[04:10] was hoping if someone could provide an insight into this: [04:10] http://askubuntu.com/q/55138/45659 === LetoTheII is now known as LetoThe2nd [07:37] * apw gets his machine back together ... [07:37] apw, What did you do to it? [07:42] moin [07:46] smb, heh, put it back together after a parental visit ... [07:46] ppisati, moin [07:47] Nahesh, done [07:47] apw, Ah, so sort of putting the office back together. :) [07:47] smb, that indeed [07:47] smb, but nowadays I have so much stuff plugged into my machine I think the only empty port is the firewire one [07:48] Can see that happen. Maybe time for a docking bay. :) [07:52] smb, i wonder if this heap has one ... its pretty old so perhaps they are nice and cheap now [07:55] apw, That is one of the things, that ThinkPads seemed to be good at. At least those seemed to have an additional docking connection. Most other seem to only offer a usb attachment. [07:55] smb, yeah don't see no stinking connector on it ... sigh [08:07] * apw waits for his machine to update to the frozen archive [08:07] only 89 updates [08:08] 237 here... [08:08] ppisati, you are just not trying hard enough [08:11] curiosly just 76 on my panda... uhmm... [08:11] lots of universe installed perhaps on the 237 box [08:12] is there a name for Q yet? [08:12] diwic, not that i have seen yet no? [08:12] ok [08:12] i assume we really need to know before long though [08:12] yeah I feel so too [08:12] diwic, its normally on markshuttleworth.com when its there [08:14] diwic, While you are here and I remember... [08:14] right before i get all settled in for the day i am going to reboot into todays 'fun' [08:15] diwic, I know its probably not the main target thing... but do you know who would be interested / responsible for encoding into mp3 (from rhythmbox or other applications) [08:15] smb, who as in person or application? [08:16] smb, not understanding the question really [08:16] diwic, In person (I sort of know its done trhough gstreamer stack) [08:17] The problem I see is a) its not working correctly b) all visible ways of modifying the used gstreamer chain have gone [08:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/945987 [08:17] Launchpad bug 945987 in rhythmbox "No Settings are available in "Preferred format", only preset defaults are used" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:18] That bug report is about b) but also (without knowing so) complains about a) [08:18] * diwic reads bug [08:20] diwic, The settings dialog is purely a UI thing I guess... Not sure why it was seen as not needed anymore... The other problem seems to be that something seems wrong with the chain and I am not sure where the heck it would be found nowadays... [08:21] smb, hmm, can it export to ogg just fine, only mp3 is the problem? [08:21] diwic, Right, ogg seems ok [08:21] diwic, In essence the produced mp3 is vbr but has no xing header [08:22] So bitrate and length displayed are way off [08:22] * ppisati -> reboot [08:22] smb, ah, so it *can* export to mp3, but the result is broken? [08:22] diwic, right [08:23] And without the dialog there is no way to verify or modify the way it does the encoding [08:23] (eg. have a different quality setting) [08:24] smb, I know a few gstreamer people, but not sure if any of them are into mp3 [08:25] smb, gstreamer-devel could be a place to ask [08:25] diwic, I think a good first step would be to get the dialog working [08:25] apw, You cannot hear us anymore [08:26] apw, if your having mumble trouble, can you please pastebin me the output of "pacmd ls" [08:26] diwic, Ok, I will try it there then [08:26] diwic, i am having 'not using the damn connector that is marked selected in the g [08:26] gnome thingy' trouble at the moment [08:27] apw, IIRC the mumble audio wizard allows you to select a device there as well [08:27] apw, maybe it overrides gnome/pulseaudio's default setting? [08:28] diwic, well it didn't before the last reboot, wtf, i hate hate hate pulse [08:28] open letter to pulse "do what i say or get deinstalled" [08:29] apw, you can file a bug for it, against pulseaudio. Then I can spam you with requests to try newer versions and open bugs in upstream bug trackers. ;-) [08:29] * apw cries [08:29] apw, seriously though, I *do* want to fix it. [08:30] diwic, yep i know, and i want it to work [08:30] diwic, its just every bloody morning ... every bloody time ... its broken somehow, i hate it [08:30] diwic, what against bugness fun [08:30] diwic, and compared to the utter hideous complexity of pulse the kernel seems easy [08:31] apw, At least its not you disk or raid that is not working... [08:31] smb, heh ... at least that [08:31] diwic, pus [08:31] * apw fails to use his keybaord as well ... sigh [08:36] apw, pulseaudio is far from perfect; but we're left with two options 1) be patient and try to resolve the bugs that still are there or 2) replace it with something else. [08:36] ok, seems i've some mumble/pulse audio prob too [08:36] i can hear you [08:36] diwic, heh understood indeed... its just an ongoing torture ;) [08:36] but you can only hear my music! :) [08:36] ppisati, We only hear your music [08:37] ppisati, the output of "pacmd ls" please? [08:39] diwic: a mumble restart fixed it :) [08:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/982886 [08:39] Launchpad bug 982886 in pulseaudio "selected input in the gnome input selector is not the input that mumble uses" [Undecided,New] [08:39] diwic, ^^ [08:39] diwic: pulse didn't pick the correct input (mic vs $somethingelse) [08:40] apw, thanks [08:40] diwic, i have the 'default' selected in mumble, and its stubbonly the 'inbuilt audio' and not the usb mic [08:42] apw, hmm, maybe it has something with the "media-role:phone" that mumble identifies itself with [08:44] apw, I guess that if you run "pacmd stat" it would show the snowball mic as default source? [08:45] Default source name: alsa_input.usb-BLUE_MICROPHONE_Blue_Snowball_201111-00-Snowball.analog-stereo [08:45] diwic, ^^ [08:45] apw, yep. So the analog input is either because of an media-role override or application override. [08:46] apw, how reproducible is this? [08:47] diwic, its the first i've seen this i think, where its not possible to change it [08:48] diwic, i updated today and rebooted, from fridays archive to todays [08:48] diwic, i have tried moving mumble to the blue and that works and when i put it back to 'default' it goes back to the wrong one [08:49] apw, ah, interesting. Can you execute this command "pacmd set-log-level 4". Then switch back to 'default'. Then pastebin me "grep pulseaudio /var/log/syslog" [08:55] grep pulseaudio /var/log/syslog [08:55] diwic, http://paste.ubuntu.com/932257/ [08:58] apw, thanks. PulseAudio says "not guilty": "Apr 16 09:55:02 dm pulseaudio[2964]: [pulseaudio] module-stream-restore.c: Not restoring device for stream source-output-by-media-role:phone, because already set" [08:59] apw, let me dive into the mumble source code to see how it opens the pulseaudio device. It'll take a little while so use whatever workaround you prefer if you need audio. [09:03] diwic, ok thanks [09:05] diwic, oh and just for completeness i have restarted mumble following those being attached and made the defaults; to be in this position. plus audio output changes approriatly just fine ... i also have usb speaker fun [09:06] hi, is there some place where is explained the removal of -server flavour for 12.04? there are no technical implications? i find the release notes too brief [09:06] jorgesuarez_, there were no configuration differences which could not be done in userspace [09:06] jorgesuarez_, therefore there was no point in building two identicle binaries [09:07] so, preemption and timer interrupt can also be switched? didn't know [09:07] jorgesuarez_, no but they had the same settings [09:08] i thought based on https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/preparing-to-install.html#intro-kernel-diffs that preemption and timer interrupt were different on -server [09:08] maybe something has changed since 10.10? [09:08] that was back in 10.10 thats practically the jurassic :) [09:09] but i can't find non-jurassic docs ;) [09:09] decisions to change things like that are discussed at UDS and would be in theory at least documented in the write up of those [09:09] on the blueprints for each release since [09:10] the blueprints on launchpad, you mean? [09:10] the one and only [09:10] i'll take a look then, thanks! [09:11] (sorry, i'll be afk now but come back later) [09:34] apw, it's mumble's fault. It explicitly sets the wrong device to be used. See comment #2 in your bug for some explanation. [09:34] diwic, bad piece of junk ... did you shove it over to mumble ? [09:35] diwic, i vote for (1) so it moves correctly [09:42] * cking rummages around for some old SSD H/W [09:57] * ppisati -> reboot again [10:15] cool [10:15] so now my lcd doesn't recognize the output from my motherboard anymore [10:15] but works with my panda [10:15] i'm officialy sad now... [10:16] ppisati, since you did what, rebooted ? [10:25] apw: nope, tested a new linaro patch [10:25] apw: attached the panda to the right lcd [10:25] apw: spent some time with it (kernel hanged, paniced, etcetc) [10:26] apw: decided it was not worth it, reattached the lcd to the hdmi output of my desktop and now it doesn't sync anymore with it [10:26] but it works with another source... [10:26] uhmm [10:29] physical problem, connector perhaps [10:29] or the cable, slightly dammaged at the connector [10:35] apw: i don't have another cable to test, but connectors look good [10:48] ppisati, don't know what to think, as you didn't change th s/w on the desktop it has to be physical no ? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:52] apw: definitely, i'm already buying a cheap discrete graphics card [10:52] apw: my video output was mobo integrated (intel dvi + vga) [10:53] ppisati, how annoying [11:01] ppisati, i can see that that will work soooo well :/ [11:01] ppisati, does the vga output work on it? [11:08] yep [11:08] IMO it's the motherboard that is dying [11:09] btw, gfx card bought [11:09] you are not having the highest luck right now are you [11:09] what make did you get? nvidia/radeon/? [11:10] ati $something [11:10] 30 bucks with 3 output [11:10] vga + dvi + hdmi [11:10] anyway, i hope i get by tomorrow (but i doubt it) [11:11] going from dual to single screen sucks [11:11] and yes, it seems i don't have so much luck with video related things lately [11:11] yeah i bet it would ... i guess one day be livable, pretend one is travelling [11:14] anyway [11:14] * ppisati -> lunch [11:18] apw: remember the fsam7400 driver thing i was looking at last week? [11:18] henrix, yep [11:18] apw: the new driver does not support the bug reporter system [11:19] apw: bug #979253 [11:19] Launchpad bug 979253 in linux "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at c00fdd20" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979253 [11:19] so, i guess we still need to keep the old driver anyway [11:19] henrix, now lovely ... i think you said benh was maintaining the new driver ? [11:19] yep, he's the commiter [11:19] shall i ping him? [11:19] henrix, might be worth approaching whoever is doing that and see if you can make it support it [11:20] apw: ack, i'll try that [11:20] henrix, yeah i would indeed [11:20] apw: thanks === ayan_ is now known as ayan [12:40] herton - hi [12:41] brendand, hi [12:41] herton - any -proposed kernel news for today? [12:42] brendand, oneiric finished verification, will go today for testing, you can start testing it. Lucid we are reverting one unverified patch, packages should be in proposed tomorrow I expect [12:44] herton, which Lucid patch has failed to be verified ? [12:44] tgardner: the reverted patch was 73ae7483541a7e5e90cc4ce09a08763d86945486. [12:44] tgardner: "USB: EHCI: go back to using the system clock for QH unlinks" [12:50] henrix, I think Ming Lei broke his hand and is gonna be out for a few days. Lemme see if I can reproduce and/or verify this patch before you get too crazy. Otherwise we'll have crackheads coming out of the woodwork in a few days complaining that their USB is too slow. [12:51] tgardner, ok, the bug number: 624510, no one said anything despite several pings for testing there at least [12:53] herton, yeah, I see that. gimme an hour or so.... [12:53] sure, no problem [13:38] i guess it's beyond hope for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/956046 in precise? [13:38] Launchpad bug 956046 in linux "intel driver fails to use dual-link LVDS if lid is down at boot" [Medium,Confirmed] [13:42] desrt, is the patch referenced in the bug report merged in Linus' repo yet ? [13:43] no. it's on the to-merge-in-next-version repo [13:43] intel-drm-next iirc [13:45] desrt, it seems like it might qualify as a bug fix for the 3.4 merge window, though I haven't actually looked at the code. Have you asked upstream about it ? [13:45] upstream has taken it [13:46] the freedesktop.org bug is marked FIXED [13:46] desrt, no, I meant have you asked them to get it into the 3.4 merge window ? [13:46] oh. i have no idea. [13:46] * desrt has no idea how the kernel works [13:47] desrt, you don't necessarily have to know how it works. just ask them to merge that specific patch because it fixes your problem. you never know, they might listen. [13:48] i'd guess that drm-intel-next is what will go into the next release? [13:48] yep, 3.5 [13:48] tgardner: so i think it's already slated to be merged (along with a bunch of other things) [13:48] ah [13:48] which is months away yet [13:48] so you mean a 3.4.x stable release [13:48] desrt, 3.4 isn't in the can, so it could still make it as a bug fix [13:49] i guess i can ping on the freedesktop bug... [13:49] desrt, right [13:49] okay. done [13:49] how does that affect ubuntu? aren't we on 3.2? [13:50] desrt, our policy is that we typically only pull fixes from upstream, either 3.2 stable or Linus' repo. [13:50] gotcha [13:51] so if they're willing to land it on a stable branch then you'll take it [13:51] desrt, correct, but it _first_ has to get merged in Lunus' repo [13:51] Linus* [13:53] tgardner: speaking of 3.4, I've rebased q to 3.4-rc3, just gonna do a test build and boot then push [13:53] ogasawara, ack [14:10] RAOF, Sarvatt ^^ any thoughts on the dual-lane stuff above ? [14:13] * apw may be unreliable for a bit, some network reconfigs about to get to t [14:13] to the 'oh crap' stage [14:15] * henrix can't find out how to add a release note task to a bug [14:15] henrix, i am sure i know [14:15] henrix, give me the bug # and i'll use it to remember ;) [14:15] apw: yeah, i guess i just need to add the bug to the "Release Notes for Ubuntu" proj [14:15] apw: but can't figure it out how :( [14:15] yeah its something like that indeed [14:15] apw: the bug is 979253 [14:16] throw me the number and i'll figure it out and let you know :) [14:16] thanks [14:16] bug #979253 [14:16] Launchpad bug 979253 in linux "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at c00fdd20" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979253 [14:16] btw, benh replied. no plans of adding support in the amilo-rfkill [14:16] i may give it a try [14:17] henrix, ok its 'also affects project', then near the top '(Choose another project)' and then ubuntu-release-notes [14:18] henrix, if you want to write some proposed words you can add them in the top of the description [14:18] apw: i've looked at that, but then it asks for an URL [14:18] seemed to work for me, it has a box for a url but higher up you can change the thing from linux to something else and it goes away [14:18] the 'Choose another project' thing [14:18] henrix, anyhow its on there now [14:19] apw: ah, got it! haven't seen the "choose another project" thing [14:19] apw: thanks, i'll add a small description to that [14:22] henrix, put like "Release Notes:" at the top of the description bit, so it is nice and obvious [14:27] apw: ack [14:43] * ogasawara back in 20 [14:53] tgardner: any luck reproducing the lucid bug? [14:55] henrix, I have not observed the original bug to the extreme taht some of the reports have. dd times for a 4.6GB iso went from 18:57 to 18:42. [14:55] so, at least it didn't regress. [14:55] tgardner: you tried with or without the patch? [14:56] henrix, both. I'll add the info top the bug [14:56] to* [14:56] tgardner: ok. so i guess we can just revert it, right? [14:57] henrix, actually, I think we should leave it in for now. its not regressing as far as I can tell, plus it might help the folks that have affected HW [14:57] tgardner: ok, thanks. let me just ping bjf [14:57] henrix, i'm watching [14:58] lurking [14:58] bjf: yeah, i though so. just referred you name to make sure you would get the notifications :) [14:59] henrix, bjf: one thing I should do is rerun with the generic kernel since I think it uses a different I/O scheduler in lucid. [14:59] tgardner: ack, i'm going to stare at the code a bit [15:03] henrix, started the ISO copy with -generic. will let you know the outcome in 20 mins or so. [15:04] tgardner: ok, thanks [15:10] tgardner, henrix, this same patch has been in Oneiric since 3.0.0-8.10 (Aug. 5) [15:31] * apw might be sorta back [15:57] henrix, bjf: bug #624510 marked verification-done-lucid. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/624510/comments/64 [15:57] Launchpad bug 624510 in linux "Copying To USB Is Very Slow" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624510 [15:57] Launchpad bug 624510 in linux "Copying To USB Is Very Slow" [Undecided,Fix committed] [15:57] tgardner: ack [16:11] tgardner, any idea what 'tx aggregation enabled on ra = xxx:xxx:xxx:' means? this is from an iwlwifi [16:12] apw, I think is 'high throughput' aggregating packats. [16:12] t [16:12] tgardner, i am unsure if i am any the wiser [16:13] apw, it seems like its just an informational blurb [16:14] apw, it means acking a block of packets rather than each individual packet [16:14] sforshee, oh so reducing the slots on the channel for ack use, interesting [16:14] sforshee, what does it say when it aggregates multiple PDUs into one ? [16:16] tgardner, who is "it"? iwlwifi? [16:16] sforshee, that, or the mac802.1 stack. is there any indication that HT mode is in effect ? [16:17] tgardner, I don't know that there's anything in dmesg, but I think you can query with iw [16:27] apw, anymore feedback on your __ticket_spin_lock patch set ? [16:36] tgardner, looks like henrix has also successfully tested it, so i'll ship 'em to the list so you can all weep [16:37] apw, ack === albrigha is now known as Guest63515 === tgardner is now known as tgardner-lunch === emma is now known as em [18:35] * apw recons on getting fed ... see you tommorrow === tgardner-lunch is now known as tgardner [19:40] ogasawara, how do we target a bug for release noting ? See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/969304/comments/29 [19:40] Launchpad bug 969304 in linux-firmware "Regression: Missing Firmware Files phanfw.bin and nx3fwct.bin (precise 12.04 beta)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [19:40] tgardner: nominate for precise and milestone for 12.04 final [19:40] ogasawara, but its really an invalid bug [19:40] the fix is to update the NIC BIOS [19:41] I wanna make the solution gets in the release notes [19:41] tgardner: ah, there's a release notes team, lemme see if I can remember it [19:41] ogasawara, apw was teaching henrix how to do it just this AM, but I wan't paying close attaention [19:44] ogasawara, maybe skaet knows off-hand how to do it [19:45] ogasawara: just pick the "also affects project" [19:45] henrix: and then I thought it was ubuntu-release-notes? [19:45] ogasawara: yep, just "choose another project" [19:45] ogasawara: and use the ubuntu-release-notes [19:46] henrix: ah, thanks. I was clicking "also affect distribution" [19:46] ogasawara: yeah, i spent some time trying to figure out how to do it [19:46] ogasawara: at the end apw did it for me :) [19:47] tgardner: ok, should be added [19:47] seems odd that it's not a subset of the Ubuntu project, but oh well [19:48] ogasawara, hmm, so I should just add something to the comment block ? [19:48] tgardner: I usually update the bug description to contain the release notes text [19:49] ogasawara, k, will do [20:03] jsalisbury, looks like bug #908279 has a good reproducer and known good/bad kernel versions. since it appears to be a Precise regression, would you care to work with the reporter to bisect the kernel ? [20:03] Launchpad bug 908279 in linux-lts-backport-oneiric "vm.dirty_bytes should be set to something sane" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/908279 [20:03] tgardner, sure thing [20:03] jsalisbury, wrong bug, see bug #980279 [20:03] Launchpad bug 980279 in linux "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#5 stuck for 22s! [xfce4-sensors-p:1873]; EIP is at generic_exec_single+0x66/0x80" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980279 [20:04] * tgardner -> EOD [20:04] tgardner, that is the same bug :-) [20:05] tgardner, oops, nevermind [20:28] jsalisbury: hey so you responded before I was able to report, but the last test kernel was working and only bailed on me last night, it just took way longer than usual. [20:29] jcastro, ahh, ok. thanks for the update. I'll see if I can bisect further. [20:29] ok should I try running the vanilla kernel like you asked? [20:30] jcastro, it wouldn't hurt to test the lastest precise kernel === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf === thomi_ is now known as thomi [21:58] ogasawara: did pgraner get anywhere on that kernel hang he was getting on friday ? [22:21] hmm i can only modinfo vesafb on i386, not amd64 [22:22] Sarvatt, that makes sense i think ... is vesa valid on 64bit ? [22:25] Sarvatt, actually, i can do it on my 64bit system [22:26] so just something borked on this one machine, sorry for the noise, thought it might explain why i get text splashes for the past few releases with the blobs :) === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [23:07] would someone be able to roll a kernel build of http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~danvet/drm-intel/?h=drm-intel-next-queued? [23:07] (I also emailed apw that this is apparently the new drm-intel-* branch of the month, that would be worth auto-building)