[00:00] <babble> brianmwaters: I understand why you want to, but given that there's no public facing bug tracking for Parole on Launchpad, it'll probably just get forwarded to Xfce upstream anyway
[00:00] <brianmwaters> oh
[00:01] <babble> downstream ubuntu projects will have visible bugs filed through apport or on lp's web ui visible on the project page
[00:02] <brianmwaters> hm, it looks like an ubuntu issue, since both 12.04 beta 2 (where there is a problem) and Wheezy (where there is no problem) use the same upstream version
[00:03] <babble> ok, hmm.
[00:03] <babble> it doesn't make any sense that they're not tracking their own bugs publically in Launchpad, if they've done their own changes downstream though
[00:03] <brianmwaters> i suppose it could be an upstream problem brought to light by an environmental issue...
[00:03] <brianmwaters> maybe they haven't
[00:03] <babble> I'm not saying absolutely one way or the other. I'm not a parole dev in either case.
[00:04] <brianmwaters> is there supposed to be a special launchpad page for parole? or can i just file a bug against parole-0.2.0.6-1?
[00:04] <babble> brianmwaters: the Parole page in launchpad is here:
[00:04] <brianmwaters> i found it, thanks
[00:04] <babble> https://launchpad.net/parole
[00:04] <brianmwaters> sweet
[00:04] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole
[00:04] <GridCube> you can file a bug there too
[00:05] <babble> ahh, here we go
[00:05] <babble> there's a separate Parole in Ubuntu project.
[00:05] <babble> heh.
[00:05] <babble> *eyeroll.
[00:05] <babble> Launchpad drives me up the wall.
[00:05] <brianmwaters> yeah, it's confusing the hell out of me for the first time
[00:06] <brianmwaters> first time i've really seen it
[00:06] <babble> THAT'S Ubuntu's bugs. now that makes sense.
[00:06] <brianmwaters> oh i figured out how to do it
[00:06] <brianmwaters> thanks
[00:07] <GridCube> but then again
[00:07] <GridCube> i use ubuntubug XD
[00:08] <babble> purely as an aside, did alltray work enough for what you need for tray-minimized Parole?
[00:09] <brianmwaters> babble: i haven't messed w/ it yet
[00:09] <babble> hehe
[00:09] <brianmwaters> but i like the idea of it
[00:09] <brianmwaters> sort of unix-like, i can put any program in the tray
[00:16] <brianmwaters> okay thanks for the help guys, a friend is here and it's time for beer :) i'll finish that bug report later
[04:15] <lighta> hoi guys
[04:16] <lighta> I can't find Package 'glib-2.0' in new repo is this obsolete ?
[04:26] <bazhang> !find glib
[04:26] <bazhang> !find glib-2.0
[04:46] <lighta> ah thx
[04:58] <malv1> volume keys do not properly work
[07:38] <k_sze> Wow. Both gFTP and FileZilla are being useless.
[07:39] <k_sze> gFTP creates the directory with the wrong modes and then complains to me that it can't open it. Stupid piece of ...
[07:39] <k_sze> Whereas FileZilla just outright crashes when I try to drag a folder from the remote host to my local folder
[08:04] <doc|mobile> hey, just did an upgrade recently and rebooted just now and the machine won't come back up fully. Is this common?
[08:18] <well_laid_lawn> doc|mobile: do you just end up at a console prompt?
[08:18] <doc|mobile> well_laid_lawn: yeah
[08:18] <doc|mobile> no characters
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> does   ctrl+alt+F1   get you a login prompt?
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> or F2
[08:19] <doc|mobile> well_laid_lawn: yep
[08:20] <well_laid_lawn> log in and type   startxfce4   does it work?
[08:21] <doc|mobile> well_laid_lawn: hmm, no, seems to have failed on the nvidia drivers
[08:21] <doc|mobile> module nvidia_96 not found
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> you could try and reinstall that
[08:21] <doc|mobile> oh, need to reinstall the nvidia drivers for new kernel?
[08:21] <doc|mobile> ah, yeah
[08:21] <doc|mobile> ok
[08:22] <doc|mobile> that's annoying
[08:22] <well_laid_lawn> it should have been done when you got the new kernel
[08:23] <doc|mobile> :/
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> mostly it does happen automagically afaik
[08:33] <themadmonk> always broke for me well_laid_lawn - I remove proprietary stuff prior to upgrade then reinstall it.
[08:33] <doc|mobile> well_laid_lawn: reinstalled nvidia current, same result
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> did you reboot?
[08:34] <doc|mobile> this crap is why I switched away from gentoo on my desktop...
[08:34] <doc|mobile> yep
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> do you have to blacklist nouveau? I don't use nvidia
[08:34] <doc|mobile> I don't, no
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> it might be overwritten
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> error is still that it can't find the nvidia module?
[08:35] <doc|mobile> yeah
[08:35] <well_laid_lawn> maybe try a different version
[08:36] <doc|mobile> sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau <- just ran, rebooting
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[08:36] <doc|mobile> luck?
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like you might need it
[08:36] <doc|mobile> I removed it
[08:37] <doc|mobile> no help
[08:37] <well_laid_lawn> can you pastebin the X log?
[08:37] <doc|mobile> nope, no X server
[08:37] <doc|mobile> :)
[08:37] <well_laid_lawn> !pastebinit
[08:38] <doc|mobile> ok, one sec
[08:40] <doc|mobile> http://paste.ubuntu.com/930709/
[08:40] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:40] <doc|mobile> thanks
[08:40] <doc|mobile> looks like it's choking on the module itself
[08:41] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> something about the install isn't working right - is there another driver version you can try
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> apt-cache search nvidia
[08:43] <doc|mobile> there's an nvidia-96
[08:43] <doc|mobile> no idea why that even exists now
[08:43] <doc|mobile> everything was working fine
[08:43] <doc|mobile> should I try it?
[08:43] <well_laid_lawn> I would give it a go
[08:44] <doc|mobile> says it's already the newest version
[08:45] <well_laid_lawn> I can have a quick google
[08:49] <well_laid_lawn> there's nothing new on the net or forums about nvidia failing
[08:50] <doc|mobile> gah
[08:50] <doc|mobile> ok, too late now. Will have to fix this tomorrow
[08:50] <doc|mobile> thanks for your help
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> ok see ya
[08:50] <doc|mobile> night
[08:50] <doc|mobile> thanks again
[08:51] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[09:00] <ipv6hermit> hey guys, I have a question.  I'm using xubuntu natty.  when 12.04 comes out will I be able to upgrade directly to 12.04?
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> !upgrade
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> derp
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> !lts
[09:04] <well_laid_lawn> you can go from lts to the next lts or upgrade one step at a time afaik
[09:05] <forestpiskie> I had heard - but have not looked into it - that the new installer will ask if you want to upgrade from older version, I would be inclined to not do it though and backup and clean install
[09:06] <Sysi> natty is not LTS and it's not version previous to 12.04
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> !alternate
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> alternate can be used as an upgrade disk
[10:51] <xubuntu402> hi
[10:52] <xubuntu402> can you help me?
[11:26] <baizon> ehh
[11:37] <Myrtti> IRC, the land of impatience
[11:39] <forestpiskie> there's a world full of entitlement issues out there
[11:40] <Sysi> I'd comment to that after half an hour but I'm afraid someone comes up with a question or something
[13:03] <loppy> hello?
[13:05] <loppy> hello?
[13:06] <loppy> hi monitox
[13:09] <SandJ> loppy, how did you get on with your USB installation of Xubuntu two days ago?
[13:12] <loppy> it worked out great! and i am using it now!
[13:12] <SandJ> Brilliant!
[13:13] <SandJ> It took me two years to get Ubuntu installed from a USB stick.
[13:13] <loppy> my goodness.
[13:13] <SandJ> I had to wait until it was easy enough for me to follow the instructions.  ;-)
[13:14] <loppy> yeah that was a good idea!
[13:15] <kalle_r_> hello
[13:16] <loppy> hi
[13:17] <kalle_r_> gvo is it good can i run xp software backwatds on ubuntu?
[13:18] <kalle_r_> hi
[13:18] <kalle_r_> tgj
[13:18] <kalle_r_> hi
[13:18] <kalle_r_> hi all pooples
[13:19] <kalle_r_> poopy cheesr?
[13:19] <kalle_r_> pooples
[13:34] <niker> Hello
[15:27] <Cris_> hello
[15:28] <Cris_> i would like to ask a question - but i do not know if i am in the right place
[15:28] <Cris_> it's about thunderbird and new mail notifications
[15:29] <Cris_> (that do not work)
[15:29] <Cris_> i have xUbunutu 11.10
[15:29] <Cris_> i have search the web a lot but i did not found any fix
[15:29] <Cris_> the only thing that somehow works is Firetray
[15:30] <Cris_> does anybody knows how to integrate Thunderbird in Indicator Plugin ?
[15:31] <Cris_> it doesn't change the icon when new mail arrives
[15:31] <GridCube> Cris_, this is the proper place to ask
[15:31] <GridCube> but i dont really know about this topic
[15:32] <GridCube> let me do some research
[15:32] <Cris_> i do not know if i have explained well the problem
[15:32] <GridCube> ochosi, you use thunderbird right?
[15:32] <Cris_> yes
[15:33] <Cris_> 11.0.1
[15:33] <ochosi> GridCube: nope, claws
[15:33] <GridCube> oh
[15:33] <ochosi> but i'd say in 12.04 this should work fine
[15:33] <GridCube> ochosi, Cris_ here is having problem with icon notification on thunderbird
[15:33] <ochosi> i dunno about 11.10
[15:33] <ochosi> haven't tried indicator-messages there
[15:34] <Cris_> but the last version is 11.0.1
[15:34] <GridCube> mmm i don't know then Cris_ let medo some research on the interwebs
[15:34] <ochosi> Cris_: have you enabled the proposed updates?
[15:35] <ochosi> i remember there being some issue with TB in 11.10, but i'm not sure anymore, could be that it was fixed after release
[15:35] <Cris_> ok if there are issues with 11 i will upgrade BUT from where can i take thundebird 12 ?
[15:37] <babble> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/thunderbird-next
[15:38] <Cris_> ok thank you verry much - i will try the new version
[15:40] <martinphone> how do I check if my RAM is ddr3?
[15:44] <GridCube> sudo lshw | grep "ddr"
[15:45] <GridCube> sudo lshw | grep "DDR"
[15:45] <GridCube> :P
[15:45] <GridCube> in allcaps
[15:48] <GridCube> martinphone, ^^^^^
[15:49] <martinphone> thanks
[15:49] <martinphone> where is the output?
[15:50] <GridCube> in the same terminal screen
[15:50] <GridCube> it takes some times
[15:50] <martinphone> I dont see anything..
[15:50] <martinphone> ok ill wait
[15:51] <martinphone> what does PCI (sysfs) mean?
[15:52] <bazhang> dmidecode ? iirc
[15:52] <GridCube> it means its checking your sistem
[15:52] <GridCube> s/sistem/system
[15:54] <GridCube> in my netbook it takes about 30 seconds to a minute
[15:54] <ochosi> Cris_: not sure whether the bug isn't in indicator-messages
[15:54] <martinphone> well, it stopped now, and I dont see any output
[15:54] <martinphone> dexter@dexter-M7X0SUN:~$ sudo lshw | grep "DDR"
[15:54] <martinphone> dexter@dexter-M7X0SUN:~$
[15:54] <ochosi> Cris_: just saying, not sure though. google- or launchpad-search would help
[15:55] <GridCube> ooh
[15:56] <GridCube> martinphone, you can do a sudo lshw > computerspecs.txt
[15:56] <GridCube> and then search with your favorite txt editor the part that starts with *-memory
[15:58] <GridCube> in my case doing the grep "DDR" told me the two slots i have for ddr2, and that one is empty :P
[16:00] <martinphone> I need help to understand the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/931244/
[16:01] <martinphone> DO I have 2 slots (banks) and one is empty?
[16:01] <GridCube> yes
[16:02] <martinphone> if so, I could add a 4GB even a 6GB ram to the empty slot and get a total 8GB ram, couldnt I?
[16:06] <GridCube> i guess so
[16:06] <GridCube> but the "DIMM" its pretty generic
[16:08] <martinphone> is that a problme?
[16:08] <martinphone> problem
[16:12] <martinphone> i found this http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/Clevo-memory/MobiNote/M771SUN-upgrades.html
[16:12] <martinphone> thats my model
[16:12] <forestpiskie> Maximum Memory: 4GB
[16:12] <forestpiskie> 2 slots max of 2Gb per slot
[16:13] <martinphone> mmm... the laptop was bought 3 years ago, was it good for that time?
[16:13] <martinphone> thanks for pointing that for me forestpiskie
[16:13] <GridCube> martinphone, it still is
[16:14] <forestpiskie> welcome
[16:14] <GridCube> the "4gb limit" is forwindows machines
[16:14] <martinphone> noob me though I should aim for 8GBRAM
[16:14] <GridCube> if you use linux and install a pae enabled kernel you can use as much as you want
[16:14] <martinphone> there, more things I dont understand...
[16:15] <GridCube> !pae | martinphone
[16:15] <martinphone> mine is a 64bit one
[16:15] <GridCube> much better then
[16:16] <GridCube> 64bit kernels allows for like 7TB of ram
[16:16] <martinphone> can you please take a look at http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/Clevo-memory/MobiNote/M771SUN-upgrades.html once again and look at the solid state drive? if its there it means I could buy that, couldnt I? but doesnt this conflict with the MAximum 4GB rule?
[16:17] <forestpiskie> martinphone: what you need to do is check what the motherboard will allow you to have
[16:17] <martinphone> forestpiskie, is that in sysinfo?
[16:18] <GridCube> martinphone, solid state driver are just line all normal hard drives, excpt they dont have spinin plates, so are more portable and safe, but that has nothing to do with you ram
[16:20] <forestpiskie> martinphone: try sudo dmidecode |grep Maximum  see what it says for maximum total memroy size
[16:20] <Sysi> (hint, grep -i for incasesensitive)
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Size: 16 kB
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Size: 1024 kB
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Size: 512 kB
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Capacity: 12 GB
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Value: Unknown
[16:21] <martinphone> 	Maximum Value: Unknown
[16:22] <forestpiskie> not showing it then
[16:25] <martinphone> GridCube, is DIMM pretty generic because the RAM memory is from a not well known manufacturer? should I buy the package of 2?
[16:27] <GridCube> martinphone, yes, yes you should
[16:27] <GridCube> :)
[16:27] <GridCube> 4gb in dualchannel mode its much more efficient than single channel
[16:28] <martinphone> so my laptop comes with a generic ram memory...
[16:28] <GridCube> and im afraid i dont understand how the ram limit work on notebook
[16:30] <GridCube> so i recommend you to use the 2x2gb ones to get the best of them ;)
[16:30] <martinphone> well, apparently this notebook cannot support more than 4GBRAM...
[16:31] <martinphone> have you ever sold a used 2gb ram like the one Im going to get rid of?
[16:32] <GridCube> nope
[16:33] <martinphone> is it because it is now worthless, or no more than 8 bucks?
[16:36] <GridCube> no, because i never had any :P
[16:36] <xubuntu711> hi all
[16:37] <GridCube> hello :)
[16:37] <xubuntu711> someone can help me
[16:37] <SandJ> Probably.
[16:37] <xubuntu711> about xubuntu
[16:37] <SandJ> Probably.
[16:37] <xubuntu711> i have 2 HDD with ethernet interface
[16:37] <xubuntu711> how can i mount them
[16:37] <xubuntu711> ?
[16:38] <GridCube> ...hdd with ethernet?
[16:38] <GridCube> O_o
[16:38] <xubuntu711> 2 hard disk connected to my router
[16:38] <babble> it's probably a mini NAS of one sort or another. Who made your NAS, xubuntu711?
[16:39] <GridCube> never heard of that before
[16:39] <SandJ> Sounds like a NAS server.
[16:40] <babble> it's likely that it publishes smb shares for it, but I'd like to get a look at a product page for your particular product if possible.
[16:40] <GridCube> xubuntu711, care to share the model name?
[16:41] <xubuntu711> they are 2 conceptronic
[16:42] <xubuntu711> with samba server
[16:42] <xubuntu711> a sort of entry level nas
[16:43] <xubuntu711> model grab'n'go
[16:43] <GridCube> xubuntu711, this might help you http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1008590.html
[16:43] <SandJ> Is it the Dual Bay Home Media Store, CH3HNAS ?
[16:44] <babble> if they publish samba shares, you can a) look for it as a network share in Gigolo or b) look for it as a network share in Thunar, if you have gvfs-backends installed.
[16:47] <babble> sec, I'm digging on conceptronic's website (if that's your NAS) to see what the default share names might be
[16:49] <xubuntu711> they are CHD3net
[16:49] <babble> if that's your product, full product manuals are here:
[16:49] <babble> http://www.conceptronic.net/download_list.php?back=1&stype=1&search=CH3HNAS
[16:49] <babble> ahh, net
[16:49] <babble> let me see what I can find for that
[16:50] <xubuntu711> i'm tring with gigolo
[16:50] <babble> product manuals for the CHD3NET are here:
[16:50] <babble> http://www.conceptronic.net/fr/download_list.php?stype=3&productid=400
[16:50] <SandJ> It's looking promising - fixed ip address, web interface...
[16:51] <babble> if you don't have the product manual, go grab it and find out what the default IP address for its web interface is
[16:51] <xubuntu711> i know the IPs and the name
[16:51] <babble> then open that with a web browser and you should be able to set up its various configs as you like
[16:52] <xubuntu711> i already set up samba, the public folders and all the TCP IP configurations
[16:52] <babble> you know the IP and the share name of a given drive? in that case, do a new connection in Gigolo using that as your smb server and share.
[16:52] <babble> if you can't connect to smb in Gigolo, install gvfs-backends
[16:52] <babble> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[16:52] <xubuntu711> what is a URI
[16:53] <babble> you need gvfs-backends
[16:55] <xubuntu711> ok, i insalled gvfs
[16:55] <babble> quit and relaunch Gigolo
[16:56] <babble> in there, do a new connection, and Windows Share should now be available
[16:57] <xubuntu711> i create a new connection but in kind of service i have only personal position
[16:57] <babble> what did you install?
[16:57] <babble> did you install gvfs-backends?
[16:57] <babble> the -backends is important
[16:57] <xubuntu711> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[16:57] <babble> quit and reluanch Gigolo
[16:58] <xubuntu711> ok now it is available
[16:58] <babble> yes, when I said quit, I really meant quit.
[16:58] <xubuntu711> i closed the windows but didn't restart gigolo
[16:59] <babble> once you have the shares connected, you can make bookmarks for them in Gigolo, and/or you can set them to automount (also in Gigolo) -- look at the Bookmarks interface once the shares are mounted.
[17:01] <xubuntu711> what is the right syntax for the server field
[17:01] <xubuntu711> the ip address or the name?
[17:01] <babble> it will do numeric IP or server-name.local or SERVER-NAME (that last should be case-insensitive)
[17:01] <babble> assuming your NAS does zeroconf on the other end, server-name.local will work
[17:02] <xubuntu711> without \
[17:02] <babble> it will manage that for you
[17:03] <babble> let's assume it does zeroconf, and try server-name.local
[17:04] <xubuntu711> it don't find my folders
[17:04] <babble> what's the SMB server name of one of the NAS drives?
[17:05] <xubuntu711> the NAS name is HDD-ETH2 and the folder is Public
[17:06] <babble> in the server field, try:
[17:06] <babble> HDD-ETH2
[17:06] <babble> in the Share field, do:
[17:06] <babble> Public
[17:06] <babble> no extra back or forward slashes
[17:06] <babble> just the server name and the share name
[17:06] <babble> do you need a username to connect to that share?
[17:07] <xubuntu711> ok, it works, the folders name was case sensitive
[17:07] <babble> once you have it mounted, make a bookmark for it (right click its mount icon in Gigolo)
[17:08] <babble> if you want to open/save files from your open/save dialogs in non-Gnome apps, it mounts in ~/.gvfs (I have a symlink for this for easier access)
[17:10] <xubuntu711> thank you for your help
[17:10] <babble> no worries :)
[17:10] <xubuntu711> just a question
[17:10] <xubuntu711> probably a stupid question
[17:10] <babble> only if you don't ask ;)
[17:10] <xubuntu711> but i am a dummy
[17:10] <babble> ask.
[17:10] <xubuntu711> where i find the bookmark
[17:11] <babble> in Gigolo, there's a toolbar you can turn on, here:
[17:11] <babble> View > Toolbar
[17:11] <babble> there's a pullout menu underneath the Connect icon
[17:12] <babble> or next to connect, depending on how you have the toolbar oriented.
[17:14] <xubuntu711> ok,
[17:14] <babble> all set?
[17:14] <xubuntu711> i opened the file manager and put the shortcut on the left
[17:14] <babble> that works, if you don't mind keeping it there.
[17:14] <xubuntu711> i'll find it already connected on the next start up
[17:15] <xubuntu711> i'll find it already connected on the next start up?
[17:15] <babble> no; Gigolo mounts will automount (look at the bookmarks in Gigolo) when *Gigolo* loads.
[17:15] <babble> but you can add Gigolo as a startup app and have it start minimized to the tray
[17:15] <xubuntu711> how can make it
[17:15] <xubuntu711> ?
[17:16] <babble> Apps menu (mouse) > Settings > Settings Manager > Session & Startup : Application Autostart : Add (look down in the lower left for the Add button)
[17:17] <babble> once you add an autostart launcher for Gigolo, let me know.
[17:17] <babble> we'll set a couple more things in Gigolo
[17:18] <xubuntu711> i try it later thank you babble
[17:18] <babble> no worries. :)
[17:33] <Riba1122> Hello.
[17:33] <Riba1122> Is it possible in the terminal (Xfce Terminal Emulator) to change the color of the "user@host" text?
[17:40] <Sysi> patience day
[18:06] <Kingsy> guys, I am having a weird problem with sound devices not being recognised and not working, check this out when I run alsamixer --> http://pastie.org/3793512
 patience day - lol!  I was about to paste how to change the prompt colour.
[19:09] <SandJ> I wonder what the record is for connecting, posting a question, then giving up?
[19:16] <GridCube> less than 10 seconds
[19:36] <saint_carlos> Hi there, am I in the right place for a bit of a helping hand? I've always googled any problems I've had in the past but this time I'm a bit stumped.
[19:43] <GridCube> !ask | saint_carlos
[19:45] <saint_carlos> Thanks, First time here and all that.
[19:45] <GridCube> :) you ask
[19:59] <SandJ> Ready when you are, saint_carlos.
[20:04] <marky_> evening xubuntu: I have a networkmanager issue with 11.10 that's really confusing me: i'm attempting to use a huawei E173 usb modem. usb_modswitch reports success and network manager recognises the modem, but 'mobile broadband' will not enable.  i get errors in /var/log/syslog: 'modem-manager failed to enable USSD notifications'  'NetworkManager: failed to find usable modem character set'
[20:05] <marky_> i'm at a loss and would greatly appreciate some advice: searching suggests that most problems up to 11.04 were issues with usb_modswitch and if this is successful everything tends to work :/
[20:09] <saint_carlos> My problem is a lack of sound. In the mixer panel it shows 'Ensoniq AudioPCI (Alsa Mixer)' also 'Playback: Internal Audio Analogue Stereo (PulseAudio Mixer)' as well as a couple of 'capture' entries. All volume is turned up and unmuted. I'm running Xubuntu 10.10 Any help would be great, sorry about the delay my dinner was ready.
[20:10] <saint_carlos> Sorry I meant version11.10
[20:11] <SandJ> Have you had sound from this computer before?
[20:14] <SandJ> If so, we can eliminate lots of easy things quickly: are the speakers plugged into the right socket, are they switched on and turned up, do the speakers actually work, etc.
[20:14] <saint_carlos> Not with this card specifically, but I have with the soundblaster audigy that was in it. I swapped for the spare I had lying around as a test of the hardware it's self. The SBaudigy basically gave me the same results I'm getting now only with different entries in lspci
[20:15] <saint_carlos> It's not my computer, it's my sisters but i'm pretty sure the speakers work as there is a crackle on plugging in/unplugging.
[20:15] <SandJ> "basically gave me the same results" - So no sound from either sound card?
[20:15] <saint_carlos> That's right.
[20:16] <SandJ> Hmm.  Can you first test the speakers in anything else?  Or, plug in headphones that you *know* work?
[20:17] <saint_carlos> Yep, bare with me
[20:19] <saint_carlos> speakers work
[20:20] <SandJ> Good!  There will also be sound output sockets on the motherboard; it's worth checking the output isn't coming from there.
[20:22] <saint_carlos> Have already disabled the onboard sound in BIOS... Huh! I just plugged speakers back into the line out instead of speaker out and that gives me sound. This card must have a knackered output. Strange that there was no sound from the SB card when that was in but this is enough of a solution for me.
[20:23] <saint_carlos> Thank you for your help and I'm sorry to have apparently wasted your time.
[20:24] <SandJ> :-)
[20:24] <SandJ> No worries.
[20:28] <saint_carlos> Thanks again for your time, I'll have to remember this place if I'm ever stumped in the future. Only next time I'll exhaust all possibilities before coming on here and making an idiot of myself. Bye
[20:33] <SandJ> You have not made a fool of yourself nor wasted my time.
[20:34] <SandJ> Sometimes it is necessary to describe a problem to someone else and go through the motions of diagnosing it again to see what you have over-looked.
[20:35] <babble> I'll frequently ask folks to start over when they come in, describing what they've already done, for precisely that reaosn.
[20:35] <babble> *reason
[20:37] <SandJ> If we were perfect, we wouldn't be human.
[20:37] <babble> well, I'm perfect. heh.
[20:37] <saint_carlos> Cool Cool. Keep up the good help then chaps. It will always be well recieved and appreciated from the likes of me.
[20:37] <SandJ> And Microsoft products would be great and we wouldn't need Linux.
[20:37] <babble> I don't need Linux. I *want* Linux. :)
[20:37] <saint_carlos> True True
[20:38] <SandJ> Then thank Bill Gates.
[20:38] <babble> *eyeroll.
[20:38] <SandJ> Ironic, isn't it?
[20:38] <babble> not really, no.
[20:38] <saint_carlos> Dare I mention apple products... They have been the bain of my life lately too.
[20:38] <babble> saint_carlos: I'm a Mac user as well. Anything you want to go over, that's causing you pain?
[20:40] <saint_carlos> Not me personally. People keep asking me questions about their Ipads, and Itunes and such... But I don't use any of them so it throws me. In most cases it is novices not syncing stuff right or storing stuff in the wrong places.
[20:41] <babble> saint_carlos: eh. toss them at their local Apple Store or support.apple.com
[20:41] <saint_carlos> Yeah I should, never thought of that.
[20:42] <babble> Apple retail exists the way it does for exactly this reason.
[20:42] <SandJ> Consumer electronics.  Nightmare.
[20:42] <babble> (yes, Apple wants to make boatloads of cash, but presenting themselves as a lifestyle brand is how they're doing it.)
[20:45] <saint_carlos> I've just been informed of another problem on this system so I may as well bring it up while I'm here.
[20:47]  * babble waits. 
[20:48] <saint_carlos> When I put in an audio cd it shows up on the desktop as 'audio disc' but when I double click I get failed to mount 'audio disc" Location is not mountable.
[20:49] <SandJ> Aha!  I raised a bug a few days ago for Xubuntu and audio CDs.  :D
[20:50] <SandJ> Parole is failing to work with it, yes?
[20:50] <babble> do you have gvfs-backends?
[20:50] <SandJ> Install the Exaile application and the problem goes away - the build expects Exaile but includes Parole.
[20:50] <SandJ> Many people prefer gmusicbrowser for audio CDs so installing that is another solution.
[20:50] <xubuntu626> hi all im switching from windows to linux os  was wondering if any of you loveley ppl could point me in the direction of a book or list of linux commands
[20:51] <babble> xubuntu626: what do you want to start with? bash/terminal commands?
[20:51] <xubuntu626> terminal please :D
[20:51] <saint_carlos> Doesn't do anything in parole or gmusicbrowser.
[20:52] <saint_carlos> I'll check for gvfs-backends and install exaile. I prefer movie player that comes with ubuntu anyway.
[20:53] <babble> saint_carlos: if you don't have gvfs-backends, install it (among other things, it includes schema for audiocd mounts)
[20:53] <babble> if you want Totem, you'll want gvfs-backends
[20:53] <SandJ> 11.10 audio CD bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/901766
[20:53] <saint_carlos> totem! That's what it's called. I could remember
[20:53] <babble> xubuntu626: Bash for Beginners is here: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
[20:53] <saint_carlos> *couldn't
[20:54] <xubuntu626> thanks babble :D \0/ woot get screwed windows!
[20:54] <GridCube> moving around the terminal: xubuntu626 : http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html
[20:54] <babble> and, again, *eyeroll.
[20:54] <saint_carlos> I take it I can't install gvfs -backends from ubuntu software centre
[20:55] <GridCube> why not?
[20:55] <babble> defining the standard of the successfulness of A by the failure of B is nearly always futile in the long run
[20:55] <babble> saint_carlos: or, if it's quicker, do:
[20:55] <GridCube> saint_carlos, its all thogether, gvfs-backends, no space involved
[20:55] <babble> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends
[20:55] <babble> in your terminal
[20:55] <xubuntu626> thanx babble i appologise for that outburst but im excited lol
[20:56] <babble> xubuntu626: no need to apologize.
[20:56] <xubuntu626> still appreciate the help. of i go to install by all
[20:57] <saint_carlos> userspace virtual filesystem - backends?
[20:58] <saint_carlos> NVM - i just saw your previous
[20:58] <babble> saint_carlos: is this your description?
[20:58] <babble> http://paste.ubuntu.com/931689/
[20:58] <babble> if so, yes, that's gvfs-backends
[20:59] <foobArrr> is there a way to bookmark smb shares in thunar? I tried dragging to the sidebar, disappeared after restart.
[21:00] <babble> foobArrr: unmounted bookmarked shares in the thunar sidebar won't remount automatically, but you can bookmark them in Gigolo and set Gigolo to autostart on login
[21:00] <foobArrr> thx
[21:00] <babble> if you set your Gigolo bookmarks to automount, those will mount when Gigolo loads.
[21:02] <babble> (or if you want to be l33t, you can mount them through fstab)
[21:06] <SandJ> I have smb shares that require passwords.  I could find no way of getting to them in Thunar.  In the end I installed PCManFM as my file manager; I nearly went for nautilus.
[21:07] <SandJ> Frankly, Thunar is pants.
[21:07] <babble> SandJ: would either fstab or Gigolo mounts not have been enough?
[21:07] <foobArrr> hm, I think that's both not a good idea for me, the other pc (with the share) is off most of the time. thanks anyway.
[21:08] <babble> foobArrr: there's no absolute requirement to automount a Gigolo bookmark
[21:08] <babble> if the server is off most of the time, fstab is likely not what you want though, true enough
[21:09] <babble> SandJ: I have smb shares that require passwords; those are in my login keyring and Gigolo handles the rest.
[21:09] <foobArrr> babble: i went for gigolo (without automount)
[21:12] <SandJ> "login keyring"?
[21:13] <babble> SandJ: do you have Passwords and Keys (seahorse) installed?
[21:13] <SandJ> Is this going to be related to why KMail prompts me for my POP3 passwords over and over and over?
[21:13] <babble> it's possible.
[21:14] <SandJ> No, seahorse is not installed.  Installing...
[21:14] <babble> that will give you a GUI frontend for gnome-keyring keys, and SSH keys and GPG keys (and likely other stuff I don't use)
[21:15] <babble> if you don't have kwallet, that should fix your KMail issue
[21:16] <babble> anyway, gvfs shares save passwords in a gnome-keyring called 'login' by default, that unlocks on login.
[21:17] <babble> either of those (kwallet and gnome-keyring) should have login keyrings that unlock themselves on login (or kwallet did when I last used KDE, but that was a little while ago, so bear with)
[21:19] <SandJ> The documentation for seahorse is pants.  "You can use Passwords and Keys to create and manage PGP and SSH keys." Great.  Now what does that mean?  When it says "Publish and retrieve keys from key servers" I hope it doesn't mean "store passwords online".
[21:19] <Saint_Carlo> I'm back, had a bit of a problem and hit a reboot. I'm getting there with the audio cd mounting.
[21:20] <babble> SandJ: you don't have to shove your local keyrings anyplace.
[21:20] <babble> it's just there as a convenience if you want to use it.
[21:21] <babble> (can I guess you *also* don't have gnome-keyring installed?)
[21:22] <SandJ> Well, it's getting uninstalled.  I'm not having a poorly documented password-recording program installed, that's just silly.  kwalletmanager is not installed either.  And the ratings for both seahorse and kwalletmanager are off-putting too.
[21:23] <babble> SandJ: YMMV. Enter passwords by hand, if you don't want to store them in something you consider poorly documented.
[21:23] <SandJ> gnome-keyring is installed.
[21:23] <babble> but KMail expects to store in kwallet which is why it keeps prompting you
[21:24] <SandJ> Hey ho.  I'm off to bed.  Thank you for your help, babble.  I shall think on the matter tomorrow.  :-)
[21:24]  * SandJ is away: to bed
[21:24] <babble> I'll do a little digging and see what may work for KDE apps other than kwalletmanager
[21:25] <knome> SandJ, please don't use public away messages. thanks