| cousteau | can has screenshot? | 00:17 |
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| babble | cousteau: of? | 00:18 |
| cousteau | I'm considering switching to Xubuntu, since I don't like Unity nor Shell (mostly due to my video card NOT being the one on a playstation 3), and I'm not quite convinced by Lubuntu (although it's fine for my netbook) | 00:18 |
| cousteau | of Xubuntu 12.04 | 00:18 |
| babble | 12.04 looks essentially like 11.04-11.10, given that Precise is still using the release version of Xfce (4.8) | 00:19 |
| cousteau | I saw this pretty annoying Ubuntu theme that replaces the scroll bars with a weird thing that doesn't allow you to middle-click them (which is something I love from scroll bars) | 00:19 |
| babble | I have some screenshots of the current developer build Xfce 4.10, but Xfce doesn't do sweeping UI changes. It's very much evolution, not revolution. (I like this; you may or may not.) | 00:20 |
| cousteau | ok then | 00:21 |
| babble | https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=F4ADCC1C3CFC5FAB#cid=F4ADCC1C3CFC5FAB&id=F4ADCC1C3CFC5FAB%212169 | 00:21 |
| cousteau | now it'd be nice to have a list of programs xubuntu comes with... or maybe I just install from an alternate CD and just install the strictly needed stuff | 00:21 |
| cousteau | ok, so other than the window buttons being on the wrong side... | 00:23 |
| babble | cousteau: I can't give you a simple list of default apps, as of course I've customized my system with my own collection of preferred apps, but why not just download the LiveCD and see what's there? | 00:23 |
| cousteau | Hey, does Thunar have the ability to expand folders as Nautilus does? | 00:23 |
| cousteau | babble, eyah, that'd be a good idea | 00:23 |
| babble | cousteau: that's not a substantive issue; put your window buttons wherever you want them. | 00:23 |
| babble | cousteau: if you mean, 'Does thunar have disclosure dropdowns, like Nautilus,' no, but there's nothing that prevents you from using Nautilus on Xubuntu | 00:24 |
| cousteau | also, does Thunar have the F3 (or similar) option for seeing a two-pane view of 2 directories at once on a single window? | 00:24 |
| babble | No, but again, if you *want* Nautilus, use Nautilus. | 00:24 |
| babble | Thunar isn't intended to replicate every possible feature of Nautilus (or Dolphin or etc. etc. etc.) | 00:24 |
| cousteau | ok then... if nautilus doesn't integrate bad on xubuntu then I guess it'd be fine | 00:25 |
| babble | it's intended to be a lightweight file manager. | 00:25 |
| babble | it will need a collection of Gnome dependencies, which may or may not be a good thing, in your view, but again, if you really can't live without Nautilus all that prevents you from using it is allocating the disk space to install it | 00:25 |
| cousteau | well, the two-panel thing wasn't invented by nautilus, it already existed in e.g. midnight commander | 00:25 |
| babble | you're arguing needlessly | 00:26 |
| babble | I'm not making any claims of original invention. | 00:26 |
| cousteau | and whatever DSL's file manager is called | 00:26 |
| babble | I am saying if you prefer Nautilus, use Nautilus. | 00:26 |
| cousteau | yeah, sorry | 00:26 |
| cousteau | I wouldn't se that sort of features as "copying what another fm does"... more like a good feature | 00:27 |
| babble | again, the only person worried about anybody copying feature is you. | 00:27 |
| babble | I don't care, and haven't made any claims one way or the other. | 00:27 |
| babble | Thunar and Nautilus in some ways target different use cases. | 00:29 |
| babble | again, Thunar does not, and is not intended to, replicate every possible feature from every conceivable file manager. | 00:29 |
| babble | it does a competent job at the features it does implement, IMO, but your mileage may vary. If you find it lacking, use whatever you prefer. | 00:30 |
| cousteau | ok, thanks | 00:30 |
| babble | fwiw, if you want a 2-pane view, similar to tabs in Nautilus or the extra pane view in Nautilus, there are window autotiling features in Xfce 4.10 that make a side-by-side view very simple to achieve in Thunar. | 00:32 |
| cousteau | I prefer the 2-pane style... saves you 1 window | 00:34 |
| babble | I have Tile Left and Tile Right in 4.10 mapped to a couple of keyboard shortcuts and making something functionally identical to Nautilus' Extra Pane view takes milliseconds for me, given that | 00:34 |
| cousteau | (having tile activated is nice, though) | 00:34 |
| babble | again, this is easily doable in 4.10. | 00:34 |
| cousteau | Each time I see "4.10" I think "warty warthog" | 00:34 |
| babble | if you look through the screenshots I've posted, there's a side-by-side view of a pair of autotiled Thunar windows. | 00:34 |
| babble | that's a simple Alt-L and Alt-R using my preferred keymappings. | 00:35 |
| cousteau | yeah, I saw it | 00:36 |
| babble | but, still, all that prevents you from using Thunar is allocating the disk space for Thunar and some gnome dependencies. | 00:37 |
| babble | (or Kmail or etc. etc. etc. from Gnome or KDE, and so on.) | 00:37 |
| babble | sorry, all that prevents you from using Nautilus, rather. | 00:37 |
| cousteau | oh, that makes more sense :) | 00:38 |
| babble | there's already a fair number of Gnome packages installed in Xubuntu anyway, given their default package selections. | 00:39 |
| babble | Adding Nautilus isn't onerous. | 00:40 |
| cousteau | yeah, it's weird... Lubuntu uses XFCE programs and Xubuntu uses Gnome ones | 00:41 |
| cousteau | they're all GTK after all | 00:41 |
| babble | Lubuntu used LXDE | 00:41 |
| babble | I'm not sure about their entire default applications stack | 00:41 |
| cousteau | yes, but it uses some XFCE programs such as the system monitor | 00:42 |
| cousteau | and gnome-mplayer (while gnome uses this totem thing) | 00:42 |
| babble | that being said, in both cases, these are somewhat smaller community supported distributions, with fewer folks handling packaging and related duties than Ubuntu itself. | 00:42 |
| cousteau | and gnome-office (which is ok on the Gnumeric part but the Abiword part isn't that great) | 00:42 |
| babble | it doesn't make sense to duplicate a ton of work just for the sake of being "not-Gnome" or something. | 00:43 |
| babble | if a given package from Gnome makes sense to use, it'll get used. | 00:44 |
| cousteau | Ok, so... just in case I dislike one of the default, non-necessary programs in Xubuntu, is there some sort of xubuntu-core or xubuntu-minimal I'd want to install that only installs the needed parts to have a fully working Xubuntu desktop but without the recomended programs? | 00:44 |
| babble | what exactly is your point? | 00:44 |
| babble | again, this is a packaging decision. | 00:44 |
| babble | xubuntu-core doesn't exist, because ubuntu-core already does, honestly. | 00:44 |
| babble | if you don't want any of the Xubuntu packagers' decisions and want to roll your own, you can do that | 00:45 |
| babble | again, Xubuntu is a community supported derivative of Ubuntu. | 00:45 |
| babble | (the important concept to remember here is *community* supported.) | 00:46 |
| cousteau | e.g. say xubuntu is going to install abiword and totem and gcalc but I prefer libreoffice and gnome-mplayer and qalculate, is there a way to install only the basic xubuntu desktop without the programs that come with xubuntu by default (and aren't necessary for xubuntu)? | 00:46 |
| cousteau | maybe it's xfce what I'm looking for and not xubuntu? | 00:46 |
| cousteau | oh... bye | 00:46 |
| madlumberjack | yo has anyone gotten their toshiba backlit keyboard working yet> | 01:06 |
| babble | have you seen this: | 01:12 |
| babble | http://askubuntu.com/questions/13886/how-to-light-up-back-lit-keyboard | 01:12 |
| babble | toolate. | 01:12 |
| cousteau | babble, so I was wondering... maybe what I'm looking for is just a plain XFCE and then install whatever I want on it? | 01:21 |
| babble | cousteau: if you don't want to live with any of the Xubuntu packagers' decisions, you have a couple of options, none of them as easy as installing a "regular user" distro and going with it | 01:22 |
| babble | you could: | 01:22 |
| cousteau | or that won't be as consistent as installing Xubuntu? | 01:22 |
| babble | 1. Install Xubuntu, and uninstall xubuntu-desktop and rebuild it yourself with just the packages you want or... | 01:22 |
| babble | 2. Install ubuntu-core and build an Xfce desktop yourself, with just the packages you want. | 01:23 |
| cousteau | maybe xfce4 (+ xubuntu-default-settings?) is all I need | 01:25 |
| babble | again, this is all a packaging decision. | 01:26 |
| babble | Xubuntu, somewhat like Ubuntu, is largely targeted at folks who want a well-rounded desktop experience 'out of the box.' | 01:26 |
| babble | that's not to say you can't roll your own | 01:26 |
| cousteau | yeah, that's probably what I'll do... my only fear was that not installing a complete xubuntu would end up on having an incomplete desktop | 01:26 |
| babble | it's just to say that the Live images are built with a particular user target in mind. | 01:26 |
| babble | you can uninstall literally everything and build what you want, from the ground up | 01:27 |
| babble | but it will be a certain amount of work. | 01:27 |
| cousteau | yeah, I understand that... I just thought xubuntu had some sort of minimal or core package | 01:27 |
| cousteau | (which would be a "fully working xubuntu but without the programs that are not needed for it to work") | 01:28 |
| babble | No, because that would be an unnecessary duplication of work, on limited community resources, given that ubuntu-core already exists for folks who really do want to build EVERYTHING up themselves from a minimal installation. | 01:28 |
| cousteau | well, I was thinking on metapackages | 01:28 |
| babble | you apparently want a psychic distribution that comes packaged with just what you want without much effort on your part. | 01:28 |
| babble | it would be nice, but then again, so would unicorns | 01:29 |
| babble | cousteau: perhaps think of it this way: | 01:30 |
| babble | the Fedora Xfce spin exists | 01:30 |
| cousteau | no, not with what I want, only with the basic stuff... I don't need the distro to be already on a CD, I was thinking going the ubuntu-minimal way and aptitude install whatever | 01:30 |
| babble | but it's needlessly duplicative to expect that the Xfce spin reinvents the wheel to provide its users with everything that Fedora already does. | 01:30 |
| cousteau | anyway, I'm too tired now... I think I'll just install the xfce4 package and see if I like that or if I'm missing half of the things | 01:32 |
| cousteau | night, and thanks fr the advice! :D | 01:34 |
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| kanliot | does thunar have a desktop mode where it manages files on the desktop? | 03:11 |
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| xubuntu575 | ? | 11:00 |
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| balaber | hi | 15:42 |
| balaber | can someone help me with my suspend to ram issue? the suspend section looks good but wen i wont to resume i always get a reboot or a "new session" instead of my old suspended session | 15:42 |
| babble | balaber: did you recently reformat your swap partition? | 15:44 |
| babble | (something to cause your swap partition to get a new UUID?) | 15:44 |
| balaber | no i used pm-utils | 15:46 |
| balaber | i think i dont need a swap partition | 15:46 |
| babble | if you're using suspend-to-disk, you need to make sure that the resume file in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d points to the UUID of the partition with the suspend image | 15:47 |
| babble | typically, that'll be swap | 15:47 |
| babble | if you've done something else, substitute as appropriate for whatever you're doing | 15:47 |
| balaber | ok my resume file in "/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/" is empty | 15:48 |
| babble | that's why it's not resuming from hibernate | 15:49 |
| balaber | so i need to post my UUID in this file? | 15:49 |
| babble | again, it depends on whether or not you've altered the default hibernate behavior. | 15:49 |
| babble | where did you tell pm-utils to write a suspend image to? | 15:49 |
| balaber | give me a minute i will check this | 15:50 |
| meneMene | I don't seem to be able to find anything to get Orage to display time in a 24-hour manner rather than a 12 hour clock. | 16:32 |
| meneMene | How do I get Orage to display a 24 hour clock? | 16:32 |
| baizon | i use xfce4-datetime-plugin | 16:34 |
| baizon | http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/xfce4-datetime-plugin | 16:34 |
| babble | %k in orage's clock string will do hours in a 24-hour format. | 16:36 |
| babble | i.e. %k:%M for 23:15 (hours displayed as 0-23, minutes as 0-59) | 16:37 |
| meneMene | Thanks. | 16:37 |
| meneMene | %T was what I wanted. | 16:37 |
| meneMene | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11430801&postcount=2 | 16:38 |
| meneMene | Very nice post there. | 16:38 |
| babble | if you want it to autoformat including seconds, yes. | 16:38 |
| babble | this is documented in the manual for date | 16:38 |
| babble | at your terminal, do: | 16:38 |
| babble | man date | 16:38 |
| meneMene | Ah, thanks. | 16:38 |
| babble | the clock string in Orage is using the standard date utility | 16:38 |
| meneMene | I can never seem to guess *what* to man. | 16:38 |
| babble | it's a little cryptic if you've never used date before, but the percent-strings in the Orage clock's dialog are just date functions. | 16:39 |
| meneMene | Great, that looks a lot better. | 16:41 |
| babble | if you don't like the way your locale setting autoformats it for %T, you can roll your own | 16:41 |
| meneMene | Yeah. | 16:41 |
| meneMene | Thanks a lot for the help. | 16:42 |
| babble | no worries :) | 16:44 |
| ccssddee | whats the name of the lock screen app? | 17:04 |
| babble | xflock - but let me double check | 17:06 |
| babble | xflock4, sorry | 17:06 |
| ccssddee | babble: why cant I find xflock4 in synaptic? | 17:14 |
| babble | it's in xfce-utils | 17:14 |
| babble | xfce4-utils | 17:15 |
| ccssddee | ok | 17:15 |
| babble | if you have -utils installed, you've got it | 17:15 |
| babble | but, it has no manpage of its own, and no commandline switches I can find | 17:15 |
| babble | it does one thing - locks the screen, and starts your screensaver - and one thing only. | 17:16 |
| ccssddee | yes babble utils are installed, I was looking for an entry in the categorized index | 17:16 |
| ccssddee | yes, thats the app im looking for | 17:16 |
| babble | you've got it installed. | 17:16 |
| ccssddee | so, how do i block the screen? | 17:17 |
| babble | what do you want to do? | 17:18 |
| babble | do you want to lock your screen from the commandline, requiring a password to unlock? | 17:18 |
| ccssddee | I was thinking: I can just close the laptop (I mean phisically), and it auto blocks | 17:19 |
| babble | There are settings available for that already in Power Manager. | 17:19 |
| ccssddee | shut the laptop | 17:19 |
| ccssddee | babble: I was just looking for a shortcut (ctrl+something = blocked screen) | 17:20 |
| babble | You can set a shortcut for xflock4 in Settings Manager : Keyboard : Application Shortcuts | 17:20 |
| babble | but you've said you want two different things. | 17:20 |
| babble | locking your screen when you close your laptop lid isn't the same thing as using a keyboard command | 17:20 |
| ccssddee | im not aware of that.. sorry I write as I try not to attract too much attention from the teacher | 17:21 |
| babble | you can set both, or either. | 17:21 |
| babble | if you want a lock action when you close your laptop, look in the power manager panel for that | 17:21 |
| babble | if you want to set a keyboard command, look in the keyboard panel for that | 17:21 |
| ccssddee | thx | 17:22 |
| fAz4 | i deleted all my panels and stuffs is there any way to restore them like gnome ? | 17:23 |
| babble | In the Power Manager panel, look in Extended, and check: "Lock screen when going to suspend/hibernate" | 17:23 |
| babble | fAz4: did you *delete* your panels in the Panel control or did you kill the panel process and want to get it back? | 17:23 |
| fAz4 | babble: unfortunately i deleted my .config file | 17:24 |
| babble | then you'll need to rebuild your panels | 17:24 |
| Unit193 | fAz4: You can delete the .config/xfce4/panels | 17:25 |
| Unit193 | +Dir | 17:25 |
| babble | fAz4: ...and you don't have a backup anyplace of your configs? | 17:25 |
| fAz4 | babble: no :( | 17:25 |
| fAz4 | where can i download xubuntu 11.04 default configs ? | 17:26 |
| babble | let me see where the new account default panel setup is | 17:26 |
| babble | that would at least get you started. | 17:26 |
| babble | the xubuntu-default-settings package has xubuntu defaults | 17:27 |
| babble | but it won't override changes you've made to your own account | 17:27 |
| fAz4 | babble: i dont have that command | 17:28 |
| babble | from the default-settings package, the default panel setup is in: | 17:28 |
| babble | /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/panel | 17:28 |
| babble | it's not a command; it's an installable package | 17:29 |
| babble | you asked: | 17:29 |
| babble | <fAz4> where can i download xubuntu 11.04 default configs ? | 17:29 |
| babble | Xubuntu default settings for the panel and various things are in an installer package called xubuntu-default-settings. | 17:30 |
| fAz4 | but i dont have that file also | 17:30 |
| babble | it pulls settings from stuff installed by that when you make a new user account | 17:30 |
| babble | then you'll need to install it. | 17:30 |
| babble | sudo apt-get install xubuntu-default-settings | 17:30 |
| I-Am-Marino_ | So I'm going to install Linux for the first time here later this week, go me, felt like sharing that with you all. | 17:30 |
| babble | but, again, it *won't* automatically change anything you've done to your *own* account | 17:31 |
| babble | if you want the default panel back, as a starting point, you'll still need to manually copy the default panel config into your own ~/.config directory | 17:31 |
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| flavio__ | hi all | 17:47 |
| flavio__ | hi babble | 17:47 |
| flavio__ | yesterday you help me with a problem on Gigolo | 17:47 |
| babble | hi flavio__ :) | 17:49 |
| babble | still having trouble? | 17:49 |
| flavio__ | yes. after the restart i didn't able to connect my nas | 17:50 |
| babble | did you bookmark the nas in Gigolo? | 17:50 |
| flavio__ | i received this error | 17:50 |
| flavio__ | yes and when i start gigolo (becase at the moment i didn't add it to my | 17:51 |
| flavio__ | startup apps | 17:51 |
| flavio__ | i receive a message | 17:51 |
| babble | what error? | 17:51 |
| flavio__ | failed to mount windows share | 17:51 |
| babble | is the NAS visible if you connect to its web interface? | 17:52 |
| flavio__ | could be a problem of permissions? | 17:52 |
| flavio__ | at the same time in file manager | 17:52 |
| babble | if you could connect to it yesterday, and you haven't changed anything on the NAS side, probably not | 17:52 |
| flavio__ | windows network | 17:52 |
| flavio__ | i'm not able to open my home network | 17:53 |
| babble | I don't understand what you mean, "at the same time in file manager." | 17:53 |
| flavio__ | the gigolo error is | 17:53 |
| babble | can you see the NAS if you connect to its web interface using your web browser? | 17:53 |
| flavio__ | connection at <<smb://hdd-eth2/Public/>> | 17:53 |
| babble | I'm not asking about that | 17:54 |
| babble | can you see the NAS if you connect to its *web interface* using your *web browser?* | 17:54 |
| flavio__ | failed | 17:54 |
| babble | you said yesterday you knew its ip address, and you had already set up a public share. | 17:54 |
| flavio__ | in firefox it works | 17:54 |
| babble | what is the numeric IP of the NAS? | 17:55 |
| flavio__ | after the login on them via browser | 17:56 |
| flavio__ | gigolo is able to connect them | 17:57 |
| babble | I'm not asking that | 17:57 |
| babble | then you've done something on the permissions side on the nas. | 17:57 |
| babble | it's not a gigolo issue; you've changed how you had your permissions set up from yesterday | 17:57 |
| antii | hi.. | 17:58 |
| flavio__ | babble the channel is too late | 17:58 |
| babble | I don't understand what you mean, flavio__, sorry | 17:58 |
| flavio__ | after the login on the web interface gigolo is able to connect them | 17:59 |
| babble | if you've changed your permissions setup on the NAS, you'll need to change it back to the open public share you had yesterday, *or* you'll need to log in using a username and password in gigolo using whatever authentication you've changed. | 17:59 |
| antii | time to switch wm.. going from ubuntu 10.04, tried gnome 3, unity and kde and I dont like none of them.. how is xfce holding up nowadays? | 17:59 |
| babble | antii: that's not a question folks can meaningfully answer. I like it. You may, or may not. | 18:00 |
| babble | download a live image and have a look around. | 18:00 |
| babble | if you like it, install it. | 18:00 |
| antii | doing it :p | 18:00 |
| antii | babble: well, I got no alternative.. | 18:00 |
| babble | of course you do. | 18:00 |
| antii | ok | 18:00 |
| babble | you just don't have an alternative you want, at the moment | 18:01 |
| antii | im happy with gnome2 on my ubuntu 10.04 machine.. but its time to upgrade :P | 18:01 |
| babble | if you want Gnome 2, you may try installing Cinnamon on Gnome 3 instead of the regular gnome shell | 18:01 |
| babble | if you want a Gnome 2-style desktop, Xubuntu is quite capable. | 18:01 |
| antii | hm. | 18:02 |
| babble | but it doesn't (and doesn't need to) replicate the Gnome 2 experience completely. | 18:02 |
| antii | ah, same that linux mint uses? | 18:03 |
| babble | Cinnamon is based on the mint gnome shell extensions, I'm fairly sure, yes. | 18:03 |
| babble | if you want to stick with Gnome, but prefer the Gnome 2 interface to just about anything else, Cinnamon is probably going to give you a better experience. | 18:04 |
| antii | thanks. | 18:04 |
| babble | Xfce is its own project, with its own direction and goals. | 18:04 |
| antii | ye. | 18:04 |
| antii | but I like the simplicity | 18:04 |
| antii | like gnome2.. :P | 18:04 |
| babble | you're not being especially clear on what you want | 18:05 |
| babble | if you want Gnome 2 and nothing else, there's a fork called Mate | 18:07 |
| babble | I haven't a clue how well supported it is. | 18:07 |
| antii | Hm | 18:07 |
| * holstein prefers XFCE to mate for that gnome2 feel | 18:16 | |
| craigbass1976 | I can't deal with Unity anymore, or gnome3. I'm about to install xfce on my 12.04 laptop. Anything funny I ought to know about beforehand? | 18:16 |
| antii | Funny :P | 18:16 |
| holstein | craigbass1976: its awesome... enjoy! | 18:16 |
| antii | holstein: installing in vm now :D | 18:16 |
| craigbass1976 | How different than in 10.04 ? | 18:17 |
| holstein | craigbass1976: you mean, XFCE in 10.04? | 18:17 |
| craigbass1976 | right | 18:17 |
| holstein | craigbass1976: if you used/liked XFCE back then, you will only find welcome improvements | 18:18 |
| craigbass1976 | I've not been this annoyed with a desktop environment since XP came out | 18:18 |
| craigbass1976 | Is there any testign going on with XFCE for mobile devices, or is that kind of where unity is supposed to shine? | 18:19 |
| holstein | some folks like it.. some folks actually develop it.. theres always options | 18:19 |
| holstein | craigbass1976: XFCE will just run on whatever device.. no need to test it really... i would say it would do OK on some and not OK on others depending on your needs or desired workflow | 18:20 |
| craigbass1976 | Last question... Honest... Usually I grab Xubuntu iso. This time I've installed xubuntu-desktop with apt. How is this going to be set as default? Is there a different desktop manager I select somewhere? | 18:21 |
| holstein | at login.. you can switch, or get it where theres just the one... its up to you | 18:22 |
| craigbass1976 | holstein, ok; I didn't know if xfce and unity/gnome used the same desktop manager | 18:23 |
| holstein | craigbass1976: you can have unity *and* XFCE is what i mean | 18:24 |
| holstein | and switch between them at boot | 18:24 |
| holstein | OR, just have one of them.. or anything else you can imagine and tolerate configuring | 18:24 |
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| craigbass1976 | holstein, phew... I feel better now. THanks | 18:32 |
| holstein | craigbass1976: enjoy! | 18:33 |
| flavio | hi babble | 18:55 |
| flavio | i solved the problem, | 18:55 |
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| Guest48105 | this kind of nas has some problem to manage the samba | 18:55 |
| Guest48105 | users and permissions | 18:55 |
| babble | what else does it serve? | 18:55 |
| babble | You' | 18:55 |
| babble | you're not limited to just smb mounts in Gigolo | 18:56 |
| Guest48105 | so i add the administrator name and pwd in the gigolo bookmarks | 18:56 |
| Guest48105 | and in this way all works | 18:56 |
| babble | as I said, you can add usernames and passwords in Gigolo | 18:56 |
| Guest48105 | the folders are without restrictions so i tough they don't need user and pwd | 19:03 |
| craigbass1976 | I lied... I have more questions. Can I rearrange the order of my window buttons on a panel? | 19:34 |
| Cogito | Is mono needed in Xubuntu? | 19:36 |
| Unit193 | If you install something that needs it, yep. | 19:36 |
| Unit193 | Otherwise, not by default. | 19:37 |
| Unit193 | craigbass1976: Yep, you sure can. You're talking about the open programs? (just to be clear) | 19:37 |
| craigbass1976 | Unit193, yessah | 19:38 |
| Unit193 | craigbass1976: Ctlr+right click > Sorting order | 19:38 |
| craigbass1976 | Unit193, I don't see such a choice. | 19:40 |
| Unit193 | Properties first, then sorting order | 19:40 |
| Unit193 | "None, allow drag & drop" | 19:40 |
| craigbass1976 | I'm in 4.8. Something I read (https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/xfce-cant-change-window-buttons-order-in-the-panel-like-in-gnome-875036/) said the feature was removed in 4.8 | 19:41 |
| craigbass1976 | Ctrl + right click does the same thing as regular right click. | 19:42 |
| Cogito | Unit193: Thanks | 19:58 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 20:00 |
| craigbass1976 | Unit193, I thought maybe logging out an din again would help, but I still don't see the options you're talkign about after setting "none, drag and drop" as the sorting order | 20:14 |
| Unit193 | What system are you on? Version that is. | 20:22 |
| craigbass1976 | Unit193, 12.04. Am I in trouble now? | 20:33 |
| Unit193 | Alright, so when you hold down ctrl and right click, you don't see "Properties", "Remove", and "Move"? | 20:34 |
| Unit193 | If so, Menu > Settings > Settings Manager > Panel > Items > Window Buttons and then hit the "Gear" icon. | 20:35 |
| craigbass1976 | Unit193, I do see the three thing you say | 20:36 |
| Unit193 | Alright, and in properties you see "Sorting Order"? | 20:37 |
| craigbass1976 | Yes, and that's set to none, drag and drop | 20:38 |
| Unit193 | And if you hit Ok and drag the icon it doesn't work? | 20:38 |
| craigbass1976 | Right | 20:38 |
| craigbass1976 | It flies back to where it started | 20:38 |
| Unit193 | Try dragging it a few windows over, I know it works as I'm using it on 11.10 | 20:39 |
| craigbass1976 | I think I just dragged one, but I don't know where the blazes I should be aiming when I let go. Seems the target is smaller than in gnome 2.x | 20:40 |
| Unit193 | Could be, but I didn't like/use Gnome2. :P | 20:40 |
| Unit193 | Still no go? | 20:41 |
| Unit193 | If so, try logging out and back in. :P | 20:41 |
| craigbass1976 | I got it, maybe even consistently... | 20:48 |
| Unit193 | Great, hope you like it. | 20:48 |
| craigbass1976 | Much better than unity, and gnome3 | 20:49 |
| GridCube | i kinnda lost ubuntu's grub for another linux grub... | 22:03 |
| GridCube | and that other grub doesnt have an update-grub option | 22:04 |
| babble | ? | 22:04 |
| Unit193 | Just use grub-install to put it back. | 22:05 |
| GridCube | but i need a live cd for that correct? | 22:05 |
| Unit193 | Not if you can get into the system you want, nope. | 22:05 |
| babble | fwiw, it's easier for me to use boot repair for grub reinstallations. | 22:06 |
| Unit193 | Cool, that'll do it. | 22:06 |
| GridCube | whats that? | 22:06 |
| GridCube | welp i need to make a booteable usb | 22:07 |
| babble | GridCube: it will do grub reinstallations or updates without worrying about the usual device issues. (I often have trouble getting grub to reinstall if I do it the 'usual' way and chroot onto my system) | 22:07 |
| babble | sec. | 22:07 |
| babble | https://launchpad.net/~yannubuntu/+archive/boot-repair | 22:07 |
| GridCube | i didnt understood half what you said | 22:07 |
| GridCube | how do i run that? | 22:08 |
| GridCube | i dont have an ubuntu running... | 22:08 |
| babble | GridCube: Then you likely want to install boot repair on your recovery system instead of trying to do it manually. | 22:08 |
| GridCube | ok | 22:08 |
| babble | Make a live usb with a writeable filesystem and install boot repair on it | 22:09 |
| GridCube | so. livecd > bootrepair > repair boot | 22:09 |
| babble | yes. | 22:09 |
| babble | well, not a cd | 22:11 |
| babble | you want something with a writeable filesystem (a live USB thumb drive will work) so that you can install boot repair on it | 22:11 |
| GridCube | yes, in any case liveusb still goes to ram | 22:12 |
| babble | GridCube: if it were me, I'd want to keep a recovery system with Boot Repair actually installed, instead of having to manually reinstall it each and every time I needed to use it from that recovery drive | 22:13 |
| babble | but you do whatever works for you, of course. | 22:13 |
| babble | GridCube: Have you never made a thumb drive system with a writeable casper image on it? | 22:14 |
| GridCube | having no idea what that i will with: no | 22:16 |
| babble | Have you used Startup Disk Creator or Unetbootin to write an ISO to a thumb drive (instead of burning a CD) before? | 22:16 |
| GridCube | yes | 22:16 |
| GridCube | many times | 22:16 |
| babble | if you have, there's an option to make writeable filesystem image on the resulting live system. | 22:17 |
| babble | that gets mounted along with the read-only squashfs filesystem through UnionFS so you can actually write stuff to the Live USB system | 22:17 |
| GridCube | mmmhm i see | 22:18 |
| babble | if it were me, I'd install boot repair on a *writeable* LiveUSB system so that it would be available to me the next time I needed it | 22:18 |
| babble | but again, you do whatever works for you | 22:18 |
| rhin0 | (23:33:18) rhin0: why am I getting on sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` Media Change: Please insert the disc labelle 'Xubuntu 10.04.2 _Lucid Lynx_ - Release amd64 (20110215.1)' -- anyone know? | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | the CD you used to install is still listed as one of your software sources | 22:35 |
| rhin0 | im sure it isn't | 22:35 |
| rhin0 | I never tick that box | 22:35 |
| pleia2 | open up /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the deb cdrom: section | 22:35 |
| pleia2 | well that is what it's asking for | 22:35 |
| rhin0 | ok thanks | 22:36 |
| rhin0 | worked | 22:38 |
| pleia2 | great :) | 22:39 |
| GridCube | :D boot-repair did the works, now i can start to set things up to screw things up again | 23:15 |
| * GridCube w00ts! | 23:15 | |
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