| MountainX | hi. are there any major problems with the latest upgrades, or is it safe to run all updates now? | 02:47 |
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| MountainX | maybe I should have asked in ubuntu+1 | 02:50 |
| Darkwing | MountainX: I am using the most updated base fromt eh Beta2 install as my daily driver. No major issues. | 03:34 |
| MountainX | Darkwing: thanks! | 05:00 |
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| Riddell | http://www.datamation.com/open-source/open-source-office-apps-calligra-suite-vs-libreoffice-1.html fairly perceptice review of calligra | 09:27 |
| snele | libreoffice-style-oxygen is super ugly. it doesn't respect oxygen gradients, pop up menus are ugly and without shadows etc. so I installed libreoffice-gtk and oxygen-gtk did the rest of work: | 10:36 |
| snele | http://www.dodaj.rs/f/D/z0/3KH8F6dU/snapshot47.png | 10:36 |
| snele | it looks beautifull and native | 10:36 |
| snele | kubuntu should ship libreoffice-gtk ;) | 10:37 |
| starbuck | netrunner does ;) | 10:39 |
| starbuck | for exact same reason :) | 10:39 |
| snele | starbuck: but netrunner uses gtk theme. not oxygen ;) | 10:40 |
| starbuck | for 12.04 we do ;) | 10:40 |
| Riddell | yes the qt 4 integration into libreoffice was done by kubuntu but not really completed to make it as slick as it needs | 10:45 |
| Riddell | my preference would be just to switch to calligra as I say :) | 10:45 |
| Tm_T | same | 10:47 |
| Tm_T | now that we have stable Calligra release, I see no reason not to use it | 10:48 |
| Riddell | well stable is relative, it has plenty of bugs, but then libreoffice does too as pointed out | 10:49 |
| Tm_T | yup | 10:49 |
| snele | Riddell: libreoffice-gtk + oxygen-gtk or calligra by default. libreoffice-kde looks (and feels) just terible at the moment (no gradients, no shadows etc) | 10:49 |
| Tm_T | I work on a mixed OS environment where LibreOffice is used, but yet I often have to use Calligra to be able to read and edit documents properly | 10:49 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: mm, that's interesting | 10:51 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: is that MS documents or OpenDocument? | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | opendocuments | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | and I don't know why | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | sometimes Libreoffice just crashes | 10:51 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: OpenDocument files comeing from non-libreoffice apps? | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | yes | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | no | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | from LibreOffice | 10:52 |
| Riddell | it would seem surprising if Libreoffice couldn't open its own files properly | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | indeed, it's strange, those crashes or occasional layout (styling?) issues | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | it's very rare I have to touch office files (odt etc) that I haven't cared much about it | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | just something I have noticed, I have to use both LO and Calligra in time to time | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | oh, and sometimes Okular seems to display documents best (: | 10:54 |
| Riddell | Okular uses calligra for OpenDocument files | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | yup | 10:54 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: do you use macros at all? | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | me? no | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | basic text documents and spreadsheets | 10:55 |
| Riddell | I think macros are a bit of a killer for calligra but they're also an unsolved problem for using MS documents | 10:56 |
| Tm_T | it's worse on MS-land with MS-tools though | 10:59 |
| * Tm_T had to see yet another "you should buy newer office to be able to handle this file" kind of error yesterday | 10:59 | |
| kelemengabor1 | Riddell: hi, could you please check if everything is okay with the Calligra translations? looks like they are nowhere in the import queue of calligra: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra/+imports or calligra-l10n: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra-l10n/+imports?batch=75&direction=backwards&start=4500 | 11:14 |
| Riddell | kelemengabor1: doesn't that mean they've been imported? | 11:18 |
| Riddell | dpm: ^^ | 11:18 |
| kelemengabor1 | Riddell: ulysses says he does not see his Hungarian translations | 11:19 |
| kelemengabor1 | this is why I'm asking | 11:19 |
| ulysses | neither the Ukrainian | 11:19 |
| Riddell | ulysses: do not seem them where? | 11:19 |
| ulysses | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra/+pots/words/hu/+translate?show=untranslated | 11:20 |
| kelemengabor1 | or here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/hu?batch=300&start=1200 | 11:20 |
| Riddell | ulysses: does this have them? people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/calligra-l10n-hu_2.4.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 11:21 |
| ulysses | I can't test now, I have to go. I'll be back in 2 hours | 11:23 |
| kelemengabor1 | Riddell: this looks to have them, yes | 11:26 |
| Riddell | dpm: do you know if the calligra-l10n translations got imported? | 11:28 |
| dpm | Riddell, kelemengabor1, looking | 11:31 |
| rbelem | Riddell, heya :-) | 11:40 |
| Riddell | hi rbelem | 11:45 |
| rbelem | Riddell, could you update the kubuntu active meta to use the kwinactive package? | 11:46 |
| rbelem | :-) | 11:46 |
| dpm | Riddell, kelemengabor1, looking at the Launchpad imports stats, I don't think the whole of the KDE translations uploaded recently + calligra will be imported in time, so they will have to be shipped in the next language pack update shortly before release | 11:46 |
| Riddell | rbelem: kde-window-manager-active ? | 11:47 |
| rbelem | Riddell, yup | 11:47 |
| rbelem | Riddell, thanks :-) | 11:47 |
| Riddell | dpm: you mean they're still working their way through the system somehow? | 11:48 |
| kelemengabor1 | dpm: can you see the approved calligra translations? where are they? | 11:48 |
| rbelem | Riddell, do you think i'm ready to become a kubuntu developer? So I could make these small fixes by myself :-) | 11:48 |
| dpm | Riddell, exactly, let me show you the stats on a pm (the LP graphs are only accessible to members of the canonical group) | 11:49 |
| Riddell | rbelem: could well be, the recent split of kde-workspace for active should be proof of your elite skills | 11:50 |
| rbelem | Riddell, :-D | 11:50 |
| Riddell | rbelem: e-mail the kubuntu-devel list asking for a meeting if you want to go for it, using the doodle.com website for scheduling | 11:51 |
| dpm | kelemengabor1, let me re-check | 11:51 |
| * rbelem hugs Riddell | 11:52 | |
| rbelem | :-D | 11:52 |
| * koolhead17 finds so much hugging in this channel. :P | 11:52 | |
| Riddell | we're friendly like that | 11:52 |
| * rbelem hugs koolhead17 | 11:53 | |
| koolhead17 | :P | 11:53 |
| * koolhead17 mutes | 11:53 | |
| rbelem | sharing our happiness | 11:53 |
| Riddell | koolhead17: see, aren't we more fun than the server team? :) | 12:03 |
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| koolhead17 | Riddell, server team is fun 2 :P | 12:05 |
| Riddell | yeah I know, that Davey encourages quite irresponsible behaviour in a hot tub as NCommander found out! | 12:06 |
| Riddell | ScottK: kdevelop and kubuntu-active-meta uploaded should you be in a reviewing mood | 12:07 |
| ScottK | Universe isn't frozen yet, so should be easy. | 12:08 |
| ScottK | Unseeded that is. | 12:08 |
| Riddell | yofel: lp:~yofel/software-properties/lp-944876 needing looked at? | 12:14 |
| BluesKaj | hey all | 12:45 |
| dpm | kelemengabor1, I believe the calligra translations have not yet even been approved. I've sent you the details on an e-mail | 12:58 |
| kelemengabor1 | dpm: okay, but in any case, shouldn't we see the po files in some queue? because I can't even see the unapproved po files, and this is where I get nervous :\ | 13:02 |
| dpm | kelemengabor1, ah, you mean in the templates themselves, good point | 13:03 |
| BluesKaj | we have a guy over at #kde saying "startx" is obolete :) He claims "s/Xorg/X/ " is the new proper command | 13:11 |
| BluesKaj | is he correct? | 13:11 |
| NCommander | /lastlog NCommander | 13:12 |
| NCommander | er | 13:12 |
| BluesKaj | I thought I'd get verifiacation fdrom devs :) | 13:12 |
| NCommander | Riddell: I plead the 5th. | 13:12 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: he's wrong | 13:13 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, he claims debian is a medieval distro ..trying to be provocative I suppose | 13:15 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: don't be afraid to /kick :) | 13:15 |
| BluesKaj | i have no power to kick anyone , but i wouldn't ...I think he was just expressing a misguided opinion | 13:16 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: ok I was too harsh, but I'd say something like "best not insult the teams who make free software work, especially in forums which they stay in" | 13:20 |
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| BluesKaj | Riddell, agreed , he was just trying to start a pi**ing contest about distros , and wasn't about to get involved in a silly argument about tastes | 13:24 |
| BluesKaj | and I wasn't | 13:26 |
| BluesKaj | shadeslayer, I installed kdevelop from the ppa and altho i don't use it , or even know how , it launches fine :) | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ^ | 13:49 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: thanks alot! | 13:49 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it's compiling now in precise-proposed, if you can tell me when it's done I can copy it to precise-release | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 13:51 |
| * shadeslayer starts on ktp | 13:51 | |
| shadeslayer | ERROR:.././../tests/test-new-dribble.c:666:void bad_candidate_test(): assertion failed: (global_lagent_state == NICE_COMPONENT_STATE_FAILED) << What a omnious assert | 13:52 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: what is there to do with ktp? | 13:54 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: basically just a new bug fix release, nothing major, grab new tarballs and package | 13:55 |
| shadeslayer | Also, please add appropriate watch files to the packages, something I forgot last time | 13:57 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I uploaded 0.3.1 already | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | ohh | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | sweet! | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: when did you package it? Because ScottK was poking me last night to do it | 13:59 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: before he noticed :) | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 14:00 |
| ScottK | Very nice. | 14:00 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: but if you're looking for things to do this needs worked out if anything needs done with it lp:~yofel/software-properties/lp-944876 | 14:00 |
| * shadeslayer looks | 14:01 | |
| shadeslayer | lol | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I'll try and figure out how to do it properly tonight | 14:06 |
| agateau | Riddell: hey, is it too late for a new release of lightdm to go in? | 14:42 |
| Riddell | agateau: hmm, I don't know | 14:43 |
| Riddell | agateau: lightdm itself? | 14:43 |
| Riddell | that's in main isn't it? | 14:43 |
| agateau | Riddell: mmm, no I meant lightdm-kde | 14:43 |
| Riddell | oh i see, that's universe so should be fine | 14:43 |
| agateau | Riddell: actually David would love to have this evening to hack on it, would it still be ok tomorrow? | 14:44 |
| Riddell | UnseededUniverseFinalFreeze (Tue) | 14:46 |
| Riddell | so I think you have all week | 14:47 |
| Riddell | but it's not unseeded if you could kubuntu active | 14:47 |
| Riddell | so your main guy to ask is if rbelem is happy with it | 14:47 |
| Riddell | a/could/count/ | 14:47 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok | 14:49 |
| agateau | rbelem: hi, is it fine with you to have a new tarball for lightdm-kde tomorrow? | 14:49 |
| Riddell | agateau: it'll be fine, David is d_ed? | 14:50 |
| agateau | Riddell: yes | 14:50 |
| rbelem | agateau, yup :-) It probably contains more fixes and features | 14:50 |
| agateau | it does :) | 14:50 |
| rbelem | agateau, let me know when it hits the repos, so i can test it :-) | 14:52 |
| agateau | rbelem: sure | 14:52 |
| ulysses | JontheEchidna: here? | 14:52 |
| zorael | Now that akonadi (1.7.0-0ubuntu3) has its mysql backend as dependency, what's the correct solution for the problem/question at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1960064 ? | 16:09 |
| zorael | is there a point to eg. akonadi-backend-sqlite anymore? | 16:10 |
| Riddell | zorael: you should be able to install akonadi-backend-sqlite and use it, but it's not the recommended back end | 16:11 |
| Riddell | (by upstream) | 16:11 |
| zorael | Riddell: okay, so is this a bug: http://i.imgur.com/ktMhk.png ? | 16:15 |
| Riddell | zorael: well it's not a feature! | 16:17 |
| zorael | ;3 | 16:17 |
| BarkingFish | Evening all. Just a word to the wise, one of the packages which got upgraded overnight is not correctly signed, I can't upgrade it - either through apper or the command line. | 16:27 |
| BarkingFish | I don't know which one, cause I have about 30 packages to update, totalling 33.1MB | 16:27 |
| zorael | seems it only ever offers to pick between the mysql and postgresql backends regardless of which ones are installed.. tested on two machines and on a new user :/ | 16:27 |
| zorael | I'll file a bko bug. | 16:28 |
| Riddell | BarkingFish: mirror error probably | 16:29 |
| BarkingFish | well I filed a bug on apper a while back, with part of the issue - you get asked if you want to install the unsigned packages, click yes and it sends you round in circles until you click no. | 16:30 |
| BarkingFish | I filed that way back early in 11.10 | 16:30 |
| BarkingFish | it was closed as fixed; i guess it's not :) | 16:30 |
| ScottK | Use muon then. | 16:41 |
| BarkingFish | ScottK, nothing will perform the update - not even through the command line. I don't know which package is shot though. | 16:42 |
| BarkingFish | The last time this happened, i dropped to tty1 and did the update through there | 16:43 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: It Works™ | 16:43 |
| ScottK | BarkingFish: As Riddell said, probably a bad mirror. Wait a bit. Do sudo apt-get update. Try again. | 16:44 |
| BarkingFish | ok, i'll give it a shot again in about 12 hours | 16:45 |
| BarkingFish | It's not gonna kill me, there's just some updates to flash player, libc6, etc | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: whut works | 16:49 |
| shadeslayer | Stupid GMail, doesn't even tell me whats wrong | 16:50 |
| BluesKaj | BarkingFish, the update to flashplayer is redundant if you have libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins | 16:50 |
| BarkingFish | i don't have, BluesKaj | 16:51 |
| BarkingFish | i have flashplugin-alternative.so | 16:51 |
| BluesKaj | ok , well if it works .... | 16:53 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: software-properties hack | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: ah | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | But it's a hack :P | 16:55 |
| yofel | yeah, proper fix should be using dbus, but I've no time currently to rewrite that | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | GMail is completely down for me @_@ | 16:56 |
| shadeslayer | doesn't even work from the phone | 16:56 |
| shadeslayer | aha : http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=issue&ts=1334687399000&iid=a88855ea3653b5d2f71d98b0b8906f84 | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | well ... good time to play ME2 I guess | 17:00 |
| Darkwing | Does Calligra work with doc/docx with just opening and editing or, will it save as the doc/docx as well? | 17:16 |
| bulldog98 | Darkwing: it is supposed to save to doc/docx too, but I don’t know how reliable that is | 17:18 |
| Darkwing | hmmz, I'll ahve to install and test... where do we hold it in the ppa? | 17:18 |
| bulldog98 | Darkwing: it’s in backports I think or in precise universe | 17:20 |
| Darkwing | ahhh good. | 17:20 |
| ScottK | It's in precise universe | 17:21 |
| Darkwing | Thanks. Installing. | 17:21 |
| Darkwing | ohhh, New ICS build for my Galaxy S :D | 17:21 |
| zorael | I'm still looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1960064 where the user can't install KDE from the oneiric ppas, now that akonadi-server depends on akonadi-backend-mysql which depends on mysql, as he's using a drop-in replacement for mysql which conflicts with it | 17:46 |
| zorael | https://launchpad.net/percona-server | 17:46 |
| zorael | Wouldn't it be more tidy if the akonadi backends (mysql, postgresql, sqlite, odbc) provided an akonadi-backend virtual package? | 17:47 |
| zorael | I built akonadi locally after some changes to debian/control (http://pastie.org/3805783), and now I can uninstall the mysql backend (akonadi depends akonadi-backend provided by akonadi-backend-{mysql,postgresql,sqlite,odbc}) | 18:17 |
| Peace- | yofel: :) kde-service-menu-vlc - 0.7.0-1ubuntu0~ppa1 | 18:18 |
| zorael | An alternative would be to let akonadi-backend-mysql depend on virtual-mysql-server instead of mysql-server-core-5.1 and mysql-client-core-5.1, I guess. Maybe. | 18:24 |
| yofel | zorael: can you file a bug against akonadi so that's not forgotten at least? | 20:04 |
| zorael | yofel: okay, will do | 20:04 |
| yofel | thanks! | 20:04 |
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| ScottK | Anyone else having trouble with "Failed to get D-Bus interface of mailfilteragent." on precise with kmail? | 20:29 |
| ScottK | Anyone using Kmail on precise and not having that problem would be good to know too. | 20:29 |
| Darkwing | ScottK: I'm using KMail... no errors. | 20:43 |
| Darkwing | Hmmz, no options to save as Doc/Docx in Calligra | 20:44 |
| yofel | ScottK: works fine here as well | 20:45 |
| Darkwing | IMAP and POP3 both working well. | 20:46 |
| ScottK | Disconnected IMAP? | 21:12 |
| ScottK | Actually I don't think it matters since I get the error when I try to send mail too. | 21:12 |
| yofel | ScottK: I use disconnected IMAP - works fine now for a month | 21:12 |
| yofel | normal imap works too on another system here, can't test pop3 | 21:13 |
| ScottK | ok | 21:18 |
| BarkingFish | yofel: what do you need testing with pop3? | 21:25 |
| Darkwing | BarkingFish: ScottK is having KMail issues. | 21:26 |
| BarkingFish | ah. | 21:26 |
| BarkingFish | Which version of KDE are you on, ScottK, and which version of Kmail? | 21:26 |
| ScottK | I must have data corruption of some kind. | 21:27 |
| ScottK | 4.8.2 on precise. | 21:27 |
| * ScottK isn't using pop3 though. | 21:27 | |
| BarkingFish | Hm. I am, and pop3 runs fine here. | 21:29 |
| BarkingFish | I just wondered cause yofel mentioned not being able to test pop3, it runs ok on the latest kmail | 21:29 |
| Darkwing | ScottK: You using Generic IMAP? That's what I'm using. | 21:29 |
| ScottK | DIMAP. | 21:29 |
| BarkingFish | What kind of problems are you having? | 21:29 |
| Darkwing | ScottK: Lemme set it up and see what it does... | 21:30 |
| yofel | only issue I have with it is kde bug 277912, but that's been broken since they moved that to akonadi | 21:31 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 277912 in general "Can't use my IMAP account's trash folder." [Normal,Unconfirmed: ] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277912 | 21:31 |
| BarkingFish | i'd test this end too, but none of my email services use DIMAP as far as I know, i wouldn't know where to set that up anyway | 21:31 |
| ScottK | BarkingFish: The D part is just disconnected. | 21:32 |
| ScottK | It's a matter of if you keep a local copy of everything. | 21:32 |
| ScottK | It doesn't require any server side support. | 21:33 |
| BarkingFish | ah. i don't understand it frankly, my ears only perked up at "pop3" :) | 21:33 |
| Darkwing | ScottK: working in disconnected mode works here... I don't knwo if there is more that i need to do... | 21:33 |
| ScottK | Probably just me. | 21:35 |
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