC> my main point is that you can't work around the bugs in Thunderbird, while Evolution has --force-shutdown to   :P
[19:50] <JanC> to solve things
[19:51] <hyperair> ¬_¬"
[19:51] <hyperair> that's not a solution
[19:51] <hyperair> you force-shutdown, start downloading mail all over again
[19:51] <hyperair> and then it times out again
[19:51] <hyperair> and you force-shutdown again
[19:51] <JanC> hyperair: it's better than nothing, right?
[19:51] <hyperair> rinse and repeat.
[19:51] <JanC> I never saw it time-out
[19:51] <hyperair> JanC: but it *is* nothing. you repeat that process over and over and it never completes.
[19:51] <kklimonda> hyperair: and how well does thunderbird support calendars? ;)
[19:51] <hyperair> kklimonda: really well, with lightning
[19:52] <kklimonda> too bad it's not in main ;)
[19:52] <hyperair> yeah, too bad.
[19:52] <kklimonda> (I'm actually surprised that they've decided not to demote evolution to universe, and not promote lightning to main)
[19:53] <JanC> hyperair: the main point is that Thunderbird doesn't allow me to do what I want, and Evolution does, with an occasional restart
[19:53] <kklimonda> I guess calendar is not shiney enough to ship it by default..
[19:53] <JanC> I'd prefer a better mail client of course  :P
[19:53] <hyperair> that thing ought to be killed with fire. i swear the devs thought that everybody used a rock-solid internet connection that moved blazingly fast.
[19:54] <hyperair> JanC: what do you want, anyway?
[19:55] <kklimonda> hyperair: I'm not a huge fan of Evolution but people seem to use it over thunderbird in companies (at least the few I've heard of ;))
[19:56] <hyperair> kklimonda: that's because thunderbird doesn't have MAPI/Exchange support, right?
[19:56] <hyperair> (people also tend to use Windows in companies).
[19:56] <kklimonda> hyperair: it's not like evolution supports it that well ;)
[19:57] <hyperair> well i suppose evolution in the office is rather bearable, when you think about it..
[19:57] <hyperair> mail server on the local network..
[19:57] <hyperair> blazing fast local network..
[19:57] <kklimonda> :)
[19:57] <hyperair> actually reliable local network..
[19:57] <hyperair> see, it's all about the network
[19:57] <hyperair> evolution behaves like the network is infallible
[19:58] <hyperair> a few cycles back, it used to turn grey every time a few packets got dropped
[19:58] <hyperair> recently it's been better, but i just get a crapton of those progress things at the bottom that take forever to time out, and don't progress either.
[19:59] <JanC> My IMAP server is in Germany, while I'm in Belgium, so I'm not in a LAN  ;)
[19:59] <kklimonda> sure, but have you tried using Evolution over flaky edge connection? ;)
[20:00] <JanC> probably not
[20:01] <JanC> maybe Mozilla got that implemented better?
[20:01] <kklimonda> definitely
[20:01] <kklimonda> evolution has problems with terminating stalled connections
[20:01] <JanC> but that doesn't excuse their lack of support for other features...  :-/
[20:01] <hyperair> like?
[20:02] <JanC> i think I listed several of them before?
[20:02] <hyperair> i only read something about html..
[20:02] <hyperair> er html-to-text?
[20:02] <hyperair> which is also present in thunderbird
[20:02] <JanC> hyperair: actually, their editor doesn't support plain text mails properly
[20:02] <kklimonda> "edit plain text before sending"
[20:03] <hyperair> JanC: how so?
[20:03] <hyperair> i've been sending plain text mails for a couple of years now using thunderbird
[20:03] <JanC> hyperair: unless they fixed that recently  :P
[20:03] <hyperair> i wouldn't call a couple of years recent...
[20:03] <kklimonda> hyperair: you have to jump through the hoops to send git patches without TB breaking them
[20:04] <hyperair> kklimonda: ah, is this about line-wrapping?
[20:04] <JanC> among other things
[20:04] <kklimonda> hyperair: last time I've tried setting it up I've had to change two or three options in about:config and then TB was still displaying content wrongly (it was sending it properly though afair)
[20:04] <JanC> it does other things it shouldn't do
[20:04] <kklimonda> hyperair: well, that's one complain for TB I can think of right now :)
[20:05] <JanC> it should leave plain text mails alone, period
[20:05] <hyperair> hmm i like the line-wrapping though..
[20:06] <JanC> hyperair: Evolution has line-wrapping when you want it
[20:06] <hyperair> besides that, i think it mostly leaves my plain-text mail alone.
[20:06] <hyperair> JanC: right, but i haven't seen any differences between evolution's and thunderbird's patch handling
[20:06] <JanC> hyperair: you must be lucky  ;)
[20:07] <JanC> hyperair: now try to reply to a HTML mail with a plain text mail...   ;)
[20:08] <hyperair> JanC: works for me.
[20:08] <hyperair> am i supposed to see something wrong?
[20:08] <JanC> but does it work for you recipients?
[20:08] <hyperair> yeah it does
[20:08] <hyperair> they just get it in plain text.
[20:09] <JanC> that would be a serious improvement over previous behaviour of Thunderbird then
[20:09] <hyperair> i guess
[20:09] <hyperair> open source projects tend to move fairly quickly
[20:09] <hyperair> evolution aside
[20:10] <JanC> hyperair: if you think pre-2000 bugs being fixed in the last 1-2 years is "quickly", maybe  :P
[20:10] <JanC> even Evoltiuon bugs get fixed fatser
[20:10] <hyperair> heh :P
[20:11] <hyperair> i think it's an issue of *which* bugs
[20:11] <kklimonda> JanC: come on, it's not like evolution has no old bugs opened ;)
[20:12] <JanC> kklimonda: it might well have, but most of them don't impact me as much as the long-time Thunderbird/Mozilla-bugs do/did
[20:13] <JanC> actually, many Thunderbird bugs are older than Evolution
[20:13] <hyperair> that may just mean that the new bugs are fixed faster
[20:14] <JanC> which is not useful  ;)
[20:14] <hyperair> well think about it. i'm sure you've seen horribly complicated X bugs that never get fixed lying around in Ubuntu.
[20:14] <JanC> anyway, I think the point is that no mail client is really good
[20:14] <hyperair> yeah
[20:15] <hyperair> i think claws would be great if it didn't get screwed over by a bad network
[20:15] <JanC> one good point of claws seemed to be that it didn't need insane amounts of RAM
[20:22] <hyperair> hmm yeah
[20:22] <hyperair> actually it did for me
[20:22] <hyperair> it actually hit 200-300M
[20:22] <hyperair> which was better than thunderbird, which is happily sitting around 500M here
[20:22] <hyperair> oh it's 362M now hmm
[20:25] <JanC> Evolution needs are expressed in GiB on my (64-bit) system
[20:28] <dupondje> To join the conversation, I really miss descent LDAP support in TB
[20:33] <JanC> dupondje: how well is LDAP support in Evolution currently?  (AFAIK it wasn't bad in the past, but...)
[20:33] <dupondje> no idea on the current status
[20:33] <dupondje> but there was read-write support a year ago
[20:33] <dupondje> which still isnt in TB
[20:34] <dupondje> And evolution got a nice LDAP schema, Mozilla made one, but still Alpha
[20:34] <JanC> if unless somebody broke it, it probably still works  ;)
[20:34] <kklimonda> damn, how was the gnu tool for browsing through C projects called? it started with C afair
[20:34] <JanC> so*
[20:35] <kklimonda> cscope!
[20:35] <JanC> ☺
[20:36] <verwilst> hi
[20:36] <verwilst> any knows why dlm-pcmk has been removed from precise?
[20:36] <dupondje> Hi mr verwilst  :)
[20:38] <dupondje> verwilst: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redhat-cluster source is still there .. but the bin is not build
[20:38] <verwilst> hi dupondje
[20:38] <verwilst> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=dlm-pcmk&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[20:38] <verwilst> it's been there up until precise
[20:38] <verwilst> clustering under linux is sucky enough without missing modules :D
[20:39] <dupondje>   * Drop dlm-pcmk and gfs-pcmk.
[20:39] <dupondje>     - debian/control: Drop control rules for such packages.
[20:39] <dupondje>     - debian/{gfs,dlm}-pcmk.install: Dropped
[20:39] <verwilst> yes, but why :P
[20:39] <kklimonda> verwilst: ask roaksoax, he's the one who's uploaded the package which dropped it
[20:39] <verwilst> roaksoax, ^^ :P
[20:40] <JanC> heh, all these belgians here suddenly...  :P
[20:42] <dupondje> invasion
[20:43] <JanC> would be useful if you guys worked for ubuntu-be locoteam too, from time to time  ;)
[20:46] <dupondje> verwilst: if I look good the dlm-pcmk is now in another git, and not more included in the cluster source
[20:47] <dupondje> JanC: where you need help in the locoteam ? :)
[20:47] <verwilst> myeah ok, but that doesnt bring back my ability to use clvm with corosync ;)
[20:47] <dupondje> you asked for the reason ;)
[20:49] <dupondje> could try to create a package from the new source
[20:49] <dupondje> and get it into Precise
[20:51] <verwilst> but there must be a reason why
[20:52] <dupondje> because the source split up? :)
[20:54] <JanC> dupondje: you should join #ubuntu-be and/or our mailing list for that, but maybe you can help with an Ubuntu Global Jam event or such?
[20:56]  * JanC goes to sleep now but will check back on that tomorrow...
[20:57] <dupondje> verwilst: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#NBS
[20:57] <verwilst> hm
[20:58] <verwilst> dupondje, heb je de link van de nieuwe repo?
[20:59] <dupondje> source split up, new package was uploaded without pcmk, but no new package created for pcmk ...
[20:59] <dupondje> new repo ?
[21:00] <verwilst> location of the pcmk code :)
[21:00] <verwilst> " if I look good the dlm-pcmk is now in another git,"
[21:01] <dupondje> https://fedorahosted.org/cluster/wiki/HomePage
[21:03] <dupondje> http://www.redhat.com/archives/cluster-devel/2009-January/msg00013.html
[21:07] <verwilst> bleh
[21:08] <verwilst> so cluster is at 3.1.7 ( 3.1.8 is latest ), and i guess the dlm.git is version.. 3.99.2?
[21:14] <dupondje> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=cluster.git;a=tree;f=group/dlm_controld;h=23322874fb5a3686f56b68f28eab1206dff9370c;hb=e2fe317d5e1c313f5bece465e0e703b0548d50cf
[21:14] <dupondje> seems there is still dlm, but without pacemaker support...
[21:16] <verwilst> i've mailed the redhat guy
[21:16] <verwilst> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=dlm.git
[21:16] <verwilst> this ranks as a solid 8 on my suckiness scale!
[21:33] <wolfslord> I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 with Gnome-shell. Installed gnome-tweak-tool and changed mouse theme to adwaita but cursor only changes when selecting, loading, resizing, etc
[21:34] <wolfslord> but the normal mouse is still the same
[21:34] <wolfslord> Does anyone knows how to chenge that?