[00:38] Morning all [00:39] RAOF: morning! [00:40] RAOF: btw, did you see s2tc was in precise? yay for libtxn-dxtc0 being installable :) [00:41] No, I missed that. [00:41] not sure if s2tc works with civ5 though [00:42] I guess I can test that :) [04:24] Good morning [05:16] pitti: I don't think libpng-dev is in unstable yet [05:17] jbicha: but libpng12-dev Provides: it [05:17] jbicha: Ubuntu buildds can resolve this, but indeed I'm not fully sure about Debian's [05:17] I better change it to libpng-dev | libpng12-dev [05:19] pitti: oh, I didn't realize that, I think I've reverted the libpng-dev change in Ubuntu a couple times [05:20] no need for that [05:20] jbicha: I changed it in svn, thanks [06:11] good morning [06:12] bonjour didrocks [06:13] guten morgen pitti, how are you? [06:13] * pitti fights with gtk+3.0 stopping to build because configure.ac cannot find cairo-pdf.h any more; WTH [06:13] didrocks: quite fine, thanks! I had a nice weekend, how about you? [06:14] pitti: the week-end was nice again, although rainy, so didn't really achieve a lot. [06:29] pitti: ok, two things: [06:30] - c-p-m broke the ABI (so some plugins in c-p-e doesn't work) [06:30] -> I'll rebuild c-p-e [06:30] ack [06:30] - the branch with the design change has a fix [06:30] I'm building it right now and keep you up to date, Tim tripled check it as well as there are tests [06:37] pitti: you did see that one, isn't it? (sent a notice on Friday evening) ^ [06:38] bug 959339 ? [06:38] Launchpad bug 959339 in unity "Launcher, Alt-Tab - clicking on launcher item or selecting a app in Alt-Tab raises all app windows, not just most recently focused" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959339 [06:38] right [06:38] didrocks: did that change recently? [06:39] pitti: that changed on purpose on the beginning of the cycle [06:39] pitti: and alt-tab always had this behavior [06:39] 8 months ago, I tried to convince design that the alt-tab behavior (raising all windows) isn't logical [06:39] so how can it be a surprising critical regression now? [06:39] I agree that it should only focus per-window, not per-app [06:40] it's not a "regression" as I told them [06:40] as it was on purpose and a "design decision" [06:40] that's what they told me 8 months ago :) [06:40] and suddenly "omg, we can't release without that" [06:40] so, I'm just pushing because I'm convinced the current behavior is wrong as well [06:40] as I was 8 months ago :) [06:41] anyway, the bug description seems fine to fix [06:41] I guess I don't want to know how many thousand LOC that changes? :-) [06:41] pitti: it's quite descent https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/3v1n0-quick-alt+tab-fixes/+merge/102028 [06:41] pitti: if you remove the test part [06:42] hm, that has other, unrelated, changes in it, right? [06:43] the first bug is the same [06:43] just the original one [06:43] but design likes to open multiples… [06:43] the other one yeah [06:43] and unfortunaly, despite me asking to only have that changes, it's mixed and was what was tested [06:44] and nobody is around upstream [06:46] robert_ancell: You around? [06:47] RAOF, yup [07:00] pitti: so, I tried the branch in multiple configurations: one monitor, multimonitor, with one launcher, with one launcher on each monitor and all the intended behavior happened as well. same with alt-tab. I tried to trick it for 10 minutes [07:01] pitti: on the other bug, let me reread it because I don't see any difference [07:02] pitti: for alt-tab and from what I see, there is really no difference, it appears on the monitor which has the mouse pointer [07:02] which was already the case before [07:05] pitti: I see no change in the commit related to that, apart from the additional test which tests this behavior [07:06] pitti: so, what do you think we should be doing? either updating now, are waiting for Marco to come (which can be only this evening as he's studying) [07:06] didrocks: if you are ok with the changes, please get them uploaded (-proposed) [07:06] pitti: ok, doing now [07:06] didrocks: the other changes I referred to don't look harmful, I just noticed when reading the patch [07:06] has anyone had any trouble compiling gtk? [07:06] robert_ancell: if you refer to what I said above, that was my fault [07:07] my new glib upload broke the .pc, I reuploaded with a fixed patch [07:07] I've updated the new gtk and compiled it here, but it seems to log out all my sessions when I do. I can't work out why [07:07] I bzr push --overwrire [07:07] pitti: ah I got the change [07:07] robert_ancell: oh, I'm working on gtk 3.4.1, you too? [07:07] pitti, yeah [07:07] robert_ancell: see the pad and bzr commit [07:08] pitti: so, mouse on monitor A, alt-tab to focus an application on monitor B, alt-tab -> shows on monitor B [07:08] before, it was only where the mouse was [07:08] but if you move the mouse, then, it will again the monitor where you moved the mouse [07:08] robert_ancell: haven't tested yet, still building locally (built in my PPA) [07:08] robert_ancell: can you compare your changes to what's currently in bzr? [07:09] robert_ancell: you mean _compiling_ logs you out of your session? [07:10] robert_ancell: somethign during the test suite, I suppose? [07:10] pitti, yes [07:10] well, I'll see ;) [07:10] pitti, that's what I was thinking, but I'm not seeing any smoking gun [07:11] pitti, and so I compiled it from a text terminal thinking it was something X related, but it still happened there and logged out both my text terminal and restarted lightdm [07:11] I don't even know what could do that [07:11] talking to ConsoleKit perhaps? [07:12] or the tests do somethign like killall gnome-session? [07:12] or the equivalent on the session bus? [07:12] pitti, yeah, CK was my guess to [07:14] pitti, git_gtkcellrenderer_grabbing_modifier.patch wasn't actually applied in 3.4.1 (the patch name is misleading) [07:14] i.e. the upstream bug is still open and doesn't have the patch applied [07:15] hm, it said it could be reverse-applied, checking [07:16] pitti, and there's a few version changes in debian/control you missed - I'll commit those [07:16] robert_ancell: thanks; I diffed configure.ac against 3.4.0, those were the ones that I saw; but it could miss some updates from previous versions [07:17] pitti, everyone always forgets about updating the -dev package dependencies too :) [07:17] ah, those; argh [07:18] pitti, ok pushed those. Good luck with the compile! [07:22] robert_ancell: erk, I get the same logoutt [07:23] pitti, yay, at least my computer is not completely broken! [07:23] so, building in screen now :) [07:27] phew [07:27] hey rickspencer3 [07:27] hey pitti, robert_ancell, didrocks what's the word on the street for Precise? [07:27] rickspencer3, it's 10 flavours or awesome? [07:27] of awesome [07:27] hehe [07:27] robert_ancell, wfm [07:28] any known serious issues on the desktop? how does the last Unity upload look? [07:28] holding up fine hehr [07:28] here [07:28] robert_ancell, btw, the lightdm greeter for 12.04 is really really nice! [07:29] rickspencer3: looked good. We have an incoming build with a late design change, but apart from that, no crashers, nothing ;) [07:29] rickspencer3, not that I know of. There's some niggling issues for people doing complex login stuff, but I think we've got most of them under control m=now [07:29] hmmm, maybe we should disable logging in as a simplification for 12.10 ... would for sure reduce our bug count [07:30] rickspencer3, well, I'm a supporter :) [07:30] rickspencer3: logging != login :) [07:30] sorry, I just spent 2 hours getting through my inbox, now I'm all snarky [07:30] disabling login would indeed solve most bugs, yes [07:30] ok, I'll look for that blueprint early in the week for UDS [07:30] later all [07:30] robert_ancell: cu [07:30] by robert_ancell [07:30] robert_ancell: I restored that patch, btw [07:36] didrocks, no crashers? that is good news indeed! [07:38] rickspencer3: well, not "no" none, just "no crasher that are widespread" ;) [07:39] didrocks, fair enough ;) [07:47] chrisccoulson: hi, could you please update the FF and TB desktop file translations? We have quite a few new translations for the keywords: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/FirefoxDesktop https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/ThunderbirdDesktop [08:02] hey [08:03] hey seb128, ca va? [08:03] pitti, salut! [08:04] salut seb128 :) [08:04] oui, bien, et yoi ? [08:04] toi [08:04] seb128: had a nice weekend? [08:04] lut didrocks [08:04] pitti, yes, nothing special, the weather is not so great, but still relaxing ;-) [08:04] you? [08:04] seb128: I did some 3.4.1 stuff this morning, please check pad/bzr/unapproved before starting [08:04] I see you guys already have some hours behind you [08:04] unity upload in, glib in the queue [08:05] pitti, did you start on gtk yet? [08:05] seb128: quite fine; we had our first BBQ this year [08:05] seb128: yes, currently building locally, and in bzr [08:05] oh, I guess your weather is better than ours :p [08:05] seb128: it was rather chilly indeed, but we already invited all the guests [08:05] we had 15°C grey and windy here [08:05] seb128: but at least dry; on Sunday it was quite horrific [08:05] nice day to stay at home and do nothing [08:05] I played two TIE fighter tours :) [08:05] hehe [08:05] and did some readingf [08:06] seb128: I still have nautilus-sendto on my list [08:06] otherwise I think we need to wait for new tarballs to come int [08:06] pitti, I think the newer revision required the new eds on gsettings [08:06] there might still be some "extra" stuff on versinos.html, haven't checked yet [08:06] seb128: -sendto? [08:06] yes [08:06] ok [08:07] confirming sucky weather here as well :) [08:07] pitti, http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus-sendto/commit/?id=76ca02055a515f99c5acafebe3a090dd78984d53 [08:07] didrocks, ahah, for once you got it as well :p [08:07] seb128: indeed ;) [08:07] pitti, I had the discussion with bigon when he updated for Debian [08:08] seb128: ok, so let's just skip that then, shall we? [08:08] pitti, wfm [08:10] pitti, otherwise yes, from the ftp list emails we are good to wait for tarballs after gtk [08:10] pitti, thanks for doing glib,gtk btw ;-) [08:10] de rien [08:10] pitti, do you plan to include mvo's patch? [08:10] seb128: yes, I did [08:11] seb128: g-screensaver and gdk-pixbuf are also waiting in unapproved [08:11] pitti, btw one of the gedit guys commented on the bug saying he doesn't like the patch, not sure if you saw [08:11] yes, I did see it [08:11] pitti, excellent [08:11] I still think it's better than crashing [08:12] seb128: and somehow I need to fix a bug now, without -proposed :) [08:12] right, well he points that it could create cyclic references and the apps,pygobject should be fixed anyway [08:13] nothing to be fixed in pygobject [08:13] seb128: well, I can take it out again if you prefer [08:13] pitti, you should have done gdk-pixbuf without syncing, that would have counted for one ;-) [08:14] seb128: no, it's through -proposed [08:14] pitti, no, that's fine, I agree for precise it's a good solution, let the GTK guys argue on how differently it should be done [08:14] seb128: it's a --no-lp sync (i. e. real upload), as I uplaoded at the same time [08:14] ok [08:15] pitti, do you know if somebody testing the nautilus 12.04 LTS wrapping? [08:16] pitti, I finished by letting the "wrap after '.' if not followed by a digit" (i.e just dropping the 3 digits special case, and fixing their macro which was buggy) [08:17] meh, gtk 3.4.1's test suite is really really evil [08:17] it even kills your session AND screen if you build in screen [08:18] seb128: it's easy to test by booting today's live image or upgrading yesterday's [08:18] seb128: haven't heard of a confirmation yet [08:18] seb128: thanks for this [08:18] yw [08:19] pitti, it kills your session? wth? [08:19] seb128: robert's too [08:19] something in the test suite [08:19] it's the third time this month somebody tells me that a testsuite close the session [08:19] I built it in a PPA, that works fine [08:19] I blame xorg or something in the stack [08:19] charles had the same issue with libindicator [08:20] pitti, do you know what is closed,how? [08:20] I don't know yet [08:20] like segv of gnome-session or xorg? oom? [08:21] no crash at all [08:21] ok, let me know if you figure [08:21] I don't get the issue here [08:21] I thought it's talking to ConsoleKit or gnome-session on the session dbus or what not [08:21] hum [08:21] would the session go away if the session bus was taken down? [08:24] that shouldn't kill screen, though [08:24] it's a bit mysterious [08:24] finally got it to build now, after the 10th try :) [08:24] * pitti installs and tests [08:24] yes, I'm somewhat glad you get it :p [08:25] will be easier to get to the bottom for it, I didn't manage to IRC debug it with the people who reported it before [08:25] seb128: we could perhaps update transmission still, by way of merging with Debian? [08:26] you backported half the fixes already anyway [08:28] pitti, let me check the trac logs, I mentioned it to charles and we said it was safer to backport those fixes [08:28] ok [08:28] seb128: do you have anything else for gtk? [08:28] otherwise I'll upload now, works fine here [08:28] pitti, one sec [08:30] hum [08:30] andyrocks filed https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/gtk/fix-781931/+merge/102036 [08:30] which is a fix for bug #781931 [08:30] Launchpad bug 781931 in unity "New windows are moved to front but don't take focus" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781931 [08:30] but in fact I'm unsure if that's a bug in gtk [08:31] I would prefer to have upstream's opinion first I think [08:31] the upstream bug task is marked "invalid", hm [08:32] seb128: ok, we can SRU this, too [08:32] pitti, I will check with andyrock, I think the logic is part of the "don't steal focus" [08:32] there is probably another bug in unity for not using correctly timestamps [08:33] seb128: ok, let me know when you are done with your checks, then I'll upload [08:33] pitti, I think I'm good, you can upload [08:33] thanks! [08:35] pitti, ok, transmissions vcs logs seems fine, if you want to resync on Debian I will not stop you ;-) [08:36] 10:07 < seb128> pitti, I had the discussion with bigon when he updated for Debian << Re nst: the completion seems to work with eds 3.2.2 [08:36] good morning everyone [08:36] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:36] hey chrisccoulson [08:36] hi seb128. i'm good thanks, although, i had quite a busy weekend. how are you? [08:36] hi pitti [08:36] bonjour bigon [08:36] chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks [08:36] hello :) [08:37] chrisccoulson, I hope busy and good as well ;-) [08:37] seb128, yeah, i managed to drink some beers [08:37] bigon, hey, ok, thanks. Didn't you say completion stopped working after you did the update by then? [08:38] ogra_: hey ;) [08:38] the next day after rebooting it was working... something wierd with eds maybe [08:38] hmmm, i'm trying to decide on a new phone, and thinking about one of these: http://www.htc.com/uk/smartphones/htc-one-x/ [08:38] ogra_: compiz-plugins-extra is now FTBFS on arm, I think it's due to the opengl compiz/c-p-m versions: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/102097096/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.compiz-plugins-extra_0.9.7.0~bzr9-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [08:39] ogra_: it's in universe, but maybe can be quickly fixed by anyone on the linaro team? [08:39] chrisccoulson, they look nice ;-) [08:40] seb128, yeah, i quite like it. i'm a bit concerned about the lack of removable battery though [08:40] seems they are going the way of the iphone ;) [08:40] chrisccoulson, way for a galaxy sIII ;-) [08:41] yeah, a few people have said that too. but this does look really nice :) [08:41] seems they should be announced soon [08:41] pitti, if you want to go for the new transmission let me know I've a patch I wanted to add to it if we do an upload [08:42] seb128: ok; I'm not working on it right now (low prio, and doing patch piloting); perhaps just commit it to Debian? [08:43] pitti, transmission is not pkg-gnome maintained [08:43] pitti, I will get it upstream through charles [08:43] oh, I seee [09:01] * Sweetshark considers buying a bumpersticker saying: "I survived Hackfest 2012." [09:01] hey Sweetshark, wie gehts? [09:04] hey Sweetshark ;) [09:07] didrocks, hmm, i dont see it running quilt in the log [09:07] ogra_: compiz-plugins-extra? [09:07] the link you posted above [09:07] ogra_: I didn't see you proposing patches for it, only compiz and c-p-m [09:07] oh, wait [09:07] -extra [09:07] yeah [09:07] * ogra_ isnt fully awake :P [09:08] i'll see if i can catch alf or rsalveti [09:09] i dont think any of these plugins can run anyway yet... but i also dont like to release with FTBFS packages [09:10] pitti, didrocks: great really. Just a bit tired after four days of nonstop hackfest work (even though I didnt get to much done myself). [09:10] ogra_: yeah we can maybe deactivate the arm build… not sure [09:11] thats a very last resort ... [09:11] pitti, didrocks: but I spread some knowledge about how to binary bisect LibreOffice regressions, and there is a video made about that now: http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/SA88flop4MM?version=3&hl=de_DE [09:11] ogra_: nobody really cares about -extra TBH [09:12] right [09:12] but lets see what alf says ... we can always do an upload that disabled the arch [09:12] well, not always but surely still this week [09:13] *disables [09:13] ogra_: yeah ;) [09:13] ogra_: keep me posted! [09:13] I have no strong feeling either way [09:13] will do, thanks for the heads up ! [09:16] win 66 [09:21] chrisccoulson: hi, did you see my request earlier today? any comment on that? [09:22] kelemengabor, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/revision/567 [09:22] oh, great, thanks :) === gord_ is now known as gord [09:22] dpm: will the LP guys do an one-off full export tomorrow? [09:23] dpm: I just set the "request full export" checkbox [09:23] pitti, yes, I haven't arranged it yet, but will talk to them as discussed [10:01] hum [10:02] does anyone else have no nm-applet indicator showing in their panel for some days? [10:02] WFM [10:02] in fact it's not running for me, wth [10:22] didrocks, seb128: FYI, the publisher is broken for the next couple of hours, infinity fixed it but it needs some time to catch up [10:22] so pending-sru and the like won't update [10:22] ok [10:23] thanks for the notice :) [10:36] seb128: hm, still no new 3.4.1 tarballs.. [10:38] * didrocks looks at fredp [11:00] pitti, yeah, side effect of having most of the maintainers U.S based nowadays === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [11:21] Anyone could get a look @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/819994 ? [11:21] Launchpad bug 819994 in gtk+3.0 "String length of items seems limited (system settings label get truncated)" [Low,Triaged] [11:21] Seems a long standing bug, that really kills the layout ;) [11:22] dupondje, like most long standing bugs it's hard to fix [11:23] that's why it's still not addressed [11:23] if you have suggestions on how to do it you are welcome to propose a patch on describe your idea on the bug ;-) [11:24] :) Well my idea is that it really should be fixed, cause now it looks really dirty. [11:24] Can look at the code, but I don't think my knowledge is good enough to fix it :( [11:25] dupondje, well it looks fine in the default install on most locales [11:25] but yeah it's an annoying issue [11:27] If you set text size in 'Universal Access' to Bigger [11:27] and then look at the system settings screen [11:27] :P [11:27] dupondje, "if"... yes, I know, I use a bigger size here ;-) [11:28] Set it to 'smaller' now it looks fine :D [11:28] dupondje, well I know all that and I agree it's an issue, it's just not a trivial one [11:29] having a non fixed geometry for the grid would trigger other layout issues [11:29] that's why upstream forced it this way [11:30] to bad === ayan_ is now known as ayan === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [11:59] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/932409/ [11:59] retracers 13 to 16 top bugs [11:59] just for info ;-) [12:00] thanks seb128 :) [12:00] * didrocks rushes [12:00] unity-2d for the loose [12:00] they have 4 hot bugs there [12:01] waow, the first compiz one is at rank 20 (the one before was c-p-e) [12:01] the numbers seem low somehow [12:02] seb128: ahh, thanks; the first gvfs one is a dupe, marking so [12:02] well, a little bit before or after, depends on how you count equals number :) [12:02] I hate that libx11 XAllocID bug :-( [12:02] the apport one, too [12:03] didrocks, pitti: btw some GNOME tarballs start coming, I put them on the "to claim" on the etherpad [12:03] seb128: thanks :) [12:03] ah, morning in Boston :) [12:03] pitti, in fact rather late european dude so far it seems, vuntz and fpeters ;-) [12:03] they probably slept until 11am, had breakfast and just started :p [12:05] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/101559847/CrashReports.txt [12:05] urgh, someone's kernel is really crashy [12:07] is that didrock's? ;-) [12:08] heh, no :) [12:08] the kernel doesn't like io load for him or something [12:08] I'll take the first two then [12:08] pitti, danke [12:08] I'll just keep grabbing two until end-of-queu :) [12:09] I will grab gnome-panel ;-) [12:18] seb128: the 2d guys are looking at the crashers right now, there are 2 of them in fact (one was already on track) [12:19] didrocks, great, thanks [12:27] grabbing devhelp [12:33] seb128: gimme more tarballs! [12:33] lol [12:33] oh, gtksourceview [12:33] ;-) [12:34] pitti is hungry today! ;-) [12:34] well, new tarballs which just update two po files are no real challenge :) [12:34] update, build, test, upload cycle is 5 mintues [12:34] hehe [12:34] boring is good at this point of the cycle :p [12:38] doing gtksourceview in Debian [12:47] * didrocks would lilke boring [12:47] like* [12:48] you get the 13317 stuff :) [12:48] err [12:48] 31337 [12:48] *blush* [12:49] pitti: ok, that's some way of sending it :) [12:49] selling* [12:51] pitti, should all upgrades target proposed or still only the ones which would create installability issues? [12:51] seb128: I'm just always using -proposed now [12:51] ok [12:51] I just got a gnome-desktop FTBFS [12:51] as gtk3 is behind on armhf [12:51] it doesn't hurt, and keeps uninstallability away [12:52] right [12:56] tjaalton, "Just realised this patch is crap.", first time you have to deal with Bastien? ;-) [12:56] argh [12:56] c'mon gtk3, build on armel [12:56] * pitti feeds the hamsters [12:57] oh, I supposed that would be the publisher being broken [12:57] it would help if we didn't build gtk 3 times, I will suggest we drop the static build next cycle [12:57] it's built [12:57] it just doesn't publish [12:58] cf. what I said earlier about the publisher [12:58] oh, that's infinity's bug from this morning? [12:58] yeah, I've read that [13:00] seb128: yeah, well his patch isn't much better either though :) [13:00] * pitti sings the "gimme gimme gimme more" song [13:01] pitti, just gnome-desktop-schemas and gnome-settings-daemon are coming, they just got git tagged [13:01] pitti, and you got mousetweak meanwhile [13:01] doing [13:01] seb128: since we tested that approach, and '..is_screen_tablet = 0' on touchscreens [13:01] so maybe there's another bug lurking somewhere then [13:01] * didrocks doesn't need caffein thanks to the dx team ;) [13:02] tjaalton, you won the right to argue with him then, good luck ;-) [13:02] didrocks, yeah, you probably need rather some cold water and yoga moves ;-) [13:03] seb128: I'm practicing, practicing *a lot* [13:03] guns are allowed in the US, right? :p [13:03] seb128: right, thanks :) [13:05] didrocks, more so in texas than california [13:06] kenvandine: argh, what a pity! [13:06] :) [13:06] what a pity that tedg just missed my stab at texas :) [13:07] Heh, I couldn't imagine you doing something like that kenvandine. [13:07]