[10:15] <yurchor> trijntje: Hi! Have you find the answer about building of translated ubuntu-docs?
[10:15] <trijntje> yurchor: no, I havent yet
[10:16] <yurchor> Did you try just ./autogen.sh then make?
[10:20] <yurchor> If it does not help, you can use manual conversion for this Mallard documentation: http://itstool.org/documentation/basic-usage/
[10:21] <yurchor> Mallard (in oppose to DocBook) does not support PDF conversion, so you can use Calibre to convert HTML.
[10:22] <yurchor> I mean HTML -> ePub or PDF.
[10:23] <trijntje> yurchor: I did also try ./autogen.sh and then maken, but make aborts with an error
[10:24] <yurchor> Oops, then only hardcore ITS tool way...
[10:29] <trijntje> I think make calls itstool, which than crashed
[10:29] <trijntje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/930794/
[10:33] <yurchor> He-he, replace en_Uk with en-GB in Makefile.am (these guys do not even read what they write). Then regenerate makefile.
[10:34] <yurchor> I mean ubuntu-help subdir.
[10:34] <yurchor> And en_GB for sure
[10:40] <trijntje> yurchor: cool, thanks! Now make runs without problem
[10:42] <artnay> trijntje: yurchor, did you fix the errors in ubuntu-docs in your own translations?
[10:42] <artnay> if you're going to make a printed book/PDF, it would make sense to fix the actual errors in -docs in your own translation
[10:43] <artnay> just saying
[10:43] <yurchor> trijntje: M-m-m, I have not translated it at all (I do not use neither Ubuntu, nor Gnome).
[10:43] <artnay> yurchor: ok
[10:43] <yurchor> Sorry.. Mistyped, artnay
[10:43] <trijntje> artnay: what kind of errors in -docs?
[10:44] <yurchor> xmllint errors, I think.
[10:44] <artnay> trijntje: well here are a few that I reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bugs?search=Search&field.bug_reporter=jiri-gronroos
[10:44] <artnay> I'm sure there's more
[10:45] <artnay> jbicha will probably fix those in SRUs
[10:45] <artnay> trijntje: mainly non-working keyboard shortcuts/missing information/incorrent terms
[10:46] <yurchor> Typo: "choosen" in net-proxy.page is not fixed ;)
[10:47] <trijntje> artnay: ah I see, problems in the source text
[10:47] <trijntje> I could look into that, I'm not a huge fan of 'fixing' stuf in translations, unless its really big mistakes
[10:47] <artnay> trijntje: yes. I'm actually surprised that other translators haven't reported more bugs since they're easy to spot IF translators just don't translate but in fact follow the instructions step-by-step
[10:48] <artnay> translating (and following!) -docs is probably the best way to spot such errors before release
[10:48] <artnay> there's never enough proofreading
[10:49] <yurchor> artnay: Crowd translations...
[10:49] <yurchor> It's easier to ignore the bugs, than report them.
[10:50] <artnay> that's just bad
[10:50] <artnay> the least one can do is to report bugs
[10:50] <trijntje> I havent worked on the docs this cycle, but I usually follow all steps and report bugs when I find them
[10:53] <artnay> we did a lot of work for -docs this cycle (still 31 untranslated), and we commited our translations to gnome-user-docs (which grew like 60 %)
[10:54] <artnay> with a little bit of manual work gnome-user-docs would grow to 80 % or more
[10:56] <artnay> anyways, if there's a lot of changes to -docs in next releases and LP won't gain any sort of fuzzy support, I guess we'll focus our efforts to -docs once again in next LTS
[10:57] <artnay> gtranslator is a pretty good software with its open-trans support and advanced fuzzy algorithms
[10:58] <trijntje> yeah, lack of fuzzy in lp is too bad. But you can alway'se use msgmerge to merge the docs yourself,  resolve the fuzzy's and then upload it to launchpad
[10:58] <trijntje> but that probably won't work so well when you have more than 2 people working on it
[10:59] <artnay> if only gnome/KDE would adopt their own transifex instance as xfce did. it's a pretty welcome addition to git.
[11:01] <trijntje> I thinkg synchronisation with gnome should be automated by now?
[11:01] <artnay> I don't know if you care about KDE, but I found this pretty interesting: http://techbase.kde.org/Localization/Workflows/PO_Summit
[11:02] <artnay> trijntje: we did something interesting in upstream gnome this cycle
[11:03] <artnay> trijntje: we setup our own instance of translatewiki (see http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page) and imported all po/pot files from upstream
[11:04] <artnay> then we did a lot of translation work in our translatewiki (lots of corrections, twiki has a decent fuzzy support and translation memory)
[11:05] <artnay> and after five days we had gained a lot of unification and new translations, then we sent the results to upstream. and now those translations are in Ubuntu (and well, in other distros as well)
[11:06] <artnay> better than translating in LP, merging from LP templates makes upstream curse. :-)
[11:06] <trijntje> artnay: thanks for the link. Upstream integration with gnome is pretty good for dutch right now, so I was planning to look into better cooperation with kde
[11:09] <artnay> trijntje: as do we. I went back to KDE in 4.3 and now with 4.8.2 I'm happy with it EXCEPT the translations...
[11:10] <artnay> in general, gnome has better translation coverage and quality. but we're actually focusing our effors on KDE before 4.9. lots of work to do.
[11:10] <artnay> trijntje: and this is godsent: http://l10n.kde.org/dictionary/search-translations.php
[11:11] <artnay> the only problem with is that it ignores (as expected) accessory keys (is that the right term? I mean Alt + letter)
[11:14] <trijntje> I think they are called accelarators
[11:14] <artnay> true, true
[11:14] <trijntje> We alway's use http://en.nl.open-tran.eu/ to check for consitency in translations
[11:14] <artnay> thanks for correcting
[11:15] <artnay> trijntje: open-tran.eu is actually integrated in gtranslator
[11:16] <artnay> trijntje: http://projects.gnome.org/gtranslator/
[11:17] <trijntje> you mean as the 'translation memory' or a real plugin for opentran?
[11:23] <artnay> trijntje: plugin
[11:27] <trijntje> nice
[14:20] <bulldog98> dpm: do we need to re-upload the translation for calligra? because the translation stuff was last uploaded before the pkg-kde-tools fix?
[16:24] <Havok_Novak> Salut ! Y a-t-il des Français ici ?
[16:27] <Havok_Novak> Is there any French here ?