| laoshi | cjohnston, good morning | 06:11 |
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| sagaci | evening | 06:23 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:40 |
| laoshi | cjohnston, thanks for helping me out last night. I have now updated the list of administrators of the Danish team on launchpad and find them duly reflected on the loco portal | 06:44 |
| laoshi | so all is well | 06:44 |
| dholbach | hey dpm | 07:24 |
| dholbach | how are you doing? | 07:24 |
| dholbach | dpm, did you make a decision about UADW? | 07:24 |
| dholbach | I guess I can remove my session from my calendar for now | 07:24 |
| dpm | hi dholbach, yeah, sorry. I had a chat with Jono last week and decided to postpone it to Q | 07:26 |
| dpm | good morning everyone | 07:26 |
| dholbach | ok, no worries | 07:27 |
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| czajkowski | herrro | 08:07 |
| czajkowski | mhall119: https://launchpad.net/unity-buss | 09:00 |
| Pendulum | mhall119: I think we're getting your weather by accident today. | 10:36 |
| czajkowski | gimmie! | 10:37 |
| Pendulum | czajkowski: you can have it. It's also at 89% humidity currently and I'm not sure it's going to go down much | 10:37 |
| czajkowski | that is a bit of a difference from my 9 degrees here | 10:42 |
| Pendulum | yeah, it's currenly 14 and is supposed to hit 32 | 10:42 |
| * czajkowski goes to look at a sun holiday | 10:43 | |
| nigelb | czajkowski: You can switch weather with me anyday! | 11:03 |
| nigelb | It's 30s with low humidity. | 11:04 |
| nigelb | Quite hot actually :) | 11:04 |
| czajkowski | nice | 11:06 |
| Pendulum | nigelb: I'd take the low humidity part | 11:07 |
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| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| mhall119 | czajkowski: what about unity-buss? | 12:41 |
| mhall119 | Pendulum: it's actually been nice here the last couple of days, but we badly need some rain | 12:41 |
| czajkowski | mhall119: was just one of the projects was reviewing this mornign, thought I'd bring it to your light, it was a lens | 12:42 |
| czajkowski | got side tracked sorting out issues | 12:42 |
| daker | dholbach, see what i have posted on G+ | 12:42 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: yeah, I've been seeing it progress | 12:46 |
| mhall119 | people are doing very innovative things with lenses | 12:46 |
| mhall119 | I love it | 12:46 |
| czajkowski | aye tis really cool to see | 12:46 |
| Pendulum | mhall119: it's supposed to be 90 with a decent amount of humidity today. This is not normal. And for me it's not good :-/ | 13:03 |
| czajkowski | :( | 13:03 |
| dholbach | daker: wow | 13:04 |
| mhall119 | Pendulum: yeah, especially up north where people consider A/C "optional" | 13:04 |
| dholbach | daker: I can still remember going down that road - Marrakech to Ouazazarte | 13:05 |
| daker | dholbach, yep | 13:05 |
| Pendulum | mhall119: it's also mid-April. I can't remember it ever being this hot this early | 13:05 |
| dholbach | (and from there down to M'Hamid) | 13:06 |
| Pendulum | I'm really glad I'm not still in school | 13:06 |
| Pendulum | since no schools up here have a/c that I know of | 13:06 |
| dholbach | daker: these guys are crazy :) | 13:07 |
| daker | dholbach, it's called Tizi-N-Tichka, 200km of turns the most dangerous road in Morocco | 13:08 |
| dholbach | :-) | 13:09 |
| mhall119 | Pendulum: yeah, it got hot early here too | 13:14 |
| mhall119 | never really got cold either | 13:14 |
| czajkowski | http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/all-gatwick-flights-suspended-after-emergency-landing-547688.html flying with virgin to UDS | 13:18 |
| Pendulum | mhall119: I'm brainstorming places with a/c that don't require me to stay upright (either seated or standing). We need more places in the US where it's okay to lounge ;-) | 13:19 |
| mhall119 | Pendulum: yeah, despite having so many places called "lounges" | 13:23 |
| mhall119 | Pendulum: you can always just go spend the day at the Mattress Factory "trying out" the beds | 13:23 |
| Pendulum | I was thinking of that. Not sure they'd appreciate my normal 14:30 crash where I can't wake up for a while, though ;-) | 13:26 |
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| czajkowski | dpm: ello would you know how I could check this out or if the team should in fact be active? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/193807 | 13:57 |
| dpm | hi czajkowski, what I usually do in these cases is to check that they've actually contacted the current team owner, and if they can provide evidence that they have and the owner is unresponsive, I ask a LOSA to reassign ownership to the person interested in leading the team | 14:19 |
| czajkowski | grand | 14:19 |
| czajkowski | thanks | 14:19 |
| daker | where is jcastro ? | 14:20 |
| jcastro | I am here, hi | 14:21 |
| daker | jcastro, https://plus.google.com/101694416703170881163/posts/JFvrgR78NDJ | 14:25 |
| jcastro | oh cool | 14:25 |
| jcastro | yeah I saw that firday | 14:25 |
| jcastro | I thought you were working on the loco portal though? | 14:25 |
| daker | jcastro, the them is here if you want to deploy it https://code.launchpad.net/~cloud-portal-dev/ubuntu-cloud-portal/wp-cloud-portal | 14:27 |
| daker | jcastro, we can deploy it cloud.u.c, test it then switch to it when it's ready | 14:28 |
| jcastro | hmm I don't know what's going on with the cloud portal | 14:28 |
| jcastro | I thought the web team was redoing it? | 14:29 |
| daker | jcastro, no idea :/ | 14:29 |
| jcastro | mhall119: hah you didn't know about the new Cosmos? | 14:52 |
| jcastro | hosted by Tyson and get this | 14:53 |
| jcastro | produced/directed by Seth McFarlane (the Family Guy guy) | 14:53 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: no, I *have* to find this | 14:58 |
| mhall119 | I bet my kids would love it | 14:59 |
| jcastro | it's not out | 14:59 |
| jcastro | it's what everyone is waiting for this year | 14:59 |
| jcastro | I don't know when it's coming out | 14:59 |
| mhall119 | man, how did I miss all of this? | 14:59 |
| mhall119 | this makes me so happy | 14:59 |
| jcastro | http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/arts/television/fox-plans-new-cosmos-with-seth-macfarlane-as-a-producer.html | 15:00 |
| jcastro | it's going to be like 13 episodes or something | 15:00 |
| mhall119 | because I was pretty tired of seeing Michio Kaku everywhere | 15:00 |
| mhall119 | " expected to be broadcast in 2013" awww | 15:01 |
| cprofitt | hello Gwaihir | 15:05 |
| Gwaihir | hello cprofitt! | 15:05 |
| cprofitt | hey jono | 15:06 |
| cprofitt | hope both of your days are going well | 15:06 |
| jono | hey cprofitt! | 15:07 |
| jono | good thanks, you? | 15:07 |
| cprofitt | A little hectic, co-worker is off who imaged a few hundred machines last week... | 15:08 |
| cprofitt | other than that pretty good | 15:08 |
| jcastro | mhall119: aha! dude, the create meeting shows up for me now | 15:13 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: cool | 15:13 |
| mhall119 | I forgot cjohnston made it possible to assign scheduler permissions on a per-summit basis | 15:14 |
| greg-g | hah, this diff really isn't very helpful at all http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/revision/17 | 15:57 |
| dholbach | greg-g, even a wdiff is not particularly helpful | 16:26 |
| dholbach | the CoC contained a lot of duplication when the LCoC got merged in | 16:26 |
| greg-g | dholbach: do you know if there is a summary of the changes, other than "tighten it up a bit" ? :) | 16:33 |
| dholbach | greg-g, the diversity statement got added and the LCoC was merged in, plus some generalisations + crispification | 16:33 |
| greg-g | "crispification" I'm going to use that in the future | 16:34 |
| cprofitt | yeah... crispification is a cool word | 16:35 |
| czajkowski | it had grown to over 200 lines and wasn't very easy t read now it reads a lot better | 16:36 |
| czajkowski | shorter sentences ++ | 16:36 |
| greg-g | I'm all for crispification :) but like I said on the loco-contacts mailing list, comparing how things are phrased is important. Phrasing gives a document its 'feel'. | 16:38 |
| cprofitt | greg-g: you would rather read both the new one as a complete non-diff version? | 16:40 |
| cprofitt | I suspect a diff or the original vs. its current form would look a great deal like v17 that you commented on. | 16:41 |
| dholbach | greg-g, http://paste.ubuntu.com/932765/ or http://paste.ubuntu.com/932767/ | 16:42 |
| dholbach | the diff is almost useless | 16:42 |
| greg-g | actually, that diff is useful to me, it shows me which things weren't touched and which words were removed | 16:43 |
| greg-g | it is terribly messy, but, there's a ton of changes that were made | 16:44 |
| dholbach | whenever you rephrase a section to "crisp" it, it will look like something was removed | 16:45 |
| dholbach | but yeah | 16:45 |
| dholbach | enjoy the diff :) | 16:45 |
| greg-g | yeah, all I'm saying is that crisping can sometimes lose nuance (almost by definition) and nuance is sometimes important (not always). I mean, I'm coming at this with my work day hat on, which is all lawyers and politicians ;) | 16:45 |
| czajkowski | greg-g: remove the hat | 16:46 |
| czajkowski | it's been a long day have a beer | 16:46 |
| czajkowski | :) | 16:46 |
| dholbach | yeah, removing the hat will help ;-) | 16:46 |
| dholbach | to me it's very much the same in spirit | 16:47 |
| greg-g | czajkowski: it just started! ;) I really wish I could! | 16:47 |
| czajkowski | greg-g: go read your emails from me so :p | 16:47 |
| dholbach | alright my friends - I call it a day | 16:47 |
| dholbach | see you tomorrow *HUGS* | 16:47 |
| czajkowski | toodles dholbach | 16:47 |
| dholbach | byeeeeeee | 16:47 |
| greg-g | dholbach: good to know (re very much the same in spirit) | 16:48 |
| greg-g | g'night! | 16:48 |
| dholbach | :) | 16:48 |
| cprofitt | greg-g: I see you Monday is like mine... | 16:56 |
| cprofitt | your Monday I meant | 16:56 |
| mhall119 | jono: are we still on for a call today? | 17:03 |
| jono | mhall119, hey, yeah, just give me one min | 17:04 |
| jono | wrapping up some openstack bits | 17:04 |
| jono | mhall119, lets go | 17:08 |
| jono | usual hangout | 17:08 |
| greg-g | btw, crispification reminds me of jono, mostly because I like my bacon crisp | 17:10 |
| mhall119 | jono: btw, I did some work on the API pages last week: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/platform/api/ | 17:46 |
| cjohnston | jono: the Leadership Summit has been scheduled | 17:48 |
| jcastro | jono: you still wanna hang out? | 18:08 |
| jcastro | jono: did "someone will come pick them up" turn into "jono come deliver these to us immediately in rush hour"? | 18:09 |
| jono | jcastro, totally, you still good for wed eve? | 18:09 |
| jono | cjohnston, cool | 18:09 |
| jono | jcastro, I am bringing them down for 1pm | 18:09 |
| jono | cjohnston, set for Tues/Thu afternoon? | 18:09 |
| jcastro | jono: thumbs up for wed. | 18:10 |
| jono | jcastro, :-) | 18:10 |
| jcastro | jono: in other news, I am carting a microserver with me as carry on. | 18:11 |
| jcastro | you know, JUST IN CASE we need it. | 18:11 |
| cprofitt | N40L? | 18:11 |
| cjohnston | jono: yes | 18:11 |
| jcastro | yeah | 18:11 |
| cprofitt | I still have not taken the plunge on one yet | 18:11 |
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| jcastro | jono: nowish or should I hit lunch? | 18:25 |
| jono | jcastro, hit lunch, on calls | 18:25 |
| jcastro | <3 | 18:25 |
| mhall119 | it's better to just eat it | 18:28 |
| jcastro | mhall119: fyi, skaet can't seem to move/edit sessions either | 18:41 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: is she a track lead? | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | has she managed the scheduling at prior UDS's? | 18:47 |
| pleia2 | jcastro: I live a few blocks from the openstack conference this week, are there awesome people I should be inviting out for coffee? :) | 18:48 |
| pleia2 | I was pretty close to volunteering at the Debian booth so I could attend, but work :( | 18:49 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: it's probably a good bet that there are some awesome people there :) | 18:50 |
| pleia2 | I know Mark is here, looked at his IP earlier | 18:51 |
| pleia2 | but didn't catch up online | 18:51 |
| jussi | sigh/grumble | 18:52 |
| jussi | akgraner: are you here? | 18:52 |
| jussi | (no, the grumble isnt at you, its at all those who arent around when I need them) | 18:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | OMG the mighty paultag | 19:20 |
| hobgoblin | hi pangolin | 19:20 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: I've missed you :) | 19:20 |
| hobgoblin | sorry | 19:20 |
| hobgoblin | hi paultag | 19:20 |
| paultag | heyya hobgoblin | 19:20 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: I'm just here to note my extreme protest against the new CoC :) | 19:20 |
| nothingspecial | hi paultag | 19:20 |
| paultag | waiting in here in case someone who had a hand in it shows up | 19:20 |
| paultag | hey nothingspecial | 19:20 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: how's things? | 19:20 |
| paultag | (you too, hobgoblin) | 19:21 |
| hobgoblin | good thanks | 19:21 |
| paultag | (also you nothingspecial) | 19:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | what new CoC ? | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | paultag: happy birthday! (is it your real birthday or just your facebook birthday?) | 19:21 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: the new CoC that was proposed w/ Nazi-germany "Unity" clause | 19:21 |
| * bodhi_zazen beats paultag with CoC | 19:21 | |
| paultag | pleia2: It's my real birthday, thanks! :) | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | what's the "Unity" clause? | 19:21 |
| nothingspecial | good thanks paultag | 19:21 |
| paultag | pleia2: Decisiveness has value in itself | 19:22 |
| paultag | pleia2: where if I badmouth us having Unity by default, I'm in violation of the CoC | 19:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | Do you have a link paultag ? | 19:22 |
| paultag | pleia2: in personal or public discussion | 19:22 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: yeah, one sec | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | paultag: I think it's more referring to the type of thing that caused Ubuntu to be created (sarge was stable for 3 years) | 19:22 |
| paultag | pleia2: if you read it, me saying Ubuntu was a bad decision is in violation | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | I think we're reading it very differently | 19:23 |
| marcoceppi | paultag: I think you're taking that clause to the extreme a bit | 19:23 |
| paultag | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/view/head:/MergedCodeOfConduct.txt | 19:23 |
| marcoceppi | It says you can disagree, just be respectful. | 19:23 |
| paultag | It says if I debate the issue, it's against the CoC | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | marcoceppi: +1 | 19:23 |
| paultag | even if that debate is civil | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | paultag: I don't see that part | 19:23 |
| paultag | hose who do the work make the decisions and we do not expect to | 19:24 |
| paultag | delay, debate or discuss any decision after the fact | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | and it wouldn't make any sense anyway | 19:24 |
| paultag | the point remains, strictly, I'd be in violation | 19:24 |
| paultag | I don't take such things lightly, I'd like to be able to comply with the CoC | 19:24 |
| paultag | if you could modify that to add constructive or respectful, I'd be fine | 19:25 |
| marcoceppi | paultag: are you running around littering the internet with snide one-off remarks like "unity sucks" | 19:25 |
| paultag | marcoceppi: does it matter? | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | paultag: did you send feedback to czajkowski? | 19:25 |
| paultag | if I did, it'd be gainst the CoC | 19:25 |
| marcoceppi | yes, because that's not constructive in any way | 19:25 |
| paultag | pleia2: yes, and I came here in the case it needed to be discussed real-time | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | paultag: can you please tell us what portion exactly says you can't civilly disagree so I don't need to wait for her to add it to the wiki? | 19:25 |
| paultag | I vehemently oppose this clause, because a bunch of people made a bad decision and don't want to hear critisim anymore | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | I am terribly confused :( | 19:26 |
| paultag | pleia2: Decisiveness has value in itself. | 19:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | hey paultag , I can see you feel passionately about this, slow down a bit, I am still reading the document ;) | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | I have no idea how you can read so much into it | 19:26 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: :) | 19:26 |
| paultag | pleia2: if you read it, it's pretty clear | 19:26 |
| paultag | it says, don't debate it unless you debate it to a higher council | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | "Decisiveness has value in itself." does not mean "you can never debate anything" | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | where does it say that? | 19:27 |
| paultag | Those who do the work make the decisions and we do not expect to | 19:27 |
| paultag | delay, debate or discuss any decision after the fact, except through | 19:27 |
| paultag | escalation to a more senior governance body | 19:27 |
| paultag | it's right there, it's very clear | 19:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | paultag: how would you like that section to read ? pastebin a revision ;) | 19:27 |
| paultag | bodhi_zazen: I don't want to spend my time cleaning up a mess, I'd just like to be able to stay an Ubuntu member | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | ok, that should be softened since "no debate ever" was not our intention | 19:28 |
| paultag | I didn't see an issue with the first CoC | 19:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | The project sort of needs to be able to discuss / debate an issue, make a decision, and move forward | 19:28 |
| paultag | pleia2: it should, because that reads like an edict from the third reich | 19:28 |
| paultag | frankly | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | there is no need to go to that level :( | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | it's really hurtful | 19:28 |
| paultag | (I could be thrown out for that comment if this passed) | 19:28 |
| marcoceppi | paultag: So you don't want to make it better, just tell people they're wrong? Or am I misreading your statement | 19:29 |
| bodhi_zazen | I sort of tire of the "Unity sucks" threads on the forums, but we do not take action unless they cross the line and read like personal insults | 19:29 |
| paultag | wich is part of be respectful | 19:29 |
| cprofitt | I am fairly 'lawerly' when it comes to looking at things paultag ... and I see that as saying... we can have disagreements, but we can not allow them to persist and fester. | 19:29 |
| beuno | oh yay! comparison to the nazis has already started | 19:29 |
| beuno | was hoping I didn't miss it | 19:29 |
| marcoceppi | beuno: second time in 10 mins :) | 19:29 |
| paultag | marcoceppi: I've been contributing to Debian, and to Ubuntu indirectly. I don't care to come back just yet, but I have taken pride in the 4-5 years I've spent here. | 19:30 |
| cprofitt | the fact that this long after Unity's adoption that we are still coloring any decision by that fact is an example of 'fester' | 19:30 |
| paultag | pleia2: a fix to that section (or it's removal and implicit inclusion via be respectful) would be great | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | paultag: please try to submit some better wording instead of calling the CC Nazis, I'm very upset right now :( | 19:30 |
| marcoceppi | Not to mention, if you don't like Unity there has been a great deal of progress on a "fallback" session that operates like Gnome 2 classic. Why not channel your energy and time into that project? | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | like seriously, I am very very upset | 19:31 |
| paultag | pleia2: I didn't, I called this similar to an edict from the third reich | 19:31 |
| Pici | ... | 19:31 |
| paultag | I never insult people personally | 19:31 |
| beuno | I don't think it should be removed, although certainly reworded | 19:31 |
| beuno | it's an important message to not add to much negativity to each decision being made | 19:31 |
| beuno | paralyzing things more and more | 19:31 |
| beuno | it's not healthy | 19:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | paultag: you have made your point, people will listen, you willing to try to help with the wording ? | 19:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | If not, give them a chance | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | we don't have some evil plan in mind to destroy the community, we truly are trying to do our best | 19:32 |
| beuno | we also don't want to kill 20 million people, so I don't know | 19:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | and come back after the next revision | 19:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | without guns blazing | 19:32 |
| paultag | pleia2: I understand that, and I respect you lots, as you know | 19:32 |
| paultag | pleia2: but I can't stand the idea of being thrown out because I disagree | 19:32 |
| paultag | In it's current form, I can not sign it. | 19:32 |
| Pici | I don't agree with paultag's wording of the issue, but I think that the document could use a little help in that section. | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | paultag: please understand, we opened up discussion to make this work for the community, being so defensive and aggressive is not needed, we want discussion | 19:33 |
| beuno | and more importantly, it makes your point less likely to be heard | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | suggest a change and say why it's an issue, we don't need these cruel comparisons to understand | 19:33 |
| nigelb | paultag: You know what, you should propose an MP with better wording. | 19:33 |
| paultag | pleia2: I'm really not happy! To me it looked like someone was trying to sneak a clause in to quell dislike of bad decisions | 19:33 |
| cprofitt | certainly the very fact that it was put out for public comment is a sign that the community is taken seriously... I look forward to suggestions on how to improve it. As communities grow they will hit hurdles... we need to get to the hurdle and jump it... not stumble and fall. As a community we can do that if we offer constructive comments and suggestions. | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | paultag: if that was the case we wouldn't have specifically asked for feedback | 19:33 |
| paultag | pleia2: I understand | 19:34 |
| mhall119 | wow, welcome back paultag | 19:35 |
| paultag | mhall119: I didn't intend to be back, tbh | 19:35 |
| mhall119 | you never left our hearts :) | 19:35 |
| paultag | mhall119: ♥ | 19:35 |
| mhall119 | even if you think we're CoC nazis | 19:36 |
| paultag | :) | 19:36 |
| paultag | the names in here have changed a bit, which is nice to see | 19:36 |
| mhall119 | paultag: that clause, to me, reads "Don't hate people for making a decision when a decision had to be made" | 19:36 |
| paultag | mhall119: to me, it's if you don't agree, you'll be in violation of the CoC | 19:37 |
| paultag | or rather, if you don't agree and say something | 19:37 |
| cjohnston | I don't read it the way paultag does, but I can understand it reading that way | 19:37 |
| mhall119 | or, read another way "JFDI is good, even when you don't specifically agree with what was JF-done" | 19:37 |
| paultag | mhall119: I wish it was just "Don't disrupt the community because of a descision you disagree with" or something | 19:37 |
| paultag | it's clearly not the sort of thing where you may not debate this in public or private (as noted as to how the CoC applies) | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | paultag: have you seen the discussions about init on the debian lists lately (and over the past 5 years)? It's addressing that sort of thing | 19:38 |
| mhall119 | paultag: how can the wording be changed to clarify that disagreement is okay, but complaining when decision makers make decisions is not | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | I agree that it needs some rewording | 19:38 |
| paultag | mhall119: I really don't want to sit down and try to fix something I didn't think was broken, but so long as I can object and make my views known, and not get thrown out, I'm happy. | 19:38 |
| mhall119 | paultag: to me it's there to encourage people to make decisions without worrying about being attacked for it | 19:38 |
| paultag | since this does apply to any interaction I have in public or private with anyone who knows I'm an Ubuntu'er | 19:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think you made your point paultag , come back after then next revision then, without guns blazing | 19:41 |
| paultag | I'm a bit heated, sure. I understand the way I presented this is over the line, but that's the point. | 19:41 |
| paultag | FWIW, I still love all y'all. ♥ | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | <3 | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | it's really not a conspiracy, the CC is still mostly community members who are doing our best | 19:42 |
| nigelb | except for mark :P | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | Unity never even came up in any of the discussions I was part of regarding the CoC changes, honestly most of it was about integrating the LCoC | 19:43 |
| paultag | pleia2: I understand where it's coming from, but I really don't like the idea of an uninforced clause that can be selectively enforced in evil-deamon-X took over someone who made such calls | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | I assure you this is why we opened things up for discussion :) | 19:44 |
| paultag | I thought most of this was implicit under be respectful | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | obviously we didn't read it the same way you did or think it could be applied in the way you described | 19:44 |
| paultag | pleia2: I've been wrist deep in copyright law for the last 6 months, I'm starting to speak lawyer | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | hah | 19:45 |
| nigelb | lol | 19:45 |
| paultag | (sadly not kidding) | 19:45 |
| nigelb | paultag: we can still understand you. Try harder. | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | you know, there is a reason we don't like lawyers ;) | 19:45 |
| paultag | hopefully, you'll end up not liking me, but having a changed CoC ;) | 19:45 |
| jcastro | hey mhall119 | 20:03 |
| mhall119 | hey jcastro | 20:04 |
| jcastro | this totally fell of my radar, then I realized it's your radar! :) | 20:04 |
| * mhall119 uses sonar | 20:04 | |
| jcastro | mhall119: stefano is back in school so the AskUbuntu lens is in limbo. | 20:04 |
| jcastro | markjtully had a fix for precise | 20:04 |
| jcastro | and that's all I remember | 20:05 |
| mhall119 | ok | 20:05 |
| * popey boggles | 20:05 | |
| jcastro | I am not sure if it works still or not | 20:06 |
| jcastro | but I think marcoceppi has trunk merging capabilities on launchpad? | 20:06 |
| mhall119 | I'm adking teester now | 20:06 |
| jcastro | mebbe all he needs to do is merge the fixes? | 20:06 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: I might | 20:06 |
| marcoceppi | if not I could get them pretty easily (or anyone else who needed them) | 20:06 |
| jcastro | marcoceppi: hey is there a way to install multiple packages via apt.ubuntu.com? | 20:13 |
| marcoceppi | yeah, comma-seperated | 20:13 |
| marcoceppi | http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/geany,geany-plugins | 20:13 |
| * greg-g hugs paultag | 20:14 | |
| * paultag hugs greg-g | 20:14 | |
| paultag | greg-g: How are you? I've missed you! ♥ | 20:14 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: maybe not. | 20:15 |
| * marcoceppi whistles, if only apturl-redirector was accepted :) | 20:15 | |
| jcastro | yours did right? | 20:15 |
| mhall119 | paultag: hey, while we're not on the subject, I wrote a couple of blogs along the lines of my long-running "economics of foss" ideas | 20:15 |
| greg-g | paultag: pretty good! things are nice out here in SF :) | 20:15 |
| mhall119 | I'd love to get your feedback on them | 20:15 |
| paultag | mhall119: gladly! | 20:15 |
| paultag | mhall119: my inbox is always open to you, friend :) | 20:15 |
| paultag | greg-g: outstanding! How's the LC treating you? | 20:16 |
| mhall119 | paultag: how about your news reader? | 20:16 |
| paultag | mhall119: news reader? Oh man, what did I do? | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | paultag: oi brat how come they get hugs and I dont and I've to deal woth you too buddy! | 20:16 |
| greg-g | paultag: oh you know, fun times in the LC every day. yay drama! :) | 20:16 |
| akgraner | jussi, looks like you aren't around now - sorry - was on calls | 20:16 |
| * paultag gives czajkowski a huge hug | 20:16 | |
| paultag | greg-g: oh man, lame | 20:16 |
| paultag | everything was so happy when I was there … :) | 20:16 |
| greg-g | hahaha | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | paultag: drama fecker | 20:16 |
| jcastro | technoviking: there? | 20:17 |
| czajkowski | greg-g: feeling the love buddy feeling the love there | 20:17 |
| greg-g | czajkowski: oh, that wasn't re: you, that was re: the latest issue | 20:18 |
| paultag | greg-g: czajkowski: Get along. You're both good friends of mine. By the transiant property, you should be best friends! | 20:18 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:18 |
| marcoceppi | jcastro: looks like a bug in apturl - multiple packages should work with the apt-url | 20:18 |
| czajkowski | paultag: yes dear | 20:18 |
| paultag | :) | 20:18 |
| czajkowski | greg-g: indeed my head is royally fecked after spending a large chunk of work day trying to resolve it via lp | 20:19 |
| greg-g | ugh, my condoloences | 20:19 |
| mhall119 | czajkowski: prolonged exposure to Zope has been know to cause those symptoms | 20:20 |
| czajkowski | hahah | 20:20 |
| czajkowski | mhall119: | 20:20 |
| mhall119 | :) | 20:21 |
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