[00:08] <ctjctj> What is the best way to file a bug?  12.04 with apt-get update dist-upgrade from April 16th, 11am EST.  Using "ubuntu" session nm-applet only has the following menu items: Enable Networking, Connection Information, Edit Connections...  If you kill nm-applet and restart it then you get the full menu: Network Device name,  Connection Name, Disconnect separator for each network device.  VPN sub menu, separator, fooled by Enable Networkin
[00:08] <ctjctj> g, Connection information, edit connections...
[00:31] <tomodachi> can i upgrade from the beta to the full release without any major hickups?!
[00:32] <Belial`> tomodachi, just keep upgrading as normal and you'll be on the full release when it's actually released.
[00:32] <Belial`> and there shouldn't be any issues.
[00:32] <Belial`> *shouldn't* be. it's no different from updating your system the normal way.
[00:36] <tomodachi> great :)
[00:36] <tomodachi> im planning a little pre install party 2 morrow for around 10ppl
[00:36] <tomodachi> cant wit!
[00:36] <tomodachi> wait
[00:36] <tomodachi> well goodnight everyone!
[00:36] <scb> That just can't go wrong.
[00:37] <tomodachi> i wont be able to upgrade myself , thats wrong though
[00:37] <tomodachi> my machine hosts the netboot images along with a package proxy / cache
[00:37] <tomodachi> ill do it myself later
[00:38] <tomodachi> *poof*
[00:38] <scb> *just* what I meant.
[00:49] <agoodm> i have a weird audio problem in 12.04 :(
[00:54] <scientes> agoodm, explain more
[00:54] <scientes> agoodm, and google "ubuntu sound troubleshooting"
[00:54] <agoodm> x220, with docking station
[00:54] <agoodm> audio works correctly undocked
[00:54] <agoodm> and sort of works docked
[00:54] <scientes> agoodm, usb?
[00:54] <agoodm> no direct mini jacks
[00:55] <scientes> what program is playing audio?
[00:55] <agoodm> im using skype...
[00:55] <scientes> and does the dock have headset ports?
[00:55] <scientes> ahh, try with rhythmbox first
[00:55] <agoodm> when both my mic and headset is plugged into the dock station the output sound is being mixed with the mic signal creating feedback
[00:55] <agoodm> if I play music the other person heard it
[00:56] <scientes> other person?
[00:56] <agoodm> when I plug the headset direct into the laptop and the mic into the base it all works correctly
[00:56] <scientes> you mean that headphone detection isn't working?
[00:56] <agoodm> im in a skype call...
[00:56] <scientes> oh, they are getting your mic
[00:56] <scientes> well , anyways we really cant support skype
[00:56] <scientes> sounds like you have a "monitor" functionality on
[00:56] <agoodm> but if my mic and headset are both on the dock the audio being played is mixed and with my mic signal and the other person is hearing it
[00:56] <scientes> that you need to turn off
[00:57] <agoodm> its not a skype problem its an audio problem
[00:57] <agoodm> when the mic is plugged in the dock and I play music I see the sound graph spike in settings even with the mic muted on the headset cord
[00:57] <agoodm> yes its like monitor is turned on if both are plugged into the dock and I cant find where to turn it off
[00:58] <agoodm> ive looked in alsamixer etc
[00:58] <scientes> pastebin lspci -n
[00:59] <agoodm> http://pastebin.com/N4vbGnzM
[01:03] <scientes> yeah you go google around, i cant find anything interesting
[01:04] <agoodm> id already googled before coming here
[01:04] <scientes> the module is snd-hda-intel
[01:04] <agoodm> perhaps I should file bug
[01:04] <scientes> try #alsa and then file a bug
[01:04] <scientes> but it definitely sounds like a bug
[01:04] <agoodm> cheers
[01:07] <agoodm> where should I file the bug?
[01:08] <scientes> launchpad, against alsa
[01:09] <scientes> or pulseaudio
[01:09] <scientes> you really should turn off pulseaudio and check if you still have the problem then
[01:09] <gaelfx> I'm having trouble accessing Samba shares, I have no idea where to start addressing the problem, any help?
[01:10] <agoodm> how do I disable pulse without uninstalling it
[01:10] <scientes> gaelfx, i'm not sure if the recent remote root exploit in samba has anything to do with it, but you should be aware and make sure you are running a patched version
[01:10] <scientes> agoodm, not sure anymore
[01:10] <gaelfx> scientes: how would I do that?
[01:11] <scientes> i've done it in the past for high-fidelity hardware (sound blaster live)
[01:11] <scientes> gaelfx, make sure your packages are up to date with apt
[01:11] <Belial`> someone else in here has to be having this autohide issue with the unity launcher that i'm having. when you click an app on the launcher, and don't move the mouse, the launcher hides itself even if the cursor is still hovering over the icon.
[01:11] <Belial`> unless you move the cursor almost immediately up or down, the launcher will hide again.
[01:12] <Belial`> shouldn't it stay revealed as long as the cursor is over the icon?
[01:12] <gaelfx> scientes: well, they definitely are up to date, the thing is, I have no trouble accessing the share on my Android device, just on this computer I'm having trouble
[01:12] <roothorick> can I get a widget for the unity bar to switch screen rotation on the fly?
[01:13] <scientes> gaelfx, well how are you mounting it, the mount command it quite archaic as you have to squash user permissions as samba doesn't support any comcepty of user permissions
[01:14] <gaelfx> scientes: I navigate there from nautilus using smb://
[01:14] <gaelfx> scientes: I had a bookmark that was working until an update a few days ago
[01:14] <scientes> gaelfx, its probably that your host changed
[01:15] <gaelfx> scientes: I use the IP address for the machine, which is reserved for that machine
[01:15] <gaelfx> scientes: hostname has never worked, I'm assuming that's an issue with my router though
[01:16] <scientes> gaelfx, hostnames have to be set up special inside a NAT if you have that
[01:17] <gaelfx> roothorick: isn't there a hotkey combo for doing that?
[01:17] <roothorick> is there?
[01:18] <gaelfx> roothorick: checking
[01:18] <roothorick> though, that still wouldn't be all that useful as the keyboard isn't useful when the screen is folded over
[01:18] <roothorick> er, isn't usable
[01:19] <roothorick> my ultimate goal is to make ubuntu fully functional completely sans-keyboard so I can do the slate thing
[01:19] <gaelfx> roothorick: ah, gotcha
[01:19] <roothorick> part of that is the rotation
[01:20] <roothorick> see, if I'm in laptop mode, then fold the screen over to slate mode, now the screen is upside down
[01:20] <roothorick> apparently magick rotation can fix that automatically thanks to hp_wmi
[01:21] <roothorick> but does magick rotation even work with precise?
[01:21] <gaelfx> roothorick: out of curiosity, what hardware are you using?
[01:22] <roothorick> HP Pavilion tx2000
[01:22] <roothorick> RAM upgrade, otherwise stock
[01:22] <roothorick> (it's a convertible tabletPC, the Wacom variant)
[01:23] <gaelfx> I've been considering buying a cheapo Chinese tablet and throwing Ubuntu on it for kicks, but I never considered how hard it would be to get stuff like that done
[01:24] <roothorick> hahah
[01:24] <roothorick> this is something a bit older, something Microsoft and Wacom collaborated on shortly before Vista
[01:25] <roothorick> laptop guts, Wacom digitizer, and it's supposed to go with an OS that's optimized for a pen digitizer interface
[01:25] <gaelfx> how do you make irssi autorun commands when it starts up?
[01:26] <roothorick> my experience with this laptop has been pretty impressive. It's the amazing every-computer. Strong CPU with VM capabilities, discrete GPU, the digitizer is pretty good
[01:26] <roothorick> I'm just trying to take care of some usability kinks related to slate mode
[01:26] <scientes> roothorick, have you seen onboard?
[01:27] <roothorick> scientes: I've seen the motherboard, yeah. I had to take the thing apart because the fan was blocked and it kept going into thermal shutdown
[01:28] <roothorick> scientes: the GPU is in its own BGA package next to the CPU, with a north bridge a few inches away
[01:28] <scientes> roothorick, no im talking about "onboard" on-screen keyboard
[01:29] <roothorick> scientes: the what?
[01:29] <roothorick> ...oooh
[01:29] <roothorick> apparently it's already installed...
[01:29] <gaelfx> roothorick: one of those handy-dandy accessibility progs ;)
[01:30] <roothorick> stick that in the unity bar!
[01:30] <roothorick> ...or not, it won't let me
[01:32] <roothorick> I like it, but I really need it to be on the unity bar and I can't get it to stick
[01:34] <roothorick> ...oh, it puts an icon in the top bar
[01:35] <roothorick> still not ideal though, I want one-click access
[01:36] <scar3crow> roothorick: if it's in the menu, you can put it in the unity bar
[01:36] <roothorick> I can bring it up with a search, I can drag it over to the unity bar, it says "Drop to Add Application"
[01:36] <roothorick> but when I release the button it just disappears and the icons snap back
[01:37] <scar3crow> make a duplicate entry somewhere else with alacarte and use that one ;)
[01:38] <scar3crow> if it works, delete the original
[01:38] <gaelfx> roothorick: can't you open it, then it should appear in the bar and you can lock it to launcher?
[01:38] <roothorick> it doesn't appear in the bar when it's open thoughh
[01:39] <scar3crow> odd
[01:39] <gaelfx> roothorick: does it appear on the top panel?
[01:39] <roothorick> yeah
[01:39] <gaelfx> roothorick: can you get preferences from the panel icon and make it appear in the bar?
[01:39] <scar3crow> was thinking the same thing
[01:39] <roothorick> I can get to preferences but none of the options seem to make it appear in the bar
[01:41] <scar3crow> figured out the hard way today that sudo cannot write to ramfs :-/
[01:42] <scar3crow> roothorick: try what I said and make a new menu entry, it'll prolly work
[01:43] <roothorick> this is interesting
[01:43] <roothorick> Bug 917386
[01:44] <scar3crow> the unity bar has a hide button?
[01:44] <roothorick> apparently things have been changed
[01:45] <scar3crow> perhaps I should look for updates :P
[01:45] <gaelfx> roothorick: try showing floating icon when it's hidden
[01:46] <gaelfx> roothorick: you can add it to startup and start it hidden, easy 1 click access
[01:46] <roothorick> I'm just gonna leave the floating icon in the corner of the screen for now
[01:46] <gaelfx> scar3crow: OB has hide button
[01:47] <scar3crow> OB?
[01:47] <roothorick> onboard
[01:48] <scar3crow> sorry, I'm confused?
[01:48] <roothorick> it's an onscreen keyboard for systems that don't always have an easily accesible keyboards (for instance, tablet PCs)
[01:48] <scar3crow> ooooooooohhhhhhhhhh
[01:48] <scar3crow> k
[01:49] <gaelfx> and it's surprisingly aesthetic, despite following the awful purple orange theme
[01:49] <scar3crow> cool feature... too bad it's broken. how do I enable it so I can plaY?
[01:49] <roothorick> purple orange theme?
[01:50] <roothorick> scar3crow: it's installed by default in precise, you can launch it from a search or from the universal access CP
[01:50] <scar3crow> hey... how can I change my kde app icons without installing kde?
[01:54] <zenergi> would it be considered a bug if do-release-upgrade to precise dev branch overwrites /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistend-cd.rules ?  (it causes all drives to be renamed with a 1 after them)
[01:59] <gaelfx> roothorick: I think it was around 10.04 Canonical decided to use a purple and orange theme, I hate it
[02:02] <led-bandit> one thing about the official theme is it seems smooth
[02:13] <roothorick> ...goofy
[02:14] <roothorick> I reboot to make some udev rules take effect, and now onboard is in the unity bar
[02:14] <gaelfx> good times
[02:14] <roothorick> I wanna know why my touchscreen calibration isn't being applied
[02:15] <gaelfx> so I can't access another machine on my network using the hostname, but I can access using LAN IP address, how can I make hostnames route tot he proper machine?
[02:15] <roothorick> hosts file, or private DNS setup
[02:15] <roothorick> well, I suppose you could write up something to make WINS work at the gethostbyname() level
[02:16] <led-bandit> gaelfx, samba or what?
[02:16] <roothorick> led-bandit: samba isn't going to make firefox resolve WINS names
[02:17] <led-bandit> sorry didnt read that gaelfx was talking about firefox my bad
[02:17] <roothorick> well, he may not be
[02:18] <roothorick> but samba's NBNS/WINS stuff is exclusive to samba, it can't resolve names for other programs
[02:18] <roothorick> unless things have changed since I last looked into it
[02:18] <gaelfx> led-bandit: Samba, Transmission Web Client
[02:18] <gaelfx> led-bandit: pretty much anything
[02:19] <roothorick> gaelfx: I just manually write an /etc/hosts file and download it to my various machines by hand whenever I change it
[02:19] <gaelfx> I realize it's probably a router issue, but I was hoping someone here might have an idea
[02:20] <roothorick> gaelfx: it's more a "Linux doesn't do NBNS/WINS at an OS level like Windows does" thing
[02:20] <roothorick> gaelfx: so you need a centralized solution... or /etc/hosts
[02:20] <gaelfx> :/ well, thanks for thinking about it
[02:21] <dustinspringman> gaelfx: WIndows uses "NETBIOS" to resolve hostnames on LAN's... its terribly insecure.. and has been the target of many worms such as "blaster, sasser, etc"..
[02:21] <roothorick> dustinspringman: awfully convenient though...
[02:21] <roothorick> dustinspringman: and FWIW, WINS isn't itself insecure...
[02:21] <dustinspringman> roothorick: true..
[02:21] <gaelfx> dustinspringman: there's no way to probe the network's machines and automatically get their hostnames?
[02:21] <roothorick> hell, NetBIOS isn't itself insecure
[02:22] <roothorick> gaelfx: well, you can do so manually, but "ping WINSNAME" et al isn't possible on Linux
[02:22] <gaelfx> I guess it's time I suck it up and edit hosts
[02:22] <roothorick> I said "at an OS level", I'm pretty sure Samba has a facility where you can give it a WINS name and it'll spit out an IP
[02:22] <roothorick> but again, it's completely manual
[02:23] <dustinspringman> gaelfx: you might try nmap and use appropriate switches to get the hostname from the windows host
[02:23] <roothorick> nmap would work too :3
[02:23] <led-bandit> you can also tell samba to look up by bcast
[02:24] <roothorick> honestly though, OS-level NBNS/WINS in Ubuntu would be *awesome*
[02:25] <roothorick> oh my, things have changed apparently
[02:25] <roothorick> I found a thread on gentoo forums about enabling WINS resolution on Linux
[02:26] <roothorick> gaelfx: you'll have to translate this from Gentoo to Ubuntu, but this could give you exactly what you want: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-631997.html
[02:26] <gaelfx> led-bandit: I just edited my /etc/hosts file so it works on this machine, so it's fine for now, I just need to remember to do it when I get the new one
[02:27] <roothorick> gaelfx: it'll only find Windows hosts and hosts running Samba though
[02:27] <roothorick> I should say, hosts CURRENTLY running Samba (specifically nmbd)
[02:28] <gaelfx> roothorick: meh, I should get more comfortable editing files like hosts, I'm just lazy so I didn't wanna do it beofre
[02:28] <gaelfx> *before
[02:28] <led-bandit> gaelfx, who do you use for dns ?
[02:28] <roothorick> I'm gonna keep it open
[02:28] <roothorick> it'd be neat to pop open Nautilus in a crowded coffeeshop and see everyone's hostnames
[02:28] <led-bandit> some people have problems using name resolution with opendns and smart dns providers
[02:29] <shape> Is there a website to see with what packages Ubuntu 12 will come with?
[02:29] <gaelfx> led-bandit: my Chinese ISP :S there's no hope of switching here, except for using VPN
[02:29] <shape> I'm especially interested in what vlc version will come with it
[02:29] <roothorick> shape: I don't think VLC is installed by default
[02:30] <gaelfx> he means in the repos
[02:30] <shape> roothorick: Yes, but depends what version the repos will freeze it at
[02:30] <gaelfx> 2.0.1 I believe, that's what I have now
[02:30] <roothorick> shape: I have 2.0.1 installed straight from the main repos right now
[02:30] <shape> that's what im interested to find out.
[02:30] <gaelfx> and I believe they won't be changing anything from here on out
[02:30] <roothorick> shame :( I'm still getting periodic X crashes
[02:30] <shape> roothorick: From the repos in Precise?
[02:31] <roothorick> shape: yeah, my laptabletop runs Precise :)
[02:31] <gaelfx> shape: indeed
[02:31] <shape> Good to know!
[02:31] <gaelfx> what I want to know is when MPlayer will release a stable 1.0
[02:32] <roothorick> gaelfx: somewhere around the same time Valve releases Half-Life 3
[02:35] <gaelfx> I want a touchscreen e-ink tablet that only runs terminal and an onscreen keyboard
[02:35] <roothorick> touchscreen and e-ink seem to be things the market doesn't want to mix unfortunately
[02:36] <gaelfx> Kindle :D
[02:36] <roothorick> every Kindle is either non-touchscreen or LCD afaik
[02:37] <roothorick> oh, huh. apparently the Touch is e-ink touchscreen
[02:37] <roothorick> I thought it was a monochrome LCD, heh
[02:37] <roothorick> I think the problem you would run into is that e-ink is VERY slow
[02:38] <gaelfx> I just want it to ssh into my main box and use as a remote of sorts
[02:38] <roothorick> you'd type something out and it'd take several seconds for what you typed to blit onto the screen
[02:38] <DrManhattan> i can't get my software raid devices partitioned
[02:38] <DrManhattan> I tried out alternate, now Im trying server
[02:38] <gaelfx>  /end o-t
[02:38] <roothorick> just get a Fire, root it and install an ssh client
[02:39] <DrManhattan> but after I create the devices, they dont show up in the partitioner
[02:39] <roothorick> the Fire is ridiculous, it's like 85% battery by weight
[02:39] <roothorick> about its only redeeming feature, it can go for weeks on a charge
[02:39] <roothorick> anyway
[02:39] <roothorick> back to getting magick-rotation to go
[02:40] <roothorick> apparently have to reboot... again?
[02:41] <DrManhattan> anyone? do I need to type something in at boot to get software raid working properly?
[02:47] <scar3crow> I am running oracle java 7 I want to install vuze... how do I do it without installing icedtea and openjdk?
[02:47] <gaelfx> DrManhattan: can I assume you've already checked the documentation about software raids online?
[02:48] <DrManhattan> yes, it just isn't doing what it is SUPPOSED to be doing
[02:48] <DrManhattan> after I create the raid devices, they don't show up in the partitioner
[02:49] <DrManhattan> if I go back in and select delete raid device I can see and delete it
[02:50] <gaelfx> DrManhattan: what partitioner are you looking at? Disk Utility or GParted?
[02:50] <DrManhattan> the command line partitioning tool in the ubuntu installer
[02:51] <gaelfx> DrManhattan: so you have no GUI installed I take it?
[02:51] <MountainX> hi. are there any major problems with the latest upgrades, or is it safe to run all updates now?
[02:51] <DrManhattan> no, two bare disks in AHCI
[02:51] <gaelfx> DrManhattan: I mean are you using Ubuntu Server or Desktop or what?
[02:52] <gaelfx> MountainX: still in Beta, so it's always a little dangerous
[02:52] <gaelfx> MountainX: what are you most worried about going wrong, maybe we can assuage any fears you might have about upgrading if you tell us
[02:52] <DrManhattan> gaelfx, I have tried alternate, I am trying server as we speak
[02:53] <MountainX> it has been really good for me. I don't have any problems. I was just checking to make sure they were no big issues.
[02:54] <gaelfx> DrManhattan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/925280
[02:55] <gaelfx> MountainX: Big issues are relative ;) What might be a big deal for me, might not be a big deal for you
[02:55] <DrManhattan> gaelfx, yeah I can't get to the "I then created the three partitions"
[02:56] <MountainX> gaelfx: mainly hoping that the latest upgrades won't break anything that is working now
[02:56] <DrManhattan> the raid device doesn't show up, so I can't create a partition for it
[02:56] <MountainX> I last updated about 4-5 days ago. Everything is working well enough for me.
[02:58] <gaelfx> MountainX: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Wait for a week or two after stable
[02:58] <DrManhattan> yeah they still dont show up in the partitioner, this blows
[02:58] <DrManhattan> so sad
[02:59] <gaelfx> DrManhattan: sorry, I got no experience with CLI partitioner. I'm too much of a GUI guy
[03:00] <DrManhattan> well in the gui it would be the same
[03:00] <DrManhattan> it just shows 3 scsi devices, no raid devices
[03:04] <Yojiro> I'm on precise (12.04) right now. I'm having segfaults with conky whenever my config file uses execi or texeci with an interval greater than system uptime. Help would be appreciated.
[03:07] <DrManhattan> yeah partitioner on server doesn't work either
[03:07] <DrManhattan> no software raid, which means I can't use ubuntu yet.
[03:07] <DrManhattan> ugh.
[03:07] <roothorick> how do I find the right value for InputClass?
[03:07] <roothorick> for MatchProduct
[03:08] <DrManhattan> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/29525/
[03:16] <DrManhattan> ok, going to try a daily build, then I'll give up on 12.04 till final release
[03:16] <roothorick> seriously, where the hell does MatchProduct come from?
[03:17] <roothorick> ...apparently it matched, but my calibration values weren't applied
[03:18] <Petrox> hi
[03:18] <Petrox> Can someone please paste me (http://paste.ubuntu.com/) a dpkg --get-selections on a 12.04 default desktop 32bit install?
[03:18] <Petrox> I've just upgraded a machine, and gdm does not start, maybe I'm missing a package, and a default getselections would set me back on track
[03:19] <bazhang> Petrox, presumably you mean lightdm
[03:19] <DrManhattan> im going to try 11.10 and see how that goes
[03:19] <bazhang> Petrox, is this gnome? why not install the metapackage ubuntu-desktop if so
[03:19] <Petrox> :) maybe :) I didn't really care for the first letter of *dm in the last few years :D
[03:21] <Petrox> bazhang; I've got ubuntu-desktop, and even installed gnome-desktop-environment
[03:21] <Petrox> It was gnome an hour ago :)
[03:23] <Petrox> asd
[03:23] <Petrox>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log has a segmentation fault at 0x11b :(
[03:25] <Petrox> I'll try reconfiguring Xorg, and removing a fwe keyboards and mice :)
[03:27] <DrManhattan> ok trying the daily build of alternate 12.04
[03:27] <DrManhattan> then 11.10
[03:28] <DrManhattan> then self-hanging after teste punches
[03:28] <Petrox> ok, the problem was: usb keyboard + usb mouse + usb HID (wireless keyboard with mouse)... after removing the latter, start lightdm works
[03:28] <Petrox> but if I plug in the device, X dies instantly
[03:32] <Petrox> bazhang: Do you know where should I report Xorg segfaults? I can take a video, can attach xorg.log, I may even install debug symbols if needed... but don't know where to report this
[03:32] <bazhang> Petrox, bug you mean?  /msg ubottu bug for more info
[03:33] <Petrox> bazhang: segfault is not a "designed" way of exiting I think :)
[03:34] <DrManhattan> the nightly build doesn't have the software raid issue! please remember that for others!
[03:35] <bazhang> DrManhattan, add to the existing bug report then no one will have to remember
[03:36] <DrManhattan> hmm I dont think I have the accounts and everything set up
[03:37] <DrManhattan> bazhang, my apologies but can I have the link again plz?
[03:37] <bazhang> !bug
[03:37] <bazhang>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/925280
[03:37] <bazhang> or that
[03:37] <DrManhattan> no that isnt it either
[03:38] <DrManhattan> im not worried about it if its in the nightly it will be in the final and that's what, 10 days off?
[03:38] <bazhang> could be
[03:38] <DrManhattan> yeah so such is life with betas, itll be ok
[03:39] <DrManhattan> 10.04 is solid too, it's all good
[03:39] <DrManhattan> yay! its installing
[03:40] <DrManhattan> I found an 80 dollar mobo on newegg with 4 pci and 2 pci-e X1's on it, i'm tempted to buy it and toss 4 pci tv cars and 2 pci-es in there for a home security box
[03:40] <DrManhattan> cards
[03:41] <DrManhattan> would be so sick for zoneminder
[03:47] <roothorick> Figured out my xorg.conf issue. Protip: xinput_calibrator is wrong. It's TopX/BottomX/TopY/BottomY not MinX/MaxX/MinY/MaxY
[03:48] <roothorick> on an only tangentally related note, the linux-phc PPA doesn't have Precise kernels yet :(
[03:50] <roothorick> I don't know if I should bother manually rolling a kernel or not
[03:54] <DrManhattan> oh wow, alternate lets me install a scaled down system!
[03:54] <DrManhattan> with a desktop kernel
[03:54] <DrManhattan> just what I need
[03:54] <roothorick> it's downright trivial to change kernels later, if you're using official kernels, you know :)
[03:54] <DrManhattan> I'll need generic-pae but w/e
[03:54] <DrManhattan> yeah
[03:55] <DrManhattan> that's fine just the scaled down part
[03:55] <DrManhattan> I really liked that about debian and now it looks like i found out how to do this with ubuntu as well
[03:55] <roothorick> I'm strongly considering rolling a custom kernel with the phc patches
[03:55] <roothorick> I want a kernel as close in setup to the official as possible, just with the phc feature
[03:55] <DrManhattan> I haven't used ubuntu in a while, so it's nice to see how much progress has been made in the past few years. What a professional looking product, and very easy to use so far
[03:56] <roothorick> no idea how to approach that
[03:56] <DrManhattan> I hope it lets me boot though, installing grub on software raid is notoriously disastrous
[03:56] <roothorick> I haven't had issues
[03:57] <DrManhattan> not on the stable releases, no
[03:57] <DrManhattan> on a nightly build of an almost released beta? we'll see
[03:57] <roothorick> then again, my server's /boot is MD RAID1
[03:57] <DrManhattan> installing grub now
[03:57] <DrManhattan> installing to mbr
[03:57] <roothorick> actually, the whole thing is RAID1
[03:57] <DrManhattan> me too
[03:58] <roothorick> I plan to move it to a multi-terabyte RAID5 array holding everything eventually
[03:58] <DrManhattan> im just putting it on one big partition
[03:58] <roothorick> I think at that stage what I'll do
[03:58] <roothorick> is have just one drive with /boot but have a copy of it in the RAID5
[03:58] <DrManhattan> wtf do I care, its mirrored and if it fails more than that I'll be backed up anyhow
[03:58] <roothorick> might need LVM to make that transparent
[03:58] <DrManhattan> no straight up raid should do it
[03:58] <roothorick> not 100% sure LVM can do it actually
[03:58] <DrManhattan> rebooting knocking on wood
[03:59] <roothorick> ooh, nice
[03:59] <roothorick> stock ubuntu config is right in the package
[03:59] <DrManhattan> nice - it worked!
[03:59] <roothorick> I think I'll give it a crack anyway
[04:00] <roothorick> normally I wouldn't care but this is an HP from the screaming-banshee-of-death era
[04:00] <DrManhattan> ok so sorry about not filing any bug reports, idk where to file but if anyone has issues with software raid or raid at all tell them to try out the daily alternate
[04:01] <bazhang> DrManhattan, I told you where to file...
[04:02] <DrManhattan> bazhang, im not really up to filing a new bug, I don't have an account or anything yet and I really am not feeling to hot
[04:02] <DrManhattan> too
[04:02] <DrManhattan> but that's a nice discovery that I can do a little minimal install, very happy with that
[04:03] <DrManhattan> that's as easy as it used to be in debian too
[04:03] <DrManhattan> a few more steps than in 2001
[04:03] <bazhang> absent, the odds of someone scrolling through all this and seeing it, let alone a developer seeing it, are very low, but OK
[04:03] <DrManhattan> bazhang, it's all good they have it fixed in the nightly's anyhow
[04:04] <DrManhattan> 10 days from now it's just in the ether
[04:04] <DrManhattan> or 12
[04:04]  * DrManhattan shrugs
[04:04] <bazhang> plenty of time for regressions as well
[04:06] <DrManhattan> if that happens I'll report it
[04:06] <roothorick> in addition, a regression would be a new bug, wouldn't it? :)
[04:11] <DrManhattan> geez and it sets up the video devices effortlessly
[04:11] <DrManhattan> both the ati card and the bttv are automatically ready to go in /dev/video
[04:11] <DrManhattan> that's friggin sweet autodetection and setup for a bare install
[04:13] <DrManhattan> impressive - funny how I end up liking linux more for the non guidesktop baloney
[04:27] <DrManhattan> ok here we go
[04:27] <DrManhattan> two bttv, 1 713x, and one ati 550 pro
[04:30] <DrManhattan> yeesh thats a fast reboot
[04:32] <DrManhattan> ok so when I boot it loads some sort of vesa-like screen for a half-second and I'd like to prevent that
[04:38] <mgeneral> Anyone hearing of random logouts/lockups/reboots/Xorg crashes in 12.04 64bit?
[04:39] <roothorick> as it turns out, linux-phc itself hasn't been updated since the 2.6 kernels :(
[04:39] <bazhang> segmentation fault at 0x11b   mgeneral ?
[04:41] <PakLang> empathy on 12.04 kindaf clunky
[04:42] <mgeneral> bazhang, not entirely sure, I haven't been able to track down the problem
[04:42] <horusofoz> Will ubuntu 12.04 support USB3 on my ASUS Z68-M Pro mobo?
[04:42] <bazhang> mgeneral, yes, there have been some issues reported, just a short while ago actually; have you considered filing a bug
[04:42] <mgeneral> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/976383 already filed a bug
[04:43] <DrManhattan> hmm, can I load a module more than once?
[04:43] <roothorick> horusofoz: well, the host controller should be supported...
[04:43] <mgeneral> just looking to see if anyone else is experiencing it and whether or not anyone got any further than I did with tracking it down.
[04:43] <DrManhattan> I thought i could, say if I wanted to put two of the same tv card in there
[04:45] <horusofoz> roothorick: Sorry can you qualify that for a noob?
[04:46] <roothorick> horusofoz: whether any of your USB3 devices would be supported is anyone's guess
[04:48] <mgeneral> roothorick, ubuntu 11.10 supports my usb3 controller and my color turn usb3 flash drive, if that is of any help for you.
[04:48] <roothorick> horusofoz: hear that? I'd say you'll be just fine
[04:50] <mgeneral> sorry, exhausted from biking. Miss-highlighted.
[04:51] <horusofoz> Thanks All :)
[04:53] <PakLang> PakLang 12:50:52
[04:53] <PakLang> any idea how to make ubuntu (using 12.04) green,save electricity/power consumption friendly?
[04:53] <bazhang> PakLang, check in the power management settings first?
[04:54] <PakLang> I had it default...any specific apps to install? I believe ubuntu not as green as windows 7?
[04:55] <PakLang> ok i try to make ubuntu as green as windows 7 :)
[04:55] <DrManhattan> ok so I have the msp3400 module loaded but I don't have a /dev/video3
[04:55] <bazhang> PakLang, by green you mean what precisely? please be very specific
[04:56] <PakLang> bazhang means power consumption efficient/saving as i intend to on my laptop for a long time
[04:56] <bazhang> PakLang, yes, I know what green means in the generic sense. what settings have you checked in ubuntu, what exactly is lacking etc etc etc
[04:58] <PakLang> i used to use an app call grano.la since it doesn't work yet on precise maybe i can manually config it?
[04:58] <bazhang> PakLang, whats the exact package name please
[04:59] <PakLang> try visit http://grano.la/
[04:59] <PakLang> i dont think it's on the repo
[05:00] <mgeneral> Well, I'm going to try a clean installation of ubuntu and see if things stabilize. I'm not holding my breath though.
[05:01] <bazhang> PakLang, it's software that provides CPU cooling?
[05:06] <PakLang> well im not sure what it does technically but I do know it saves energy http://grano.la/software/about_granola.php
[05:06] <PakLang> for Ubuntu and servers im just looking for an alternative
[05:06] <PakLang> since 12.04 version is not released yet
[05:07] <bazhang> PakLang, looks like you want some kind of server monitor
[05:08] <bazhang> PakLang, that has very little to do with being green however
[05:09] <mgeneral> kpowersave probably does everything that grano.la does.
[05:10] <mgeneral> cpu scaling, power schemes, dynamic power profiles, brightness/dimming
[05:10] <bazhang> could well be. from that grano.la link it looks to be more marketing than anything
[05:11] <PakLang> bazhang no that software works on my laptop...my ubuntu 12.04 beta2 in on thinkpad T400
[05:11] <DrManhattan> nice, so I have /dev/video0-2 and /dev/dvb/adapter0
[05:11] <PakLang> mgeneral thanks...any thing for gnome/unity
[05:11] <PakLang> kpowersave = for KDE right?
[05:11] <mgeneral> affirmative.
[05:12] <bazhang> PakLang, so search in package manager for powersave packages, there's nothing special about gran.la
[05:12] <PakLang> ok thanks
[05:12] <DrManhattan> wow, I think you guys got yourselves a new user
[05:12] <PakLang> well i found powernap from synaptic :)
[05:12] <DrManhattan> very, very impressive
[05:13] <mgeneral> DrManhattan, working with a dvb tuner?
[05:17] <DrManhattan> just need the svideo input
[05:17] <DrManhattan> im sad though I dont think there's a v4l2 interface to the dvb device, is there/
[05:45] <ANub> hey
[05:45] <ANub> I've got a question........Since Ubuntu is Opensource and freeware.....why new version is released every 6 months (too fast).....why cant Ubuntu just keep on fixing the issues and then major developments are released in new version
[05:46] <bazhang> ANub, you probably meant to ask that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:48] <ANub> i dont know ...i'll ask it there as well
[05:49] <bazhang> ANub, this channel is for bug fixing and support of 12.04  ; chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:54] <tokinwhiteman> Hey guys, Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2, my ryhthymbox player freezes when i point the file path to my winodows music file, is that normal?
[06:06] <gaelfx> tokinwhiteman: how are you trying to open the file?
[06:07] <tokinwhiteman> I go to the music path selection, and set the file path to my windows music file
[06:08] <tokinwhiteman> Edit>preferences> music>library location>browse>windows partition>users/username/music in rythymbox
[06:15] <tokinwhiteman> nevermind, sorry gaelfx, i tried again and this time didn't freeze and seems to be working.
[06:20] <ActionParsnip> Surprised this place isn't jumping
[06:24] <tokinwhiteman> I'd say it because the final beta is real stable.
[06:26] <alphanum> hello
[06:29] <ActionParsnip> tokinwhiteman: since alpha1 I've only had mild niggles. Otherwise its been fine
[06:31] <spy6> hi there
[06:31] <spy6> (was redirected from #ubuntu :)
[06:31] <spy6> i'm trying to start unity-2d via x2go ... until 12.04 it worked with starting "gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d" after connect ... starting unity-2d via lightdm works ... did there anything change?
[06:32] <tokinwhiteman> ActionParnship: the only issue I had was with alpha2 and that was on my desktop with nvidia drivers with dual monitors. Otherwise beta 2 on my laptop has been pretty awesome.
[06:32] <spy6> when calling "gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d" via x2go the launcher doesn't appear
[06:32] <spy6> was there anything changed with precise starting a unity-2d session
[06:33] <spy6> ?
[06:40] <_r00t_> Hi, this is strange .... can you upgrade from 11.10 to the beta via do-release-upgrade -d ? src : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[06:42] <spy6> _r00t_: indeed, that worked like a charme some days ago here ;)
[06:43] <bazhang> !info linux
[06:47] <kaushal> when is 12.04 is going to be released ?
[06:47] <kaushal> Apr 26th ?
[06:47] <spy6> 26.04.
[06:47] <kaushal> ok
[06:48] <kaushal> what would be the default FS available on 12.04
[06:48] <kaushal> ext4 or btrfs ?
[06:59] <magn3ts> Does ubiquity write to a file?
[06:59] <_r00t_> thanks spy6 ... I always thought that upgrading to beta and then to stable was not possible. My bad !
[06:59] <magn3ts> And why is it telling me that it's removing conflicting operating system files... it should bjust be formatting. Should I worried that I'm losing data?
[07:00] <_r00t_> !final
[07:01] <magn3ts> I hope this bug gets fixed in the next week. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/924660
[07:01] <magn3ts> :[
[07:01] <_r00t_> but apt-get dist-upgrade removes obsolete packages .... isn't this dangerous ?
[07:02] <magn3ts> Oh there's a workaround, woot.
[07:03] <DrManhattan> anyone here got any experience with v4l-dvb?
[07:03] <DrManhattan> I need my dvb device to have a v4l2 interface
[07:06] <_r00t_> do-release-upgrade invokes screen .... how do I detach from the screen so that it runs in the background ?
[07:06] <_r00t_> eg ctrl-a d
[07:07] <_r00t_> awesome it worked !
[07:13] <_r00t_> actually that didn't work :(
[07:14] <_r00t_> Does anyone know what the correct procedure is for detaching from do-release-upgrade ? Many thanks
[07:21] <_r00t_> ok no problem... I've worked this out. Will post an update today
[07:31] <magn3ts> where. does. ubiquity. log. to.
[07:41] <Star2012> hows flash working in 12.04
[07:44] <MasterOf1isaster> Hi, I encountered this issue with groupwise and precise: http://paste.ubuntu.com/932173/ - The version that I use worked fine with oneiric
[07:57] <torpor> hi
[07:57] <torpor> can someone tell me why my fresh ubuntu 12.04 (32bit) install only sees 2gigs of the 8gigs of RAM in my PC?
[07:58] <torpor> i heard that 32-bit ubuntu can only address ~3.5gigs, but i seem to recall hearing somehwere that 32-bit ubuntu can use more RAM than this if you use PAE or something .. is this something that can be turned on or am i forced to switch to 64-bit?
[07:58] <MasterOfDisaster> torpor: user 64bit
[07:58] <MasterOfDisaster> *use
[07:58] <torpor> no other way, eh?
[07:59] <torpor> so is there some simple way to upgrade to 64-bit from this running system, or is it a total fresh install?
[07:59] <mysteriousdarren> torpor: even if things are switched over, you would have better luck just installing 64 bit
[07:59] <mysteriousdarren> torpor: things break
[07:59] <torpor> ok so i'll re-do this system then.
[07:59] <torpor> thanks.
[08:00] <Jordan_U> !pae | torpor
[08:00] <torpor> thanks ubottu thats what i thought.
[08:00] <Jordan_U> torpor: That said, I would still recommend re-installing and going with 64 bit.
[08:00] <torpor> its sort of a hassle to re-do the running system though
[08:01] <torpor> one thing: i  didn't install with 8gigs of ram, only 2gigs.  so the installer didn't enable PAE on the system.  i've since put in 8gigs, and how does one enable PAE after installatation?
[08:04] <Jordan_U> torpor: See the page from ubottu.
[08:05] <dupondje> I vote for 64bit also :)
[08:05] <dupondje> no single reason to use 32bit imo
[08:06] <torpor> i guess it will be easier to just upgrade to 64-bit than it will be to re-build my kernel.
[08:06] <torpor> but isn't it the case that 64-bit desktop is not so great right now?
[08:06] <dupondje> why ?
[08:06] <Star2012> most people use 32bit
[08:06] <dupondje> you wont see any difference
[08:06] <matanya> me niether
[08:06] <matanya> 64 is better
[08:07] <torpor> ok i'll just do the switch then.
[08:07] <dupondje> all computers have 4GB+ RAM, then its recommended to use 64bit
[08:07] <dupondje> and these days all apps on linux are for 64bit
[08:07] <dupondje> and for the exceptions there is always ia32-libs :)
[08:07] <MasterOfDisaster> there were some things to consider in years past, but they have been ironed out (flash, java plugin, proprietary drivers, etc.)
[08:07] <torpor> ok
[08:07] <torpor> good to know
[08:08] <torpor> thanks!
[08:18] <magn3ts> Another ubuntu release, another release in which the pointer can not correctly be changed
[08:19] <matanya> magn3ts: more details?
[08:20] <magn3ts> matanya: step 1: try to change mouse pointer
[08:20] <magn3ts> there is no step 2.
[08:21] <magn3ts> god golly unity is sure shaping up wonderfully
[08:35] <MasterOfDisaster> btw, in case anyone wonders - I fixed my groupwise issue - missing dependency
[08:36] <jokerdino> magn3ts: did you try gnome-tweak-tool to change your pointer?
[08:45] <ANub> when is the expected date for release of 12.4 (not beta)
[08:45] <matanya> 26.4
[08:45] <jokerdino> check the release schedule in the /topic ^^
[08:47] <ANub> 9 days to go
[08:47] <scientes> wow, considering how much is broken
[08:47] <scientes> and that its a LTS
[08:51] <kim_> hi
[08:52] <kim_>  I have problems with the new intalltion of xubuntu 12.04, the CPU-Temp is too high,... 58° but there is no cpu load over 2% (htop)
 echo -e '\x6d\x6f\x6f' | xargs apt-get , did not help,.. :(, any idea how to solve this prob ?
[08:59] <tokinwhiteman> Anyone else in love with the short cuts keys and hud?
[09:01] <dupondje> scientes: whats broken ?
[09:02] <tokinwhiteman> anyone know if you can add a firefox bookmark filter / lense for the dash?
[09:18] <tokinwhiteman> anyone know if you can add a firefox bookmark filter / lense for the dash?
[09:22] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. short question; I isntalled the new kubuntu/beta and have some problems, when downloading any sort of file it does not recognize any installed apllications to open certain files, like pdf, debian packages, directories..  etc...
[09:23] <howlymowly> is there a speific package I would have to install, to make it work for some reason in kubuntu 11.10 this used to work
[10:37] <MonkeyDust> if I installed the beta 2 now, will it be updated to the 'regular' LTS after the official release, or will I have to download and install again?
[10:46] <Myrtti> MonkeyDust: it will be updated
[10:46] <MonkeyDust> Myrtti  tnx
[10:51] <MechanisM> hi after some updates about a day ago or so I'm unable to see unity on login. so i'm using unity-2d or gnome-shell. how to fix unity?
[10:52] <MechanisM> i'm pretty sure drivers installed correctly coz I see 3d awn with transparency etc.
[10:53] <MechanisM> system settings unable to open for a long time
[11:02] <Lint> how to change a font?
[11:04] <jdrab> Lint: the easiest way is to install gnome-tweak-tool or myUnity from ppa
[11:06] <MonkeyDust> isnt myUnity integrated in precise?
[11:07] <jdrab> i have no idea i'm a kubuntu user
[11:09] <jdrab> "MyUnity is a third-party application, not official part of the Unity project."
[11:09] <MonkeyDust> jdrab  yes, but I guess it's in the repos, as of 12.04
[11:11] <jdrab> MonkeyDust: i don't think it's in repos, i'm using 12.04 but i can't find it. only in myunity ppa
[11:17] <bobweaver> this is the backgrpund for 12.04 I just noticed that there was a ubuntu-wallpaper upgrade on my system two days ago and I like it a lot http://postimage.org/image/vflf6qjet/full/
[11:47] <kim_> hallo, any body know how tu activate "energysave" funktion of arandale i5 cpu? It ist always tooo hot in idle ,.. 58°
[11:59] <Lint> I installed updates, and now have no wired network
[11:59] <Lint> my adapter refuses to obtain IP4 address
[12:01] <Partyschaum> hi, just upgraded from 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS beta2. somehow i've the xubuntu splash screen installed. anyone knows how to switch back to the standard ubuntu splash screen?
[12:03] <ironm> hello. Does the current ubuntu-server 12.04 image include PV-kernel modules/drivers for xen? Thank you in advance for any hints.
[12:04] <jtrucks> ironm: I am running it on top of xen...
[12:04] <ironm> jtrucks, how do you mean that?
[12:05] <jtrucks> my 12.04 beta2 installation is on a xen based VPS host.
[12:05] <jtrucks> is that what you were after?
[12:06] <ironm> jtrucks, not quite (even if also very interesting). Just PVM for 12.04 (with XCP 1.5 as host)
[12:06] <jtrucks> dunno that, sorry
[12:07] <ironm> jtrucks, I have tried to run xen on top of ubuntu-sever 12.04 but stopped it as I didn't find enough information
[12:07] <jtrucks> ironm: oh I see...
[12:08] <ironm> jtrucks, can you run PVM clients (with ubuntu-server 12.04) on your ubuntu-server 12.04 based xen host?
[12:08] <ironm> jtrucks, with HVM ubuntu-server VMs the network performance is quite low
[12:09] <jtrucks> I don't know... I'm not sure what the xenserver under the hood is (I didn't ask), but my guest (is that the right term?) VPS works quite well.
[12:09] <jtrucks> it's been so long since I've managed anything xen related I don't remember enough to be useful :(
[12:09] <jtrucks> and I didn't do it much even then.
[12:11] <ironm> jtrucks, was is difficult to install your guest VPS on top of ubuntu-server based xen. Can you maybe recommend some links, please?
[12:12] <ironm> I am testing in parallel KVM on ubuntu-server 12.04 and it works in connection with virt-manager really great
[12:12] <jtrucks> I don't know what the xen server underneath is running. They fired up my VPS guest as Ubuntu 10.10, I did a dist-upgrade to 12.04 beta2, and it runs perfectly fine now.
[12:14] <ironm> jtrucks, have you tested your network speed on your ubuntu guest VM?
[12:14] <jtrucks> of course, the company that hosts my VPS is owned and managed by a co-author of "Book of Xen" from No Starch Press...
[12:14] <jtrucks> yes.
[12:14] <ironm> I see
[12:14] <jtrucks> > 100Mbps from my colo to the VPS. the colo is several hundred miles away from the VPS.
[12:15] <ironm> it is really fast ... I have got only 4 - 12MBits / sec
[12:16] <jtrucks> disk speed tested with dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/somefile bs=8k count=256k gets 120MB/s - 193MB/s
[12:16] <ironm> with CentOS based PVM the speed was over 30Mbps
[12:16] <jtrucks> it's on a fairly beefy machine that is not oversubscribed, though, which helps.
[12:17] <ironm> jtrucks, I have tested with 500MB sized files (using ramdisk)
[12:17] <jtrucks> I have burstable to 6 cores, 4M RAM, too.
[12:17] <jtrucks> what did you use to test the network?
[12:17] <jtrucks> I used iperf
[12:17] <ironm> just scp
[12:19] <jtrucks> install iperf, it's pretty accurate for pure network testing.
[12:19] <ironm> may I ask, what command line do you use for your tests jtrucks ?
[12:21] <jtrucks> iperf -c $servername
[12:21] <jtrucks> to start the server use iperf -s
[12:22] <jtrucks> and it listens on a default port.
[12:22] <jtrucks> to test between two points
[12:22] <ironm> yes .. thanks a lot jtrucks :)
[12:22] <jtrucks> sure
[12:25] <Lint> I installed updates, and now have no wired network
[12:25] <Lint> my adapter refuses to obtain IP4 address
[12:51] <Kolt> Hi! I have a sony vaio laptop, and I upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 and its not even bootable, and neither is in recovery mode or with previous versions. With previous versions its a blank black screen with moust.
[12:55] <ironm> Kolt, you could download current live image for 12.04 and check if you can successfully boot from USB stick
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> Kolt: tried the boot option: i8024.nopnp
[12:57] <Kolt> ActionParsnip: how do I do that?
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> Kolt: gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub     add it in the quotes with: quiet splash     save the new file, close gedit then run:  sudo update-grub
[12:58] <Kolt> but I cant even boot the system
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> Kolt: hold shift at boot, you can add it there. Do you use proprietary video drivers?
[13:05] <Kolt> ActionParsnip:  I held shift now im in the grub menu
[13:05] <Kolt> ActionParsnip: I dont know about the driver
[13:20] <Lint> I installed updates, and now have no wired network
[13:20] <Lint> my adapter refuses to obtain IP4 address
[13:25] <Oli> Anyone how to add a volume applet/indicator to the Gnome Panel?
[14:31] <smallfoot-> help, ubuntu shippin in few days
[14:31] <smallfoot-> and this bug still not fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/973559
[14:35] <Daekdroom> smallfoot-, I don't think it's such a big deal because GNOME Classic session is not shipped by default.
[14:39] <agoodm> how do I control which services start at startup?
[14:39] <smallfoot-> but unity sucks, so i use gnome-classic
[14:45] <penguingirl> Hey guys, grub got deleted from my system... how do i restore it?
[14:45] <ironm> agoodm, man insserv
[14:47] <Arnold> penguingirl, you mean the packages, or that it doesn't boot up with GRUB anymore?
[14:51] <xubuntuUSER> hi is it in daily build 12.04 rc6 enabled by default ?
[14:51] <smallfoot-> xubuntuUSER, idk, but i think that was backported to the kernel in 12.04, cuz i think its supposed to be in 3.3, but ubuntu use 3.2
[14:51] <smallfoot-> so i think rc6 works in 12.04
[14:52] <jbwiv> guys, I suspect (based on reading bug reports) that pm-utils is causing some unwanted disk writes. I proceeded to uninstall it with apt, but apt wants to uninstall gnome-session as well? Anyone know why/how to get around?
[14:54] <xubuntuUSER> ok thx  smallfoot-  i know it will be in 3.3 i  read on site it wil be enabled in 12.04 , im interest is it in daily build ! i will wait for 26 of aplil and install it ! thx
[15:02] <smallfoot-> xubuntuUSER, its backported from 3.3 to 3.2, so rc6 works in today on 12.04
[15:23] <fishcooker> can i get main repository of PP
[15:24] <fishcooker> my country repository is suck
[15:24] <ratcheer> Precise is really starting to shape up. One of my main complaints was high memore use, and it has gone down considerably in the past few days.
[15:27] <fishcooker> anyone
[15:27] <fishcooker> with main repository?
[15:36] <Lint> I installed updates, and now have no wired network
[15:36] <Lint> my adapter refuses to obtain IP4 address
[15:37] <ratcheer> Lint: Is your ethernet card detected? sudo lspci -v
[15:38] <Lint> there is eth0 device
[15:38] <Yojiro> fishcooker: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/
[15:39] <fishcooker> i'll check it yojiro
[15:39] <fishcooker> arigatou
[15:39] <fishcooker> for quick response
[15:39] <ratcheer> Lint: Sure. Run that command and let us know what your ethernet chipset is and what the "module in use" is.
[15:40] <Lint> it should be sky2 module
[15:43] <philinux> Lint:  If not already tried you could left click on network icon edit connections and delete the entry. Network manager should regenrate a new connection.
[15:44] <Lint> I don have a network icon
[15:45] <Lint> why dhclient doesn work?
[15:59] <philinux> Lint: Try running nm-applet from a terminal see if icon pops up
[16:10] <jdhfr> My network card misbehaves when newest kernel is used, why
[16:13] <moonpython> Hey! I installed an instance of 10.04 LTS after I installed 12.04 and now 10.04 is the default boot... how do I fix this?
[16:16] <ratcheer> moonpython: Go into Precise. Run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" <<-- or whatever your boot device is.
[16:18] <moonpython> ratcheer: I get this fun error http://www.pasteall.org/30978
[16:18] <jdhfr> when that  junk is going to be released?
[16:20] <ratcheer> moonpython: Just the device name, not the partition. E.g., /dev/sda, not /dev/sda2
[16:21] <moonpython> ratcheer: Okay.. .and that is it?
[16:22] <ratcheer> moonpython: Yes, it should put Precise back in control of your grub setup.
[16:22] <jdhfr> my network card doesn't work with newest installed kernel, why?
[16:22] <moonpython> Great, ratcheer, and then I should be able to delete the 10.04 partition? (Before when I did it, it broke grub)
[16:23] <ratcheer> moonpython: Yes, if that's what you want to do. Then afterwards, on Precise, you need to run "sudo update-grub"
[16:24] <moonpython> ratcheer: Before a reboot?
[16:25] <BarkingFish> evening guys. I'm gonna need some help here.  I have 33.1mb of upgrades to do from the overnight works, and one or more of the packages hasn't been correctly signed - apper is moaning about it, and even sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade at the command line won't do the work.
[16:26] <BarkingFish> Any ideas on how to find out which of the packages is unsigned, without me unticking one by one and trying to update?
[16:26] <ratcheer> moonpython: Yes. Drop the 10.04 partition, then update-grub, then reboot. Make sure the grub-install works first, though.
[16:26] <ratcheer> moonpython: In Precise ^^^
[16:26] <topyli> jdhfr: boot into a kernel that does work :)
[16:30] <moonpython> Okay, ratcheer one more question... so if I delete the other partition, I have some space left over, but I cannot claim that space back in precise because (in gparted) the grub instance is in between... what do I do?
[16:31] <ratcheer> moonpython: Someone else will have to help you with that one. I have to go.
[16:33] <glosoli> why the hell Ubuntu One change units from Kilobytes to Kilobits ?
[16:46] <rye> good question
[16:57] <gnomefreak> what is the apport command to add info to a bug? "apport-support bug#"?
[16:58] <kklimonda> apport-collect
[16:59] <jdhfr> WHEN that junk is going to be RELEASEd?
[16:59] <kklimonda> in a week
[16:59] <BarkingFish> jdhfr, What junk?  You mean precise?
[16:59] <BarkingFish> Booked date for release is 4/26/12
[16:59] <jdhfr> yes. it is junk :(
[17:00] <rye> glosoli: thank you for your message, I reviewed the code and found that it's a bug on the presentation, that field is indeed KiB :-/
[17:00] <jdhfr> it has tons of bugs
[17:00] <frybye> jdhfr - good that you are reporting them so effeciently - soon they will be no more then...
[17:01] <glosoli> rye: no problem :) Happy to be helpful instead of ignorant :>
[17:01] <BarkingFish> this is why it's being beta tested, jdhfr - the whole purpose of beta testing is to catch bugs and get them resolved before the release goes out
[17:01] <gnomefreak> thanks kklimonda
[17:01] <kklimonda> please, don't feed the troll
[17:01] <glosoli> rye: also tbh honest I am not sure if -1 should be in the place if speed is not limited :>
[17:01] <bazhang> jdhfr, file some bugs
[17:01] <frybye> kklimonda: good point...
[17:02] <BarkingFish> I will say that calling it "junk" is not welcome, imo - a lot of people are working on that "junk", as you put it.  If you don't like the distro, others are available. Find one.
[17:02] <bazhang> !bug | jdhfr
[17:02] <BarkingFish> and kklimonda - regardless of troll or not, people are working to fix this, and I'm offended at those comments.
[17:03] <frybye> BarkingFish: can also understand that approach...
[17:03] <spacebug-> since there are problems with colors in latest flashplugin and nvidia, how can I get hold of older version?
[17:03] <bazhang> spacebug-, blue tint?
[17:03] <spacebug-> bazhang: yes
[17:03] <spacebug-> shifted channels red/blue
[17:04] <bazhang> spacebug-, try fullscreening the flash video then disabling hw acceleration
[17:04] <gnomefreak> bazhang: spacebug- someone yesterday had that issue as well. IIRC he was on 64bit
[17:04] <bazhang> gnomefreak, yeah its a known issue that usually fixes it
[17:04]  * gnomefreak was unable to reproduce the issue
[17:04] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[17:05]  * glosoli heard some of his friends on Windows getting something like blue tint with latest flash player. 
[17:05] <spacebug-> bazhang: thanks, that could maybe do for a while
[17:05] <bazhang> the only real solution is to nuke adobe from outer space
[17:06] <spacebug-> ;)
[17:06] <bazhang> just to be sure
[17:06] <spacebug-> many videos on youtobe are converted to html5 now anyway but some still are flash
[17:07] <glosoli> spacebug-: have you joined HTML5 in YouTube ?
[17:07] <BarkingFish> spacebug-, you can opt out of the html5 trial
[17:07] <glosoli> spacebug-: http://www.youtube.com/html5 here it is in case you wondering
[17:07] <BarkingFish> i did, i'm solely using flash playback
[17:07] <spacebug-> glosoli: ok, I'm gonna take a loog. thanks
[17:08] <glosoli> It might be just my luck, but I hadn't run in any flash video in youtube since that HTML5 Trial
[17:08] <spacebug-> it says I am
[17:08] <glosoli> aaah good then :)
[17:08] <spacebug-> ;)
[17:08] <glosoli> so probably you are just unlucky ;D
[17:09] <spacebug-> though it says !h.264 ..hum
[17:09] <glosoli> FF ?
[17:09] <spacebug-> no plugin for that ?
[17:09] <spacebug-> yes
[17:09] <glosoli> Not supported
[17:09] <spacebug-> ah
[17:09] <spacebug-> chrtomium?
[17:09] <spacebug-> +spelling hehe
[17:09] <glosoli> Chrome works fine
[17:09] <glosoli> for me
[17:09] <spacebug-> ok
[17:09] <jdhfr> does precise have 2 wines?
[17:09] <glosoli> Some problems with WebGL and HTML5 Full Screen on ATI for some people like me, others are just fine
[17:10] <spacebug-> ok
[17:10] <jdhfr> and I'm stll waiting for help with my network card
[17:10] <glosoli> spacebug-: I read somewhere that FF at first denied to use h.264 now they are thinking or doing something for that idea
[17:11] <spacebug-> glosoli: oh I see.. hum strange
[17:11] <glosoli> spacebug-: same goes for Flash Player, afaik no response from Mozilla for Flash Future on Firefox
[17:11] <glosoli> in Ubuntu
[17:14] <rye> interesting, remmina works the same buggy way no matter whether i leave gtk_fullscreen(window) there or comment it out.
[17:15] <rye> umm, should have been in #ubuntu-unity :)
[17:17] <jdhfr> why nautilius is no longer nautilius?
[17:17] <gnomefreak> huh?
[17:17] <glosoli> jdhfr: "nautilus
[17:17] <jdhfr> anyway
[17:17] <glosoli> jdhfr: what's wrong with it ?
[17:17] <glosoli> name it, explain it
[17:18] <bazhang> jdhfr, you spelled it wrong
[17:18] <jdhfr> when its docked its not named as it is
[17:18] <glosoli> jdhfr: it is :)
[17:18] <gnomefreak> everyone picked up on the spelling but not the comment?
[17:18] <bazhang> jdhfr, thats not correct
[17:18] <glosoli> jdhfr: it is just a caption :)
[17:18] <glosoli> jdhfr: saying Home Folder makes more sense for newbies :)
[17:19] <jdhfr> and when i use menu search, it's called my files or similar
[17:19] <glosoli> jacob: it is called Files ,because it is file management app
[17:19] <glosoli> jacob: package name is nautilus
[17:19] <bazhang> glosoli, its jdhfr
[17:20] <gnomefreak> home folder doessnt fit the full words
[17:20] <glosoli> oh sorry..
[17:20] <gnomefreak> file seems to block folder
[17:20] <glosoli> jdhfr:  it was meant for you not for jaco..
[17:20] <jdhfr> now, how to trobleshoot my network card? it is detected but not operanle under latest kernel
[17:21] <bazhang> jdhfr, boot to one that does
[17:21] <jdhfr> bazhang: and...
[17:21] <glosoli> jdhfr: May I ask you something  ?
[17:21] <jdhfr> just ask
[17:21] <bazhang> jdhfr, you really should not be on a development release if you dont want to file any bugs at all
[17:21] <glosoli> jdhfr: I  don't want to sound rude, why you are not using Oneiric ?
[17:22] <jdhfr> bazhang: its not devwelopment release its NEXT WEEK release
[17:22] <glosoli> Precise Pangolin is yet for people who like to experiment
[17:22] <glosoli> It is STILL IN DEVELOPMENT
[17:22] <gnomefreak> jdhfr: still devel
[17:22] <bazhang> jdhfr, thats wrong
[17:22] <glosoli> We are gathering here because we like to report problems, we like Final release to be as stable as we can make it :)
[17:23] <glosoli> We are always expecting that everything in DEVELOPMENT Release can go wild
[17:23] <jdhfr> still, april is being done in two weeks, and if you want to say EVERYTHING will be fixed, I don;t believe you
[17:23] <bazhang> jdhfr, so being in here and calling it junk, not filing bugs and demanding fixes is not the way to go
[17:23] <glosoli> jdhfr: drop that attitude.
[17:23] <bazhang> jdhfr, so stop doing that
[17:23] <cypher-neo> I found an interesting possible bug related to the latest update on Precise. Can anyone help me confirm this?
[17:24] <cypher-neo> Here's what I've found...
[17:24] <cypher-neo> In the latest update, when you install something from the USC the icon flies from the USC screen to the Dash bar on the left hand side of the screen.
[17:24] <cypher-neo> Pretty cool, by the way!
[17:25] <philinux> cypher-neo: thats not a bug but a new feature
[17:25] <cypher-neo> Anyway, the possible bug I noted is that when you uninstall a program that exists in the Dash bar, the icon and program do not go away, except once you restart.
[17:25] <gnomefreak> what is USC?
[17:25] <philinux> gnomefreak: software center
[17:25] <bazhang> gnomefreak, software center
[17:25] <DrManhattan> is it possible to get a v4l interface to my dvb card?
[17:26] <gnomefreak> oh that
[17:26] <cypher-neo> philinux, Oh I know! And I love the new feature. But uninstalling doesn't remove the icon.
[17:26] <philinux> cypher-neo: just right click and unlock from launcher
[17:26] <gnomefreak> cypher-neo: try removing it from synaptic or terminal see if it works as excpected
[17:27] <cypher-neo> philinux, I know I can do that. But what I'm saying is, the update was included to make it easier for new users to find their programs... how would a new user react if the icon stays after uninstalled?
[17:27] <cypher-neo> philinux, Understand my reasoning?
[17:28] <gnomefreak> how would it work if you installed say 10 packages, do all of them show up in the launcher (doesnt make sense to do that)
[17:28] <philinux> cypher-neo: raise a bug
[17:29]  * gnomefreak wonder what happens when i fill y launcher 
[17:29] <philinux> gnomefreak: you get a down arrow to expand it
[17:29] <gnomefreak> philinux: thanks :)
[17:29] <cypher-neo> philinux, Okay, I'd be happy to bug report this. Where do I do that?
[17:30] <philinux> gnomefreak: I've got rid of most of the default ones
[17:30] <gnomefreak> philinux: me too
[17:30] <philinux> cypher-neo: terminal > ubuntu-bug unity
[17:30] <philinux> cypher-neo: you need a launchpad account
[17:31] <gnomefreak> cypher-neo: in launchpad.net, you really shouldnt be using devel release if you dont know how/where to file bugs. if you have an account in LP just use ubuntu-bug packagename
[17:31] <cypher-neo> philinux, I'm not sure if I remember my Launchpad password...
[17:32] <philinux> cypher-neo: https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password
[17:32] <philinux> gnomefreak: Hey we need new testers. Peeps gotta start somewhere
[17:33] <jbicha> cypher-neo: I think that's already been reported as bug 981488
[17:33] <gnomefreak> philinux: to an extent but i agree
[17:34] <philinux> jbicha: Nice and fix committed too
[17:41] <cypher-neo> jbicha, Ahh! You are correct!
[17:41] <cypher-neo> jbicha, Instead of reporting a new bug, I just confirmed that bug 981488 affected me too.
[17:42] <philinux> cypher-neo: get your password sorted 12.10 testing not far off.  https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password
[17:42] <cypher-neo> philinux, I got it sorted. :)
[17:42] <philinux> Nice one
[17:44] <PatrickC> I have an external HDD I want to install 12.04 on.. how would I go about doing that?
[17:45] <PatrickC> the external is almost 3x the size of my internal.. hence the wanting to install ubuntu on it :)
[17:45] <philinux> PatrickC: I'd just use it for data
[17:45] <PatrickC> really?
[17:46] <philinux> PatrickC: What you got installed on the internal.
[17:46] <jtaylor> how is the external connected?
[17:47] <PatrickC> philinux: but if one wanted to install ubuntu on the external, for you know, portability reasons, how would he go about it?
[17:47] <PatrickC> USB
[17:47] <jtaylor> 2?
[17:47] <PatrickC> USB 2.0, yes
[17:47] <jtaylor> its likely to not perform well via usb connected externa
[17:47] <philinux> Slow
[17:47] <PatrickC> really? that stinks
[17:48] <PatrickC> so internal would be the best bet?
[17:48] <philinux> PatrickC: I got 12.04 on a 4gig usb stick. Thats nice and portable
[17:48] <jtaylor> I recommend putting lvm on your internal for better flexibility when partitioning
[17:48] <PatrickC> jtaylor: is lvm available for windows?
[17:48] <PatrickC> that's the main OS :P
[17:48] <jtaylor> probably not
[17:48] <PatrickC> hence why I want ubuntu on the external
[17:48] <PatrickC> no need to repartition windows then
[17:49] <philinux> PatrickC: Shrink winders and dual boot of internal. Use External for storage
[17:49] <PatrickC> I think I'll just use WUBI again
[17:49] <PatrickC> then external for storage
[17:49] <PatrickC> like you suggested
[17:49] <philinux> PatrickC: wubi not meant for long term use
[17:50] <PatrickC> really?
[17:50] <philinux> PatrickC: yep developer says so. Just to test buntu
[17:50] <PatrickC> I've been trying to stay away from repartitioning... hmm...
[17:51] <philinux> PatrickC: I've an acer 1410 with win 7. I used win 7 to shrink windows then installed as dual boot. I also used easybcd to boot to ubuntu
[17:52] <philinux> PatrickC: choices eh
[17:52] <PatrickC> easybcd?
[17:53] <philinux> PatrickC: the acer is running 12.04 really nice too
[17:53] <PatrickC> bdedit with a GUI :P
[17:53] <PatrickC> my Gateway ran 11.10 really nice too
[17:53] <PatrickC> till the HDD crashed lol
[17:53] <philinux> PatrickC: Mt acer was still under warranty so I installed grub to the partition not the MBR
[17:54] <PatrickC> is there an online tutorial for that?
[17:54] <philinux> PatrickC: if I installed again I'd just pt grub on mbr
[17:55] <PatrickC> what's the difference?
[17:56] <gnomefreak> was a name selected for +1 yet?
[17:57] <Pici> Nope
[17:57] <Pici> Getting late too.
[17:57] <gnomefreak> Quail is about the only animal with a Q at least that i know of
[17:58] <gnomefreak> assuming we are sticking in order
[17:59] <jtrucks> Quagga
[17:59] <jtrucks> Quahog
[17:59] <BluesKaj> Quakking Quagga ?
[17:59] <jtrucks> ooooh
[17:59] <jtrucks> :)
[17:59] <jtrucks> I like that one.
[17:59] <jtrucks> or Quiet Quail.
[18:00] <__r00t__> Hi
[18:00] <__r00t__> Just went 10.04 -> 12.04 and have lots of lovely problems to fix :)
[18:00] <gnomefreak> looks like a mix between a shorse and zebra
[18:00] <jtrucks> __r00t__: workstation? server?
[18:00] <jtrucks> gnomefreak: yes, basically. extint iirc
[18:00] <philinux> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A12.10
[18:01] <gnomefreak> __r00t__: you need to upgrade in order dont skip releases or you will get problems
[18:01] <gnomefreak> philinux: thanks
[18:01] <__r00t__> Actually looking at the history of the machine it was 8.04 -> 10.04.02 (server) -> now
[18:01] <philinux> gnomefreak: LTS to LTS is supported
[18:01] <jtrucks> gnomefreak: 10.04 -> 12.04 is in order. LTS -> LTS
[18:01] <jdhfr> can someone explain what 'partial upgrade' does?
[18:01] <gnomefreak> philinux: it is but 10.10 was not lts\
[18:01] <bazhang> jtrucks, not til release afaict
[18:01]  * __r00t__ agrees with jtrucks 
[18:02] <__r00t__> bazhang: true but o_O
[18:02] <philinux> jdhfr: It can bork your system
[18:02] <jtrucks> bazhang: it did work though (for me) :)
[18:03] <philinux> jdhfr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859240
[18:03] <__r00t__> well all is not lost .... the upgrade was 'technically' successful
[18:04] <gnomefreak> __r00t__: did you disable proposed repo before upgrading?
[18:05] <__r00t__> gnomefreak: proposed from lucid ?
[18:05] <gnomefreak> __r00t__: yes
[18:05] <__r00t__> gnomefreak: ouch ! Yes I know that is where my problems reside.
[18:06] <gnomefreak> __r00t__: libnux is broken in proposed repo in 10.04 and removes ubuntu-desktop and Unity
[18:06] <gnomefreak> libnux 2.10.*
[18:06] <__r00t__> gnomefreak: I've got more pressing issues than that :)
[18:07] <gnomefreak> not having unity is not a major issue for you? what DE are you using?
[18:07]  * jtrucks doesn't have unity.
[18:07] <jtrucks> :P
[18:07] <jtrucks> or gnome.
[18:07] <jtrucks> :)
[18:08] <__r00t__> gnomefreak: no need for a DE :)
[18:08] <jtrucks> same here.
[18:08] <__r00t__> I've got udev looping and I bet linux-firmware shafted me too
[18:08]  * gnomefreak doesnt only use gnome either :) i like a few Des
[18:09] <jtrucks> I don't have X installed at all. headless server
[18:09] <gnomefreak> finish these 2 cds than call it for the day, brb smoke
[18:09] <__r00t__> anyone else had problems with udev ?
[18:10] <__r00t__> gnomefreak: give up the weed.... vape instead bud
[18:10] <jtrucks> I didn't have any issues, but I was on a fairly clearn 10.04 install on a VPS, did dist-upgrade, and everything is good.
[18:12] <__r00t__> jtrucks: I went from 10.04 that need 200+ updates straight to 12.04...... I didn't feel the need to update first LOL
[18:13] <jdhfr> I don't belive that article
[18:13] <jdhfr> update manager proposes partial upgrade for several days
[18:14] <philinux> jdhfr: Use synaptic or terminal.
[18:14] <philinux> jdhfr: your system your choice
[18:15] <__r00t__> philinux: terminal for me
[18:15] <philinux> __r00t__: Same here during developemt.
[18:15] <philinux> __r00t__: since I usually update via a chroot
[18:15] <jtrucks> __r00t__: doh. you should have done updates first :P
[18:16] <__r00t__> well I'm a hero... I'm going to save this m***** f****** !
[18:16]  * __r00t__ hopes LOL
[18:17] <jdhfr> why default applications are in "Information" applet?
[18:17] <jdhfr> "Information" is for information, not for changing anything
[18:18] <gnomefreak> jdhfr: proposes partial upgrade is most likely due to libnux problem
[18:19] <__r00t__> is there any documentation on the libnux issue ?
[18:19] <gnomefreak> __r00t__: not sure but i found it
[18:19] <gnomefreak> topic tells you to disable proposed repo
[18:19] <georgelappies> hi all, hope everyone is well. Is there a way to reinstall system packages and tell them to replace any current config files with the defaults ?
[18:19]  * gnomefreak should really fix the topic
[18:20] <jdhfr> how "proposed" repository is called?
[18:21] <jdhfr> is it "updates not included in official release" or "updates which officially not supported"?
[18:22] <Debro> how i can find command for web browser..?
[18:22] <__r00t__> when was the issue with precise-proposed noticed ?
[18:22] <Debro> like chromium of firefox..?
[18:22] <Debro> or firefox*
[18:23] <gnomefreak> there long but fixed
[18:23] <jdhfr> how proposed repository is called in Software Sources?
[18:24] <gnomefreak> jdhfr: not sure i stay away form software center every chance i get. you can just comment the repo out in sources.list file
[18:25] <Debro> gnomefreak, do i need to do that..?
[18:25] <gnomefreak> Debro: if proposed is enabled doing an upgrade will result in removing unity and ubuntu-desktop
[18:26] <Debro> but i alredy have Precise
[18:26] <gnomefreak> that goes for local updates as well as dist upgrades (apt-get dist-upgrade and from dist to dist)
[18:27] <Debro> gnomefreak, ty where i can disable proposed repos..?
[18:27] <gnomefreak> Debro: run apt-cache policy libnux-2.0-0  tell me installed and canidate versions
[18:28] <gnomefreak> Debro: in synaptic software center or sources.list file. i only use the latter so i dont know where you filnd them in the 2 former apps
[18:28] <gnomefreak> update-manager can do it too
[18:28] <Debro> gnomefreak, both the same.. 2.10.0-0ubuntu1
[18:29] <gnomefreak> DrManhattan: run same command on unity
[18:29] <DrManhattan> ?
[18:29] <gnomefreak> DrManhattan: sorry not you
[18:29] <gnomefreak> Debro: run same command on unity
[18:30] <Debro> gnomefreak, how you mean that..? i did it with unity installed
[18:31] <gnomefreak> Debro: run apt-cache policy unity
[18:32] <Debro> gnomefreak, Installed: 5.10.0-0ubuntu3;   Candidate: 5.10.0-0ubuntu4
[18:33] <gnomefreak> Debro: upgrade
[18:33] <gnomefreak> maybe the packaged was fixed since last night
[18:33] <Debro> i need do restart
[18:33] <gnomefreak> package
[18:33] <gnomefreak> Debro: you can upgrade first
[18:33] <gnomefreak> this is not windows
[18:34] <Debro> ok :)
[18:34] <Debro> gnomefreak, do you now command for firefox or chromium..?
[18:34] <jdhfr> i turned off all updates except security ones, and still have 427 updates/partial upgrade proposal
[18:34] <gnomefreak> Debro: what?
[18:35] <gnomefreak> jdhfr: libnux may have been fixed so it maybe a different issue for you
[18:35] <Debro> gnomefreak, i want how to find way to launch programm from terminal..
[18:36] <gnomefreak> Debro: ok for firefox type firefox or you can run firefox www.blehbleh.bleh
[18:36] <gnomefreak> not all apps allow that but most do
[18:36] <jdhfr> why konqueror browser is not detected as browser in gnome?
[18:37] <gnomefreak> jdhfr: what do you mean?
[18:37] <Debro> gnomefreak, chromium dont allow that
[18:37] <jdhfr> it has no entry in web-browser application selector, only bloatfox stub is there
[18:37] <gnomefreak> Debro: chromium-browser
[18:38] <Debro> and firefox show what profile is missing or unaccessible
[18:38] <gnomefreak> jdhfr: not sure than if you open dash and use the search does it show up right than?
[18:38] <jdhfr> obviously yes
[18:39] <gnomefreak> jdhfr: i thought you meant you used the top right options you didnt say you used serarch
[18:40] <jdhfr> all urls are opened with stub, I meant default apps selector
[18:40] <gnomefreak> Debro: you can also choose the profile you want to use but i dont recall the command options for it. see man page or --help
[18:42] <Debro> gnomefreak, it allows me to open firefox with sudo..
[18:43] <micahg> Debro: don't open firefox with sudo
[18:43] <jdhfr> i like that ubuntu doesn't regenerate initramfs 3-4 times during app installation now :)
[18:43] <Debro> micahg, ok, so how to fix firefox profiles
[18:44] <Debro> micahg, firefox show what profile is missing or unaccessible
[18:44] <jdhfr> -profilemanager, I believe
[18:44] <philinux> Anyone noticed on a clean install the startup Apps has nothing in it. Even login sound has gone
[18:44] <Debro> jdhfr, do i need run firefox -profilemanager
[18:44] <jdhfr> yes
[18:45] <Debro> with sudo?
[18:45] <micahg> using sudo with firefox will break it in bad ways
[18:45] <FernandoMiguel> and kill kittens
[18:45] <Debro> this is what i get in terminal "Error: Access was denied while trying to open files in your profile directory.
[18:45] <Debro> "
[18:45] <micahg> well, not necessarily bad, just kill kittens as FernandoMiguel said :)
[18:46] <micahg> Debro: sudo chown -R YOUR_USER:YOUR_USER ~/.mozilla you need to substitute YOUR_USER
[18:47] <jdhfr> or just $USER
[18:49] <Debro> micahg, jdhfr, ty works everthing now.. ;)
[18:55] <jdhfr> i don't like that update manager doesn't group updates by severity
[18:56] <holstein> jdhfr: probably gets into a matter of opinion at some point
[18:57] <Debro> is it posable to make unity faster..?
[19:00] <jdhfr> no. it's glued together with compiz junk
[19:07] <lostogre> in precise, ubuntu-notifier-common stalls when trying to download adobe-flashplugin. What is the fix?
[19:07] <jtaylor> there seems to be no progress output anymore
[19:07] <jtaylor> its possible still loading
[19:07] <jtaylor> confused me too
[19:07] <lostogre> k. I'll wireshark it.
[19:09] <philinux> lostogre: I did that update today and it went fine.
[19:10] <lostogre> philinux, thx. I'll try it again.
[19:10] <philinux> lostogre: maybe use terminal and update and upgrade
[19:10] <lostogre> did that. I'll try it again.
[19:10] <BluesKaj> lostogre, avoid the flashplugin , best to just download it from the adobe site ,and extract the taeball in ~/ then copy the libflashplayer.so to usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[19:12] <jtaylor> BluesKaj: thats a bad idea, unless you regulary check for updates manualy
[19:15] <jdhfr> what should I do to have window previews in the switcher?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, I haven't had to change my method so far..flash still works fine...adobe doesn't change their linux flash players often
[19:15] <jtaylor> yes they do
[19:15] <jtaylor> thats why you have a new update today
[19:16] <jtaylor> ~once per month I guess
[19:18] <BluesKaj> well. i haven't changed mine ...just watched a BBC news story..all woked fine
[19:19] <BluesKaj> the plugin came down yesterday , btw
[19:19] <BluesKaj> BBL ..gotta do some errands
[19:20] <jtaylor> yeah ... it are security updates so you won't notice much breaking until its to late
[19:23] <jdhfr> what should I do to have window previews in the switcher?
[19:24] <jbicha> jdhfr: you can press the down arrow while you're in alt-tab
[19:25] <jdhfr> that's inconvenient
[19:28] <jbicha> jdhfr: Super+W then?
[19:29] <trism> jdhfr: alt+` has window previews
[19:30] <jdhfr> alt` looks broken here as it doesn't cycle windows
[19:30] <trism> jdhfr: it also seems like waiting a second pops up the previews with alt+tab in unity
[19:30] <jdhfr> trism: it doesn't
[19:31] <trism> jdhfr: no, alt+` only cycles between windows of the same app. and hmm, it is doing it for my terminals
[19:32] <trism> jdhfr: seems to only show previews if you have more than one instance of an app
[20:38] <jrr> I dealt with this before, but can't seem to find the answer - how to disable the dual-display mouse "bump"?
[20:43] <jrr> found it! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/947950
[20:50] <BarkingFish> Evening all. Anyone able to check something please?  If you have KDE, can you confirm that you're getting a sound from it at startup?  I get all my system notifications, network manager, etc, making all the right noises, but no startup sound, despite it being set.
[20:51] <BarkingFish> I'm using KDE 4.8.2 via the beta, all updates applied
[21:05] <lostogre> philinux, either it is stalled or it is taking a VERY LONG TIME. Unlikely since I am on a T1.
[21:22] <alteregoa> someone smells me if kernel 3.4 is working with nvidia default gfx drivers from bulbul, or do i have to compile them by symelf?
[21:36] <__r00t__> omg that was painful
[21:36] <bastidrazor> running as root probably does cause issues
[21:36]  * __r00t__ is also in group -1 :p
[21:37] <__r00t__> so I've 'sort of fixed' my 10.04->12.04 upgrade
[21:38] <__r00t__> rm -rf /etc/udev && /etc/network/interfaces have patched me into a bootable working 'ish' machine
[21:38] <__r00t__> my only problem is working out what to do with my RAID0 array as it's not recognised
[21:39] <__r00t__> I'm getting a ton of these :/ md: sdg1 does not have a valid v0.90 superblock, not importing!
[21:40] <__r00t__> does anyone have any suggestions ?
[21:54] <ulrichard> Since I upgraded to ubuntu 12.04, Ican no longer build packages where cmake is called from debian/rules with an avr-gcc corsscompiling toolchain.
[21:54] <ulrichard> The message I get is : The C compiler "/usr/bin/avr-gcc" is not able to compile a simple test program.
[21:55] <lostogre> in precise, ubuntu-notifier-common stalls when trying to download adobe-flashplugin. What is the fix?
[21:55] <lostogre> :q
[21:56] <__r00t__> seems like the fix is to :q! precise
[21:57] <lostogre> not really an option.
[22:00] <blami> lostogre: downloading plugin tar.gz and extracting it into your favorite browser's plugins directory will solve the problem
[22:00] <lostogre> blami, with that make it skip downloading it using apt?
[22:01] <blami> lostogre: yep, it will override distro-way of installing software completely
[22:01] <lostogre> k, i'll try it. thanks.
[22:01] <blami> lostogre: i do it that way for everything non-free/3rdparty keeping such stuff in /opt
[22:04] <lostogre> blami, understandable.
[22:13] <__r00t__> precise bust my RAID array :s
[22:23] <FernandoMiguel> I Can't Believe This is Butter! A tour of btrfs. - Avi Miller
[22:23] <FernandoMiguel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxWuaozpe2I
[22:28] <FernandoMiguel> I always called it BetterFS :S
[22:32] <cc11rocks> Is a release candidate planned for today or the 19th?
[22:35] <bekks> Neither nor. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[22:36] <cc11rocks> Okay thanks. I heard that a RC was supposedly being put back up for today or the 19th
[22:36] <cc11rocks> I DO know it was removed...Just heard recent rumors
[22:38] <cwillu> ...by popular request.
[22:42] <cc11rocks> Could any of you explain to me why Ubuntu 12.04 (image from 4/17/12) contains an alpha stage piece of software? << http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu << xy : 5.1.1alpha
[22:47] <Daekdroom> cc11rocks, it's possible it was synced from Debian unstable.
[22:48] <Daekdroom> Or done on purpose in order to obtain a feature.
[22:48] <cc11rocks> Okay thanks
[22:48] <cwillu> also, it's xz, not xy :p
[22:48] <Pici> the same version is also in wheezy and sid.
[22:48] <cc11rocks> Any easy documentation on this specific include/change?
[22:49] <FernandoMiguel> wb cwillu
[22:49] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[22:49] <cwillu> !info btrfs-tools
[22:51] <Pici> cc11rocks: this might be helpful: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xz-utils/+changelog
[22:51] <cc11rocks> Thanks :)
[23:10] <cc11rocks> !info unity
[23:10] <cc11rocks> Haha, it works
[23:11] <cc11rocks> Thank you guys for answering my questions...Looking forward to Ubuntu 12.04 (going on mine, my mother's, and a friends computer - who is using GNU/Linux for the first time) soon...Currently using LM12...Can't wait!
[23:13] <FernandoMiguel> nity nite
[23:39] <__r00t__> thanks for the help guys