[00:11] ls -al .fonts/ | wc -l [00:11] that would give a count of files right? [00:13] including . and .. [00:14] but the count would also be incorrect as you're doing a long listing, use -1 (number one) to show just filenames, dogmatic69 [00:14] ye, also extra line at the top [00:14] ah, that is better [00:15] just has the extra line now, think its file size [00:15] ls -l .fonts/ | wc -l == ? [00:15] 4543 :D [00:15] can I complain about inkskape taking 5 minutes to open? [00:17] libre office opens within 5 seconds [00:22] strace is your friend [00:23] strace -fro /tmp/inkscape.trace path/to/inkscape/binary [00:23] ? [00:24] start inkscape up like that, then examine the trace file to see what's hapenning before and after the delay [00:24] doing it now [00:24] (inkscape:10054): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", [00:25] done that 4x and stuck now [00:25] need a ajax loading thingy [00:27] 2.6MB file [00:29] dwatkins: its doing stat on virtually the entire hdd [00:30] eh? [00:30] in that trace, there are masses of stat("/path/to/random/files") [00:31] ok, that may or may not be the problem [00:31] all sorts, images, svgs, documents, configs in .evolution etc [00:31] also on my mapped network drive which could be the problem [00:31] might be worth looking up bugs relating to delays starting inkscape, dogmatic69 [00:32] 2300+ calls to stat [00:33] bug 488247 might be worth a read, dogmatic69 [00:33] Launchpad bug 488247 in Inkscape "Inkscape is slow starting" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488247 [00:42] dwatkins: thanks, seems they just need to implement cache [00:42] should be an easy one [00:42] ah good === mkv is now known as m4v [06:06] is there any game related channel? === astromech is now known as Knightwise [09:01] morning all [09:02] \o [09:03] Morning [09:25] good morning everyone. [09:34] hiya [09:35] hi dwatkins [09:37] mnt [09:37] er [09:37] mng [09:38] morning [09:39] dng [09:46] boo! [09:47] RAWR [09:58] * dwatkins hands brobostigon a small plastic dinosaur holding a cupcake [09:59] * brobostigon takes the dinosaur, and plays with it on his desk, and make dinosaur type noises. [10:00] and we shall call this land "our land" [10:00] hah [10:17] a quick question re 12.04... I have no "system" [alert] sounds though all sound tests check out ok. [10:17] am I experiencing a bug or experiencing intended behaviour? [10:27] SuperEngineer: are system alert sounds enabled? [10:28] (I have them disabled, but I guess that's not the default) [10:29] yes - and test out ok, the directory is there, the sounds are there, all programs using sound are ok. [10:33] StevenR, in fact I have just gone back to sound settings & they *all* work from there, but not in 'real' use. [10:34] * StevenR goes to grab an iso to spin up a test vm [10:35] cheers StevenR [10:35] eta 15 mins probably [10:36] (iso in 5, VM in another 10 or so) [10:38] btw... the System Ready sound is ok, the "Ubuntu wiggle" desktop sound I hear rumoured is disabled to keep the ISO to Cd size [even though still included!] so that is dubious - but *no* other alert sounds work at all in real use [10:39] man I'd love it if all the alert sounds would stay disabled [10:39] gordonjcp, - then disable them? [10:40] SuperEngineer: they don't stay disabled [10:40] they need to be *gone* [10:40] gordonjcp, it appearsa you the "reverse" of my fault ;) [10:40] it's bloody annoying [10:41] gordonjcp, - then disable them by removing the folder holding them? [10:41] why would you want your computer to make silly noises all the time? [10:41] SuperEngineer: because when you update Ubuntu, they come back [10:42] and doing an update appears to reset them all back to enabled [10:42] gordonjcp, oh - didn't think of that [10:42] what I ended up doing was setting all the sounds to zero-length files and setting them immutable [10:42] * SuperEngineer puts on dunces hat [10:43] ...but if personally like the occasional 'blob' sound or real alert when needed. [10:43] *but I [10:43] I'm sure the resetting it back to defaults is a bug [10:44] SuperEngineer: I don't, because it comes through the speakers [10:44] and interrupts whatever else is playing [10:45] bloody irritating, you're playing some music, a window pops open for something with an earsplitting "WHOOONK!" [10:45] then stop making errors causing alerts or closing programs or doing other normal things ! [10:45] also, the pulseaudio thing is stupid [10:45] why would you want two programs to make noises at the same time, especially when the sound plays about ten seconds after the app actually fires the event [10:46] ...as per several previous - it's not a problem for me... alert sounds are not working ;) [10:54] gordonjcp, just a thought... are your "annoying" system sounds in 12.04 or older distro? [10:54] 11.10 [10:54] ah! [10:55] I tried 12.04 on my desktop but I only have 2G of RAM [10:55] so I can't even get a desktop up [10:55] * StevenR watches the VM's installer progress bar *creep* across the window [10:55] * SuperEngineer hands gordonjcp a plate full of sympathy [10:56] StevenR, don't let it hear you call it a "creep" - it will fail in retaliation! [10:57] SuperEngineer: I really hope that the final version of 12.04 needs less memory [10:57] SuperEngineer: I've got it "running" on a core i5 at work with 4G, it's kind of usable [10:57] as long as you don't open any programs [10:58] 12.04 needs more than a gig or RAM? wow [10:59] it appears to need more than 2G [10:59] * StevenR allocated 4G for the vm [11:00] *sigh* it's still installing :S [11:01] gordonjcp, just a thought - i've only got the same as you - it's fine - apart from the alert sounds [11:02] [as in - fine & fast] [11:03] oh. wow. that booted up rather fast [11:03] ;) [11:05] gordonjcp, I'd be having a looksee inside the pooter itself if I were your good self [11:05] * StevenR runs updates [11:06] SuperEngineer: alert volume turned up? [11:06] StevenR, yup [11:07] SuperEngineer: for what? [11:07] SuperEngineer: ~/.xsession-errors show anything failing? [11:07] [only to 100% - not tried higher - though that shouldn't be neccessay if it's not a bug] [11:08] StevenR, hang on pretty please - I'll have a looksee [11:08] 12.04 is using just under 1 GB of RAM on my virtual machine, which has 1 GB allocated to it. [11:09] dwatkins: is that the "free" or -buffers/cache value? (see free -mt) [11:10] the kernel will cache as much as it can [11:11] StevenR: http://paste.ubuntu.com/930847/ [11:11] dwatkins: so actually using 403MB [11:11] :D [11:11] yeah, so 'using' in the sense there's a lot of cache, yeah [11:12] I couldn't say how much swap was used during installation, of course [11:13] SuperEngineer: tried a different sound theme? [11:13] StevenR, tried them all [11:14] :( [11:14] SuperEngineer: is this an upgrade or fresh install? HAve you tried a new user? [11:15] StevenR, the only stuff showing in xseesion-error relate to video with Cairo dock - which is working fine actually - nothing that could be related to a sound or sound related call [11:17] [in fact *everything* shown in xsession-errors & .old are *all* actually working 100% [11:17] StevenR, thias is a fresh install from beta1 onwards [11:17] fully uodated [11:18] maybe try a fresh "test user" ? [11:19] yeh... that could worth a try [but I'm not expecting much difference] ;) [11:21] [just tried the quick option running as guest - tna] [11:22] bbs - gonna try as a new user user [11:29] does anyone know what a 'Locally Integrated Menu' is? [11:32] yes [11:32] now will you tell us? [11:32] sure [11:32] google it, omg had an article with a screenshot [11:34] so it turns the top level menu into a drop down on an icon? [11:34] ya [11:36] ah ok [11:39] my phone has finally decided, to upgrade itself, from google marlet, to google play. [11:39] market* [11:39] yay? [11:39] well, it does seem alittle more resource friendly, and alittle faster. [11:45] I've upgraded my Galaxy Nexus to 4.0.4 [11:45] Camera is fast again now [11:45] :) [11:46] * brobostigon is back on 2.3.7 [11:58] StevenR, you still here? [11:58] o/ [11:58] why does zgrep have a max number of arguements :/ [12:01] StevenR, no difference under a new user... guess it's a bug - no need to track down hardware or software - thanks for the suggestions [12:01] *now [12:03] * StevenR nods [13:03] Afternoon peeps :) [13:03] evening bigcalm [13:04] * bigcalm checks his watch === issyl0_ is now known as Guest61019 === Monster_Killer is now known as MonsterKiller [13:09] * SuperEngineer thinks hmmm - could get to like this Pangolin thing - darn! [13:10] pip pip bigcalm [13:11] Hazar, a wild popey appears [13:12] [yeh -must have finished playing Angry [13:12] Birds [13:12] just finished washing up after making sunday roast actually ☺ [13:13] Then it might be time to dig [13:15] heh [13:15] * bigcalm desires lunch, but Hayley isn't ready for it [13:15] bigcalm: you should join snowflake irc ☺ [13:16] popey: you should msg me the details :) [13:17] Ah, found the info [13:37] whoops - just tried the "How to create a Wikipedia Unity lens for Ubuntu" - big screen crash - my fault ☺ === Guest61019 is now known as issyl0 [15:30] hello [16:10] can i get apt to automatically install build-dep whenever i install a package? [16:19] I suspect the answer is "no", because that would be an odd thing for it to do [16:19] why would it be odd? [16:19] what would be the purpose if that? [16:19] what i really want to do is recursively install build dependencies for everything [16:20] but, why? [16:20] because i hate waiting for build-deps to download [16:20] no, why do you need build dependencies for *everything*? [16:20] so that i'll never have to get interrupted waiting for build-deps in the middle of trying to do something [16:21] installing build-deps is fine, but build-deps of build-deps etc, seems insane to me [16:21] but, if you really want to, you could create a script named apt-get in ~/bin/ that intercepts the apt-get command and also installs build-deps etc [16:22] ie: I doubt anyone has published a tool to do that already, so you'd have to make it yourself [16:27] could do it as a bash alias [16:29] What am I missing not installing build-deps? I don't tend to compile from source. [16:32] you could probably wrangle something with DPkg::Post-Invoke, but I'd be really quite cautious of sending dpkg into a loop [16:35] ali1234: IMHO it would be more useful to get dpkg-buildpackage to install the build-deps when it realises they're not there [16:35] unless i don't want to recompile with dpkg [16:36] ah well if you're building it and configuring it different then it might have different build-deps [16:36] yeah [16:36] which is why i want as many as possible already installed [16:36] because then i'll have to wait for less to install [16:48] * AlanBell is being very English and doing a bbq in the rain [16:52] are the chicken watching? [16:53] or do they have an erm...more active part in the bbq ? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:55] haha [17:11] lol [17:12] not this time, they are just spectators [18:20] What's a good thing to use to send money instead of paypal? [18:20] They just nuked a friends account :< [18:21] Azelphur: just "send cash to a friend" type of thing? [18:21] yea [18:21] bitcoins :P [18:22] MartijnVdS: haha, we would use bitcoins but he needs to purchase stuff from retailers that only accept USD [18:22] So.. direct bank transfer? [18:22] although it is bitcoin related business [18:22] (those are instant in .nl, don't know about the UK) [18:22] could do, but I dunno how well banks do with the whole currency conversion thing? [18:22] It's their job ;) [18:23] But sending money to another country might take longer [18:24] *shrug* [18:24] Azelphur: Is it all in one country, or are you in different ones? [18:24] different countries [18:24] he's canada, I'm UK [18:24] Canada, that's better than the US ;) [18:25] luckily paypal lets him refund recent transactions [18:25] or they would have eaten $1000 of mine :/ [18:25] refunded it all back to me and I'll send it to him a different way haha [18:25] Azelphur: My bank has a page (one for each country) on how to wire money there [18:26] MartijnVdS: that's pretty handy [18:26] Azelphur: maybe yours does too? [18:26] my bank is santander [18:26] they don't do anything handy ever [18:27] Azelphur: http://www.santander.co.uk/csgs/Satellite?appID=abbey.internet.Abbeycom&c=Page&canal=CABBEYCOM&cid=1210607023591&empr=Abbeycom&leng=en_GB&pagename=Abbeycom%2FPage%2FWC_ACOM_TemplateA2#Sending a payment to someone overseas; [18:27] ah fun :P [18:28] besides that though, is there any replacement for paypal that doesn't suck balls. [18:32] I think they pretty much have the market cornered, Azelphur. [18:33] :< [18:33] santander sucks man [18:34] Western Union? [18:36] Canada needs to join the EU -- it would make this a lot easier/cheaper ;) [18:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area [18:37] they should apply, I mean distance wise it's probably as close as some other places [18:37] penguin42: policy-wise as well.. and it'd annoy the hell out of the US :) [18:38] penguin42: Plus they already have your queen.. so it's a small step! [18:38] hey hey - lets be careful who is having our Majesty [18:38] OK "they share a queen with you".. better? [18:40] sharing nowt - they can have a bit of Prince Phillip if they really want [18:52] o/ [18:54] \o daubster [18:54] hmm.. [18:54] daubers: if you start making music, we need to call it "daubstep" [18:54] MartijnVdS: I'm still learning the banjo if that helps [18:55] yes daub | flite -f - [18:55] flite? [19:24] has anyone had any luck installing the lenses from here? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/10-unity-lenses-scopes/2 [19:24] sorry http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/10-unity-lenses-scopes/ [19:25] apt keeps telling me the ppa is not found http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/10-unity-lenses-scopes/ [19:26] constrictor: which version of Ubuntu are you running? [19:26] this is an article from January, Unity has changed since then [19:26] precise [19:26] constrictor: those PPAs are for 11.10 (oneiric) [19:26] ah i see [19:27] MartijnVdS: are there any for precise yet? [19:28] lots of lenses for precise [19:28] no idea where, but I've read people were making them [19:28] is there one ppa or are they all over he place [19:29] i found one if youre interested. The one I was looking for was for my google contacts and I think there's one for precise here [19:29] https://launchpad.net/~atareao/+archive/lenses [19:30] First: think of what kind of lens you want [19:30] then: go look for it [19:32] ta [19:40] hmm [19:46] * MartijnVdS considers http://www.voltaicsystems.com/fuse4w.shtml [19:47] the trunk kernel is kinda stable in DebianPPC :o [19:48] ? [19:49] Is there a useful editor so I can see what my readme would look like on github? [19:49] trying to write it in a text editor with no idea of the line length and stuff always results in bad [19:49] Don't people call it "README.md" on github? [19:49] yea [19:49] markdown [19:49] so.. look for a markdown viewer :) [19:50] aha, I found a live preview site on it [19:50] http://github.github.com/github-flavored-markdown/preview.html \o/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [20:40] ping AlanBell [20:41] o/ === mh0- is now known as mh0 [20:42] Can I ask for a set of CD's please? Am organising a stand at the NADAR rally for the reading hackspace so would have space for Ubuntu CD's :) [20:42] sure, want to wait for the 12.04 ones? [20:42] when is the event? [20:42] Yes please :) [20:42] 17th of June [20:42] oh great, no problem then [20:43] http://www.nadars.org.uk/rally.asp [20:43] It's only £7.50 for a stand if the UUK folks wanted to look at getting one [20:43] ooo [20:44] a radio rally that happens shortly after I get paid! [20:44] heh [20:44] day after my birthday [20:45] I was going to go to Blackpool today but I get paid on Tuesday... [20:56] anyone know how to check if a key is signed with gpg? [21:00] Is there a way to view binary files in hex? [21:05] bigcalm: GHex may do the trick [21:05] how do i get to the indicator icons with the keyboard? [21:05] mouse stopped working :/ [21:05] ali1234: Press F10 then use the arrow keys [21:06] didn;t work [21:06] =-O [21:06] SDL mouse grab has messed up unity [21:06] alt tab doesn't work [21:06] alt ` doesn't work [21:06] i can't click on anything at all [21:07] i can press windows-tab to get to launcher icons [21:07] i can click on things inside the focused window but clicking n a different window does nothing [21:07] can only change by windows-tab through launcher icons [21:09] this is really weird [21:13] well that was odd [21:13] 0o [21:15] i've experienced that before when using a usb mouse in gtk environment [21:15] i use a usb mouse in gtk all day every day [21:15] i think the mouse button events are trapped by some window level [21:16] yeah, it;s saomething to do with this SDL program i was just using for sure [21:16] it grabs the mouse [21:16] can't seem to reproduce it though [21:17] i'm sure you will when you next really need to get something done D [21:17] * :D [21:17] it was something to do with window focus [21:17] cos i had to alt-f4 all windows until there were none, then i could click unity stuff... when it got focus by default [21:18] the only correlation i've noticed is with using gimp [21:18] then i could log out and log in again [21:18] so i find window focus plausible [21:43] Western Digital or Seagate for 2 x 500gb SATA3 drives? [21:43] always been a WD fan myself but i don't think it really makes any difference [21:49] Ta [21:53] bigcalm: buy one of each [21:53] For a raid [21:53] less likely they'll both fail at the same time [21:53] exactly [21:53] Ah [21:53] You have a good point :) [21:53] i have had two drives from the same batch fail within a month or so of eachother [21:54] Obviously you haven't been drinking 8.5% alc Belgium beer [21:54] ☺ [21:54] 12.5% red wine actually [21:54] (best time to make online purchases) [21:56] I think the CO2 in the beer attaches the alc to hemoglobin. Thus a half pint of shandy will induce the same state as a pint of beer in the short term [21:56] haha [21:56] my friend got drunk enough the other night and woke up to confirmation order emails [21:56] Damn, if I can pontificate about this, I haven't drunk enough [21:56] ;D [21:56] back to the fridge with you! responsibly i mean... [21:57] I've ordered 8gb of ram, now for the hard drives [21:57] i ordered 3 ubuntu t-shirts whilst drunk once [21:57] they were withdrawn from sale the next day [21:57] so i have 3 of 72 that were sold ☺ [21:58] drunken popey dancing on the table with a laptop going CLOTH ME CANONICAL! [21:58] sounds amusing :> [21:58] I was gonna make a rude remark about running out of material, when making your size ;) [21:58] i wish i could afford a new pc :< [21:58] but na, better not [21:58] just bought a new data drive, due to old one failing [21:58] * Laney wants one of those intrepid t-shirts [21:58] directhex: what kit are you running? [21:59] http://www.ebuyer.com/272944-seagate-500gb-3-5-sata-iii-6gb-s-barracuda-hard-drive-7200rpm-16mb-cache-st500dm002 - and - http://www.ebuyer.com/241715-wd-500gb-3-5-sata-6gb-s-caviar-blue-hard-drive-7200rpm-16mb-wd5000aakx [21:59] i7 920, 5850 [21:59] pff that's plenty new [21:59] bigcalm, i just bought a deathstar! [21:59] i've a Q6600 back home [21:59] i should put them on ebay [21:59] directhex: bwuhaha :) [21:59] directhex: i always thought you'd be a bad guy [21:59] bigcalm, first time i've paid for an ibm^Whitachi disk [21:59] you could... give me one for free :-) [21:59] yeah [22:00] not gonna happen [22:00] daftykins, problem is, wifey has an i5 2500, and 6970 [22:00] :( [22:00] :( :( :( :( :( :( [22:00] As popey says, this should see me right enough :) I'm not out to fleece the company I work for [22:00] its my kids inheritance! [22:00] isn't the 6970, basically a 5870? [22:00] and now [22:00] bed [22:00] directhex: send 'er down the mines i say, earn for your toys :D [22:00] and fingers crossed a raspberry pi arrives this week [22:01] heh [22:01] what's an i? :( [22:01] i'm off too, up early for builders again [22:01] Yay, haven't used ebuyer for so long that they have forgotten my account :D [22:01] nn all \o [22:01] * Laney has e6600 (H) [22:02] Ah, wrong email [22:02] Night popey & daftykins [22:02] (my lappy has an i5, just transcoded some SD content at zomgfast) [22:02] bigcalm: gl with your purchasing :> [22:03] ta [22:09] To buy new ram and 2 hdd, I was given a budget of 250 quid exVAT. Total order has come to 190.57 incVAT [22:09] * bigcalm feels good about this [22:10] bigcalm, nice [22:12] how high is the unity top panel? [22:14] 24 pixels :) === chalcedony` is now known as chalcedony