[11:35] <iGadget> hi
[11:37] <iGadget> I am experienced abnormal high load on 12.04 beta2 when my systems are completely idle. Which package should I use to report this issue on?
[11:37] <iGadget> experiencing
[16:29] <phillw> chilicui1: you've lost your cloak?
[16:30] <chilicui1> phillw: yep, connection troubles >_<
[16:30] <phillw> hmmm, I know that feeling.
[17:48] <iGadget> hi
[17:48] <iGadget> I am experiencing abnormal high load on 12.04 beta2 when my systems are completely idle. Which package should I use to report this issue on?
[18:15] <kanliot> igadget can you be specific on what is causing the load?
[18:19] <iGadget> kanliot, well I've been trying to find out
[18:19] <iGadget> htop shows several processes taking very few percentage of cpu now and then
[18:19] <iGadget> but the load of the machines is constantly between 0.5 and 1.5
[18:20] <kanliot> .5 %?
[18:20] <kanliot> you can also see total cpu time
[18:20] <kanliot> like seconds of cpu time for each process
[18:20] <iGadget> ok...
[18:21] <iGadget> well in that case it's unit-panel-service and compiz
[18:21] <iGadget> ...and empathy-chat
[18:21] <iGadget> but on the other systems I'm not using the latter
[18:22] <iGadget> oh and hud-service as well, although less
[18:22] <kanliot> really the devs need numbers
[18:22] <iGadget> so how can I obtain those numbers
[18:22] <kanliot> like empathy-chat was using 200 seconds of cpu before
[18:22] <iGadget> ?
[18:22] <kanliot> and now empathy-chat is using 500 seconds
[18:23] <iGadget> so... I have to revert back to 11.10
[18:23] <iGadget> check the numbers there
[18:23] <kanliot> yeah that would help
[18:23] <kanliot> i know some people do power regression testing
[18:24] <kanliot> like phoronix
[18:24] <kanliot> they test the power used at idle
[18:24] <kanliot> for the new ubuntu versions
[18:24] <iGadget> yeah I read about those tests
[18:24] <kanliot> so you can check their results when they come out
[18:24] <iGadget> but still... an idle system should not have a load average between 0.5 and 1.5
[18:24] <iGadget> that's just absurd
[18:25] <kanliot> %?
[18:25] <kanliot> .5 %
[18:25] <kanliot> ?
[18:25] <iGadget> it's the numbers behind 'Load average:' in htop
[18:25] <iGadget> right now on this system - 0.81, 0.82, 0.83
[18:26] <iGadget> I've been told that 1.0 is one cpu being used 100%
[18:26] <iGadget> so 0.5 would equal 50% usage of 1 core, right?
[18:28] <kanliot> yeah
[18:28] <kanliot> actually i just read about load averages just now
[18:28] <kanliot> full disclosure
[18:29] <kanliot> something has to be eating your cpu
[18:29] <iGadget> indeed... and it's present on all 3 systems I'm running 12.04 on
[18:30] <kanliot> you can sort by cpu
[18:30] <iGadget> cpu% you mean?
[18:30] <kanliot> yeah
[18:30] <iGadget> that's default, yes
[18:30] <kanliot> f6
[18:30] <iGadget> and what I'm seeing there is the processes I mentioned before
[18:31] <kanliot> and they are way below 25%?
[18:31] <kanliot> unit-panel-service and compiz
[18:31] <kanliot>  ...and empathy-chat
[18:32] <iGadget> and there are a few more which take 1 to 2% each
[18:32] <kanliot> what's the highest percentage?
[18:32] <iGadget> Is there any way to record htop's output?
[18:32] <kanliot> and how many cores on that pc?
[18:32] <kanliot> i donno
[18:33] <iGadget> highest varies all the time
[18:33] <iGadget> one moment it's compiz
[18:33] <iGadget> then it's unit-panel-service
[18:33] <kanliot> how much cpu time on unit-panelservice
[18:33] <kanliot> ?
[18:33] <iGadget> 2 cores with hyperthreading here, Core i5
[18:34] <iGadget> varies between 2 and 3%
[18:34] <iGadget> sometimes higher
[18:34] <kanliot> well i'm stumped
[18:35] <iGadget> and that's the weird part I guess... the number don't add up
[18:35] <kanliot> i don't think kernel times are included
[18:37] <iGadget> I guess I can make a screencast video of htop while logged in via ssh, so the recording itself doesn't affect htop
[18:37] <iGadget> would that help?
[18:38] <kanliot> quit htop and load top
[18:38] <kanliot> it shows kernel times
[18:38] <kanliot> please
[18:39] <iGadget> sure... so what should I look for?
[18:39] <kanliot> ): 18.3%us,  2.5%sy,  0.0%ni, 78.4%id,  0.8%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[18:39] <kanliot> look for like 40%sy
[18:39] <iGadget> I'm not sure what those numbers mean
[18:39] <iGadget> 1.3%sy
[18:39] <iGadget> but load average is > 0.8
[18:40] <kanliot> the rest of the line?
[18:40] <iGadget> it's changing like crazy, so it's just a snapshot
[18:41] <iGadget> Cpu(s):  6.7%us,  2.1%sy,  0.0%ni, 91.2%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
[18:41] <kanliot>  2c. CPU States
[18:41] <kanliot>        The CPU states are shown in the Summary Area. They are always shown as a percentage and are for the time between now and the last refresh.
[18:41] <kanliot>         us  --  User CPU time
[18:41] <kanliot>           The time the CPU has spent running users' processes that are not niced.
[18:41] <kanliot>         sy  --  System CPU time
[18:41] <kanliot>           The time the CPU has spent running the kernel and its processes.
[18:41] <kanliot>         ni  --  Nice CPU time
[18:41] <kanliot>           The time the CPU has spent running users' proccess that have been niced.
[18:41] <kanliot>         wa  --  iowait
[18:41] <kanliot>           Amount of time the CPU has been waiting for I/O to complete.
[18:41] <kanliot>         hi  --  Hardware IRQ
[18:41] <kanliot>           The amount of time the CPU has been servicing hardware interrupts.
[18:41] <kanliot>         si  --  Software Interrupts
[18:41] <kanliot>           The amount of time the CPU has been servicing software interrupts.
[18:41] <kanliot>         st  --  Steal Time
[18:41] <kanliot>           The amount of CPU 'stolen' from this virtual machine by the hypervisor for other tasks (such as running another virtual machine).
[18:43] <kanliot> at 9% cpu usage i think you should have a load of 9%*4 = .36
[18:44] <kanliot> actually disregard what i said
[18:44] <kanliot> i donno
[18:44] <iGadget> I guess I will just create a screencast video and post it in a bugreport. Problem still is - what package to file the bug on? :)
[18:44] <kanliot> i think it's a kernel problem
[18:45] <iGadget> linux-image then
[18:45] <kanliot> ya
[18:45] <kanliot> good luck
[18:46] <iGadget> thanks
[18:46] <kanliot> and it would help if you gave hard numbers for load
[18:46] <kanliot> and kernel versions also
[19:15] <iGadget> well those will all be included in the video and the apport report I guess :)
[19:39] <iGadget> kanliot, I think I found the cause of the problem
[19:39] <iGadget> and it's not what I thought is was :)
[19:40] <kanliot> ok
[19:40] <iGadget> I'm using indicator-multiload as a replacement for the good 'ol gnome2 system monitor in the upper bar
[19:40] <iGadget> but in 12.04, this indicator causes all the beforementioned processes to start consuming cpu
[19:41] <iGadget> when I quit the indicator, the system load goes back to normal...
[19:41] <iGadget> ...while the whole point to use the indicator was to get a sens of what the overal load of my system was like :P
[19:41] <kanliot> yeah
[19:41] <kanliot> pITA
[19:42] <iGadget> so I'll be filing a bug alright... on indicator-multiload ;)
[19:42] <kanliot> i suppose you should document it
[19:42] <kanliot> but i donno where
[19:42] <kanliot> :)