[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[06:41] <geser> good morning
[06:46] <dholbach> hi geser
[11:41] <bobweaver> Hello there again. I have a question about debhelper mostly about dh_installdirs   I have been reading the man pages for all the deb helper commands. My question has to do with the -A or --all options will this look at the source directory and recursively take all them and put under the package dir ? if not is there a tool that does that ? sorry if I missed it in the guide. Thanks for your time
[11:51] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: I don't quite follow your question
[11:51] <tumbleweed> dh_installdirs -A /foo would create /foo in all the binary packages being built
[11:53] <bobweaver> It is ok I just schooled on debian-mentors  arghh so hard to learn when every one is like this is not for debian and you are like I am on debian and making this for a debian system and I just want to learn and pop gopes bobweavers head
[11:56] <bobweaver> I guess that I am getting upstream and packaging confused. what ever that means just wanted to know if I could take the source folder look into and copy all the files and dirs into the correct place where they are going to need to be put for end user kinda like this http://paste.debian.net/163394/    but if I have to do that with a large project then I am going to get these vars mixed up there has to be a better way.
[12:12] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: Still having a hard time understanding you, but it sounds like you want to use DESTDIR http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/DESTDIR.html
[12:16] <bobweaver> I have a project that I am working on here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/zpanelcp/zpanelcp/files    see how I have all the dirs ? they need to me mirrored on to the end users system. Now I spent 2 days working on a great installer script but is is not for apt uses dialog and wget and is a mess so I thought that I would try a go at packaging. As the owner of the software is going to give up on making *nix versions because th
[12:16] <bobweaver> ey have no .debs or ppa or .rpm's and are all php and net guys. so I took on the load.
[12:18] <bobweaver> but do I have to call each varible file but a varible that is going to be over 6000 varibles so if I could say recursivly some how do that in the rules file then that would be great because I would not need 6000 variables
[12:19] <bobweaver> I will amke video of my question
[12:20] <tumbleweed> I suggest looking at other packages so you can see how things are usually done
[12:34] <Daviey> Laney / ScottK: I know of a couple, yes.. wassup?
[12:36] <ScottK> Daviey: There's some unfixed CVEs in our package and if you look at about the time we pinged you there's a proposed branch that needs review/testing.
[12:37] <Daviey> ScottK: I don't think i have cap city to tst it before release TBH.  I think it would be better targeted as a -security upload.. Sound fair?
[12:37] <Daviey> capacity*
[12:39] <ScottK> I see. Unfortunately the patches weren't security only.
[12:40] <Laney> jtaylor had a branch, but I'm not sure what it was for
[12:41] <ScottK> That's the one.
[12:42] <Laney> OK, it's to merge 1.8.10.1 from testing
[12:42] <bobweaver> My question  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYgwJVmn2Y
[12:44] <Daviey> Laney / ScottK: Okay.. i can try and take it.. but i can't guarantee..   Currently travelling
[12:45] <Laney> Daviey: Our version is pretty old, but I don't know anything about asterisk to know if the new one is any better. The fact that it contains those security fixes makes me keen though.
[12:46] <Laney> I'd probably be inclined to sneak it in if someone that knows asterisk gives the nod
[12:48] <Daviey> Laney: Yeah.. generally, we don't tend to regress in merges.. So it feels reasonably safe.. but i'd like to sniff it first.
[12:48] <Laney> righto
[12:48] <bregma> bobweaver, like they said on debian-mentors, you want to be able to take you "upstream source", which is what you have in bzr, and be able to install that on an end-user's system in a configurable manner regardles of packaging
[12:49] <bregma> bobweaver, then the packaging uses that to install the software from a package
[12:49] <Daviey> upstream also has their own LTS versions aswell.. so i'd like to dig through versoning to make sure we aren't going from upstream LTS to interim releae.
[12:49] <bregma> bobweaver, the autotools may be overkill, read up on how to use a makefile
[12:53] <bobweaver> Thanks bregma  I will do that.thansk again for your time.
[13:00] <bregma> bobweaver, your goal will be to be able to type 'make install' from a copy of your bzr repo and have the files end up on your system in the right places -- then your debian/rules file will consist of two lines (%:\n\tdh $@) because dh knows how to run 'make install' with the right settings
[13:02] <bregma> plus, debian/rules is normally actually a makefile, so you learn two things at once
[13:02] <bobweaver> I guess I have to learn how to make a makefile.
[13:06] <spartan-11510> Hello. I need some help to package an application using gtkmm, i don't know how write my makefile (how rules) and my config.sh
[16:08] <pabelanger> Asked this in ubuntu server but no answer, anybody know which package creates the mini.iso for netboots?
[16:15] <ogra_> debian-installer together with debian-cd
[16:15] <ogra_> (teh first creates the kernel and initrd.img files, the latter merges them into the iso)
[17:04] <pabelanger> ogra_: great, thanks
[19:22] <Streamstormer> Hello, I want to build mysql-workbench 5.2.38+dfsg-3 from Debian with pbuilder
[19:22] <Streamstormer> but pbuilder fails horrible with unmet dependencies: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/932988/
[19:23] <Streamstormer> can somebody give me a hint what package the problem is?
[19:23] <tumbleweed> pbuilder has particularly unhelpful dependancy errors
[19:24] <Streamstormer> and what programm can i use t make the errors better? ;)
[19:24] <tumbleweed> sbuild :)
[19:24] <tumbleweed> tried logging into the pbuilder and installing them by hand?
[19:25] <Streamstormer> no
[19:25] <tumbleweed> I seem to remember someone (jtaylor?) saying pbuilder's alternative dependancy installer gave better errors
[19:25] <Streamstormer> I will first try sbuild
[20:44] <micahg> mr_pouit: gilir: I'm thinking to skip the blueman merge for the RC bug, as it just adds a dependency for gnome-icon-theme, WDYT?
[20:46] <micahg> mr_pouit: gilir: forgot to mention, that package is already seeded for both lubuntu and xubuntu
[21:11] <bobweaver> hello there how does one put a picture to there .deb fo like ubuntu software center. I am guessing that it is somewhere under the control file but I have googled it for the last 2 hr and gotten no-where thanks for your time
[21:12] <Zhenech> it uses screenshot.debian.net
[21:19] <JanC> which is somewhat unintuitive...   :P
[21:22] <Zhenech> send a patch?
[21:30] <bobweaver> Thanks Zhenech
[21:33] <bobweaver> why this stuff is not in the packaging guide is past me. also spent 5 hr last night trying to figure out why I could not use apt in my .deb. The 1st line of the documention might be good too say "if you do not have a reposotry then you can not use apt in your .deb because dpkg will get stuck in a loop. N00b mistake but 3 lines of documentation about common sence would be real nice
[21:35] <bobweaver> Instead of 5 hrs of reasearch and getting ridaculed byt debian-mentors *I guess they and every one else knew that sence birth *
[21:39] <bobweaver> I feel like forest gump when he gets on the bus and evryone is like cant sit here. more like on debian-mentors (which I thought was a good idea at 1st) Can LEARN here . Where is my jenny lol :>)
[23:00] <bobweaver> how do I get pass the difference between a makefile under rules and a make file that is called from rules? and how to get the upsource into the make file when end usr dont have upsource ? wget ?
[23:07] <Laney> bobweaver: I just read the interaction you're referring to from #debian-mentors and I don't see why you're so upset I'm afraid. It looks like you got appropriate and polite help ...
[23:07] <Laney> also:
[23:07] <Laney> 16/04 13:09:41 -!- bobweaver [~joseph@173-86-139-34.dsl1-field.roch.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[23:07] <Laney> 16/04 13:10:18 <pabs> don't be frustrated, just keep reading documentation and stick around :)
[23:09] <bobweaver> Laney,  thanks maybe I am over sensitive
[23:10] <bobweaver> frustrated is a under statement. It was when guy/gir/whatever was like this has nothign to do with debian
[23:12] <Laney> He was telling you that there is a separation between the upstream build system and the Debian build system.
[23:13] <bobweaver> Oh anit I blue in the face.
[23:13] <Laney> and that you should get the upstream build system working properly first, because that will make your Debian packaging easier.
[23:13] <bobweaver> Oh I have that in a bassh file
[23:13] <bobweaver> like 3 of them
[23:13] <bobweaver> I do not know how to implant
[23:13] <Laney> "this is not directly related to Debian" means that you need an upstream build system anyway, even in the absence of any packaging :-)
[23:14]  * Laney is going to bed, goodnight
[23:14] <bobweaver> how to implant http://paste.ubuntu.com/933270/
[23:15] <bobweaver> into makefile ?
[23:21] <bobweaver> Like I  try to make that as postinst and works but not the way I want it to. I can install no troubles here is the thing lets zpanel works on over 8 OS bsd *nix windows and mac I have made instalation but we have no repo so If I make deb then I can put up and we can update are code. like take centos when made zpanel 6 it was 5.4 centos or something like that. 4 weeks later install script not working because it is now 6.0 time frame is wron
[23:21] <bobweaver> g up. So there is a debate is we are even going to keep it around for *nix as the head dev went public saying that we will no longer offer installerscript and that the community has to provide. So I thought that I was on the right path I just do not know how to implat my bash files into the debian package
[23:37] <jtaylor> anyone working on getting the gajim fixes?those look quite severe
[23:37] <jtaylor> dsa 2453-1
[23:55] <cjwatson> pabelanger: for the record the mini.iso (as opposed to full ISO images, which I think is what ogra_ was thinking of) is created exclusively by debian-installer; debian-cd isn't involved there
[23:57] <cjwatson> bobweaver: I doubt that you can transplant your bash script directly into a Makefile.  You need to trim it down massively, and consider which parts of it need to be run to build the tree of files that go into a package and which parts (if any; many packages have no parts like this) need to be run on the user's system when they install your package
[23:58] <cjwatson> Once you've firmly separated those two concepts, it will probably be easier
[23:58] <cjwatson> I expect much of your script can be replaced by simple dependencie
[23:58] <cjwatson> *dependencies
[23:59] <bobweaver> Thnks cjwatson get rid of the dialog boxs and all the functions and bashrc ect then make sure that the control file has all depends and put timed bash into posstinst ??