[01:56] <ChmEarl> lsb-release for precise still says devel branch?
[04:14] <ruben23> guys i have an directory with files agc now some updated came to some files on another server ubuntu..how do i copy only the updated one on teh same folder..? just add the update not copy whole again
[04:15] <ruben23> same direcotry name agc but the pther one si more updated
[04:42] <twb> ruben23: I didn't understand your question.
[04:42] <twb> ruben23: but I guess you want rsync, or something else that uses the rsync algorithm (e.g. unison).
[08:25] <lynxman> morning o/
[08:31] <koolhead17> hi lynxman
[08:31] <lynxman> koolhead17: hello!
[08:32] <koolhead17> lynxman, how are things? are u attending ODS
[08:36] <lynxman> koolhead17: won't be at ODS this time :)
[08:37] <koolhead17> lynxman, always next time. :) But you will be at UDS siir!!
[11:36] <Atlantic777> Hey, any problems with installing ubuntu server from flash prepared with unetbootin?
[11:37] <Atlantic777> I always get error msg that there's no a valid ubuntu cd-rom.
[13:51] <PedroGomes> Hi, did anyone here tried to install 2 different versions of Ubuntu in the same disc trough PXE/preseed?
[13:52] <PedroGomes> I'm tired of searching/trying preseed templates with no success
[14:13] <hallyn> stgraber: now, bc lxc is seeded it's subject to final freeze right?  we have to wait for q for patches even though it's in universe?
[14:15] <stgraber> hallyn: it's affected by final freeze yes, doesn't meant we won't let it in though. If we (as in ubuntu-release / edubuntu-dev) consider the changes as being low-risk and useful to have in the released media, your package may well be accepted
[14:25] <hallyn> stgraber: hm, ok.  the ubuntu-cloud change seems worth trying.
[14:36] <WuxiIxuw> Hello
[14:37] <WuxiIxuw> Please I'd like to know how exactly to secure the VPS using ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[14:40] <WuxiIxuw> please where can I find a guide in the website
[14:40] <WuxiIxuw> it is a vps server
[15:23] <hallyn> hm, redefining a defined domain with 'virsh define' doesn't raise an error.  did it use to?
[15:24] <hallyn> and now it does.  maybe it's in my head
[15:25] <hallyn> oh, I think it acts differently if you specify a uuid
[16:04] <barduck> does anyone have any pointers about moving a software RAID array + LVM to a new Ubuntu install (OS on separate disk) ?
[16:08] <konradb> hi is it possible to restore /usr/share/locale? :x
[16:15] <henkjan> bah, missing iso-8859-1 locales on new server installs :(
[16:17]  * ogra_ doesnt think ubuntu ever used iso-8859-1
[16:17] <henkjan> but they could be generated
[16:18] <ogra_> sure, just generate them with locale-gen
[16:18] <henkjan> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man3/setlocale.3.html
[16:18] <henkjan> Linux  (that  is, glibc) supports the portable locales "C" and "POSIX". In the good old days there used to be support for the European  Latin-1 "ISO-8859-1"  locale  (e.g.,  in  libc-4.5.21 and libc-4.6.27), and the Russian  "KOI-8"  (more   precisely,   "koi-8r")   locale   (e.g.,   in libc-4.6.27),     so    that    having    an    environment    variable
[16:18] <henkjan>  LC_CTYPE=IS-8859-1  sufficed  to  make  ispIrint(3)  return  the  right answer.   These  days non-English speaking Europeans have to work a bit harder, and must install actual locale files.
[16:19] <ogra_> no
[16:19] <ogra_> locale-gen de_DE.iso-8859-1
[16:19] <ogra_> that will generate german locales
[16:19] <ogra_> with the awful iso set
[16:20] <ogra_> any reason to live in teh past and not use utf-8 ?
[16:21] <henkjan> customer scripts interfacing with an oracle-db
[16:21] <henkjan> and data in that locale
[16:21] <ogra_> and oracle is 20 years behind still ?
[16:21] <ogra_> oh my
[16:21] <henkjan> history data i suppose
[16:38] <hallyn> lifeless: hey, just curious, were you just playing with lxc-execute, or do you plan to use it?
[16:38] <hallyn> because lxc-execute doesn't quite do what i think most ppl think it does, and it's fragile, so i like to advise against it when i can :)
[16:39] <hallyn> ust yours
[16:39] <hallyn> (prepend j, append to a sentence i pasted in another chan :)
[16:48] <desperado> hey
[16:48] <desperado> is anybody available to give some help
[16:48] <desperado> ?
[16:49] <desperado> I`m trying to setup a new ubuntu server which my run a virtualized windowsXP
[16:49] <desperado> using KVM with LVM
[16:49] <desperado> but I got some issues on windows installer
[16:50] <desperado> also, is there a good idea to virtualize another ubuntu with services (LAMP/ samba)?
[16:57] <lifeless> hallyn: I have/had a crazy idea about distributed builds that needs to run stuff on an isolated fs but can share most everything else
[17:01] <jcastro> robbiew: can you accept this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-servercloud-q-mysql-utilities
[17:01] <jcastro> I'd like to get all the mysql content on the schedule asap and not moving around
[17:01] <robbiew> jcastro: I could...but arosales should ;)
[17:02] <jcastro> robbiew: oh, I see
[17:02] <jcastro> arosales: ^^^
[17:02] <robbiew> jcastro: unless he doesn't have the power to
[17:02] <robbiew> (and he should)
[17:02] <jcastro> he should
[17:02] <robbiew> arosales: to accept, click on the link under "Sprints" next to uds-q
[17:03] <robbiew> jcastro: screw it...I'll do it
[17:03] <jcastro> I can wait!
[17:04] <robbiew> jcastro: meh...done
[17:04] <jcastro> heh
[17:04] <robbiew> jcastro: I need to properly walk arosales through the blueprint stuff anyway...but that can wait next week
[17:04]  * jcastro nods.
[17:04]  * robbiew is hell bent on dumping that joy on arosales and Daviey ;)
[17:05] <jcastro> we just need to doublecheck that all MySQL important things are on Tuesday
[17:05] <jcastro> that's like the magic day everyone will be there
[17:05] <robbiew> that's also the Ubuntu Cloud day...ugh
[17:05]  * robbiew is glad he leaves Tuesday night
[17:05]  * desperado is desperated
[17:06] <desperado> jcastro robbiew do any of you know something about virtualization on ubuntu server?
[17:06] <jcastro> I know we have it
[17:07] <desperado> yeah, but I got some issues and doubts =/
[17:07] <resno> can anyone recommend some monitoring tools?
[17:07] <jcastro> desperado: a good portion of the team is travelling, and everyone will be gone to UDS soon so you might want to punt to the mailing list.
[17:07] <patdk-wk> resno, mirroring what?
[17:07] <resno> i want to keep an eye on the servers cpu and stuff
[17:07] <patdk-wk> oh, monitoring, heh, read fail :)
[17:07] <resno> monitorx was one i heard about... maybe monit and munin
[17:08] <resno> patdk-wk: :-)
[17:08] <robbiew> desperado: hallyn is your man ;)
[17:08] <resno> patdk-wk: i mispelled first
[17:08] <desperado> alright
[17:08] <patdk-wk> I personally use munin
[17:08] <robbiew> desperado: smoser is good too, but he's in and out b/c he's at OpenStack Dev Summit
[17:09] <resno> patdk-wk: i just found it worked the cpu a bit more then i liked
[17:09] <robbiew> desperado: oh, and kirkland...but he's got his hands full with a baby :)
[17:09] <patdk-wk> resno, than configure it differently :)
[17:09] <resno> heh
[17:09] <patdk-wk> I'm monitoring 20-50 items per server, and 50 servers
[17:09] <patdk-wk> not even using 10% cpu
[17:10] <resno> patdk-wk: ive got limited cpu power...
[17:10] <patdk-wk> if you have limited cpu, you can't monitor
[17:10] <desperado> robbiew: my boss asked me to set up a ubuntu server and virtualize a windows XP within it
[17:11] <patdk-wk> if it's a single server only your monitoring, use sar?
[17:11] <desperado> this ubuntu server should run LAMP and SMB
[17:11] <patdk-wk> still find it funny if your munin install is using >100mhz cpu
[17:11] <resno> sar?
[17:11] <desperado> is it a good idea to virtualize another ubuntu server to run these services?
[17:11] <robbiew> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[17:12] <resno> patdk-wk: no, its not that limited... but there are times were it gets under load and theres a wait
[17:12] <desperado> I`m running oneiric ocelot
[17:12] <robbiew> jcastro: will probably kill me for not having an askubuntu.com link
[17:12] <jcastro> :)
[17:13] <robbiew> desperado: it all depends on the configuration and capacity of the server, tbh
[17:13] <desperado> it`s a i5-2400 with 16gb ddr3 and 2x 2tb
[17:13] <desperado> raid1
[17:13] <desperado> a nice machine
[17:14] <hallyn> desperado: from what i see looking at the backlog, i don't see any problems, 'Just do it'
[17:14] <robbiew> yep
[17:14] <robbiew> what hallyn says
[17:14] <desperado> I just tried installing windows xp through vnc this morning
[17:15] <hallyn> desperado: and see https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/virtualization.html
[17:15] <desperado> but it came up with a setup error I never saw before
[17:16] <desperado> I found several tutorials on how doing it
[17:16] <desperado> but none seemed to work properly
[17:16] <desperado> (or maybe it`s just me being too dumb to follow some setps)
[17:16] <hallyn> desperado: fwiw I don't use windows anywhere for anything, but ocne in awhile I do install it just to test, and haven't had trouble.
[17:16] <hallyn> desperado: please do open a bug, that's probalby the best way to get the info needed to figure it out
[17:17] <desperado> I made a windows sp2 bootable iso
[17:17] <hallyn> uh, hm :)  maybe ahs3 can help you :)
[17:17] <hallyn> he does funky stuff with windows like that sometimes :)
[17:18] <desperado> it started the vm, booted up and installed windows via dos. when it rebooted to config, an error dialog showed up
[17:19] <hallyn> desperado: and if you open a bug, you can paste a screenshot/picture of the error dialog :)
[17:19] <desperado> first I had trouble connecting to it through vnc to set up windows installer
[17:19] <desperado> then i installed kde and connected to it locally
[17:20] <hallyn> ok, so the server is remote and doesn't have x?  (i.e. you couldn't do it logged in locally over SDL)?
[17:20] <ahs3> desperado: yeah, a bug would be good -- i install a couple of versions of Windows via virt-manager all the time.  the only bugs i find that way are in Windows
[17:22] <desperado> yeah, it`s a ubuntu server text-only
[17:24] <hallyn> desperado: do you know how to file a bug?
[17:25] <desperado> nope
[17:26] <desperado> i think the response time will be too high for me
[17:26] <desperado> It is supposed to be already done
[17:26] <ahs3> which windows are you installing?  win7?  win2008r2?
[17:26] <desperado> I`m struggling with it since friday
[17:26] <desperado> winXP
[17:27]  * arosales reading backscroll for mysql server blueprint util
[17:27] <desperado> is there any way to give you access to connect and check it?
[17:27] <ahs3> hrm.  haven't tried that one in a long time.  who produces the error?  windows?
[17:28] <desperado> yea, windows show up an error dialog
[17:28] <desperado> sorry, I didn`t take note
[17:28] <desperado> :/
[17:28] <arosales> robbiew: thanks for approving the MySQL util blueprint
[17:28] <desperado> but it`s a weird error, I never saw it
[17:28] <ahs3> ah, okay.  was it a message about it not shutting down correctly?  so it has to come back up in safe mode?
[17:28] <hallyn> desperado: did you delete it?  can you just restart it and see if you get the error again?
[17:29] <desperado> oh... I already started a fresh ubuntu install
[17:29] <desperado> X/
[17:29] <desperado> starting over again
[17:29] <desperado> since friday I installed several packages
[17:30] <desperado> and I decided to fresh install it rather than cleaning up
[17:30] <desperado> since nothing was done yet
[17:30] <ahs3> there are some cases in other versions of Windows where Windows itself crashes (good ol' BSOD) on shutdown so you get errors on start-up.
[17:31] <arosales> jcastro: any other actions needed for the MySQL blueprints?
[17:31] <ahs3> but, i've only seen those happen with the paravirtual drivers, not win-native drivers
[17:31] <desperado> ahs3: that was not the case, it installed successfully and rebooted normally
[17:32] <jcastro> arosales: I think just doublechecking them on the schedule next week or so should work?
[17:32] <desperado> then, during configuration process it showed up an error dialog
[17:32] <ahs3> desperado: k.  so something entirely different.  good; that rules out that path
[17:32] <jcastro> arosales: the Oracle folks are new to UDS, maybe doublechecking they understand when the sessions are as a precaution?
[17:33] <desperado> ahs3: I`ll start it all over again right now
[17:33] <desperado> which tutorial should I follow?
[17:33] <arosales> jcastro: will it be showing up here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/track/cloudserver/
[17:33] <desperado> I`ll do it using KVM and LVM
[17:33] <arosales> shortly?
[17:33] <desperado> ahs3:
[17:34] <jcastro> arosales: the scheduler can be dumb sometimes, I check each day individually: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/2012-05-08/
[17:35] <arosales> jcastro: ah ok. I'll follow up with the Oracle folks to confirm they are aware of the time slots.  Thanks for the help on the scheduling.
[18:04] <hallyn> Daviey: roaxsoax: re bug 981728, does orchestra auto-install dnsmasq?
[19:00] <wlan2> ohaio minna~
[19:01] <wlan2> I did something very unuseful...
[19:01] <wlan2> I installed webmin
[19:02] <wlan2> Webmin broke something at my apache configuration but I do not know what
[19:04] <wlan2> what can I do?
[19:07] <patdk-wk> don't use webmin?
[19:08] <wlan2> Yes, but I need a way to repair what webmin did
[19:09] <wlan2> even if webmin is uninstalled, apache2 configuration will continue broken
[19:10] <wlan2> I had it configured with virtual servers
[19:11] <wlan2> But wembin did something ugly causing all requests going to default and default-ssl
[19:11] <guntbert> wlan2: if I remember correctly webmin keeps rather good logs about what it does, try to find them
[19:29] <RoyK> !webmin
[19:30] <guntbert> RoyK: yes, we know that - he tries to recover from webminitis :-)
[19:32] <RoyK> best way is to restore from backup ...
[19:32] <RoyK> less hassle
[19:32] <RoyK> and I guess best answer to that is "what backup?"
[19:32] <wlan2> Last backup dates from 2011
[19:33] <wlan2> Well
[19:33] <wlan2> Itv seems I'ts gonna be
[19:33] <RoyK> why oh why don't we have more developers focusing on btrfs?
[19:33] <resno> i use samba for streaming and it recently keeps causing issues with the cline
[19:33] <wlan2> An awful lot of nano to do
[19:34]  * RoyK is extremely happy with snapshots in zfs
[19:34] <resno> not you aagain :) RoyK
[19:34] <RoyK> oh yeah ;)
[19:42] <halvors> Hi
[19:42] <koolhead17> hi
[19:42] <halvors> I'm currently running ubuntu server with webmin.
[19:42] <halvors> I think that's not recommended.
[19:43] <halvors> So is there any simular solutions for hosting simple domains?
[19:43] <halvors> And using virtualmin too.
[19:43] <guntbert> !webmin | halvors
[19:44] <halvors> guntbert: I know.
[19:45] <halvors> guntbert: I was asking that it's something similar with support for ubuntu i may use instead?
[19:45] <guntbert> halvors: sorry, I didn't *really* read your question
[19:45] <halvors> guntbert: Ok ;)
[19:46] <wlan2> ¿openpanel?
[19:46] <guntbert> halvors: some will tell you about ebox - I tried it once and dropped it almost immediately
[19:46] <resno> is nfs faster then samba for streaming video, etc?
[19:46] <wlan2> resno, if you really want streaming, why not http?
[19:47] <resno> wlan2: streaming to a client... xbmc
[19:50] <halvors> Anything that actually is in ubuntu ppa?
[19:57] <wlan2> can someone remember me how to purge the configuration and set it to default?
[20:05] <locuse> hi.  i need to deploy -- well actually, rebuild -- a xen server. i've been on opensuse, but can no longer deal with the lack of support.  sooooo,  seriously considering ubuntu-server.  iiuc, precise will (?) ship with xen-tools 4.2.1, which led me to suspect/hope xen itself will be v 4.2.1.  but, poking around on packages.ubuntu.com, i'm finding only xen 4.1.x listed for precise.
[20:05] <locuse> can anyone clarify what version of xen will actually 'officially' ship with precise?
[20:21] <hallyn> locuse: zul or smb most likely can answer that
[20:22] <locuse> hallyn: thx.  as they've been pinged now,  i'll wait a bit ...
[20:22] <hallyn> locuse: unfortunately zul is at openstack summit, so it might take a bit for him to see it, but yup
[20:31] <adac> how to install sun-java6-jdk in 10.04 LTS ?
[20:36] <Patrickdk> adac: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javasebusiness/downloads/java-archive-downloads-javase6-419409.html#jdk-6u30-oth-JPR
[20:38] <adac> Patrickdk, they do not even have a .deb
[20:38] <adac> :(
[20:38] <Patrickdk> they have a .bin :)
[20:39] <Patrickdk> adac, ask oracle to not buy sun? several years ago
[20:42] <adac> Oracle is evil
[20:43] <Nafallo> but they make good hats.
[20:43] <Nafallo> oh. no. that wasn't them, was it...
[20:43] <adac> they even support CISPA
[20:43] <adac> Nafallo, hehe
[21:43] <robbiew> SpamapS: I'm thinking we might need a btrfs session for 12.10, in regards to our desire to use/push ceph more...thoughts?
[21:49] <jamiemill> Hi. Having trouble with a monit setup. When I try to terminate my processes, they are stuck in a 'stop pending' state. Here is config - any idea why? https://gist.github.com/b9fc0d12986eeed18a87
[22:19] <SpamapS> robbiew: So, I think we should have a btrfs session and gather everybody interested to talk about it. Seems like it is mostly kernel team's domain, but we want to be consumers..
[22:19] <SpamapS> robbiew: It should be worth noting that CEPH works fine on XFS, and Sage seemed to suggest that in the 12.04 kernel, it would be better to use XFS than BTRFS
[22:20] <robbiew> SpamapS: I'd say foundations
[22:20] <SpamapS> robbiew: I suppose.. filesystems are always tricky in that regard. :)
[22:22] <robbiew> ;)
[22:22] <robbiew> SpamapS: do we support XFS on ubuntu?
[22:27] <hallyn> robbiew: fwiw i until a few weeks ago i used xfs exclusively on my laptop, worked great.  (ext4 failed me in lucid..natty)
[22:28] <SpamapS> robbiew: I believe we do yes
[22:28] <robbiew> okay
[22:29] <robbiew> doesn't matter for 12.10 though, right?
[22:29] <robbiew> I mean, the ceph folks preach btrfs all the time, no?
[22:29] <locuse> if i deploy a 'prerelease' precise-server install now, will it have access to precise repos now, and (eventually) migrate smoothly to the full version?
[22:34] <locuse> asking as, iiuc, 12LTS release is 'soon'.  or, it it recommended to deploy a full release now (11.10, or 10LTS) and do a version upgrade at 12LTS release?
[22:35] <Nafallo> locuse: I'd do the latest daily...
[22:35] <Nafallo> locuse: it will say it's a development system for a week or two still, but who cares...
[22:36] <locuse> Nafallo: so the 12-prelease route ... are all the 12 repos accessible?  in opensuse-land, that's not always the case for a prerelease ...
[22:36] <Nafallo> locuse: AFAIK, yes
[22:37] <Nafallo> locuse: (I've already upgraded half of my servers)
[22:38] <Nafallo> that said, I'm not completely sure which repos you're speaking of.
[22:44] <locuse> Nafallo: great, thx!  well, good question -- just talking about access to any upgrades on the path to full release.  again, in *suse, it's been -- if you install the prerelease, it's from .iso only, and the path to next prelease is, again, .iso only.
[22:46] <locuse> oh, and does the ubuntu-server installer support mdadm-RAID (0,1,10) creation from within the graphical installer?  or do i need to drop to a shell somehow?
[22:48] <Nafallo> tui installer, but yes. it does.
[22:49] <locuse> Nafallo: great, thx.  help's appreciated.
[22:59] <jkyle> locuse: are you doing hands off installs? e.g. pxe boots and such?
[23:14] <roasted> HELLO
[23:14] <roasted> Got a server here running DHCP with 2 NICs for LTSP usage, but 1 NIC fails to hand out DHCP while the other NIC works great.
[23:15] <roasted> etc default dhcp3-server has eth0 and eth1 listed so both should be fine.
[23:15] <roasted> the scope for both are identical with the exception of the 3rd octet (10.52.17.1 vs 10.52.18.1)
[23:15] <roasted> any idea why dhcp could work on one NIC but not the other? I'm downright baffled.
[23:34] <locuse> jkyle: no, not as yet.
[23:38] <locuse> jkyle: atm, migrating a xen host from opensuse -> ubuntu-server, with raid boot, root& data arrays.  trying to 1st recover hosed arrays, and 2nd migrate as much server config as is possible.
[23:38] <locuse> very hands on ...
[23:38] <jkyle> locuse: ah, we use post-flight scripts on automated installs for advanced partitioning. . . much easier than mucking with teh debian-installer
[23:39] <locuse> jkyle: sure.  did the same in suse-land.  xen guests are, of course, trivial.  the smoke-pouring-from-the-server complicated my life a bit ..
[23:40] <jkyle> partman is like some kind of black magic if you're dealing with more than one disk or raids
[23:42] <locuse> jkyle: generally i prefer to get to the shell -- cfdisk/sfdisk & mdadm go a long way ... though i'd be much happier if btrfs were production ready.
[23:42] <locuse> even opensuse's graphical installer -- which is generally quite nice -- is a waste-of-bits when it comes to advanced raid config