[02:47] <MountainX> hi. are there any major problems with the latest upgrades, or is it safe to run all updates now?
[02:50] <MountainX> maybe I should have asked in ubuntu+1
[03:34] <Darkwing> MountainX: I am using the most updated base fromt eh Beta2 install as my daily driver. No major issues.
[05:00] <MountainX> Darkwing: thanks! 
[09:27] <Riddell> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/open-source-office-apps-calligra-suite-vs-libreoffice-1.html  fairly perceptice review of calligra
[10:36] <snele> libreoffice-style-oxygen is super ugly. it doesn't respect oxygen gradients, pop up menus are ugly and without shadows etc. so I installed libreoffice-gtk and oxygen-gtk did the rest of work:
[10:36] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/D/z0/3KH8F6dU/snapshot47.png
[10:36] <snele> it looks beautifull and native
[10:37] <snele> kubuntu should ship libreoffice-gtk ;)
[10:39] <starbuck> netrunner does ;)
[10:39] <starbuck> for exact same reason :)
[10:40] <snele> starbuck: but netrunner uses gtk theme. not oxygen ;)
[10:40] <starbuck> for 12.04 we do ;)
[10:45] <Riddell> yes the qt 4 integration into libreoffice was done by kubuntu but not really completed to make it as slick as it needs
[10:45] <Riddell> my preference would be just to switch to calligra as I say :)
[10:47] <Tm_T> same
[10:48] <Tm_T> now that we have stable Calligra release, I see no reason not to use it
[10:49] <Riddell> well stable is relative, it has plenty of bugs, but then libreoffice does too as pointed out
[10:49] <Tm_T> yup
[10:49] <snele> Riddell: libreoffice-gtk + oxygen-gtk or calligra by default. libreoffice-kde looks (and feels) just terible at the moment (no gradients, no shadows etc)
[10:49] <Tm_T> I work on a mixed OS environment where LibreOffice is used, but yet I often have to use Calligra to be able to read and edit documents properly
[10:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: mm, that's interesting
[10:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: is that MS documents or OpenDocument?
[10:51] <Tm_T> opendocuments
[10:51] <Tm_T> and I don't know why
[10:51] <Tm_T> sometimes Libreoffice just crashes
[10:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: OpenDocument files comeing from non-libreoffice apps?
[10:51] <Tm_T> yes
[10:51] <Tm_T> no
[10:52] <Tm_T> from LibreOffice
[10:52] <Riddell> it would seem surprising if Libreoffice couldn't open its own files properly
[10:53] <Tm_T> indeed, it's strange, those crashes or occasional layout (styling?) issues
[10:53] <Tm_T> it's very rare I have to touch office files (odt etc) that I haven't cared much about it
[10:53] <Tm_T> just something I have noticed, I have to use both LO and Calligra in time to time
[10:54] <Tm_T> oh, and sometimes Okular seems to display documents best (:
[10:54] <Riddell> Okular uses calligra for OpenDocument files
[10:54] <Tm_T> yup
[10:54] <Riddell> Tm_T: do you use macros at all?
[10:54] <Tm_T> me? no
[10:55] <Tm_T> basic text documents and spreadsheets
[10:56] <Riddell> I think macros are a bit of a killer for calligra but they're also an unsolved problem for using MS documents
[10:59] <Tm_T> it's worse on MS-land with MS-tools though
[10:59]  * Tm_T had to see yet another "you should buy newer office to be able to handle this file" kind of error yesterday
[11:14] <kelemengabor1> Riddell: hi, could you please check if everything is okay with the Calligra translations? looks like they are nowhere in the import queue of calligra: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra/+imports or calligra-l10n: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra-l10n/+imports?batch=75&direction=backwards&start=4500
[11:18] <Riddell> kelemengabor1: doesn't that mean they've been imported?
[11:18] <Riddell> dpm: ^^
[11:19] <kelemengabor1> Riddell: ulysses says he does not see his Hungarian translations 
[11:19] <kelemengabor1> this is why I'm asking
[11:19] <ulysses> neither the Ukrainian
[11:19] <Riddell> ulysses: do not seem them where?
[11:20] <ulysses>  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/calligra/+pots/words/hu/+translate?show=untranslated
[11:20] <kelemengabor1> or here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/hu?batch=300&start=1200
[11:21] <Riddell> ulysses: does this have them? people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/calligra-l10n-hu_2.4.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[11:23] <ulysses> I can't test now, I have to go. I'll be back in 2 hours
[11:26] <kelemengabor1> Riddell: this looks to have them, yes
[11:28] <Riddell> dpm: do you know if the calligra-l10n translations got imported?
[11:31] <dpm> Riddell, kelemengabor1, looking
[11:40] <rbelem> Riddell, heya :-)
[11:45] <Riddell> hi rbelem 
[11:46] <rbelem> Riddell, could you update the kubuntu active meta to use the kwinactive package?
[11:46] <rbelem> :-)
[11:46] <dpm> Riddell, kelemengabor1, looking at the Launchpad imports stats, I don't think the whole of the KDE translations uploaded recently + calligra will be imported in time, so they will have to be shipped in the next language pack update shortly before release
[11:47] <Riddell> rbelem: kde-window-manager-active ?
[11:47] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[11:47] <rbelem> Riddell, thanks :-)
[11:48] <Riddell> dpm: you mean they're still working their way through the system somehow?
[11:48] <kelemengabor1> dpm: can you see the approved calligra translations? where are they?
[11:48] <rbelem> Riddell, do you think i'm ready to become a kubuntu developer? So I could make these small fixes by myself :-)
[11:49] <dpm> Riddell, exactly, let me show you the stats on a pm (the LP graphs are only accessible to members of the canonical group)
[11:50] <Riddell> rbelem: could well be, the recent split of kde-workspace for active should be proof of your elite skills
[11:50] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D
[11:51] <Riddell> rbelem: e-mail the kubuntu-devel list asking for a meeting if you want to go for it, using the doodle.com website for scheduling
[11:51] <dpm> kelemengabor1, let me re-check
[11:52]  * rbelem hugs Riddell 
[11:52] <rbelem> :-D
[11:52]  * koolhead17 finds so much hugging in this channel. :P
[11:52] <Riddell> we're friendly like that
[11:53]  * rbelem hugs koolhead17 
[11:53] <koolhead17> :P
[11:53]  * koolhead17 mutes
[11:53] <rbelem> sharing our happiness
[12:03] <Riddell> koolhead17: see, aren't we more fun than the server team? :)
[12:05] <koolhead17> Riddell, server team is fun 2 :P
[12:06] <Riddell> yeah I know, that Davey encourages quite irresponsible behaviour in a hot tub as NCommander found out!
[12:07] <Riddell> ScottK: kdevelop and kubuntu-active-meta uploaded should you be in a reviewing mood
[12:08] <ScottK> Universe isn't frozen yet, so should be easy.
[12:08] <ScottK> Unseeded that is.
[12:14] <Riddell> yofel: lp:~yofel/software-properties/lp-944876 needing looked at?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> hey all
[12:58] <dpm> kelemengabor1, I believe the calligra translations have not yet even been approved. I've sent you the details on an e-mail
[13:02] <kelemengabor1> dpm: okay, but in any case, shouldn't we see the po files in some queue? because I can't even see the unapproved po files, and this is where I get nervous :\
[13:03] <dpm> kelemengabor1, ah, you mean in the templates themselves, good point
[13:11] <BluesKaj> we have a guy over at #kde saying "startx" is obolete :) He claims  "s/Xorg/X/ " is the new proper command
[13:11] <BluesKaj> is he correct?
[13:12] <NCommander>  /lastlog NCommander
[13:12] <NCommander> er
[13:12] <BluesKaj> I thought I'd get verifiacation fdrom devs :)
[13:12] <NCommander> Riddell: I plead the 5th.
[13:13] <Riddell> BluesKaj: he's wrong
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Riddell, he claims debian is a medieval distro ..trying to be provocative I suppose
[13:15] <Riddell> BluesKaj: don't be afraid to /kick :)
[13:16] <BluesKaj> i have no power to kick anyone , but i wouldn't ...I think he was just expressing a misguided opinion 
[13:20] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ok I was too harsh, but I'd say something like "best not insult the teams who make free software work, especially in forums which they stay in"
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Riddell, agreed , he was just trying to start a pi**ing contest about distros , and wasn't about to get involved in a silly argument about tastes 
[13:26] <BluesKaj> and I wasn't 
[13:48] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I installed kdevelop from the ppa and altho i don't use it , or even know how , it launches fine :)
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^ 
[13:49] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: thanks alot!
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's compiling now in precise-proposed, if you can tell me when it's done I can copy it to precise-release
[13:51] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:51]  * shadeslayer starts on ktp
[13:52] <shadeslayer> ERROR:.././../tests/test-new-dribble.c:666:void bad_candidate_test(): assertion failed: (global_lagent_state == NICE_COMPONENT_STATE_FAILED) << What a omnious  assert
[13:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what is there to do with ktp?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: basically just a new bug fix release, nothing major, grab new tarballs and package
[13:57] <shadeslayer> Also, please add appropriate watch files to the packages, something I forgot last time
[13:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I uploaded 0.3.1 already
[13:58] <shadeslayer> ohh
[13:58] <shadeslayer> sweet!
[13:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: when did you package it? Because ScottK was poking me last night to do it
[14:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: before he noticed :)
[14:00] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:00] <ScottK> Very nice.
[14:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but if you're looking for things to do this needs worked out if anything needs done with it lp:~yofel/software-properties/lp-944876
[14:01]  * shadeslayer looks
[14:02] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'll try and figure out how to do it properly tonight
[14:42] <agateau> Riddell: hey, is it too late for a new release of lightdm to go in?
[14:43] <Riddell> agateau: hmm, I don't know
[14:43] <Riddell> agateau: lightdm itself?
[14:43] <Riddell> that's in main isn't it?
[14:43] <agateau> Riddell: mmm, no I meant lightdm-kde
[14:43] <Riddell> oh i see, that's universe so should be fine
[14:44] <agateau> Riddell: actually David would love to have this evening to hack on it, would it still be ok tomorrow?
[14:46] <Riddell> UnseededUniverseFinalFreeze (Tue)
[14:47] <Riddell> so I think you have all week
[14:47] <Riddell> but it's not unseeded if you could kubuntu active
[14:47] <Riddell> so your main guy to ask is if rbelem is happy with it
[14:47] <Riddell> a/could/count/
[14:49] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[14:49] <agateau> rbelem: hi, is it fine with you to have a new tarball for lightdm-kde tomorrow?
[14:50] <Riddell> agateau: it'll be fine, David is d_ed?
[14:50] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[14:50] <rbelem> agateau, yup :-) It probably contains more fixes and features
[14:50] <agateau> it does :)
[14:52] <rbelem> agateau, let me know when it hits the repos, so i can test it :-)
[14:52] <agateau> rbelem: sure
[14:52] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: here?
[16:09] <zorael> Now that akonadi (1.7.0-0ubuntu3) has its mysql backend as dependency, what's the correct solution for the problem/question at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1960064 ?
[16:10] <zorael> is there a point to eg. akonadi-backend-sqlite anymore?
[16:11] <Riddell> zorael: you should be able to install akonadi-backend-sqlite and use it, but it's not the recommended back end
[16:11] <Riddell> (by upstream)
[16:15] <zorael> Riddell: okay, so is this a bug: http://i.imgur.com/ktMhk.png ?
[16:17] <Riddell> zorael: well it's not a feature!
[16:17] <zorael> ;3
[16:27] <BarkingFish> Evening all. Just a word to the wise, one of the packages which got upgraded overnight is not correctly signed, I can't upgrade it - either through apper or the command line.
[16:27] <BarkingFish> I don't know which one, cause I have about 30 packages to update, totalling 33.1MB
[16:27] <zorael> seems it only ever offers to pick between the mysql and postgresql backends regardless of which ones are installed.. tested on two machines and on a new user :/
[16:28] <zorael> I'll file a bko bug.
[16:29] <Riddell> BarkingFish: mirror error probably
[16:30] <BarkingFish> well I filed a bug on apper a while back, with part of the issue - you get asked if you want to install the unsigned packages, click yes and it sends you round in circles until you click no.
[16:30] <BarkingFish> I filed that way back early in 11.10
[16:30] <BarkingFish> it was closed as fixed; i guess it's not :)
[16:41] <ScottK> Use muon then.
[16:42] <BarkingFish> ScottK, nothing will perform the update - not even through the command line.  I don't know which package is shot though.
[16:43] <BarkingFish> The last time this happened, i dropped to tty1 and did the update through there
[16:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: It Works™
[16:44] <ScottK> BarkingFish: As Riddell said, probably a bad mirror.  Wait a bit.  Do sudo apt-get update.  Try again.
[16:45] <BarkingFish> ok, i'll give it a shot again in about 12 hours
[16:45] <BarkingFish> It's not gonna kill me, there's just some updates to flash player, libc6, etc
[16:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: whut works
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Stupid GMail, doesn't even tell me whats wrong
[16:50] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, the update to flashplayer is redundant if you have libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[16:51] <BarkingFish> i don't have, BluesKaj 
[16:51] <BarkingFish> i have flashplugin-alternative.so
[16:53] <BluesKaj> ok , well if it works .... 
[16:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: software-properties hack
[16:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: ah
[16:55] <shadeslayer> But it's a hack :P
[16:55] <yofel> yeah, proper fix should be using dbus,  but I've no time currently to rewrite that
[16:56] <shadeslayer> GMail is completely down for me @_@
[16:56] <shadeslayer> doesn't even work from the phone
[16:59] <shadeslayer> aha : http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=issue&ts=1334687399000&iid=a88855ea3653b5d2f71d98b0b8906f84
[17:00] <shadeslayer> well ... good time to play ME2 I guess
[17:16] <Darkwing> Does Calligra work with doc/docx with just opening and editing or, will it save as the doc/docx as well?
[17:18] <bulldog98> Darkwing: it is supposed to save to doc/docx too, but I don’t know how reliable that is
[17:18] <Darkwing> hmmz, I'll ahve to install and test... where do we hold it in the ppa?
[17:20] <bulldog98> Darkwing: it’s in backports I think or in precise universe
[17:20] <Darkwing> ahhh good.
[17:21] <ScottK> It's in precise universe
[17:21] <Darkwing> Thanks. Installing.
[17:21] <Darkwing> ohhh, New ICS build for my Galaxy S :D
[17:46] <zorael> I'm still looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1960064 where the user can't install KDE from the oneiric ppas, now that akonadi-server depends on akonadi-backend-mysql which depends on mysql, as he's using a drop-in replacement for mysql which conflicts with it
[17:46] <zorael> https://launchpad.net/percona-server
[17:47] <zorael> Wouldn't it be more tidy if the akonadi backends (mysql, postgresql, sqlite, odbc) provided an akonadi-backend virtual package?
[18:17] <zorael> I built akonadi locally after some changes to debian/control (http://pastie.org/3805783), and now I can uninstall the mysql backend (akonadi depends akonadi-backend provided by akonadi-backend-{mysql,postgresql,sqlite,odbc})
[18:18] <Peace-> yofel: :) kde-service-menu-vlc - 0.7.0-1ubuntu0~ppa1 
[18:24] <zorael> An alternative would be to let akonadi-backend-mysql depend on virtual-mysql-server instead of mysql-server-core-5.1 and mysql-client-core-5.1, I guess. Maybe.
[20:04] <yofel> zorael: can you file a bug against akonadi so that's not forgotten at least?
[20:04] <zorael> yofel: okay, will do
[20:04] <yofel> thanks!
[20:29] <ScottK> Anyone else having trouble with "Failed to get D-Bus interface of mailfilteragent." on precise with kmail?
[20:29] <ScottK> Anyone using Kmail on precise and not having that problem would be good to know too.
[20:43] <Darkwing> ScottK: I'm using KMail... no errors.
[20:44] <Darkwing> Hmmz, no options to save as Doc/Docx in Calligra
[20:45] <yofel> ScottK: works fine here as well
[20:46] <Darkwing> IMAP and POP3 both working well.
[21:12] <ScottK> Disconnected IMAP?
[21:12] <ScottK> Actually I don't think it matters since I get the error when I try to send mail too.
[21:12] <yofel> ScottK: I use disconnected IMAP - works fine now for a month
[21:13] <yofel> normal imap works too on another system here, can't test pop3
[21:18] <ScottK> ok
[21:25] <BarkingFish> yofel: what do you need testing with pop3?
[21:26] <Darkwing> BarkingFish: ScottK is having KMail issues.
[21:26] <BarkingFish> ah.
[21:26] <BarkingFish> Which version of KDE are you on, ScottK, and which version of Kmail?
[21:27] <ScottK> I must have data corruption of some kind.
[21:27] <ScottK> 4.8.2 on precise.
[21:27]  * ScottK isn't using pop3 though.
[21:29] <BarkingFish> Hm. I am, and pop3 runs fine here.  
[21:29] <BarkingFish> I just wondered cause yofel mentioned not being able to test pop3, it runs ok on the latest kmail
[21:29] <Darkwing> ScottK: You using Generic IMAP? That's what I'm using.
[21:29] <ScottK> DIMAP.
[21:29] <BarkingFish> What kind of problems are you having?
[21:30] <Darkwing> ScottK: Lemme set it up and see what it does...
[21:31] <yofel> only issue I have with it is kde bug 277912, but that's been broken since they moved that to akonadi
[21:31] <BarkingFish> i'd test this end too, but none of my email services use DIMAP as far as I know, i wouldn't know where to set that up anyway
[21:32] <ScottK> BarkingFish: The D part is just disconnected.
[21:32] <ScottK> It's a matter of if you keep a local copy of everything.
[21:33] <ScottK> It doesn't require any server side support.
[21:33] <BarkingFish> ah.  i don't understand it frankly, my ears only perked up at "pop3" :)
[21:33] <Darkwing> ScottK: working in disconnected mode works here... I don't knwo if there is more that i need to do...
[21:35] <ScottK> Probably just me.