[00:05] <Roasted> hello!
[00:05] <Roasted> It seems as if 12.04's "users" panel is just users and not "users and groups" like before.
[00:06] <Roasted> Not sure why this fail was made, but how do I get the old GUI back to get group functionality working?
[00:15] <Will123456> in unity 5.10, is the dash -> HUD application icon animation gone?
[00:18] <CaptainKnots> I must say that unity 5.10 is the first release that made me actually stop hating unity and start using it for everything instead
[00:18] <Will123456> CaptainKnots: i'm still hoping the bug i've been championing will get fixed in time, then i'll be happy :)
[00:19] <CaptainKnots> I just have a bit of flickering when I rotate desktop cube
[00:19] <Roasted> CaptainKnots, I hear ya.
[00:19] <CaptainKnots> I'm wondering if turning off 'sync to vblank' will fix it
[00:19] <Roasted> CaptainKnots, I was very vocal against Unity.
[00:19] <Roasted> CaptainKnots, but Unity in 12.04 has released my death grip from Gnome Shell. I actually "prefer" Unity now. Scary...
[00:20] <CaptainKnots> on my other hard drive I have debian sid with cinnamon
[00:20] <CaptainKnots> but now I don't really use it
[00:20] <CaptainKnots> it's easier to focus on dev work with Unity
[00:20] <Roasted> HUD is addicting as well
[00:20] <Roasted> It's strangely awesome...
[00:20] <CaptainKnots> instead of being distracted every 5 minutes
[00:20] <Roasted> I find that Unity is there when I need it, and out of my face when I don't.
[00:21] <CaptainKnots> Roasted: I would show you my setup but I don't think I can post NSFW links in here
[00:21] <CaptainKnots> heh
[00:23] <c_smith> Hello, How do I get Conky to read my Wlan speed in 12.04?
[00:23] <Belial`> the only thing that's not working well for me in 5.10 is being able to change the launcher and dash color.
[00:23] <Belial`> instead of letting the wallpaper decide.
[00:24] <c_smith> Belial`, 5.10? that's old school.
[00:24] <Belial`> unity
[00:24] <CaptainKnots> Belial`: I can change it for dash, but when I close dash it autodecides back
[00:24] <Belial`> CaptainKnots, same here. as soon as i take focus off of ccsm, it changes back.
[00:24] <c_smith> oh,
[00:25] <c_smith> anyone know if the configuration of Conky in 12.04 is any different from 11.10?
[00:25] <c_smith> if it's no different, could I ask in #ubuntu?
[00:26] <ChogyDan> so if I upgrade to unity, will gnome-panel still be there with all my current setups?   another question, does dropbox work with unity?
[00:27] <c_smith> ChogyDan, which Gnome panel are you using? 2.x.x or 3?
[00:27] <Pretto> does anyone knows where can I access the gnome-online-contacts from
[00:27] <CaptainKnots> Belial`: a workaround for that is to make the center pixel of your wallpaper the color that you want your launcher to be
[00:27] <ChogyDan> c_smith: whatever is in precise, I mean the package, gnome-panel
[00:27] <ChogyDan> so I think that is 3
[00:27] <Belial`> that's a good idea, CaptainKnots.
[00:27] <Belial`> i'm gonna try that right now.
[00:28] <c_smith> then that would be 3, it should be there.
[00:28] <Pretto> does anyone knows where can I access the gnome-online-contacts from  unity system settings? I can reach it from gnome-shell 3 but not from unity
[00:28] <c_smith> ChogyDan, all your configurations should be there.
[00:42] <CaptainKnots> Belial`: did it work for you? it works on my end
[00:43] <Belial`> here's a stupid question...how did you find the center pixel?
[00:43] <Belial`> haha
[00:45] <CaptainKnots> Belial`: width / 2
[00:46] <CaptainKnots> height / 2
[00:46] <Belial`> thanks
[00:48] <CaptainKnots> ugh, CEFs for Desurium take forever to build
[01:34] <Roasted> are 12.04's repos sort of out of wack?
[01:35] <Roasted> I can't find certain packages in 12.04 that I could previously find in 11.10. Currently No-IP2 is a package I can't find
[01:36] <ChogyDan> Roasted: have you checked packages.ubuntu.com?
[01:36] <Roasted> ChogyDan, I have not, but I'm on it now.
[01:36] <Roasted> First glance, no sign.
[01:36] <Roasted> This isn't the first time this happened. What's up with the repos?
[01:37] <ChogyDan> whats the package name?
[01:37] <Roasted> no-ip2
[01:37] <Roasted> It's for DDNS with No-IP.com
[01:37] <ChogyDan> was it ever in the repos?
[01:37] <Roasted> yup
[01:38] <Roasted> 11.10 it was for sure
[01:38] <Roasted> No-IP's site even says if you're running Ubuntu just apt-get install it
[01:38] <Roasted> whereas other distros have the tarball download
[01:39] <ChogyDan> oh, it is noip2
[01:39] <Roasted> tried it
[01:39] <Roasted> unable to locate
[01:39] <Roasted> just changed my download server, updated, unable to locate
[01:39] <CaptainKnots> Roasted: I know it's not the same, but have you tried ez-ipupdate ?
[01:40] <Roasted> no
[01:40] <CaptainKnots> it's a dynamic dns services client
[01:40] <Roasted> but, I shouldn't have to
[01:40] <ChogyDan> Roasted: maybe for now, try the oneiric version
[01:40] <Roasted> This isn't the first package I ran into that didn't exist in 12.04's repos.
[01:40] <Roasted> ChogyDan, is that possible?
[01:40] <ChogyDan> Roasted: I think so
[01:42] <Roasted> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/amd64/noip2/download
[01:42] <Roasted> win
[01:42] <bucky> this is probably pretty faq... but I can't install ffmpeg because the right version of libav-tools is not available.. is there a ppa available?
[01:44] <ChogyDan> Roasted: the issue is with debian, debian removed it on their end
[01:44] <ChogyDan> not sure why
[01:45] <Roasted> ChogyDan, uh
[01:45] <Roasted> really?
[01:45] <Roasted> how did you find out?
[01:46] <Roasted> are there any other packages that support no-ip by chance?
[01:46] <fishcooker> why many distro doesn't have support for battery
[01:46] <fishcooker> ?
[01:46] <ChogyDan> Roasted: I can just kinda tell that it is auto imported from debian, since there doesn't seem to be a specific ubuntu maintainer
[01:48] <ChogyDan> I eventually found this page: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/no-ip.html
[01:49] <ChogyDan> Roasted: ^
[01:49] <Roasted> I still don't understand why it was removed
[01:49] <Roasted> was it, like, damaging something?
[01:49] <ChogyDan> Im guessing the maintainer lost interest, so it was orphaned
[01:50] <Roasted> maintained? It wasn't updated sicne 2008
[01:50] <Roasted> it works
[01:50] <Roasted> why not leave it
[01:50] <Roasted> without the no-ip package, what else am I to use? does ddcdlient support it?
[01:50] <ChogyDan> Roasted: RoQA; orphaned, not in stable, RC-buggy
[01:50] <ChogyDan> thats the reason stated
[01:51] <Roasted> well
[01:51] <Roasted> I wonder what other freebies exist that have packages for ubuntu
[01:51] <ChogyDan> see these debian bugs: 653957
[01:51] <Roasted> dyndns is definitely off the list
[01:51] <Roasted> they axed their free service
[01:51] <ChogyDan> 353560 408079 601220 601229 610571 630027
[01:51] <ChogyDan> 610930
[01:52] <ChogyDan> anyway, there are your reasons
[01:52] <Roasted> still ridiculous, if you ask me
[01:53] <Roasted> at least no-ip still has the tarball
[01:53] <Roasted> if I can remember how to install them...
[01:56] <ChogyDan> probably config, make, then checkinstall
[02:01] <Roasted> so, if I do a make install, and accidentally cancel it, how do I get back into it
[02:01] <Roasted> doing another make install just errors out
[02:02] <Roasted> cancel that
[02:02] <Roasted> I saw an entry for /usr/local/bin/no-ip2 being in use, just rm -rf'd it
[02:02] <Roasted> now it works
[02:02] <cba123> Just installed the 12.04 beta, and it works fine, just there is a pause when I try to go from one screen to the other with my NVidia card.  Any advice where I should look?
[02:22] <Guest54043> im getting major issues
[02:23] <BryGuy71Z> thinking about doing a fresh instaa
[02:23] <BryGuy71Z> install
[02:23] <BryGuy71Z> when i reboot it usually says error cant initiialize x11
[02:23] <BryGuy71Z> try running gnome-shell says the same thing
[02:24] <BryGuy71Z> yofel_,
[02:25] <BryGuy71Z> is there a way i can reupgrade
[02:37] <DanaG> hmm, anyone else find that the linux-crashdump package doesn't work?
[02:37] <DanaG> If I get a kernel panic... it just locks up.  No kexec and dump like I'd expect.
[02:50] <DanaG> hmm, so, now I have an X server on my radeon and another X server on the ASPEED (more like AINSTABILITY) management card.
[02:50] <DanaG> The former is auto-login and auto-lock as me; how can I log into the latter without breaking all sorts of assumptions about one-session-at-a-time limits?
[02:51] <DanaG> (well, I assume software won't like multiple sessions for the same user).
[02:52] <DanaG> Easiest way would be to have the latter default to a different xsession.
[02:53] <dj_segfault> Hi.  Anyone know what version of mythtv will be shipped with 12.04?
[02:53] <dj_segfault> I couldn't find that kind of info on the website.
[02:54] <pangolin> Candidate: 2:0.25.0+fixes.20120410.1f5962a-0ubuntu1
[02:54] <DanaG> !find /usr/share/xsessions
[02:54] <DanaG>      You have searched for paths that end with /usr/share/xsessions in suite precise, all sections, and all architectures.    Sorry, your search gave no results
[02:55] <pangolin> !info | mythtv
[02:55] <pangolin> !info | mythtv precise
[02:55] <pangolin> guess not
[02:56] <DanaG> !info mythtv | precise
[02:56] <pangolin> ahh, thanks DanaG :)
[02:56] <DanaG> move that pipe over one word.  like what xkcd does with their dashes on "sweet-<***> car".  =P
[02:57] <dj_segfault> !info mythtv-backend
[02:58] <dj_segfault> Nice.  Thanks.
[02:58] <dj_segfault> I heart ircbots
[02:59] <DanaG> !find /usr/share/xsessions/xterm
[03:05] <DanaG> !find /usr/share/xgreeters
[03:27] <dustinspringman> whatup folks! just setup another 12.04 for a co-worker at the office, that makes 5 of us now.. Only a few more to go! XD
[03:29] <dustinspringman> On a serious note though.. anyone got any tricks to get REBOOT to work properly? I can shutdown since I upgraded my Dell M6600 to bios v.A07, but still it hangs on reboot... nothing of use really in the dmesg, at least that I noticed... anyone else find a way to fix this or is there some "other log" I should be looking at?
[03:31] <scientes> nvidia nonfree broke in the last few precise kernels for me
[04:25] <scientes> 3D totally broken since 3.2.0-20 for me
[04:26] <scientes> with nvidia propritary
[06:02] <bouma> well, after using nomodeset for the installer and then, update-grub from another ubuntu 11.10 cause the install is not bootable, then using nouveau.nomodset=0 once i can boot beta2, after this its working great
[06:02] <bouma> i'd love to be able to submit a good bug report though
[06:03] <bouma> im using fairly standard hardware, asus mobo and asus gtx550ti video card, but nouveau in the install and then the default kernel config causes serious problems
[06:04] <bouma> i suppose its definately going to be in the final as default?
[06:05] <bouma> dont get me wrong, the progress of nouveau seems amazing. it was even able to identify and scale the mhz of the videocard (or at least list possible speeds at boot) which i had read was a missing feature.
[06:05] <scientes> where can i get linux-headers-3.2.0-19
[06:05] <scientes> i got a regression
[06:06] <bouma> personally i think the non booting issue is the largest i've seen, because you cant just work around it with nomodeset's
[06:08] <faryshta> !kernel
[06:10] <scientes> faryshta, NOOOOOOOO
[06:10] <scientes> im looking for an old precise kernel package
[06:10] <scientes> i know how to compile a kernel, i do it all the time
[06:10] <scientes> debian has archives of old packages, everything ever released
[06:10] <scientes> i'm just trying to nail down a regression
[07:03] <tehowe> Good morning, half a week ago an HP Pavilion w/small integrated Nvidia faulted on reboot from update and now the desktop won't come up. Sometimes it gives a Compiz error but I can't file it because the keyboard won't work in the firefox window that comes up for apport (minus display manager titlebar etc.) However I can get into tty1 and would like to know how to force Unity to work again
[07:03] <tehowe> Packages are up to date
[07:09] <MasterOf1isaster> Hi, I encountered this issue with groupwise and precise: http://paste.ubuntu.com/932173/
[07:10] <MasterOf1isaster> The groupwise version I use was working fine on oneiric
[07:21] <anthropos> does anyone know why there is no povray package in 12.04?
[08:57] <DrManhattan> Hi I can't get software raid working
[08:58] <DrManhattan> Im trying to install here, I make the raid device, but it doesn't show up in the partitioning menu even though the device is there
[08:58] <DrManhattan> LVM devices show up
[09:01] <DrManhattan> Raid devices do not.
[09:07] <DrManhattan> ill try the server release
[09:37] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  I just installed fresh version of the new 12.04 LTS
[09:37] <howlymowly> I am trying to use the "trash-cli" package
[09:38] <howlymowly> but it says "The program 'trash' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[09:38] <howlymowly> sudo apt-get install trash-cli". Problem is I already have the package installed...
[09:38] <howlymowly> any idea?
[09:55] <ironm> Good Morning. I have reported the following issue: Regression: Error - Ubuntu-server 12.04 installation as VM on xen-server 6 (use of local iso file)
[09:55] <ironm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/982430
[09:56] <ironm> Please confirm if you have had similar problems. Thank you in advance.
[09:56] <DrManhattan> I guess Im just going to go straight to the VM with the usb passthrough enabled
[09:56] <DrManhattan> if f'ing raid dont install raid dont install
[09:57] <DrManhattan> I need 11.10 or 12.04 for the kernel but I can't for the life of me get either one to install on software raid properly
[09:57]  * DrManhattan bursts into tears
[10:02] <Gorilla_No_Baka> right...bash no such file or directory ...ia32-libs exist on my computer.. i tried to reinstall bash.. no joy.. Any idea?
[10:03] <Gorilla_No_Baka> oh ubuntu 12
[10:39] <jakubo> hi, i got some trouble with gnome-user-share or gnome-file-share properties
[10:39] <jakubo> it says that some packages are missing
[10:45] <jakubo> but it doesnt state which ones
[11:14] <jakubo> so i cant share folders over the network. any ideas?
[11:15] <Onlyodin> What's the client machine?
[11:18] <jakubo> are you talking to me? xD
[11:23] <Greyze> Have an odd problem with Skype, when someone calls, I hear the ringing sound.. but theres no actual button or notification I can press to accept the call
[11:23] <Greyze> Am I being dull and its hidden somewhere, or is this some bug?
[11:24] <Onlyodin> Sounds odd to me too. Is it something silly like resizing the window? (sorry, I don't have skype)
[11:24]  * gnomefreak never used skype
[11:24] <Greyze> Theres literally nothing to see unfortunately
[11:24] <Greyze> skype is just one small window with basic buttons and a contact list
[11:25] <Greyze> when somone rings, "nothing" seems to change at all on the desktop, no notification, no accept call button no nothing
[11:25] <gnomefreak> does it cost to make calls from/to?
[11:25] <Greyze> the only thing that happens is i hear an incoming call sound
[11:25] <Onlyodin> gnomefreak, not to/from other skype users
[11:26] <Greyze> No, skype is a free service when its Skype to Skype
[11:26] <gnomefreak> Onlyodin: cool thanks
[11:26] <Greyze> you only pay when you want to contact landlines/mobiles etc
[11:26] <Onlyodin> They'll happily take your money for that though.
[11:27] <Greyze> Surely this must be a simple problem though.. Skype has been on Ubuntu for ages, I must be doing something silly
[11:28] <matt__> I'm trying to install the 64-bit version, but the installer seems to be stuck on "Removing Conflicting Operating System Files," should I restart, or should I wait it out?
[11:29] <Greyze> BLARGGH!
[11:29] <Greyze> Being called as I type, theres just nothing on the screen
[11:29] <Greyze> omg
[11:30] <Greyze> WELL WELL!
[11:30] <Greyze> There is a skype notification when somone calls me
[11:31] <Greyze> Its just at the very bottom corner of my screen, i can only see a few pixels of it, unable to move it
[11:32] <Greyze> why the hell is the notification all the way down there -_- its supposed to be in the middle of the screen so I can actually accept the call
[11:32] <Onlyodin> sounds like a bug.
[11:32] <Greyze> Don't see how I could of gotten this, I installed this 2 days ago, Skype was the first thing I got
[11:34] <matt__> Greyze: I've had lots of trouble with Skype reinstating windows or whatever in the wrong place
[11:35] <Onlyodin> installed Beta 2 two days ago?
[11:35] <Greyze> yeah
[11:35] <Onlyodin> sounds like a bug.
[11:35] <matt__> did you check to see if it's showing up on another desktop?
[11:35] <matt__> try ctl+alt+down
[11:35] <Greyze> Hmm, nice idea
[11:35] <Greyze> ill try that
[11:36] <Greyze> Bingo
[11:36] <Greyze> I see it
[11:36] <Greyze> I can't click on it because its outside my monitors resolution
[11:37] <Greyze> I have 2 monitors: Primary @ 1920 x 1080, secondary @ 1920 x 1200
[11:38] <Greyze> Ubuntu seems to have made the resolution 1200 across all monitors because its the biggest size
[11:38] <Greyze> though its obviously just blanked out the extra pixels on my primary because they don't exist on the monitor
[11:38] <Greyze> everything else fits to my monitor size correctly, my apps, the dashbar etc.. but the skype notification is outside of the window region
[11:40] <Greyze> Anyone understand what i'm saying, or have I explained this poorly?
[11:42] <matt__> Greyze: it might work if you disable the second monitor temporarily, move the notification and then re-enable the monitor
[11:42] <Greyze> Ok, ill try that
[11:44] <matt__> there's probably a .conf file for Skype somewhere where you might be able to choose the location for notifications, but I have no idea where it would be or how to find it
[11:44] <matt__> other than google that is
[11:45] <Greyze> I bet there is, however im a complete newb to ubuntu.. i just wanted to try it out sinse my Windows partition died 2 days ago
[11:46] <matt__> Greyze: understandable, but the Beta might not have been the best choice to start with ;)
[11:46] <matt__> tons of updates everyday and massive bugginess in almost everything
[11:47] <Greyze> Probably not, however i'm always too tempted to fiddle with new things :)
[11:47] <matt__> I completely understand, as I'm sure most others in this channel would
[11:48] <Greyze> Ok
[11:48] <Greyze> It worked
[11:48] <Greyze> disabling my bigger monitor got rid of the empty space that ubuntu created
[11:49] <Greyze> I figured out how the notification works btw
[11:49] <matt__> how's that?
[11:49] <Greyze> Skypes notification is "locked" to the bottom corner of the screen
[11:49] <Greyze> I couldn't move it
[11:49] <Greyze> it looks stylish I guess
[11:49] <matt__> ah, haha
[11:49] <matt__> well, leave it to Skype progs to make something uncontrollable
[11:49] <Greyze> however it also forced it outside of the screen resolution thanks to my other monitor being larger
[11:50] <matt__> that makes sense
[11:50] <matt__> ;)
[11:51] <Greyze> Still a bug though, sinse all my other programs and Ubuntu itself still follows the resolution correctly
[11:51] <Greyze> only Skype goes out of the window region
[11:52] <Greyze> Essentially if you go to Displays setting
[11:52] <Greyze> my 2 monitors have a combined resolution of 3840 x 1200
[11:53] <Greyze> though obviously my other monitor is "not" 1200, its 1080
[11:53] <Greyze> so ubuntu has made a region of pixels that don't exist
[11:53] <Greyze> which Skype is using
[11:53] <Greyze> Whats also wierd is in the displays setting. It calls my monitor "laptop" which makes no sense
[11:54] <matt__> well, it's possible that the manufacturer uses the same monitor for laptops
[11:54] <matt__> it seems like you ought to be able to have two totally different resolutions for each screen
[11:58] <Greyze> I should do
[11:58] <Greyze> seems like ubuntu 12 isn't allowing it
[12:00] <matt__> what GPU are you using?
[12:02] <Greyze> GTX 480 SLI
[12:02] <Greyze> Nvidia drivers installed
[12:04] <matt__> ah, well, then it's an issue with the NVidia drivers, since those are the ones controlling the monitor resolution
[12:05] <matt__> chances are someone's brought it up, but chances are also that that issue has been ignored
[12:06] <Greyze> I dunno mind, every other problem works perfectly, everything is clipping to my correct resolution, only skypes notification box is going out of the screen
[12:06] <matt__> they aren't very fast-paced on their development of the linux driver
[12:06] <Greyze> I just set my larger monitor to the main display actually
[12:06] <matt__> you might wanna flip that then, unless it really doesn't bother you
[12:06] <Greyze> so the notification has to be in the region, but guess what? its ignoring the main display and still going to the bottom corner of my smaller window lol
[12:08] <napsy> Hello. Are there any known font rendering issues in 12.04 (eg. bold fonts being too large)?
[12:10] <matt__> Greyze: Murphy's Law
[12:12] <Greyze> I'm not sacrificing usuability just to fix Skype notifications.. ill just enable auto-answer calls
[12:18] <matt__> Greyze: yeah, but it's a pity you ahve to choose
[12:19] <matt__> Greyze: if they actually updated Skype more than once every 3 years, we might've been able to avoid such an issue
[12:19] <Greyze> its not a huge deal anyway.. when I get my new SSD back I have to put windows back on it.
[12:20] <Greyze> I only use ubuntu for small things, or emergencies
[12:20] <Greyze> Interesting having a life that requires Windows lol
[12:21] <matt__> Interesting is one word to describe it :P
[12:23] <matt__> one nice thing about living in China is that a lot of the computers here don't come with Windows preinstalled
[12:23] <matt__> at least, not the ones you buy on their version of Ebay
[12:24] <Greyze> I kinda like Linux in certain situations that I get into
[12:25] <Greyze> Though being a student, my degree requires windows, so doe's my hobbies, and hopefully future career
[12:25] <Greyze> Can't live without it basically, lol
[12:25] <matt__> For now :D
[12:26] <Greyze> Oh I dunno, i'm a games developer, mainly DirectX
[12:26] <rich__> i installed  12.4 development branch  how can i find which beta version i am on so i can research info to solve some issues im having
[12:26] <matt__> man, 600 updates on a fresh install :S
[12:26] <patdk-wk> matt__ you didn't use the daily iso?
[12:27] <matt__> Greyze: ever thought about getting into HTML5?
[12:27] <matt__> patdk-wk: yeah, I'm an idiot
[12:27] <Greyze> Yeah
[12:27] <Greyze> Found it quite interesting, also proficient with OpenGL, so it would be cool to fiddle with some web and GL ES
[12:28] <matt__> patdk-wk: I tend to do things without thinking them through too clearly
[12:29] <matt__> Greyze: yeah, I'd really like to get back into blender and try to put something together with HTML5, but I have to htmlfu
[12:29] <matt__> *have no htmlfu
[12:29] <matt__> and I never got very far with Opengl
[12:29] <Greyze> At the moment i'm in my last year of my degree, a few weeks left.. so full focus on my work before I can go and enjoy myself with HTML5 or whatever
[12:30] <matt__> I miss school :'(
[12:30] <Greyze> Can't wait to get out
[12:30] <Greyze> its a pain :P
[12:30] <matt__> it's an even bigger pain as a teacher
[12:31] <Greyze> Im assuming your one?
[12:32] <matt__> yeah, English in China, it sucks
[12:32] <Greyze> Friend of mine is doing the same as you.. finished Uni last year and suddenly went to china to be an english teacher
[12:32] <Greyze> heavily influenced by his girlfriend there, interesting nonetheless
[12:33] <matt__> I've been here almost 6 years now, so I guess it's not that bad, but still, I wish I could teach in the US
[12:33] <matt__> where someone might actually show signs of giving a crap about what I do
[12:33] <matt__> here, if the students don't find you to be entertaining, you're out of a job
[12:34] <Greyze> That's kind of the same for almost all teaching jobs though tbh
[12:34] <Greyze> except if its in University
[12:34] <Greyze> People are more "grown up" you know?
[12:34] <matt__> well that's just the thing, I am teaching in Uni
[12:35] <Greyze> Sounds good then
[12:35] <matt__> yeah, I'd like to come back and get a masters and then start teaching at Uni
[12:35] <Greyze> you sound like you have the ability to move anywhere anyway
[12:35] <matt__> if you can survive China for this long, I think you can survive nearly anywhere
[12:35] <Greyze> Indeed :)
[12:36] <Greyze> How do you live with the Great Firewall of China?
[12:36] <Greyze> censorship ftl :(
[12:36] <matt__> haha, funny you should mention it, I'm considering settung up a VPN server before I go back to the US
[12:36] <gnomefreak> please keep the topics support related
[12:36] <matt__> sorry
[12:37] <Greyze> Woop, mega off topic
[12:37] <Greyze> Well I guess my support request has been fuffilled anyway, nothing can be done to fix it
[12:37] <matt__> Greyze: are you using HDMI with your NVidia card?
[12:38] <dustinspringman> Greyze: what was the question? I've been kicking a** and taking names with nvidia drivers on Precise
[12:38] <Greyze> Yes actually, however its on a disabled monitor..
[12:38] <gnomefreak> suprising i like my ati card. i've always beena Nvidia guy
[12:38] <Greyze> Well Dustin
[12:39] <matt__> Greyze: did you perchance test audio over HDMI?
[12:39] <matt__> gnomefreak: what card?
[12:39] <Greyze> After some fiddling and chatting earlier, it seems to be more of a problem with Skype than my drivers
[12:39] <dustinspringman> gnomefreak: I had ATI for a looong time, but went Nvidia recently..
[12:39] <gnomefreak> 4200
[12:39] <matt__> gnomefreak: I've been thinking about getting an Asus 1225b, but I wasn't sure how the whole APU thing would work out
[12:40] <dustinspringman> Greyze: ahh.. ya know what.. I've not even tried.. I've got better desktop speakers than my LCD has.. but I know it DID work in 11.10, found that out by accident
[12:40] <Greyze> Basically Skype notifications are locked to the bottom right corner of the screen, which is alright I guess. However, my monitors have different resolutions.
[12:40] <matt__> gnomefreak: I don't suppose you might know how well that would run a game like PlaneShift, would you?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> matt__: nope i dont play games on my pc, only because i dont know how
[12:40] <Greyze> To compensate for the different resolutions, Ubuntu seems to have created a fake resolution across the screens to be accurate
[12:40] <matt__> dustinspringman: were you just talking about audio over HDMI?
[12:41] <matt__> gnomefreak: well, it was worth a shot, thanks anyhow
[12:41] <Greyze> everything works totally fine, but skype notifications appear "inside" the region of the screen that shouldn't exist
[12:41] <gnomefreak> could the skype problem be related to compiz?
[12:41] <dustinspringman> Greyze: i assume you are using twinview?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> matt__: np
[12:41] <Greyze> Yes im using twinview and compiz
[12:41] <dustinspringman> matt__: yes, audio over hdmi worked for me in 11.10.. havent even tried in Precise tho
[12:41] <Greyze> though I don't know how compiz is involved
[12:42] <gnomefreak> compiz has had issues like that only it was top right corner
[12:42] <matt__> dustinspringman: which card were you using?
[12:42] <Greyze> as for HDMI, i haven't tested it.. though in my sound options it says its capable
[12:42] <gnomefreak> top left corner
[12:42] <dustinspringman> Nvidia Quadro 3000M
[12:42] <gnomefreak> i have a hard time finding HD any different than normal
[12:43] <gnomefreak> even with bluray player
[12:43] <Greyze> If its something with Compiz, can you guess what setting is causing the issue? i can't see anything in the compiz manager that could cause any problem tbh
[12:43] <dustinspringman> Greyze: i'm not sure on that one man.. i thought it was gonna be something xorg.conf related.. I had to hax mine pretty good to get twinview to work "properly".. as for skype and notifications, i've got zero experience with that..
[12:44] <matt__> gnomefreak: a lot of blurays aren't really recorded properly to get the "HD effect", but I would tend to agree that it's not a huge improvement
[12:44] <Greyze> If you go to displays setting, with dual monitors enabled
[12:44] <Greyze> display shows that i have 1 huge monitor (both combined basically)
[12:44] <Greyze> with a resolution of 3840 x 1200
[12:44] <Greyze> first monitor is 1920 x1080, second is 1920 x 1200
[12:45] <Greyze> so as you can see its  created some blank space because my first monitor is not 1200
[12:45] <dustinspringman> Greyze: yea.. that's twinview in action..
[12:45] <dustinspringman> Greyze: ahhh now I understand..
[12:45] <Greyze> See thats not an issue, because every application i use, videos, firefox whatever.. properly snaps to the correct size on my monitor
[12:46] <dustinspringman> Greyze: I think you can modify that either in the nvidia-settings control center or via the xorg.conf..  what exactly needs done, not sure
[12:46] <Greyze> only skypes notification box goes outside of the window region
[12:46] <gnomefreak> i would say test it out see if compiz is causing it however im not sure if unity 2d uses compiz or not
[12:46] <dustinspringman> unity 2d does not from what I have seen
[12:47] <dustinspringman> it intentionally disables all 3d support for "troubleshooting" reasons.. at least that's what I've come to understand..
[12:47] <Greyze> There is a way to solve this in skype according to my readings on google.. you can customize skype with scripts, or use a different notifcation system
[12:47] <Greyze> though this is far out of my ubuntu knowledge
[12:47] <dustinspringman> Greyze: you'd be surprised what you can do with a pot of coffee and www.google.com. =)
[12:48] <Greyze> indeed
[12:48] <dustinspringman> on that note, i needs more coffee.. bb in a few
[12:48] <Greyze> Though its alright now, i'm just ignoring the problem.. ive spent like 2 hours messing around with it and I should be doing work
[12:48] <matt__> Greyze: I like the idea of using a different notification system
[12:48] <Greyze> All I can say is its either skypes problem, or its something to report for this beta
[12:49] <matt__> it's Skype
[12:49] <matt__> like you said, other apps do it fine
[12:49] <gnomefreak> start with filing a bug in Ubuntu than report one for skype and link them in LP
[12:49] <gnomefreak> that is the best thing to do
[12:50] <matt__> why did they do away with screensavers?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> matt__: gnome did but i never got a straight answer other than gnome did it
[12:51] <matt__> I guess it kinda makes sense since most don't use LCDs anymore, but my kid loves em so I wish it could've been kept
[12:52] <matt__> *CRTs
[12:53] <gnomefreak> sad part is i just upgraded gnome-screensaver. If we are not using them why keep them
[12:56] <matt__> that is strange, I never even noticed that one
[12:57] <gnomefreak> maybe for kde users?
[12:57] <matt__> must be ;)
[12:57] <CaptainKnots> is there a ppa for recent kernels for ubuntu? I only found the site to download deb files manually and I want to keep it up to date with a ppa
[12:58] <gnomefreak> not that i know of
[13:03] <matt__> I thought that's what backports are for
[13:04] <gnomefreak> i dont think we have ever backported kernels
[13:04] <bouma> im having a wierd issue with update-grub
[13:04] <snadge> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/
[13:04] <snadge> is the only source i know of for alternative kernels for ubuntu
[13:05] <snadge> and i wouldn't use them other than for testing.. more often than not, they are more broken than what is currently being shipped
[13:06] <bouma> i run sudo update-grub /dev/sda from ubuntu 12.04 on sda1, and it finds everything i expect including vmlinuz-3.2.x, an older ubuntu 11.10, memtest etc, but after rebooting with the bios set to boot from sda, (and/or after explicitly requesting a boot override from sda) it brings up the ubuntu 11.10 boot menu? it seems like sda is redirecting to sdc for some reason
[13:07] <bouma> i asked in #ubuntu but was told to ask in #ubuntu+1 because it involves 12.04
[13:08] <ttl-> Greetings
[13:09] <ttl-> I'm runnings 12.04 with latest updates, it seems i can't connect to windows share from nautilus
[13:09] <kosmonaut_> I got a problem installing teamviewer7 under (k)ubuntu 12.04.
[13:09] <kosmonaut_> When do a dpkg -i teamv* -> the process says that TViewer depends on ia32-libs. But those libs cannot be installed, because ia32-libs-multiarch is not available.
[13:09] <kosmonaut_> Any ideas?
[13:11] <Greyze> Time to do some work, thanks for the help everyone :)
[13:13] <dustinspringman> kosmonaut_: I'd like to know the answer to that as well.. ima bout to attempt to install tviewer7 on about 5 machines
[13:13] <kosmonaut_> dustinspringman: ah ok...so this is not just my problem, right?
[13:14] <dustinspringman> kosmonaut_: I havent tried yet, gimme 2 mins i'll give it a shot
[13:14] <dustinspringman> kosmonaut_: did you use synaptic or install from the tar on the site?
[13:14] <gnomefreak> ia32-libs-multiarch is in the repos
[13:15] <kosmonaut_> dustinspringman: i installed from the *deb
[13:15] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: sudo apt-get install ia
[13:15] <kosmonaut_> ia32-libs         iamerican         iamerican-large   iat
[13:15] <kosmonaut_> iagno             iamerican-huge    iamerican-small   iaxmodem
[13:15] <kosmonaut_> iamcli            iamerican-insane  iasl
[13:15] <dustinspringman> kosmonaut_: rgr.. ima give it a shot
[13:16] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: nope...at least here I do not see it
[13:17] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: apt-cache search ia32-libs  shows it
[13:17] <dustinspringman> kosmonaut_: 32 or 64bit?
[13:17] <kosmonaut_> dustinspringman: 64b
[13:17] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: let me see
[13:18] <dustinspringman> kosmonaut_: downloading
[13:18] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ search ia32-libs
[13:18] <gnomefreak> ia32-libs-multiarch - Multi-arch versions of former ia32-libraries
[13:20] <dustinspringman> kosmonaut_: installing..
[13:20] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: please take a look at this
[13:20] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: http://slexy.org/view/s20DOad65w
[13:20] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: I could translate it
[13:25] <ironm> BTW. I have installed (just for a test) OpenBSD 5.1 as VM (on XCP host .. like Xen-server) but didn't get properly working network :/
[13:26] <ironm> sorry .. wrong channel
[13:27] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: did you try using apt-get -f install?
[13:28] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: here look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/932511/  make sure universe repo is enabled
[13:29] <gnomefreak> maybe a PPA you have that is interferring
[13:30] <gnomefreak> god asunder is slow
[13:31] <dustinspringman> kosmonaut_: installed and appears to work as expected
[13:31] <gnomefreak> use -f install see if that fixes it
[13:36] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: here my system says that it cannot find ia32-lib-multiarch
[13:36] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: E: Paket ia32-libs-mutliarch kann nicht gefunden werden
[13:36] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: do you have the universe repo enabled
[13:36] <kosmonaut_> hmm
[13:37] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: yes
[13:37] <kosmonaut_> -<
[13:37] <kosmonaut_> >deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise multiverse
[13:37] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: than i dont know why its not for you. are you on 12.04? all repos, no  11.10 ppas or anything?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: i said universe not multiverse
[13:38] <kosmonaut_> all precise
[13:39] <kosmonaut_> strange....
[13:39] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: pastebin the output of sudo apt-get -f install
[13:40] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: also pastebin the output of   cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:41] <yofel> multiarch is enabled in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch ?
[13:42] <yofel> should say "foreign-architecture i386"
[13:43] <gnomefreak> cat /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch  shows me nothing, so it maybe for him also
[13:44] <gnomefreak> but im on 386
[13:44] <gnomefreak> x86 even
[13:44] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: when I do a "-f install" after trying to install TV I get: Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
[13:44] <kosmonaut_>   teamviewer7
[13:44] <kosmonaut_> meaning that TV will be removed
[13:45] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: can you translate that please
[13:45] <yofel> kosmonaut_: tip, use "sudo LANG=C apt-get" to get english output
[13:46] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: source list -> http://slexy.org/view/s2XlkJiCxl
[13:47] <gnomefreak> diable the nonofficial repos update than try again
[13:49]  * gnomefreak going for smoke
[13:55] <kosmonaut_> yofel: how do use this sudo LANG=C apt-get install this and that?
[13:55] <kosmonaut_> yofel: my output is still german
[13:57] <holstein> Die folgenden Pakete werden  ENTFERNT = "the following packages will be removed" ? correct?
[13:57] <kosmonaut_> holstein: sure ;-)
[14:00] <gnomefreak> apt-get -f install gives that output?
[14:00] <gnomefreak> if it is that means packages from your non-official repos is causing you problem
[14:02] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: after trying to install via dpkg -i teamviwer* (fails), then a -f install just removes teamviewer...not much more output
[14:04] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: teamviewer is not in our repos so we cant be responsible for libs/packages getting along. telll teamviewer to upgrade to use our package
[14:04] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: sure---
[14:05] <gnomefreak> ask them to maybe better or even better file a bug upstream
[14:05] <kosmonaut_> gnomefreak: still I wonder why i cannot install ia32 that is
[14:05] <kosmonaut_> in the repo
[14:05] <kosmonaut_> or should be in the repo
[14:06] <gnomefreak> kosmonaut_: you cant install it because the version of teamviewer is not compatitble with our libs
[14:07] <matt__> quit
[14:07] <matt__> haha, oops
[14:07] <gnomefreak> 2 more cds than im done for the day :)
[14:14]  * BluesKaj wonders why esata to sata speed dropped by 10x , since the clean install 2 weeks ago
[14:14] <cypher-neo> Hello. A brief question. I wanted to download 12.04 but I prefer downloading the Cd images from .torrent because it's much faster. Is there an available .torrent link for 12.04 yet?
[14:16] <skyjumper> is there a way to make alt-tab switch between all windows, rather than all applications?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> !daily | cypher-neo
[14:16] <skyjumper> mainly i want to switch between terminals without doing alt-`
[14:17]  * cypher-neo nods
[14:17] <cypher-neo> gnomefreak, Are the daily builds less stable than current Beta offered on ubuntu.com?
[14:18] <cypher-neo> gnomefreak, Or are they just incrementally more stable leading up to the final release?
[14:18] <gnomefreak> cyberdo: daily build is beta
[14:18] <cypher-neo> gnomefreak, Okay. Thanks. :)
[14:18] <dj_segfault> skyjumper: If you create terminals as tabs instead of windows you can configure the key sequence to go from one tab to another.
[14:19] <gnomefreak> for tabs use ctrl+pageup or pagedown
[14:19] <skyjumper> dj_segfault: not a bad idea, but it'd still be ideal to have the usual alt-tab behavior
[14:20] <skyjumper> doesn't look like it's configurable in ccsm
[14:20] <gnomefreak> there is a terminal that you can but i cant recall the name
[14:20] <gnomefreak> screen is the name of it
[14:21] <gnomefreak> ok im out :)
[14:21] <dj_segfault> gnomefreak: Are you thinking of konsole?
[14:21] <skyjumper> screen is great, tmux is anothe rone
[14:21] <gnomefreak> dj_segfault: screen
[14:21] <skyjumper> also it'd be great if we could configure the alt-tab delay
[14:33] <BluesKaj> why do we still need flashplugin installer , I thought arch support was supposed to take care of flash on 64 bit?
[14:37]  * BluesKaj removes flashplugin installer..prefer to lok after flash plugins etc myself
[14:42] <kosmonaut__> dustinspringman: I have solved that issue with TV
[14:42] <kosmonaut__> dustinspringman: it was related to this here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/970724
[14:43] <CaptainKnots> I don't use flash for anything
[14:43]  * CaptainKnots loves the flashvideoreplacer firefox plugin
[14:43] <kosmonaut__> .
[14:46] <dustinspringman> CaptainKnots: I would love to understand exactly how you do that? do you just not participate, or do you have something else?
[14:47] <roothorick> so, I need to add RandRRotation to my xorg.conf because I'm on a tabletPC and really need that rotation for slate mode
[14:47] <roothorick> but my xorg.conf doesn't have a Display section...
[14:47] <nevoeiro> hi. just installed 12.04 beta 2. it does recognize my printer canon ip2600 but it doesn't print.........
[14:47] <nevoeiro> help? :)
[14:48] <roothorick> I remember trying to get Canon inkjets to work... what I found is that most Canon consumer models simply don't have Linux drivers
[14:49] <roothorick> I'm an HP loyalist now, when it comes to printers. hplip FTW!
[14:49] <nevoeiro> great...
[14:50] <nevoeiro> so it detects it but it doesn't print. and the answer is "get an hp". well tough luck. i hate hp.
[14:50] <roothorick> I also like HP because they have really thick and detailed service manuals publicly available for just about everything
[14:50] <roothorick> but I'll stop preaching now
[14:50] <nevoeiro> bah
[14:53] <CaptainKnots> dustinspringman: I just have flash installed to pick up on flash videos, and flashvideoreplacer gives me a format option to open externally in vlc or embedded in the browser
[14:53] <CaptainKnots> I usually watch stuff as mp4
[14:54] <CaptainKnots> I think I'm going to convert to gnash though
[14:54] <dustinspringman> CaptainKnots: ahh.. So pretty much you just pop the flash vids out to VLC and pick the mp4 format yea?
[14:54] <CaptainKnots> yup, I get a list of formats inside the flash box in firefox
[14:56] <roothorick> could someone explain how InputClass and hotplugging interact with ServerLayout in xorg.conf?
[14:58] <roothorick> Xorg.0.log seems to suggest you don't need a ServerLayout at all, just a Screen section
[15:00] <roothorick> silly nvidia, RandRRotation should be true by default :/
[15:25] <Xunil> Well - since the last update I cannot change display brightness any longer, anyone else has this problem?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Xunil, seems there's the same problem with some laptops with intel graphics on kubuntu 11.10
[15:50] <Atlantic777> Hey, can someone give me default /etc/apt/source.list ?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Atlantic777, it's called /etc/apt/sources.list ..check that one i, it might exist
[15:57] <Atlantic777> BluesKaj: typo, I need original sources.list
[15:57] <BluesKaj> for 12.04 ?
[15:57] <Atlantic777> yes, server, i386
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Atlantic777, http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[16:00] <Atlantic777> thanks :)
[16:00] <BluesKaj> BBL..
[16:16] <Lace57> !info vlc
[16:17] <Lace57> !info kde
[16:18] <Lace57> !find kde
[16:19] <Lace57> !info krita
[16:20] <Lace57> !find calligra
[16:21] <BluesKaj> lace whynot just open your package manager and search there
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Lace57,^
[16:21] <Lace57> because i'm not on ubuntu
[16:23] <BluesKaj> Lace57, here's a list of packages http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[16:24] <Lace57> BluesKaj: thanks, but I only wanted to verify that the latest versions ofe caligra kde and vlc are in the repos of precise
[16:24] <jbicha> Lace57: you could also PM the bot
[16:26] <Lace57> i see, I'll keep that in mind
[16:35] <DelphiWorld> hello
[16:35] <DelphiWorld> what's this ubuntu micro?
[16:35] <Pici> What?
[16:36] <jtrucks> DelphiWorld: read the /topic
[16:36] <DelphiWorld> jtrucks: doing:)
[16:36] <jtrucks> why doesn't anyone on irc ever read channel topics?!?
[16:36] <jtrucks> :)
[16:36] <EvilResistance> jtrucks, because people in general are inept?
[16:36] <jtrucks> EvilResistance: \o/
[16:36] <jtrucks> Rule #1 and all....
[16:36] <EvilResistance> individial persons may have intelligence to read topics, but people as a whole do not.
[16:37] <EvilResistance> </critical analysis of humanity?
[16:37] <DelphiWorld> EvilResistance: if i am reading toppic... you post msg... i get scroled to your msg:P
[16:37] <EvilResistance> DelphiWorld, /topic :P
[16:37] <DelphiWorld> EvilResistance: :P
[16:38] <DelphiWorld> EvilResistance: yes, but i see it in the channel window, if another message come i'm lost;)
[16:38] <EvilResistance> so then just do /topic again
[16:38] <DelphiWorld> hahaha
[16:38] <DelphiWorld> EvilResistance: ;)
[16:38] <DelphiWorld> so ...
[16:38] <EvilResistance> ewwwwwwwwwwwww
[16:38] <DelphiWorld> please guyqs
[16:38] <EvilResistance> Miranda IM
[16:38] <DelphiWorld> can we get a boot menu on ubuntu 12.04
[16:38] <DelphiWorld> to auto enable serial console access?
[16:39] <DelphiWorld> EvilResistance: close your eyes
[16:39] <BluesKaj> you can always do cyrl+alt+F1 or 2 ...
[16:40] <BluesKaj> er ctrl
[16:41] <DelphiWorld> BluesKaj: for?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> tty / console
[16:41] <DelphiWorld> BluesKaj: but i can use rs232?
[16:41] <DelphiWorld> Bluefoxicy: during installation?
[16:42] <BluesKaj> DelphiWorld, dunno
[16:43] <DelphiWorld> :(
[16:48] <Mikero_> Sorry, lost connection. DId I miss anything?
[16:49] <EvilResistance> nothing of importance :P
[16:52] <Mikero_> Oh darn, so anywhere to look for solving my wlan problem?
[16:52] <rocky> i've noticed that when i try using my wireless as a hotspot it only gives me options for WEP encryption, no WPA encryption, am i missing a lib or something?
[16:53] <alteregoa> hi i got a problem according the darmok kernel 3.3.2
[16:53] <alteregoa> some btrfs weird errors with it
[16:58] <yofel> alteregoa: for upstream kernels #btrfs will probably be more helpful
[17:19] <jdhfr> that  new unity interface, it is empty for me
[17:20] <scb> How can I set Firefox as the default browser in Kubuntu 12.04?
[17:23] <physically_fit> scb, can't you do that in the firefox preferences?
[17:24] <scb> Uhmm
[17:24] <physically_fit> preferences->advanced
[17:25] <scb> Well, I marked the check if firefox is the default brower.
[17:25] <scb> I doesn't ask me.
[17:25] <physically_fit> there's a button Check now
[17:25] <scb> Still doesn't ask me.
[17:25] <jdhfr> help?
[17:26] <physically_fit> then it is your default browser
[17:26] <physically_fit> i think
[17:26] <scb> Uhmm...
[17:31] <jdhfr> my unity box is ABSOLUTELY EMPTY. please help
[17:31] <bazhang> !crosspost | jdhfr
[17:31] <bazhang> jdhfr, 12.04?
[17:32] <bluebomber> Hi, I'm on 12.04 32bit, and when I login using the Ubuntu DE (instead of Ubuntu 2D), it works for a bit, but then when I start to scroll in Firefox, the window's contents flicker, then the entire desktop environment freezes. I can still move the mouse, though. I end up having to SSH in to restart it.
[17:32] <jdhfr> bazhang: yes
[17:33] <bazhang> jdhfr, then dont crosspost, #ubuntu does not support 12.04
[17:38] <jdhfr> so what should I do with it?
[17:39] <kklimonda> jdhfr: run unity --reset
[17:44] <jdhfr> hm probably it worked
[17:49] <spaceneedle> It seems to take too much time to open a folder in my home directory.  I have to click an icon Twice.
[17:49] <kanliot>  is there a way i can search the past week for changes in packages?
[17:49] <kanliot>  so I can see what packages might need testing?
[17:57] <craigbass1976> Where do I look in the software center to see which desktop environments are available, or is there no such criteria I can use?
[17:58] <TheSimkin> craigbass1976: i think if you search for -desktop you'll find what you need... i think
[17:58] <TheSimkin> likde kde-desktop
[17:58] <TheSimkin> or is it kdesktop.
[18:00] <craigbass1976> TheSimkin, I was thinking more xfce and lxde as well, but didn't want to miss any
[18:00] <craigbass1976> I've had gnome3 and Unity (two different boxes) since December, and I don't think I'll ever like them
[18:01] <TheSimkin> unity is pretty tardastic.
[18:02] <TheSimkin> i too am trying to make myself like it
[18:02] <TheSimkin> but all in all, i'm sick of ubuntu and unity
[18:02] <TheSimkin> i think i'm going to go back to 100% gentoo boxes.
[18:03] <yofel> craigbass1976: searching for the name usually finds what you need, but for kde, xfce and lxde you'll probably want kubuntu-/xubuntu-/lubuntu-desktop
[18:06] <craigbass1976> yofel, kubuntu- in the searchbox doesn't show me anything but kubuntu restricted extras
[18:07] <yofel> dunno
[18:07] <yofel> !info kubuntu-desktop
[18:07] <craigbass1976> !info desktop
[18:07] <craigbass1976> !info *-desktop
[18:08] <yofel> !search -desktop
[18:08] <yofel> you can /msg the bot too
[18:09] <craigbass1976> TheSimkin, what's gentoo running, gnoem2?
[18:09] <TheSimkin> craigbass1976: by default.. no gui.
[18:09] <TheSimkin> but yes, you can choose from gnome kde, xfce, etc.
[18:10] <TheSimkin> pretty much everything is there
[18:10] <craigbass1976> TheSimkin, ahh...
[18:10] <jdhfr> how to change a screen font?
[18:14] <jbwiv> guys, I run a software raid (mirror), with lvm on top of that, and with ext4 on top of that. since installing 11.10 (and now with 12.04) the "[jbd2/dm-1-8]" process constantly spins disks and eats i/o. Any idea how to stop this?
[18:17] <LetterRip> hi withina few seconds to 15 seconds of xserver starting my computer seems to freeze up
[18:17] <guntbert> LetterRip: can you still swith to a VT?
[18:17] <guntbert> *switch
[18:18] <LetterRip> dont hinkso thwt is fnf2 right?
[18:18] <guntbert> ctrl+alt+F2
[18:20] <LetterRip> letmecheck
[18:23] <LetterRip> gubt
[18:23] <jdhfr> how to change a screen font in unity?
[18:24] <LetterRip> guntbert nope mouse freezes and two leds start blijkijg numlock and network lock?
[18:24] <LetterRip> and cannot access recovery console
[18:26] <LetterRip> trying boot into x fsilssfe mode
[18:27] <guntbert> LetterRip: a notebook? I once had a similar problem - if I remember correctly it was the wrong graphics driver...
[18:28] <LetterRip> yes anotebook
[18:28] <LetterRip> diddidnt change any stting since last upgrade
[18:28] <LetterRip> so dont see how
[18:29] <LetterRip> that could beit
[18:29] <guntbert> LetterRip: and please take you time when typing - your sentences are hard to read
[18:32] <LetterRip> sorry using phone since cant access via computer and i have large fingers
[18:34] <LetterRip> any way to downgrade to previous xconfig?
[18:34] <LetterRip> via commandline
[18:36] <guntbert> LetterRip: try recovery system
[18:37] <LetterRip> guntbert how so ?
[18:38] <guntbert> LetterRip: during boot press <shift> until the grub menu appears, then select recovery system
[18:39] <manitou> hi Q. about rc6 wil it be enabled in default kernel boot in 12.04 ?
[18:40] <micahg> manitou: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035037.html
[18:41] <LetterRip> there are recovery mode kernels but as i said xfailsafe already fails
[18:42] <LetterRip> a and other options dont seem useful
[18:42] <manitou> micahg: thx , im so happy ;)
[18:52] <jbwiv> guys, I suspect (based on reading bug reports) that pm-utils is causing some unwanted disk writes. I proceeded to uninstall it with apt, but apt wants to uninstall gnome-session as well? Anyone know why/how to get around?
[19:01] <roasted> !upgrade
[19:01] <roasted> !final
[19:01] <roasted> Hm, just out of curiosity, would dist-upgrade come down as part of update manager?
[19:02] <roasted> Like if I install 12.04 for a user, and 45 days from now they run update manager, would they get the dist-upgrade function from that?
[19:03] <yofel> using update-manager is fine, it does a dist-upgrade
[19:03] <roasted> okay, I wasn't sure of that
[19:03] <roasted> thank you :)
[19:03] <yofel> it doesn't make a difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade (If I remember correctly)
[19:04] <roasted> I thought upgrade was for newer packages in the repos?
[19:04] <roasted> whereas dist-upgrade was actually upgrading the distro
[19:04] <yofel> no, upgrade just updates packages, dist-upgrade does the same but adds/removes packages as well if the dependencies require it
[19:05] <yofel> it's called dist-upgrade because you do use it for that on debian, but not on Ubuntu
[19:05] <jtrucks> so unless a beta3 or RC release comes out (or final/production), don't do dist-upgrade from beta2?
[19:06] <roasted> ah I see
[19:06] <roasted> so dist-upgrade isn't like you'd think on ubuntu, essentially
[19:06] <yofel> er, no, you can dist-upgrade now, it's really just about the dependencies - so check what it does before you apply the changes, that's all
[19:06] <jtrucks> gotcha.
[19:07] <jtrucks> oh, if a new kernel is installed with dist-upgrade, does it force a reboot?
[19:08] <yofel> nope, you'll just get a notification that you should reboot
[19:08] <jtrucks> cool.
[19:08] <jtrucks> thanks.
[19:09] <jtrucks> i see, upgrade won't do kernels unless you specify them explicitly perhaps.
[19:09] <jtrucks> wehreas dist-upgrade will.
[19:09] <roasted> yofel: so just to make sure I'm on the same page... I install 12.04 now... May 1st I open update manager and install updates by simply clicking install updates. I reboot. I've effectively just upgraded my "beta" 12.04 to the latest variant. No?
[19:09] <roasted> So no need for terminal commands, if I understand right. eh?
[19:10] <yofel> should be fine I believe
[19:10] <yofel> jtrucks: right
[19:10] <jtrucks> cool. thanks.
[19:10]  * jtrucks didn't know that was a main distinction there.
[19:11] <manitou> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-April/035037.html so this mean rc6 is disabled in beta2(late mats mnt.)  and enabled in daily_build ?
[19:12] <cba123> I can't seem to get Compiz enabled, it says composite not enabled.  I installed my nvidia driver though, any ideas?
[20:02] <jiffe98> so is release day next tues or thur?  I'm not sure how to read that release schedule
[20:03] <Pici> Its on the 26th, whenever that is.
[20:04] <jiffe98> gotcha, thats next thurs
[20:32] <yzhd> ubuntu 12.04 LTS is coming in 10 days. When I upgrade from 11.10 in update manager, will I lose any data?
[20:33] <twig11> Since an update last Friday or Saturday, I'm getting pixellated printouts on my Brother mfc-j615w printer. Where's a good place to start troubleshooting this issue?
[20:33] <scientes> yzhd, you should always backup
[20:33] <scientes> yzhd, however, hopefully no, and /home will not be changed
[20:34] <Paradiesstaub> hi all
[20:34] <yzhd> scientes, I see. Thanks
[20:34] <scientes> yzhd, if you do find a bug that causes data loss, its a critical bug and you need to report it as such
[20:34] <scientes> gone...
[20:35] <UberDuper> I think enabling vhost_net may have fixed my network problems with kvm in 12.04
[20:36] <Paradiesstaub> I started a Google Docs document to collaboratively collect 12.04 keyboard shortcuts - goo.gl/lZGrd - everyone can become an editor
[20:37] <Paradiesstaub> to become an editor click the 'Share' button in the upper right in the Google document
[20:40] <twig11> Since an update to Precise last Friday or Saturday, all SVG's are printing low-res and  pixellated on my Brother mfc-j615w printer. I've googled to see if this is a known issue and can't find any info. Any recommendations on tracking this problem down?
[20:45] <mongo> hrm, the flash installer ignores the apt proxy settings also
[20:46] <micahg> hmm, that was supposed to be fixed last year...
[20:55] <mongo> it worked until this last update
[20:56] <mongo> or maybe it was using wgetrc, i have it set in there
[20:57]  * mongo waits to see if apport fails throught the proxy too
[21:00] <ppyhd> what is the proper command to restart networking?
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> boua noute
[21:00] <astraljava> sudo service networking restart
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> ppyhd: /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[21:00] <ppyhd> "sudo service networking restart" returns weird behavior
[21:01] <mongo> try sudo restart network-manager
[21:01] <ppyhd> >> stop: Unknown instance:
[21:02] <astraljava> ppyhd: Ok, but did it work?
[21:02] <ppyhd> i think so?
[21:04] <ppyhd> mongo: that returns "restart: Unknown job: network-manager"
[21:09] <mongo> ppyhd: does ifconfig -a return any network adapters?
[21:09] <ppyhd> yeah everything appears fine
[21:10] <ppyhd> i'm ssh into the box
[21:10] <mongo> hrm.... what does service networkig status return?
[21:10] <mongo> and service network-manager status
[21:10] <ppyhd> just a weird message returned "stop: Unknown instance:
[21:10] <ppyhd> networking stop/waiting
[21:11] <ppyhd> no big deal, seems to be working
[21:11] <mongo> ya, it's not upstart friendly
[21:12] <mongo> I can't use network-manager due to it's non-support of both bridges or ovs but ya service network restart works but does not show a status
[21:14] <mongo> it looks like it is only running an ifdown ifup anyhoo
[21:18] <sandeep_> unable to compile kernel module for vmware any help?
[21:18] <sandeep_> using ubuntu as host os
[21:21] <sandeep_> unable to compile kernel module for vmware any help?
[21:22] <maintou> if i install daily build now  can i update to final version when is out ? xubuntu im on the way to install !
[21:23] <mongo> maintou: yes, the normal upgrades will update you to the final
[21:23] <maintou> ok and is it r6 enabled (by default) in daily build ?
[21:24] <maintou> ii have i5 sandybridge ultrabook that why i ask about r6
[21:26] <LetterRip> whoever i talked to earlier about xserver freezing - i think it was some sort of electrical interference with my videocard
[21:26] <LetterRip> im at a different location and now don't have any problems
[21:27] <maintou> electrical interference hmhm be carefull
[21:27] <maintou> hope you dont see magic smoke
[21:49] <maintou> doo i need i915.semaphores=1 after rc6 is enabled by default ?
[21:55] <kbroulik> I hope that new plymouth theme in kubuntu is not final?
[21:57] <mongo> that gray scale thing?
[22:00] <yofel> kbroulik: what's wrong with it?
[22:03] <FernandoMiguel> s/dpkg -i/gdebi/
[22:03] <mongo> yofel: it looks pretty blocky and unfinished on a large display
[22:04] <kbroulik> yofel: it looks bad :D
[22:04] <kbroulik> I like that background though
[22:04] <kbroulik> but the logo looks done with ms paint *duck*
[22:04] <yofel> iirc it's a 800x600 image - anything larger would make the boot slower as it's a static PNG and has to go into initramfs
[22:04] <yofel> iirc it was gimp ^^
[22:04] <kbroulik> what was the reason for the change btw? legal issues because of the new sponsor?
[22:06] <yofel> not really, just that blue-black doesn't fit with kde 4.8 gray
[22:06] <yofel> for the design talk to apachelogger or sheytan in #kubuntu-devel (but neither of them have been online the last few days)
[22:07] <kbroulik> but I just figured out today how I can add alternatives, so I can restore the original one and have that be presented in auto mode so it survives updates :)
[22:08] <yofel> mongo: btw. if you feel something needs to be changed file a bug against kubuntu-default-settings
[22:08] <kbroulik> hm and what causes that weird kinetic scrolling with a touchpad?
[22:17] <twig11> Since an update to Precise last Friday or Saturday, fonts in pdf's are printing low-res and  pixellated on my Brother mfc-j615w printer. I've googled to see if this is a known issue and can't find any info. Any recommendations on tracking this problem down?	
[22:21] <jo-erlend__> There are still a large number of packages with broken dependencies in 12.04. Is this to be expected, even this late in the cycle?
[22:22] <jo-erlend__> For instance, installing "pixfrogger" doesn't work. Installing multimedia codecs in Totem doesn't work.
[22:22] <jo-erlend__> particularly the codec issue is very important, I think.
[22:26] <yofel> jo-erlend__: about pixfrogger - something's wrong with the builds for fenix-plugins https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fenix-plugins/0.0.20070803-5
[22:26] <yofel> someone in -motu might know more
[22:31] <tomodachi> hmm i cant get downloads from the internet mirros to work
[22:32] <tomodachi> when im selecting my internet mirror during the precise install procedure
[22:32] <tomodachi> the log file says @mirror does not support the specified release (precise)
[22:32] <tomodachi> ive tried several different mirrors
[22:32] <jtrucks> perhaps don't use a mirror until it goes to full release?
[22:34] <jo-erlend__> yofel, right. But my question was more general.
[22:35] <tomodachi> jtrucks: hmm i kinda need mirrors :(
[22:35] <tomodachi> im netbooting the installer
[22:35] <tomodachi> no cd
[22:35] <jtrucks> oh.
[22:35] <tomodachi> yeah...
[22:35] <jtrucks> i upgraded from 10.04...
[22:35] <tomodachi> this did work like a week ago methinks..
[22:35] <tomodachi> when i tried the beta before it went stable
[22:35] <jtrucks> sorry I have no idea as I've never installed netboot
[22:35] <ctjctj> I am having problems with the network_manager_applet not giving me the VPN submenu.  One user account it is there.  In another it is not.  Looking at network_manager_applet/applet.c nma_menu_add_vpn_submenu there doesn't seem to be any conditionals that would keep the VPN submenu from being added.  Any ideas on where to go next?
[22:36] <tomodachi> jtrucks: this is more a part of the mirrors rather than netbooting
[22:36] <tomodachi> i hope
[22:58] <tomodachi> got it working, if anyone cares to know :) just needed to download fresher netboot images, im really living on the edge here :)
[23:18] <ctjctj> Does anybody know why the VPN connections submenu would not show up in the network manager applet?